| jimerickson | i have found that the work around proposed for bug #971091 works for bug #994368 | 01:20 |
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| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 971091 in linux-ti-omap4 "Pandaboard ES freezes with the default CPU scaling governor ondemand" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971091 | 01:20 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 994368 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4 kernel panics on pandaboard ES" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994368 | 01:20 |
| === trelane` is now known as trelane | ||
| djszapi | ogra_: is 12.04 ubuntu arm reliable on the pandaboard ? | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | why would we release an unreliable product ? :) | 12:08 |
| djszapi | happened in the past few times... | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | what makes you think this | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | all of the ubuntu archive is built on pandas ... running an ubuntu image as the ones we release | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | if that would be unstable we would surely notice | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | and all ubuntu devs use the recent images for development as well .... | 12:10 |
| djszapi | sorry for that opinion, but that is based on technically broken experiences. | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | what was broken ? | 12:11 |
| LetoTheII | ogra_: seems you've run out of them, so here's one: ><)))'> | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | lol | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | now i know why we invented MaaS specifically to please LetoTheII | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | :) | 12:12 |
| LetoTheII | ogra_: must be a typo, its usually called a maß. | 12:12 |
| djszapi | ogra_: where can I find an ubuntu arm build ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM | 12:12 |
| ogra_ | LetoTheII, MaaS ... -> Metal as a Service | 12:12 |
| ogra_ | ;) | 12:12 |
| LetoTheII | ogra_: ah that one ;) | 12:12 |
| ogra_ | djszapi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP | 12:13 |
| djszapi | ogra_: for making sure: this one, right ? 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD | 12:15 |
| LetoTheII | ogra_: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116342914382999178679/116342914382999178679/posts/P2FSSisAeo5 | 12:15 |
| djszapi | hmm, nope... | 12:15 |
| ogra_ | djszapi, after you soldered the additional registers ontp your panda SoC, yes :P | 12:15 |
| ogra_ | *onto | 12:15 |
| djszapi | perhaps Preinstalled desktop image | 12:15 |
| djszapi | ogra_: sorry ?? | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | well, amd64 wont run on 32 bit arm :) | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | LetoTheII, LOL | 12:16 |
| djszapi | Texas Instruments OMAP4 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image -> Perhaps, this is what I need. | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | right | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | or the server version, depends how and what you want to install | 12:17 |
| djszapi | just a business specific daemon | 12:18 |
| djszapi | that is run from an upstart job after the boot. | 12:18 |
| djszapi | nothing else, really. | 12:18 |
| djszapi | daemon listens to the serial port. | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | then take the server install | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | smaller footprint .... unless you actually need a desktop | 12:19 |
| ogra_ | note though that the server install completely runs on the serial console, you need a serial cable | 12:19 |
| djszapi | then it is a big no go | 12:19 |
| djszapi | I occasionally need to have an access through the ethernet | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | during the install ? | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | why ? | 12:20 |
| djszapi | I do not need install at all | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 12:20 |
| djszapi | I mentioned "preinstalled" stuff above | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | that still runs the installer | 12:20 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | how else would you get a proper setup of the system | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | you need a user, timezone, kbd, language etc configured | 12:21 |
| djszapi | obviously default could work | 12:21 |
| djszapi | and no, that is not install, but mostly setup | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | well, however you want to call it, it is set up by the installer | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | which runs on the serial console | 12:22 |
| djszapi | why would be installer on a preinstalled image ? Sounds very scary. | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | preinstalled just means you have a preinstalled rootfs | 12:22 |
| djszapi | setup manager, ok, but installer on a preinstalled stuff makes no sense | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | it is completely unconfigured without the installer bits being run | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | well, the app doing the configuration is called debian-installer/ubiquity ... | 12:23 |
| djszapi | well I definitely do not wanna have installer on my system | 12:23 |
| djszapi | so I need an image which does not /not/ ship that. | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | its exactly the same as every other ubuntu installer, it just doesnt partition anything nor does copy any packages | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | you *need* the installer | 12:24 |
| djszapi | then it is broken by design (TM) | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | else you end up with a brokenly configured system | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | no | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | that *is* the desigbn | 12:24 |
| djszapi | I need a configuration or setup manager, but I do not know why I would need an installer on a preinstalled system | 12:25 |
| djszapi | that is a brain damaged idea. | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | a system needs a certain amount of configuration to run properlay | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | that configuartion is part of debian-installer in all debian and ubuntu systems | 12:25 |
| djszapi | configuration != install | 12:26 |
| ogra_ | configuration is *part* of the installation | 12:26 |
| djszapi | that is a broken design IMO | 12:26 |
| djszapi | I can configure my system *anytime* after installing that | 12:26 |
| ogra_ | and it would be braindead to not use the existing, tested and proven tools for it | 12:26 |
| djszapi | without having an installer. | 12:26 |
| djszapi | that would be as brain dead as much it is to hard wire into the installer without *clear* separation | 12:27 |
| ogra_ | how are you sure you configurede it right without reading tons of source code to see you have all the necessary bits enabled in your manual config ? | 12:27 |
| ogra_ | every bit in the installer chnages and gets adjusted to the new requirements of a new release | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | so how do you know what to configure and how if you dont look at the source of the tools doing that initial setup | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | (or by using the tools in an initial setup app that makes use of teh instzaller bits in question) | 12:29 |
| ogra_ | all preinstalled images always used the installer to do this initial setup ... and there is no sane way around this if you want a properly configured install in the end | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | the only difference to a normal install is that the unconfigured rootfs is preinstalled instead of being copied in place by the installer | 12:31 |
| ogra_ | thus the name | 12:31 |
| djszapi | I dislike this design, sorry. | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | well, its the only possible design | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | eevrything else would be nonsense | 12:32 |
| djszapi | no, it is of course not | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | ? | 12:32 |
| djszapi | the configuration manager should be a totally separate project from the installer | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | why ? | 12:32 |
| djszapi | and ofc the "live install stuff" could use that. | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | it does | 12:33 |
| djszapi | so could anything else. | 12:33 |
| ogra_ | 90% of the installer is the configuration part | 12:33 |
| ogra_ | 10% are partitioning and copying | 12:33 |
| djszapi | so ?? | 12:33 |
| ogra_ | peinstalled images just omit the partitioning and copying ... | 12:33 |
| djszapi | say, an application frontend is 10% | 12:33 |
| djszapi | and the library is 90% | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | would you pay a fulltime person to maintain a separate config tool ? | 12:34 |
| djszapi | you are essentially saying they should not be decoupled. | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | just *because* ? | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | instead of just making use of the existing, proven and well maintained configuration tool that exists since 15 years ? | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | why would they need to be decoupled ? | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | you can omit the parts you dont need | 12:35 |
| djszapi | ok, you lost me | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | they dont eat any space and dotn do any harm | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | anyway, since you dont like the design, you will be pleased to hear that we drop preinstalled images this cycle | 12:38 |
| djszapi | not sure what that means... | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | that there wont be any preinstalled images anymore for Q | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | you will have to d a full install like on x86/amd64/powerpc | 12:41 |
| djszapi | I would need to do the install over serial console anyway | 12:42 |
| djszapi | I am just not sure the server edition is good fit | 12:42 |
| djszapi | Ubuntu was not meant for server purposes | 12:42 |
| djszapi | and is not used widely like other specialized server distributions | 12:42 |
| djszapi | so I would trust the quality of the desktop version MUCH more even if I do not need UI | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | WHAT ?!? | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | *cloud | 12:43 |
| djszapi | I am not sure what to take this comment for...perhaps biasment. | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | and the difference between the preinstalled server and desktop images is simply the omission of xorg and ubuntu-desktop on server | 12:44 |
| djszapi | well, the desktop edition should fit for 4 GB Kingston usb pendrive I guess... | 12:45 |
| djszapi | or even for 4 GB Kingston SD card... | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | right, server will fit into 2G ... and even less if you remove the included repo | 12:45 |
| djszapi | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ -> this is a mess | 12:46 |
| djszapi | very hard to find which usb iso I need in few seconds | 12:46 |
| djszapi | I do have 4 GB stuff, so should not be a biggy anyway... | 12:46 |
| * ogra_ thinks he has fed the troll enough for today | 12:47 | |
| djszapi | there is no other way than grabbing the preinstalled images anyway... | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | you can use a netboot install image | 12:49 |
| djszapi | meh | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | but anyway... i'll go and do some actual work | 12:49 |
| djszapi | have fun | 12:54 |
| ogra_ | more than being ranted at for sure :P | 12:54 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 12:55 |
| djszapi | I told my sincere opinion about the modularization issue, that is all. | 12:55 |
| djszapi | you do not need to think the same. | 12:55 |
| djszapi | things like "ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world" would not just make me laugh btw =] | 12:56 |
| djszapi | Booting the image... Open a terminal on your host system and launch a serial console monitor with the port set for 115200,n,8,1 | 13:07 |
| djszapi | Screen: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 | 13:07 |
| djszapi | this does not work for me. | 13:07 |
| djszapi | I see no relevant things inside the screen session, really. | 13:08 |
| ogra_ | works fine here, is your serial device actually ttyUSB0 ? | 13:09 |
| ogra_ | (check dmesg) | 13:09 |
| djszapi | yep | 13:10 |
| djszapi | I am getting a root console | 13:11 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/484262/ -> and even this behind minicom... | 13:13 |
| djszapi | I can only configure this stuff over gui ? :( | 13:13 |
| ogra_ | is that the server image ? | 13:14 |
| djszapi | no | 13:14 |
| ogra_ | well, then get a monitor, mouse and kbd, the desktop installer is fully graphical | 13:14 |
| djszapi | meh | 13:15 |
| djszapi | thing is, I need qt core anyway which depends on X anyway | 13:15 |
| ogra_ | thats why i told you to get the server image in the beginniong | 13:15 |
| ogra_ | well, then just use a monitor and input devices | 13:15 |
| djszapi | this is a shame ubuntu-arm desktop cannot be configured over serial console. | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | thats a design decision | 13:16 |
| av500 | a bad one | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | well, it makes sure your monitor and input devices work before even bothering to run the installation | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | and we provide -server for eaxactly that gap | 13:17 |
| djszapi | ogra_: makes no sense | 13:18 |
| djszapi | qt core depends on X. | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | djszapi, why do you use ubuntu at all if all you can do is rant ? | 13:18 |
| djszapi | and you can run a daemon fired up without using keyboard or mouse | 13:18 |
| djszapi | or whatever | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | go and use angstrom, or linaro, there are fine images for it on the panda | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | or debian | 13:19 |
| LetoTheII | ogra_: but thats not so shiny hf. | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | debian is :) | 13:19 |
| LetoTheII | oh cool, lets go on ranting there then! | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | they dont have a desktop image that uses mouse and monitor ! | 13:20 |
| djszapi | ogra_: I do not really understand why your turn my opinion into "ranting". | 13:20 |
| djszapi | I cannot say what I honestly think about certain things ? | 13:20 |
| djszapi | you* | 13:20 |
| ogra_ | djszapi, because i have to defned all my work all day since you showed up here | 13:20 |
| djszapi | that does not translate here. | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | its getting tiring to be told that everything me and my team worked on for the last three years is crap, bad design or that i'm telling lies | 13:21 |
| av500 | defend | 13:21 |
| av500 | ogra_: and usually its me telling you this! :)( | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | av500, yeah, but your rants i'm used to, thats different :P | 13:22 |
| djszapi | ogra_: do you seriously think we discussed all the things ? | 13:22 |
| djszapi | you worked on the last three years ? | 13:22 |
| djszapi | no modularization, yes bad design, many people think that including me | 13:22 |
| av500 | obviously he does not work much... | 13:22 |
| djszapi | not having serial port setup opportunity is bad design as well | 13:22 |
| av500 | how could he, spending all the time on irc | 13:22 |
| LetoTheII | *plop* prost. | 13:22 |
| djszapi | many people would think t hat way including me. | 13:22 |
| av500 | having to handle people like you... | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | djszapi, you have no clue what yuo are ranting about either it seems, debian-installer is fully modular (else we wouldnt be able to only use the configuration bits of it) | 13:23 |
| djszapi | *you* told that it is hard wired to the installer | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | i just said preinstalled uses the installer and omits the bits it doesnt need for maintenance reasons | 13:24 |
| LetoTheII | my crystal-spice-ball thinks he wants a fancy tool to automagically create the ubuntu thing he'd like. like some schimaera of narcissus, live-build and some me(n)tal brain interface. | 13:25 |
| djszapi | ogra_: yes, it is: I need A, but add A+B because I do not have time to maintain. | 13:26 |
| djszapi | even that, it does not make B necessary for me. | 13:26 |
| ogra_ | LetoTheII, no, he just doesnt listen after asking what image he should take and then rants if the image he cose against good advice doesnt do what he wants | 13:26 |
| ogra_ | *chose | 13:26 |
| djszapi | that is another borked idea | 13:26 |
| LetoTheII | ogra_: oh come on, you are not actually telling me that my crystal ball is lying to me? | 13:27 |
| djszapi | to not be able to *configure* a preinstall desktop image over serial console. | 13:27 |
| djszapi | preinstalled* | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | djszapi, i told you how | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | but then you accused me of lying which somehwat killed my enthusiasm of wanting to help you | 13:28 |
| djszapi | I think you take my opinion too personal. | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | well, its my work you are constantly citicizing and there are very good reasons for every single decision you called wrong | 13:29 |
| djszapi | yes, *you* like that way. | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | no | 13:31 |
| djszapi | ok, you do not like that way :D | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | i just implemented what was discussed at lenght at several UDSes with the community, vendors and other devs | 13:31 |
| djszapi | so if I think differently I am not part of the community ? | 13:32 |
| djszapi | I am sure there are people thinking that in the "community" it is suboptimal this way. | 13:32 |
| djszapi | so you perhaps agreed upon with part of the community. | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | up to you ... UDS is open for everyone to participate in each single session | 13:33 |
| djszapi | nobody sponsores my expensive flight tickets, so I cannot, sorry. | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 13:34 |
| ogra_ | there is no neede to attend in person to participate, we have 1000s of users participating remotely | 13:34 |
| ogra_ | anyway, everything you ranted about will be gone with quantal | 13:35 |
| djszapi | if you think my opinion is "ranting", what can I do :D | 13:35 |
| av500 | rant less | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | :) | 13:36 |
| djszapi | av500: well you apparently agreed upon the "bad one" | 13:36 |
| djszapi | with me. | 13:36 |
| djszapi | so I do not understand why you changed your mind in a second :) | 13:36 |
| djszapi | ogra_: good advice for the future: do not take opinions that hard :) | 13:39 |
| dash | howdy. does the oneiric installer image have accounts enabled for console login? | 14:07 |
| dash | i would like to interrupt the installer and fiddle with things myself | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | no, there are no accounts until the installer did its job of creating them | 14:08 |
| dash | Guess I'll wait. | 14:08 |
| dash | oh well :) | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | what exacrtly are you trying to do ? | 14:08 |
| dash | ogra_: i have an existing ubuntu installation on an external drive | 14:09 |
| dash | my boot media got screwed up | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | ah | 14:09 |
| dash | so i booted the installer and now I want to get back to my old install without waiting another hour :) | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | so your rootfs is on different media ? | 14:10 |
| dash | yes | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | you can take the installer, edit boot.scr on teh first partition and add break=premount to the kernel cmdline | 14:10 |
| dash | yeah that would require a machine i could do that from, heh... | 14:11 |
| ogra_ | then mount your rootfs, chroot into it, adjust /boot/boot.script and run flash-kernel | 14:11 |
| dash | we'll see | 14:11 |
| dash | ogra_: right | 14:11 |
| ogra_ | the latter will update the vfat on the SD card | 14:11 |
| ogra_ | with kernel, initrd and boot.scr from /boot of your rootfs | 14:11 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/484298/ -> is this output normal in minicom while configuring ? | 14:12 |
| djszapi | funky that, how many countries are missing in there. | 14:12 |
| djszapi | Finland, UK, Hungary, what not... | 14:13 |
| jackh | hey, all, is there any ubuntu support A8 CPU, like samsung s5pc110? | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | jackh, can you be more specific ? ubuntu has images for omap3, omap4, freescale mx5, the toshiba ac100 netbook and a bunch of arm server architectures | 14:15 |
| jackh | ogra_: its the samsung A8, s5pc110 | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | not sure, it might be that #linaro has images for that | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu definitely doesnt | 14:17 |
| jackh | ogra_: linaro supports some A9 systems | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | and a8 too | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | not sure the s5pc110 is among them though | 14:19 |
| jackh | ogra_: you sure? i will go to check | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | yeah, ask in #linaro | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | i'm sure ubuntu and linaro both support everything thats ARMv7 | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | which inclused cortex-a8 and -a9 | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | *includes | 14:21 |
| jackh | ogra_: if i want to build a ubuntu from scratch, how to? | 14:22 |
| djszapi | any ideas why I am getting the one fourth size of the fullscreen in minicom for controlling my pandaboard with this ubuntu image ? | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | jackh, define "built from scratch" you mean assembling your own image from ubuntu binaries from the archive ? or do you mean "build completely from source" | 14:23 |
| jackh | ogra_: hmm...i think i need to do the collecting images of binaries first, then i will thinking of builing from source | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | give up on the latter ... | 14:25 |
| ogra_ | thats a huge task and you need a lot of infrastructure | 14:25 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu is a binary distro, its not designed to be rolled from source like i.e. gentoo or angstrom | 14:26 |
| djszapi | well, certain parts can be built from source | 14:26 |
| djszapi | sometimes, there is not even another solution around, if something is not packaged. | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | for the image stuff you can start from ubuntu-core, note though that there is nothing configured in this tarball | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | you should know exaxctly what you are doing if you want to use it | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | (it is designed essentially as a base for IVI images) | 14:27 |
| jackh | ogra_: what's IVI means? | 14:28 |
| djszapi | jackh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-vehicle_infotainment | 14:29 |
| jackh | ogra_: is there a wiki to show me how to build a customized distro? | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | in vehicle infotainment | 14:29 |
| jackh | ogra_: thx! | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | they usually use very special rootfses that dont have a user etc | 14:29 |
| djszapi | jackh: what do you need to customize ? | 14:30 |
| jackh | djszapi, ogra_, what comes to me is if i want to get a distro for s5pc110, then 90% of the images are the same with other A8 systems | 14:31 |
| av500 | yes | 14:31 |
| jackh | djszapi: ogra_, the only different is graffics and maybe some other perfics | 14:31 |
| djszapi | yes, but cannot you just install the relevant packages and load the relevant modules ? | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | jackh, well, its usually bootloader and kernel thats different, yes | 14:32 |
| djszapi | I mean, why do you need a customized distribution for that ? | 14:32 |
| jackh | djszapi: the customized here is just means the graffic and some perfics, not mean the software modules | 14:34 |
| djszapi | right. | 14:34 |
| djszapi | I would check out the site of the custom periferia vendor. | 14:35 |
| jackh | djszapi: could you share me the link? | 14:35 |
| djszapi | that is what I also did with my toughbook, and I were able the touchscreen and digitizer drivers in there almost properly. | 14:35 |
| djszapi | I do not know what periferia you are interested in, but just type the stuff to google :) | 14:36 |
| jackh | djszapi: ok... | 14:36 |
| djszapi | (if it is not supported out of the box) | 14:36 |
| jackh | djszapi: someone did a 9.0.4 distro for this cpu | 14:37 |
| jackh | djszapi: now i want some 11.10 for it | 14:37 |
| djszapi | I see. | 14:38 |
| djszapi | I would base the customized image on the top of the ubuntu image. | 14:39 |
| jackh | djszapi: so which cpu are you working on now? | 14:39 |
| djszapi | that is what I also do with my product. | 14:39 |
| djszapi | I use pandaboard at the moment. | 14:39 |
| djszapi | that is using A9 cortex. | 14:40 |
| jackh | djszapi: you lucky, panda is just supported by linaro | 14:42 |
| djszapi | I do not use the linary support. | 14:43 |
| jackh | djszapi: why?? | 14:43 |
| djszapi | I like sticking with vanilla things as much as possible. | 14:43 |
| jackh | djszapi: vanilla? seems like some version name? | 14:44 |
| djszapi | I mean upstream without modification | 14:44 |
| av500 | jackh: vanilla as in the most basic ice cream flavor | 14:45 |
| jackh | av500: ya, it tastes just wonderful | 14:45 |
| jackh | djszapi: so i guess what you do is: first get the upstream ubuntu distro of omap4, then do some driver and udev modification? | 14:47 |
| djszapi | jackh: I just install qt core and then my daemon | 14:47 |
| djszapi | as for the toughbook, I have had a patch against the wacom driver to get the touch and digitizer work, and then I add my UI application in there. | 14:47 |
| jackh | djszapi: got it | 14:48 |
| djszapi | and then I make a dd for the sdcard into a custom img | 14:48 |
| djszapi | and then I can replicate that to any sdcard, and I have a backup | 14:48 |
| jackh | djszapi: seems like some product level stuff | 14:49 |
| djszapi | yep | 14:50 |
| djszapi | ogra_: do you have any ideas for this packaging issue ? http://paste.kde.org/484334/ | 15:02 |
| djszapi | trying to package the project on the pandaboard itself. | 15:03 |
| djszapi | ogra_: the control file is simply this: http://paste.kde.org/484340/ | 15:03 |
| ogra_ | you miss a comma in your build deps | 15:04 |
| djszapi | oh I am blind, thanks :D | 15:04 |
| djszapi | ogra_: it hands always here, but not sure why :o | 15:16 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/484352/ | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | find out why that space is missing on the last two lines | 15:17 |
| djszapi | what space ? | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | -O--parallel misses a space | 15:18 |
| djszapi | I use the stock debhelper from ubuntu 12.04 | 15:19 |
| djszapi | it seems to be a bug then in the tool. My rules file is quite simple and do not touch those. | 15:21 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/484364/ | 15:21 |
| * ogra_ would try dropping the --parallel | 15:22 | |
| djszapi | I have just tried that | 15:23 |
| djszapi | but it is still hanging there | 15:23 |
| djszapi | so probably missing space is a no issue | 15:23 |
| djszapi | so I was initially getting this: http://paste.kde.org/484376/ | 15:24 |
| djszapi | perhaps it is because of the timezone | 15:25 |
| djszapi | I was not able to select Helsinki during the server configuration. | 15:25 |
| djszapi | simply, there was no such an item. | 15:25 |
| djszapi | set to Helsinki with /etc/timezone | 15:26 |
| djszapi | how can I set this to human readable ? date | 15:26 |
| djszapi | ג' מאי 22 19:56:19 AFT 2012 | 15:26 |
| djszapi | I mean to ascii :) | 15:26 |
| highvoltage | that's better :) | 16:45 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: seen one of these yet? http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/ | 16:45 |
| prpplague | wow thats like the 10th post about that in 20 minutes | 16:45 |
| prpplague | or this http://olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | highvoltage, oh my, another ARM11 | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | nothing for ubuntu | 16:46 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: ah | 16:48 |
| * highvoltage gets horribly confused with the arm versions | 16:48 | |
| highvoltage | I need to read the wikipedia page on arm versions every few weeks to refresh :) | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | see topic ;) | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | thats why we have it there | 16:48 |
| * prpplague throws old arm boards at ogra_ like ninja throwing stars | 16:50 | |
| * ogra_ ducks behind a boxed ubuntu | 16:50 | |
| prpplague | ogra_: gave up on getting ubuntu running on that toshiba satelite, had to return it | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | oh | 16:51 |
| prpplague | ogra_: gotta find another laptop this weekend though :( | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | sad | 16:51 |
| prpplague | ogra_: yea apparently there is some serious bios issues that make it totally unusable for linux | 16:51 |
| * prpplague has to troll the support channels to find a good laptop for ubuntu | 16:51 | |
| ogra_ | https://friendly.ubuntu.com/ | 16:51 |
| prpplague | ogra_: dandy! | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | there is also an older laptop project page somewhere on the ubuntu wiki | 16:52 |
| prpplague | ogra_: hehe i still have my panda netbook, i ment to give it away ages ago | 16:55 |
| prpplague | ogra_: my daughter has been using it | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:56 |
| * ogra_ still works on a stack of ac100 netbooks | 16:56 | |
| * prpplague needs to build another | 16:56 | |
| prpplague | i guess i could build one with the pixel qi display | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 16:56 |
| av500 | ogra_: wasnt friendly being canned? | 16:57 |
| av500 | prpplague: get a thinkpad | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | av500, i dont think so, but i'm not sure | 16:57 |
| prpplague | av500: i'll have a look at the prices | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | there were some discussions at UDS but i cant attend all sessions :) | 16:57 |
| prpplague | av500: i need something cheap, as it will be dedicated for a specific use | 16:57 |
| av500 | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTI | 16:58 |
| av500 | inb4: yes, moronix :) | 16:58 |
| * highvoltage is kind of eyeing the new thinkpad X1 | 16:59 | |
| prpplague | ogra_: well i would suspect the number of visitors is low because people didn't know about it | 17:00 |
| prpplague | i certainly didn't | 17:00 |
| highvoltage | (it even contains an arm core along with the intel ones: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Hybrid/ ) | 17:00 |
| highvoltage | (and it looks pretty sweet too: http://www.engadget.com/photos/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon/#5020648 ) | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | av500, aha, yeah, seems they look for community people to take over | 17:01 |
| av500 | community will fix it :) | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | prpplague, yeah, well, the lead dev did some blogposts when they started but it wasnt really made popular | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | and she (being teh biggest driver) had to move to another team | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | i dont think they actively want to tear it down though | 17:03 |
| * ogra_ wrote the initial version of checkbox 7 years ago btw ... when i haded it over to someone else we threw away 7 mio datasets it had collected | 17:04 | |
| ogra_ | we would be far beyond smolt if we had actually had a backend for these huge masses of data we didnt expect | 17:05 |
| jimerickson | how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4? | 23:32 |
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