[01:20] <jimerickson> i have found that the work around proposed for bug #971091 works for bug #994368
[01:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971091 in linux-ti-omap4 "Pandaboard ES freezes with the default CPU scaling governor ondemand" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971091
[01:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994368 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4 kernel panics on pandaboard ES" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994368
[12:08] <djszapi> ogra_: is 12.04 ubuntu arm reliable on the pandaboard ?
[12:08] <ogra_> why would we release an unreliable product ? :)
[12:08] <djszapi> happened in the past few times...
[12:08] <ogra_> ??
[12:09] <ogra_> what makes you think this
[12:09] <ogra_> all of the ubuntu archive is built on pandas ... running an ubuntu image as the ones we release
[12:09] <ogra_> if that would be unstable we would surely notice
[12:10] <ogra_> and all ubuntu devs use the recent images for development as well ....
[12:11] <djszapi> sorry for that opinion, but that is based on technically broken experiences.
[12:11] <ogra_> what was broken ?
[12:11] <LetoTheII> ogra_: seems you've run out of them, so here's one: ><)))'>
[12:11] <ogra_> lol
[12:11] <ogra_> now i know why we invented MaaS specifically to please LetoTheII
[12:12] <ogra_> :)
[12:12] <LetoTheII> ogra_: must be a typo, its usually called a maß.
[12:12] <djszapi> ogra_: where can I find an ubuntu arm build ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[12:12] <ogra_> LetoTheII, MaaS ... -> Metal as a Service
[12:12] <ogra_> ;)
[12:12] <LetoTheII> ogra_: ah that one ;)
[12:13] <ogra_> djszapi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[12:15] <djszapi> ogra_: for making sure: this one, right ? 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD
[12:15] <LetoTheII> ogra_: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116342914382999178679/116342914382999178679/posts/P2FSSisAeo5
[12:15] <djszapi> hmm, nope...
[12:15] <ogra_> djszapi, after you soldered the additional registers ontp your panda SoC, yes :P
[12:15] <ogra_> *onto
[12:15] <djszapi> perhaps Preinstalled desktop image
[12:16] <djszapi> ogra_: sorry ??
[12:16] <ogra_> well, amd64 wont run on 32 bit arm :)
[12:16] <ogra_> LetoTheII, LOL
[12:16] <djszapi> Texas Instruments OMAP4 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image -> Perhaps, this is what I need.
[12:17] <ogra_> right
[12:17] <ogra_> or the server version, depends how and what you want to install
[12:18] <djszapi> just a business specific daemon
[12:18] <djszapi> that is run from an upstart job after the boot.
[12:18] <djszapi> nothing else, really.
[12:18] <djszapi> daemon listens to the serial port.
[12:18] <ogra_> then take the server install
[12:19] <ogra_> smaller footprint .... unless you actually need a desktop
[12:19] <ogra_> note though that the server install completely runs on the serial console, you need a serial cable
[12:19] <djszapi> then it is a big no go
[12:20] <djszapi> I occasionally need to have an access through the ethernet
[12:20] <ogra_> during the install ?
[12:20] <ogra_> why ?
[12:20] <djszapi> I do not need install at all
[12:20] <ogra_> ??
[12:20] <djszapi> I mentioned "preinstalled" stuff above
[12:20] <ogra_> that still runs the installer
[12:21] <djszapi> huh ?
[12:21] <ogra_> how else would you get a proper setup of the system
[12:21] <ogra_> you need a user, timezone, kbd, language etc configured
[12:21] <djszapi> obviously default could work
[12:21] <djszapi> and no, that is not install, but mostly setup
[12:22] <ogra_> well, however you want to call it, it is set up by the installer
[12:22] <ogra_> which runs on the serial console
[12:22] <djszapi> why would be installer on a preinstalled image ? Sounds very scary.
[12:22] <ogra_> preinstalled just means you have a preinstalled rootfs
[12:22] <djszapi> setup manager, ok, but installer on a preinstalled stuff makes no sense
[12:22] <ogra_> it is completely unconfigured without the installer bits being run
[12:23] <ogra_> well, the app doing the configuration is called debian-installer/ubiquity ...
[12:23] <djszapi> well I definitely do not wanna have installer on my system
[12:24] <djszapi> so I need an image which does not /not/ ship that.
[12:24] <ogra_> its exactly the same as every other ubuntu installer, it just doesnt partition anything nor does copy any packages
[12:24] <ogra_> you *need* the installer
[12:24] <djszapi> then it is broken by design (TM)
[12:24] <ogra_> else you end up with a brokenly configured system
[12:24] <ogra_> no
[12:24] <ogra_> that *is* the desigbn
[12:25] <djszapi> I need a configuration or setup manager, but I do not know why I would need an installer on a preinstalled system
[12:25] <djszapi> that is a brain damaged idea.
[12:25] <ogra_> a system needs a certain amount of configuration to run properlay
[12:25] <ogra_> that configuartion is part of debian-installer in all debian and ubuntu systems
[12:26] <djszapi> configuration != install
[12:26] <ogra_> configuration is *part* of the installation
[12:26] <djszapi> that is a broken design IMO
[12:26] <djszapi> I can configure my system *anytime* after installing that
[12:26] <ogra_> and it would be braindead to not use the existing, tested and proven tools for it
[12:26] <djszapi> without having an installer.
[12:27] <djszapi> that would be as brain dead as much it is to hard wire into the installer without *clear* separation
[12:27] <ogra_> how are you sure you configurede it right without reading tons of source code to see you have all the necessary bits enabled in your manual config ?
[12:28] <ogra_> every bit in the installer chnages and gets adjusted to the new requirements of a new release
[12:28] <ogra_> so how do you know what to configure and how if you dont look at the source of the tools doing that initial setup
[12:29] <ogra_> (or by using the tools in an initial setup app that makes use of teh instzaller bits in question)
[12:30] <ogra_> all preinstalled images always used the installer to do this initial setup ... and there is no sane way around this if you want a properly configured install in the end
[12:31] <ogra_> the only difference to a normal install is that the unconfigured rootfs is preinstalled instead of being copied in place by the installer
[12:31] <ogra_> thus the name
[12:32] <djszapi> I dislike this design, sorry.
[12:32] <ogra_> well, its the only possible design
[12:32] <ogra_> eevrything else would be nonsense
[12:32] <djszapi> no, it is of course not
[12:32] <ogra_> ?
[12:32] <djszapi> the configuration manager should be a totally separate project from the installer
[12:32] <ogra_> why ?
[12:32] <djszapi> and ofc the "live install stuff" could use that.
[12:33] <ogra_> it does
[12:33] <djszapi> so could anything else.
[12:33] <ogra_> 90% of the installer is the configuration part
[12:33] <ogra_> 10% are partitioning and copying
[12:33] <djszapi> so ??
[12:33] <ogra_> peinstalled images just omit the partitioning and copying ...
[12:33] <djszapi> say, an application frontend is 10%
[12:34] <djszapi> and the library is 90%
[12:34] <ogra_> would you pay a fulltime person to maintain a separate config tool ?
[12:34] <djszapi> you are essentially saying they should not be decoupled.
[12:34] <ogra_> just *because* ?
[12:34] <ogra_> instead of just making use of the existing, proven and well maintained configuration tool that exists since 15 years ?
[12:35] <ogra_> why would they need to be decoupled ?
[12:35] <ogra_> you can omit the parts you dont need
[12:35] <djszapi> ok, you lost me
[12:35] <ogra_> they dont eat any space and dotn do any harm
[12:38] <ogra_> anyway, since you dont like the design, you will be pleased to hear that we drop preinstalled images this cycle
[12:40] <djszapi> not sure what that means...
[12:40] <ogra_> that there wont be any preinstalled images anymore for Q
[12:41] <ogra_> you will have to d a full install like on x86/amd64/powerpc
[12:42] <djszapi> I would need to do the install over serial console anyway
[12:42] <djszapi> I am just not sure the server edition is good fit
[12:42] <djszapi> Ubuntu was not meant for server purposes
[12:42] <djszapi> and is not used widely like other specialized server distributions
[12:43] <djszapi> so I would trust the quality of the desktop version MUCH more even if I do not need UI
[12:43] <ogra_> WHAT ?!?
[12:43] <ogra_> ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world
[12:43] <ogra_> *cloud
[12:44] <djszapi> I am not sure what to take this comment for...perhaps biasment.
[12:44] <ogra_> and the difference between the preinstalled server and desktop images is simply the omission of xorg and ubuntu-desktop on server
[12:45] <djszapi> well, the desktop edition should fit for 4 GB Kingston usb pendrive I guess...
[12:45] <djszapi> or even for 4 GB Kingston SD card...
[12:45] <ogra_> right, server will fit into 2G ... and even less if you remove the included repo
[12:46] <djszapi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ -> this is a mess
[12:46] <djszapi> very hard to find which usb iso I need in few seconds
[12:46] <djszapi> I do have 4 GB stuff, so should not be a biggy anyway...
[12:47]  * ogra_ thinks he has fed the troll enough for today
[12:48] <djszapi> there is no other way than grabbing the preinstalled images anyway...
[12:49] <ogra_> you can use a netboot install image
[12:49] <djszapi> meh
[12:49] <ogra_> but anyway... i'll go and do some actual work
[12:54] <djszapi> have fun
[12:54] <ogra_> more than being ranted at for sure :P
[12:55] <djszapi> huh ?
[12:55] <djszapi> I told my sincere opinion about the modularization issue, that is all.
[12:55] <djszapi> you do not need to think the same.
[12:56] <djszapi> things like "ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world" would not just make me laugh btw =]
[13:07] <djszapi> Booting the image... Open a terminal on your host system and launch a serial console monitor with the port set for 115200,n,8,1
[13:07] <djszapi> Screen: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
[13:07] <djszapi> this does not work for me.
[13:08] <djszapi> I see no relevant things inside the screen session, really.
[13:09] <ogra_> works fine here, is your serial device actually ttyUSB0 ?
[13:09] <ogra_> (check dmesg)
[13:10] <djszapi> yep
[13:11] <djszapi> I am getting a root console
[13:13] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484262/ -> and even this behind minicom...
[13:13] <djszapi> I can only configure this stuff over gui ? :(
[13:14] <ogra_> is that the server image ?
[13:14] <djszapi> no
[13:14] <ogra_> well, then get a monitor, mouse and kbd, the desktop installer is fully graphical
[13:15] <djszapi> meh
[13:15] <djszapi> thing is, I need qt core anyway which depends on X anyway
[13:15] <ogra_> thats why i told you to get the server image in the beginniong
[13:15] <ogra_> well, then just use a monitor and input devices
[13:16] <djszapi> this is a shame ubuntu-arm desktop cannot be configured over serial console.
[13:16] <ogra_> thats a design decision
[13:16] <av500> a bad one
[13:17] <ogra_> well, it makes sure your monitor and input devices work before even bothering to run the installation
[13:17] <ogra_> and we provide -server for eaxactly that gap
[13:18] <djszapi> ogra_: makes no sense
[13:18] <djszapi> qt core depends on X.
[13:18] <ogra_> djszapi, why do you use ubuntu at all if all you can do is rant ?
[13:18] <djszapi> and you can run a daemon fired up without using keyboard or mouse
[13:18] <djszapi> or whatever
[13:19] <ogra_> go and use angstrom, or linaro, there are fine images for it on the panda
[13:19] <ogra_> or debian
[13:19] <LetoTheII> ogra_: but thats not so shiny hf.
[13:19] <ogra_> debian is :)
[13:19] <LetoTheII> oh cool, lets go on ranting there then!
[13:20] <ogra_> they dont have a desktop image that uses mouse and monitor !
[13:20] <djszapi> ogra_: I do not really understand why your turn my opinion into "ranting".
[13:20] <djszapi> I cannot say what I honestly think about certain things ?
[13:20] <djszapi> you*
[13:20] <ogra_> djszapi, because i have to defned all my work all day since you showed up here
[13:21] <djszapi> that does not translate here.
[13:21] <ogra_> its getting tiring to be told that everything me and my team worked on for the last three years is crap, bad design or that i'm telling lies
[13:21] <av500> defend
[13:21] <av500> ogra_: and usually its me telling you this! :)(
[13:22] <ogra_> av500, yeah, but your rants i'm used to, thats different :P
[13:22] <djszapi> ogra_: do you seriously think we discussed all the things ?
[13:22] <djszapi> you worked on the last three years ?
[13:22] <djszapi> no modularization, yes bad design, many people think that including me
[13:22] <av500> obviously he does not work much...
[13:22] <djszapi> not having serial port setup opportunity is bad design as well
[13:22] <av500> how could he, spending all the time on irc
[13:22] <LetoTheII> *plop* prost.
[13:22] <djszapi> many people would think t hat way including me.
[13:23] <av500> having to handle people like you...
[13:23] <ogra_> djszapi, you have no clue what yuo are ranting about either it seems, debian-installer is fully modular (else we wouldnt be able to only use the configuration bits of it)
[13:24] <djszapi> *you* told that it is hard wired to the installer
[13:24] <ogra_> i just said preinstalled uses the installer and omits the bits it doesnt need for maintenance reasons
[13:25] <LetoTheII> my crystal-spice-ball thinks he wants a fancy tool to automagically create the ubuntu thing he'd like. like some schimaera of narcissus, live-build and some me(n)tal brain interface.
[13:26] <djszapi> ogra_: yes, it is: I need A, but add A+B because I do not have time to maintain.
[13:26] <djszapi> even that, it does not make B necessary for me.
[13:26] <ogra_> LetoTheII, no, he just doesnt listen after asking what image he should take and then rants if the image he cose against good advice doesnt do what he wants
[13:26] <ogra_> *chose
[13:26] <djszapi> that is another borked idea
[13:27] <LetoTheII> ogra_: oh come on, you are not actually telling me that my crystal ball is lying to me?
[13:27] <djszapi> to not be able to *configure* a preinstall desktop image over serial console.
[13:27] <djszapi> preinstalled*
[13:27] <ogra_> djszapi, i told you how
[13:28] <ogra_> but then you accused me of lying which somehwat killed my enthusiasm of wanting to help you
[13:28] <djszapi> I think you take my opinion too personal.
[13:29] <ogra_> well, its my work you are constantly citicizing and there are very good reasons for every single decision you called wrong
[13:30] <djszapi> yes, *you* like that way.
[13:31] <ogra_> no
[13:31] <djszapi> ok, you do not like that way :D
[13:31] <ogra_> i just implemented what was discussed at lenght at several UDSes with the community, vendors and other devs
[13:32] <djszapi> so if I think differently I am not part of the community ?
[13:32] <djszapi> I am sure there are people thinking that in the "community" it is suboptimal this way.
[13:32] <djszapi> so you perhaps agreed upon with part of the community.
[13:33] <ogra_> up to you ... UDS is open for everyone to participate in each single session
[13:33] <djszapi> nobody sponsores my expensive flight tickets, so I cannot, sorry.
[13:34] <ogra_> ??
[13:34] <ogra_> there is no neede to attend in person to participate, we have 1000s of users participating remotely
[13:35] <ogra_> anyway, everything you ranted about will be gone with quantal
[13:35] <djszapi> if you think my opinion is "ranting", what can I do :D
[13:36] <av500> rant less
[13:36] <ogra_> :)
[13:36] <djszapi> av500: well you apparently agreed upon the "bad one"
[13:36] <djszapi> with me.
[13:36] <djszapi> so I do not understand why you changed your mind in a second :)
[13:39] <djszapi> ogra_: good advice for the future: do not take opinions that hard :)
[14:07] <dash> howdy. does the oneiric installer image have accounts enabled for console login?
[14:08] <dash> i would like to interrupt the installer and fiddle with things myself
[14:08] <ogra_> no, there are no accounts until the installer did its job of creating them
[14:08] <dash> Guess I'll wait.
[14:08] <dash> oh well :)
[14:08] <ogra_> what exacrtly are you trying to do ?
[14:09] <dash> ogra_: i have an existing ubuntu installation on an external drive
[14:09] <dash> my boot media got screwed up
[14:09] <ogra_> ah
[14:09] <dash> so i booted the installer and now I want to get back to my old install without waiting another hour :)
[14:10] <ogra_> so your rootfs is on different media ?
[14:10] <dash> yes
[14:10] <ogra_> you can take the installer, edit boot.scr on teh first partition and add break=premount to the kernel cmdline
[14:11] <dash> yeah that would require a machine i could do that from, heh...
[14:11] <ogra_> then mount your rootfs, chroot into it, adjust /boot/boot.script and run flash-kernel
[14:11] <dash> we'll see
[14:11] <dash> ogra_: right
[14:11] <ogra_> the latter will update the vfat on the SD card
[14:11] <ogra_> with kernel, initrd and boot.scr from /boot of your rootfs
[14:12] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484298/ -> is this output normal in minicom while configuring ?
[14:12] <djszapi> funky that, how many countries are missing in there.
[14:13] <djszapi> Finland, UK, Hungary, what not...
[14:14] <jackh> hey, all, is there any ubuntu support A8 CPU, like samsung s5pc110?
[14:15] <ogra_> jackh, can you be more specific ? ubuntu has images for omap3, omap4, freescale mx5, the toshiba ac100 netbook and a bunch of arm server architectures
[14:16] <jackh> ogra_: its the samsung A8, s5pc110
[14:17] <ogra_> not sure, it might be that #linaro has images for that
[14:17] <ogra_> ubuntu definitely doesnt
[14:18] <jackh> ogra_: linaro supports some A9 systems
[14:19] <ogra_> and a8 too
[14:19] <ogra_> not sure the s5pc110 is among them though
[14:19] <jackh> ogra_: you sure? i will go to check
[14:19] <ogra_> yeah, ask in #linaro
[14:20] <ogra_> i'm sure ubuntu and linaro both support everything thats ARMv7
[14:20] <ogra_> which inclused cortex-a8 and -a9
[14:21] <ogra_> *includes
[14:22] <jackh> ogra_: if i want to build a ubuntu from scratch, how to?
[14:22] <djszapi> any ideas why I am getting the one fourth size of the fullscreen in minicom for controlling my pandaboard with this ubuntu image ?
[14:23] <ogra_> jackh, define "built from scratch" you mean assembling your own image from ubuntu binaries from the archive ? or do you mean "build completely from source"
[14:24] <jackh> ogra_: hmm...i think i need to do the collecting images of binaries first, then i will thinking of builing from source
[14:25] <ogra_> give up on the latter ...
[14:25] <ogra_> thats a huge task and you need a lot of infrastructure
[14:26] <ogra_> ubuntu is a binary distro, its not designed to be rolled from source like i.e. gentoo or angstrom
[14:26] <djszapi> well, certain parts can be built from source
[14:26] <djszapi> sometimes, there is not even another solution around, if something is not packaged.
[14:26] <ogra_> for the image stuff you can start from ubuntu-core, note though that there is nothing configured in this tarball
[14:26] <ogra_> you should know exaxctly what you are doing if you want to use it
[14:27] <ogra_> (it is designed essentially as a base for IVI images)
[14:28] <jackh> ogra_: what's IVI means?
[14:29] <djszapi> jackh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-vehicle_infotainment
[14:29] <jackh> ogra_: is there a wiki to show me how to build a customized distro?
[14:29] <ogra_> in vehicle infotainment
[14:29] <jackh> ogra_: thx!
[14:29] <ogra_> they usually use very special rootfses that dont have a user etc
[14:30] <djszapi> jackh: what do you need to customize ?
[14:31] <jackh> djszapi, ogra_, what comes to me is if i want to get a distro for s5pc110, then 90% of the images are the same with other A8 systems
[14:31] <av500> yes
[14:31] <jackh> djszapi: ogra_, the only different is graffics and maybe some other perfics
[14:32] <djszapi> yes, but cannot you just install the relevant packages and load the relevant modules ?
[14:32] <ogra_> jackh, well, its usually bootloader and kernel thats different, yes
[14:32] <djszapi> I mean, why do you need a customized distribution for that ?
[14:34] <jackh> djszapi: the customized here is just means the graffic and some perfics, not mean the software modules
[14:34] <djszapi> right.
[14:35] <djszapi> I would check out the site of the custom periferia vendor.
[14:35] <jackh> djszapi: could you share me the link?
[14:35] <djszapi> that is what I also did with my toughbook, and I were able the touchscreen and digitizer drivers in there almost properly.
[14:36] <djszapi> I do not know what periferia you are interested in, but just type the stuff to google :)
[14:36] <jackh> djszapi: ok...
[14:36] <djszapi> (if it is not supported out of the box)
[14:37] <jackh> djszapi: someone did a 9.0.4 distro for this cpu
[14:37] <jackh> djszapi: now i want some 11.10 for it
[14:38] <djszapi> I see.
[14:39] <djszapi> I would base the customized image on the top of the ubuntu image.
[14:39] <jackh> djszapi: so which cpu are you working on now?
[14:39] <djszapi> that is what I also do with my product.
[14:39] <djszapi> I use pandaboard at the moment.
[14:40] <djszapi> that is using A9 cortex.
[14:42] <jackh> djszapi: you lucky, panda is just supported  by linaro
[14:43] <djszapi> I do not use the linary support.
[14:43] <jackh> djszapi: why??
[14:43] <djszapi> I like sticking with vanilla things as much as possible.
[14:44] <jackh> djszapi: vanilla? seems like some version name?
[14:44] <djszapi> I mean upstream without modification
[14:45] <av500> jackh: vanilla as in the most basic ice cream flavor
[14:45] <jackh> av500: ya, it tastes just wonderful
[14:47] <jackh> djszapi: so i guess what you do is: first get the upstream ubuntu distro of omap4, then do some driver and udev modification?
[14:47] <djszapi> jackh: I just install qt core and then my daemon
[14:47] <djszapi> as for the toughbook, I have had a patch against the wacom driver to get the touch and digitizer work, and then I add my UI application in there.
[14:48] <jackh> djszapi: got it
[14:48] <djszapi> and then I make a dd for the sdcard into a custom img
[14:48] <djszapi> and then I can replicate that to any sdcard, and I have a backup
[14:49] <jackh> djszapi: seems like some product level stuff
[14:50] <djszapi> yep
[15:02] <djszapi> ogra_: do you have any ideas for this packaging issue ? http://paste.kde.org/484334/
[15:03] <djszapi> trying to package the project on the pandaboard itself.
[15:03] <djszapi> ogra_: the control file is simply this: http://paste.kde.org/484340/
[15:04] <ogra_> you miss a comma in your build deps
[15:04] <djszapi> oh I am blind, thanks :D
[15:16] <djszapi> ogra_: it hands always here, but not sure why :o
[15:16] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484352/
[15:17] <ogra_> find out why that space is missing on the last two lines
[15:18] <djszapi> what space ?
[15:18] <ogra_> -O--parallel misses a space
[15:19] <djszapi> I use the stock debhelper from ubuntu 12.04
[15:21] <djszapi> it seems to be a bug then in the tool. My rules file is quite simple and do not touch those.
[15:21] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484364/
[15:22]  * ogra_ would try dropping the --parallel
[15:23] <djszapi> I have just tried that
[15:23] <djszapi> but it is still hanging there
[15:23] <djszapi> so probably missing space is a no issue
[15:24] <djszapi> so I was initially getting this: http://paste.kde.org/484376/
[15:25] <djszapi> perhaps it is because of the timezone
[15:25] <djszapi> I was not able to select Helsinki during the server configuration.
[15:25] <djszapi> simply, there was no such an item.
[15:26] <djszapi> set to Helsinki with /etc/timezone
[15:26] <djszapi> how can I set this to human readable ? date
[15:26] <djszapi> ג' מאי 22 19:56:19 AFT 2012
[15:26] <djszapi> I mean to ascii :)
[16:45] <highvoltage> that's better :)
[16:45] <highvoltage> ogra_: seen one of these yet? http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/
[16:45] <prpplague> wow thats like the 10th post about that in 20 minutes
[16:46] <prpplague> or this http://olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html
[16:46] <ogra_> highvoltage, oh my, another ARM11
[16:46] <ogra_> nothing for ubuntu
[16:48] <highvoltage> ogra_: ah
[16:48]  * highvoltage gets horribly confused with the arm versions
[16:48] <highvoltage> I need to read the wikipedia page on arm versions every few weeks to refresh :)
[16:48] <ogra_> see topic ;)
[16:48] <ogra_> thats why we have it there
[16:50]  * prpplague throws old arm boards at ogra_ like ninja throwing stars
[16:50]  * ogra_ ducks behind a boxed ubuntu 
[16:51] <prpplague> ogra_: gave up on getting ubuntu running on that toshiba satelite, had to return it
[16:51] <ogra_> oh
[16:51] <prpplague> ogra_: gotta find another laptop this weekend though :(
[16:51] <ogra_> sad
[16:51] <prpplague> ogra_: yea apparently there is some serious bios issues that make it totally unusable for linux
[16:51]  * prpplague has to troll the support channels to find a good laptop for ubuntu
[16:51] <ogra_> https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[16:52] <prpplague> ogra_: dandy!
[16:52] <ogra_> there is also an older laptop project page somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[16:55] <prpplague> ogra_: hehe i still have my panda netbook, i ment to give it away ages ago
[16:56] <prpplague> ogra_: my daughter has been using it
[16:56] <ogra_> heh
[16:56]  * ogra_ still works on a stack of ac100 netbooks 
[16:56]  * prpplague needs to build another
[16:56] <prpplague> i guess i could build one with the pixel qi display
[16:56] <ogra_> ++
[16:57] <av500> ogra_: wasnt friendly being canned?
[16:57] <av500> prpplague: get a thinkpad
[16:57] <ogra_> av500, i dont think so, but i'm not sure
[16:57] <prpplague> av500: i'll have a look at the prices
[16:57] <ogra_> there were some discussions at UDS but i cant attend all sessions :)
[16:57] <prpplague> av500: i need something cheap, as it will be dedicated for a specific use
[16:58] <av500> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTI
[16:58] <av500> inb4: yes, moronix :)
[16:59]  * highvoltage is kind of eyeing the new thinkpad X1
[17:00] <prpplague> ogra_: well i would suspect the number of visitors is low because people didn't know about it
[17:00] <prpplague> i certainly didn't
[17:00] <highvoltage> (it even contains an arm core along with the intel ones: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Hybrid/ )
[17:00] <highvoltage> (and it looks pretty sweet too: http://www.engadget.com/photos/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon/#5020648 )
[17:01] <ogra_> av500, aha, yeah, seems they look for community people to take over
[17:02] <av500> community will fix it :)
[17:02] <ogra_> prpplague, yeah, well, the lead dev did some blogposts when they started but it wasnt really made popular
[17:02] <ogra_> and she (being teh biggest driver) had to move to another team
[17:03] <ogra_> i dont think they actively want to tear it down though
[17:04]  * ogra_ wrote the initial version of checkbox 7 years ago btw ... when i haded it over to someone else we threw away 7 mio datasets it had collected 
[17:05] <ogra_> we would be far beyond smolt if we had actually had a backend for these huge masses of data we didnt expect
[23:32] <jimerickson> how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4?