[00:05] xixor: I think ~/.local/share/applications/default.xml may help [00:07] I don't have that file [00:07] nor a /usr/share/applications/default.xml file [00:08] if apt-get install k3b gives you a list of files it shouldn't before downloading, what could be wrong? [00:08] dbc254: could you reask that question? [00:10] trying to get k3b. apt-get install k3b basically tried to turn kubuntu into ubuntu(gnome) and I had to start all over [00:12] dbc254: So installing k3b asked you to install ubuntu-desktop ? [00:13] xixor: do you have the ~./local/share/applications directory? [00:14] What's starting all over involve? [00:14] dasKreech: yes, I have that, and a /usr/share/applications directory. I have a ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list, and a /usr/share/applications/defaults.list files [00:15] xixor: what;s in the mimeapps.list for inode? [00:15] dbc254: what is starting over? [00:16] dasKreech: inode/directory=dolphin.desktop [00:17] and you have a dolphin.desktop in your path? [00:18] I'm not sure, I have a dolphin.desktop file, I don't think it's in the path [00:18] dbc254: can you try apt-get install k3b again and pastebin the list of files it's asking to install? [00:18] !pastebin [00:18] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:18] xixor: That could be an issue then [00:18] dasKreech: I have a /usr/share/applications/kde4/dolphin.desktop file, but /usr/share/applications isn't in the PATH [00:25] xixor: Umm ok not sure if that's to the spec :) [00:25] xixor: what happens if you type xdg-open ~ [00:26] dbc254: are you ok? can you do the pastebin? [00:26] still trying to get k3b. pastebin?? [00:26] dasKreech: It opens the directory in the web browser chrome, and says this on the console: No applications found for mimetype: inode/directory [00:27] !pastebin | dbc254 [00:27] dbc254: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:27] dbc254: Did you click yes for the install again? [00:27] Cancel it if you did [00:29] just apt-get install k3b and it will give you a list of files to install copy that list and go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste it there [00:29] It will give you a new URL paste the URL in this chan [00:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000034/ [00:35] Wow one million posts [00:35] apachelogger: ping [00:35] hai? [00:35] apachelogger: any explanation for the above pastebin ? [00:36] It's pulling in nearly all the ubuntu-desktop deps [00:36] no [00:36] what series though? [00:38] dbc254: I presume this is 12.04 ? [00:41] apachelogger: It's precise [00:41] when all I did was apt-get install k3b from my kubuntu 12.04 machine [00:41] yes 12.04 kubuntu [00:42] on a branny new 120gb SSD no less [00:42] dbc254: can you install pastebinit ? we may want some more information [00:42] say no to the k3b install and sudo apt-get install pastebint [00:42] doing now [00:43] It shoudln't require much to install at all so if you get a huge list let us know [00:43] sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b [00:44] that should show the dep resolving [00:44] no file called pastebint [00:44] ah [00:44] dbc254: sudo apt-get install pastebinit [00:44] My fault sorry [00:44] then run the command apachelogger asked for and put | pastebinit at the end [00:45] apachelogger: I was going to check the policy on the package. I'm looking at p.u.c and it doesn't show anything like that [00:45] what policy? [00:45] apt-cache policy k3b [00:46] policies are local priority raiting, they have no impact on resolution other than choosing which version from which source is preferred [00:47] Right. I was just wondering if taht was being pulled from some other source. [00:47] |typed all that in, but nothing happened [00:47] dbc254: did you get pastebint installed? [00:47] pastebinit [00:47] bleah [00:48] yeah, but then that k3b package would have to depend on everything ubuntu-desktop depends on :) [00:48] actually even more [00:48] abiword [00:48] apachelogger: I know It's bizarre [00:49] dbc254: sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b | pastebinit [00:49] but it's truly happening. Everything's working. Just want k3b to install work and I'm 100% [00:49] oh [00:49] actually [00:49] dbc254: that should return a URL I tihnk [00:49] iff the local dependency chain is broken output like that might be occuring [00:50] Wait actually it probably won't will it? the query would prevent the pastebin [00:50] bah [00:50] /msg dasKreech typing that in give me the response that I'm trying to send and empty document [00:50] just run sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b and when it asks if you are sure copy and paste to pastebin [00:50] typing that in give me the response that I'm trying to send and empty document [00:50] just tell it no ^^ [00:51] dbc254: Yeah I just figured it out. Take out the | pastebinit at the end [00:51] It's going to break the command [00:52] why? [00:52] just prepend "N" | [00:52] "N" | sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b | pastebinit [00:52] that line asked me if I wanted to install the 3.2gb of stuff again. I said NO WAY [00:52] Ah that would work as well [00:53] dbc254: right :) [00:53] (that only works if you used sudo before of course ... otherwise the N will be used for the password query :)) [00:53] dbc254: try apachelogger's way [00:53] I think that's safe to assume at this poitn [00:53] point [00:54] yeah, just mentioning it for the fun :P [00:55] I didn't have to say NO, it assumed it and put me back at a command prompt [00:55] what gives?? [00:55] dbc254: the "N" is the same as you typing in no to the terminal [00:56] So you jsut told it no before you started the command [00:56] ah! [00:56] Neat huh? [00:56] behold the power of the shell ^^ [00:56] hahaha [00:56] but the command did not work [00:56] correct [00:56] needs some changes [00:56] still trying to give me Gnome [00:57] echo "N" | sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b 2>&1 | pastebinit [00:57] even a noob like me knew 3.2gb of stuff was wrong [00:57] that should give you a paste url I can look at [00:57] dbc254: Hooray for noob knowledge ^_^ [00:57] e.g. I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000052/ for eclipse [00:57] 1 million pastebins [00:57] wow [00:58] only 500 of those are accidental pastes of my password :P [00:58] Everyone knows your password already stopping pimping it [00:59] true [00:59] that locked up the shell window [00:59] Oo [01:00] hit Ctrl and C [01:00] then try again [01:00] I was using ctrl z [01:00] dbc254: almost the same [01:00] actually not [01:01] Right till you run out of memory [01:01] yah ^^ [01:01] z only puts the task in the background [01:01] Ctrl+C cancels the job [01:01] so that you can continue to use the shell [01:01] Ctrl+Z puts it away for later but it's still there [01:01] You can type jobs and see how many are still running [01:01] I even downloaded the .deb of k3b. But couldn't install it [01:02] Everytime you press ctrl+Z that list grows by one [01:02] which actually fails in case of apt-get because the now suspended job is still holding the lock on the database ;) [01:02] dbc254: type fg [01:02] then ctrl c [01:02] rinse and repeat until it says there are no more jobs [01:02] out of curisity [01:02] then try the command again [01:02] type jobs | pastebinit [01:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000065/ [01:03] fg=foreground? [01:03] dbc254: correct [01:04] hmmmmm [01:04] no more jobs [01:05] all the power is in the shell it seems [01:05] dbc254: if you would like when this is done I can show you some more of that and how to use it [01:05] MarkInstall libgnome2-common [ amd64 ] < none -> 2.32.1-2ubuntu1 > ( libs ) FU=0 [01:05] MarkInstall desktop-base [ amd64 ] < none -> 6.0.7ubuntu1 > ( universe/x11 ) FU=0 [01:05] MarkInstall gnome [ amd64 ] < none -> 1:3.0+6ubuntu3 > ( universe/gnome ) FU=0 [01:05] apachelogger: is that from mivxmaker ? [01:05] movixmaker [01:06] dbc254: apt-cache show desktop-base | grep -E "Depends|Recommends" | pastebinit [01:06] yes [01:07] each indention marks a level of dependency [01:07] mivxmaker is a first level dependency of k3b, libgnome3-perl is a first level dep of mivxmaker etc. etc. [01:08] apachelogger: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/k3b [01:08] why is it trying to give me stuff I don't need? I only have a 120gb drive here [01:08] I forget we can depend on universe now [01:08] dasKreech: it is a recommends [01:08] apachelogger: I saw [01:08] which due to the apt policy is treated like a depends [01:09] dbc254: apt-cache show desktop-base | grep -E "Depends|Recommends" | pastebinit [01:09] also [01:09] apt-cache policy desktop-base | pastebinit [01:12] also [01:12] sudo grep -r Install /etc/apt | pastebinit [01:13] then I should be able to tell you why ;) [01:13] seems like a --no-recommends would be helpful [01:14] nah [01:14] >>> apt-cache show desktop-base | grep -E "Depends|Recommends|Suggests" [01:14] Depends: librsvg2-common [01:14] Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2) [01:14] Suggests: gnome | kde-standard | xfce4 | wmaker [01:15] so either desktop-base is coming from an untrusted and broken source or suggests are being installed by default [01:15] The severity is depends recommends suggests right ? [01:16] aye [01:16] ok just making sure I wasn't dim [01:16] dasKreech: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps [01:17] what they mean in particular [01:17] also explains why Depends are not optional and Recommends while optional still are installed by default ^^ [01:18] Yeah I remember that arguement [01:18] I just cannot recall ever having used movixmaker [01:18] probably used for the encoding/decoding features [01:19] But then I suppose that would be for burning DVD movies which I rarely ever do [01:19] and I'd probably be using KDenlive [01:22] dbc254: apt-cache policy desktop-base | pastebinit [01:22] dbc254: sudo grep -r Install /etc/apt | pastebinit [01:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000077/ [01:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000078/ [01:25] /etc/apt/apt.conf:APT::Install-Suggests "true"; [01:25] there you have your problem [01:25] That's the issue [01:25] huh? [01:25] dbc254: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf | pastebinit [01:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000080/ [01:27] dbc254: something suggests that Gnome might be a good idea and so it installs it since that's what is set as policy [01:27] dbc254: debian packages have 3 ways of defining a relationship with another package ... depends, recommends and suggests ... we only install the former 2 by default, but you configured apt to also install the third [01:27] which in turn leads to the excessive dependency resolution [01:27] but I wouldn't know how to even do that. [01:27] I didn't dood it, I swear! [01:27] I recommend you run `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf` and make a note not to do anything with suggests and apt anymore :) [01:27] dbc254: :-) That's fine lets just get it to not do that [01:28] dbc254: you have picked that up on some website [01:28] for some reason a few people choose to advertise installing suggests by default, which is really quite silly [01:29] bastages! where's my shootin iron [01:29] you can read the debian url I posted 10 minutes ago if you care to read why it does in fact not make much sense :) [01:32] k3b is missing something that won't let me burn grepiofs?? [01:32] sudo apt-get purge k3b && sudo apt-get install k3b [01:33] but we didn't turn off that pesky thing you guys said I have [01:34] have we? [01:34] I recommend you run `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf` and make a note not to do anything with suggests and apt anymore :) [01:34] that command removes the config file thus reverting the installation policy to default, fixing the issue [01:35] I just dood it [01:35] now trying to apt-get k3b [01:35] first purge though :P [01:35] otherwise it won't do anything ^^ [01:38] sudo apt-get purge k3b && sudo apt-get install k3b [01:39] It woiks!! [01:39] of course it does :P [01:39] \o/ [01:39] took a bit of figurin by you guys, but VOILA! [01:39] I need to remember that dependency tree [01:40] \list [01:40] Guess I can uninstall NERO [01:40] Only good till 6/13/12 anyway. I prefer k3b [01:40] du_: msg alis [01:40] dunno how that setting got changed. . . [01:40] I know fo SHO it wasn't by me [01:41] may want to remove it fomr your backup as well [01:41] wi [01:41] I'll be making a NEW backup right quick! [01:41] du_: hi [01:42] wi man [01:42] thanks again guys. [01:44] hey daskreech [01:44] wi [01:44] i new [01:45] i am brazilian [01:46] du_: Great :) [01:46] Want helpe here or in a brazillian channel? [01:46] !br [01:46] Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. [01:50] Strange there isn't a #kubuntu-br [02:08] Hi [02:08] someone who can help me gettin qmc2(mame frontend) working (precise pangolin)? === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [02:18] RanmaruHibikiya: Give me a moment [02:19] k [02:24] RanmaruHibikiya: Ok what's happening? [02:25] I'm trying to install qmc2 and mame from the habitual repos [02:25] the habitual repos? [02:26] from this repositories: http://sdlmame.wallyweek.org/repository/ and http://qmc2.arcadehits.net/wordpress/download/ [02:26] the first one is for mame, the second one for qmc2 [02:26] Right. use the second link [02:27] Ok [02:27] but, qmc2 doesn't open proppertly [02:28] What happens when you try to open it? [02:28] just shows a "white" window [02:29] when in old versions runs fine [02:29] have you tried to run it from the command line? [02:29] sure [02:29] but doesn't show any message [02:29] hmm ok [02:30] I gues sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade is silent ? [02:31] right now is upgrading [02:31] Ah ok [02:31] but nothing related with I think [02:32] Sure but might as well update [02:32] Could be a driver issue [02:33] ok, wait to the upgrade to finish and reboot [02:34] Sure === luka is now known as Guest63664 === thiago is now known as Guest53637 === Guest53637 is now known as xth1 === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === ubuntu is now known as Guest60526 [05:28] hay alguien [05:29] just installing trinity === carlos is now known as Guest82460 === psharmor is now known as tekoholic === tekoholic is now known as psharmor === psharmor is now known as tekoholic [06:46] hi [06:51] i have a rather strange problem ... i want to remotely shutdown a kde program on a computer but I only have ssh accress to it [06:51] i want it to "soft" shutdown, not just kill it (that would be easy with ssh) [06:52] is there some way to tell the kde application (kile) to shut down without killing it? [06:54] asdf0: you are looking for SIGTERM, which is the default of what `kill` does. just a kill pid will send a proper command [06:57] but then kile wont do its cleanup routine (delete temporary files n stuff), right? and in case there happens to be an unsaved file still open it will terminate and lose the change? [06:57] asdf0: you can also use `killall` with the process' name, rather than it's PID. so, `killall kile` would find the `kile` application, and hand it a SIGTERM [06:58] asdf0: ahhh, kile is an editor, correct? you will not be able to save open work, or force it to save open work, no. the application will simply do the OS level cleanup stuff (child processes and such), and exit. [06:59] nah i want it to do the application level cleanup stuff (the editor runs cleaning routines for temp files n stuff) on a soft shutdown [06:59] thats why i dont want to kill it ;) [06:59] asdf0: well... you can ssh in, right? is kile running on the screen? [06:59] i basically want it to do whatever it would do when i hit the close button on the application itself [06:59] uhm how do i do that ;) ? [07:00] never used ssh for anything but console ;) [07:00] asdf0: what I'm asking is: you havve the box sitting there, 300 miles away (or whatever), you can ssh into it, and kile is up on it's desktop, correct? [07:01] yes [07:01] asdf0: you are golden, my friend :) [07:01] asdf0: you're on another *nix box, correct? (something running X11) right? [07:02] yes [07:02] i can x forward into the active kile session? [07:03] asdf0: totally golden. gimme a moment to suss it all out, I have done this before, but it's been a long long time. basically, you spawn vlc on the desktop of the running session, then using ssh -X, you launch the vlc client on your own screen. bam, instan desktop viewing :D [07:05] asdf0: testing... :) [07:08] asdf0: log out of your ssh session. then, `ssh user@server`. Once in, `export DISPLAY=:0` you are now running apps on that screen. launch the vlc server, and just vlc in (or, spawn vlc client over the ssh... whatever) :) [07:09] asdf0: aargh, sorry, for your log back in, it should be `ssh -X user@server`, sorry [07:09] asdf0: ye christ, i'm tired. it's not vlc, VNC goddamnit lol [07:11] how exactly do i vnc in ;) ? [07:11] !vnc [07:11] VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX [07:11] ah tyvm [07:11] asdf0: ubottu is a wonderful little helper :D [07:12] asdf0: I believe the package in *ubuntu 12.04 is vnc4server? something like that. [07:12] !info vnc4server [07:12] vnc4server (source: vnc4): Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.1+xorg4.3.0-37ubuntu4 (precise), package size 2038 kB, installed size 5268 kB [07:12] aye :D [07:13] asdf0: alright, I need to sleep, apparently. I just missed commands, and recommended using a streaming media player as a remote desktop application. it's obvious I need sleep lmao [07:13] asdf0: at least you now know how to remote-spawn vnc, and use it, to get onto a machine already running :) [07:15] gn8 and ty [07:38] hello === justin__ is now known as hydro === AD is now known as Guest74859 === AD is now known as Guest56894 [08:47] What is up with ./files? I know .files are hidden, but what are ./files? [08:47] What is up with ./files? I know .files are hidden, but what are ./files? [08:48] What is up with ./files? I know .files are hidden, but what are ./files? [08:48] DFrostedWang: Let me check it out. [08:49] ok [08:49] DFrostedWang: I assume you are in the home dir? [08:49] Anywhere [08:49] DFrostedWang: In my home dir there is no files folder. [08:50] I didn't mean it literally [08:50] DFrostedWang: Sorry, I think I understood the question wrong. [08:50] i eant anything with a ./ in front [08:50] meant* [08:51] DFrostedWang: Ah it just means the current dir. For example if you are in /home and then typing ./something what you are actually saying is /home/something === DFrostedWang is now known as ICWeiner [08:53] What? [08:53] Not with a / in front. A ./ in front. Not a directory, a file. [08:53] Well, not always. [08:55] ICWeiner: / is absolute ./ is relative. [08:55] Meaning? [08:56] Give an example, please. === carlos is now known as Guest25161 [08:56] ICWeiner: /home is allways /home. ./home is relative to where you are now. For example when you are in /home, ./home is actually /home/home. But if you are in /usr, ./home will become /usr/home [08:58] ICWeiner: Do you understand? [08:58] So if I type ./Documents in /home/[myname]/ it would be in /home/[myname]/Documents? [08:58] ICWeiner: You are getting it. [08:59] So .[file] is nothing like ./[file]? [08:59] ICWeiner: To see where you currently are you can type pwd, btw [08:59] i know that, you pointed it out last time [09:00] ICWeiner: Nope, . is a file/folder with name . ./ is a file/folder in the current dir with name [09:00] ok, neat [09:00] ICWeiner: Linux is quite nice for lazy guys :P [09:00] lol. [09:01] I like it, too. [09:01] :P [09:01] If you have a series of commands you do a few times daily why not automate it? In Linux you can :) [09:02] ikr [09:02] Speaking of automation, do you know any neat chatbots? [09:02] ICWeiner: ikr? Euhmm no. [09:03] ikr means i know, right? [09:03] Ah I see, thx [09:03] yw === ICWeiner is now known as DFrostedWang [09:13] I think you told me wrong. [09:13] DFrostedWang: What do you mean? [09:13] root@logankemp-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC:/home/logankemp# ./Downloads [09:13] -bash: ./Downloads: Is a directory [09:13] bash usually does files [09:14] Right? [09:14] so ./ is for files [09:14] DFrostedWang: Bash is for everything. [09:14] oh [09:14] DFrostedWang: Everything you can do in a gui you can do in bash. [09:14] So bash just means terminal? [09:15] DFrostedWang: ./ is relative where without the . infront it becomes an absolute path. [09:15] Ok then. [09:15] What are kio slaves? [09:15] DFrostedWang: Yes, it stands for Bourne Again Shell. [09:15] DFrostedWang: No idea, you should ask dasKreech, He talked about it yesterday. [09:16] Oh... [09:16] ok [09:16] Is there a channel about stuff like this? [09:16] kioslaves are interfaces (or libraries, or ...) for various systems [09:16] A more active channel? [09:17] DFrostedWang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIO [09:17] thx [09:18] Is there a channel about stuff like this? [09:18] A more active channel? [09:28] Hi. I have a question about IRC. How to register in IRC channel. What commands I should use? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:28] Go to irc website [09:29] I want to join to #geany [09:29] jeggett: Usually /join # works [09:29] ok [09:38] lordievader: that doesn't register the channel [09:39] Ah I see, my bad. [09:41] registering goes like this: http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ [11:19] Hiyas all [11:23] hi [11:23] gys [11:23] Hey cancer [11:23] lordievader: hi, what's up [11:24] lordievader: i finally got a good sleep yesterday. :) [11:24] cancer: That is good to hear, I am doing fine, thank you or asking. [11:26] i'm sorry about last night, i didn't returned. one reason is said. anyway, what the reason for reinstalling yours Kubuntu [11:29] cancer: Is kind of offtopic, so please join me/us on #kubuntu-offtopic === frega_ is now known as frega [12:04] #kubuntu-offtopics [12:05] :O === AD is now known as Guest38084 === 18WAA0PRQ is now known as ICWeiner [12:27] I need help with quintuple boot [12:46] hi [12:46]