[01:20] i have found that the work around proposed for bug #971091 works for bug #994368 [01:20] Launchpad bug 971091 in linux-ti-omap4 "Pandaboard ES freezes with the default CPU scaling governor ondemand" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971091 [01:20] Launchpad bug 994368 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4 kernel panics on pandaboard ES" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994368 === trelane` is now known as trelane [12:08] ogra_: is 12.04 ubuntu arm reliable on the pandaboard ? [12:08] why would we release an unreliable product ? :) [12:08] happened in the past few times... [12:08] ?? [12:09] what makes you think this [12:09] all of the ubuntu archive is built on pandas ... running an ubuntu image as the ones we release [12:09] if that would be unstable we would surely notice [12:10] and all ubuntu devs use the recent images for development as well .... [12:11] sorry for that opinion, but that is based on technically broken experiences. [12:11] what was broken ? [12:11] ogra_: seems you've run out of them, so here's one: ><)))'> [12:11] lol [12:11] now i know why we invented MaaS specifically to please LetoTheII [12:12] :) [12:12] ogra_: must be a typo, its usually called a maß. [12:12] ogra_: where can I find an ubuntu arm build ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM [12:12] LetoTheII, MaaS ... -> Metal as a Service [12:12] ;) [12:12] ogra_: ah that one ;) [12:13] djszapi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP [12:15] ogra_: for making sure: this one, right ? 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD [12:15] ogra_: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116342914382999178679/116342914382999178679/posts/P2FSSisAeo5 [12:15] hmm, nope... [12:15] djszapi, after you soldered the additional registers ontp your panda SoC, yes :P [12:15] *onto [12:15] perhaps Preinstalled desktop image [12:16] ogra_: sorry ?? [12:16] well, amd64 wont run on 32 bit arm :) [12:16] LetoTheII, LOL [12:16] Texas Instruments OMAP4 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image -> Perhaps, this is what I need. [12:17] right [12:17] or the server version, depends how and what you want to install [12:18] just a business specific daemon [12:18] that is run from an upstart job after the boot. [12:18] nothing else, really. [12:18] daemon listens to the serial port. [12:18] then take the server install [12:19] smaller footprint .... unless you actually need a desktop [12:19] note though that the server install completely runs on the serial console, you need a serial cable [12:19] then it is a big no go [12:20] I occasionally need to have an access through the ethernet [12:20] during the install ? [12:20] why ? [12:20] I do not need install at all [12:20] ?? [12:20] I mentioned "preinstalled" stuff above [12:20] that still runs the installer [12:21] huh ? [12:21] how else would you get a proper setup of the system [12:21] you need a user, timezone, kbd, language etc configured [12:21] obviously default could work [12:21] and no, that is not install, but mostly setup [12:22] well, however you want to call it, it is set up by the installer [12:22] which runs on the serial console [12:22] why would be installer on a preinstalled image ? Sounds very scary. [12:22] preinstalled just means you have a preinstalled rootfs [12:22] setup manager, ok, but installer on a preinstalled stuff makes no sense [12:22] it is completely unconfigured without the installer bits being run [12:23] well, the app doing the configuration is called debian-installer/ubiquity ... [12:23] well I definitely do not wanna have installer on my system [12:24] so I need an image which does not /not/ ship that. [12:24] its exactly the same as every other ubuntu installer, it just doesnt partition anything nor does copy any packages [12:24] you *need* the installer [12:24] then it is broken by design (TM) [12:24] else you end up with a brokenly configured system [12:24] no [12:24] that *is* the desigbn [12:25] I need a configuration or setup manager, but I do not know why I would need an installer on a preinstalled system [12:25] that is a brain damaged idea. [12:25] a system needs a certain amount of configuration to run properlay [12:25] that configuartion is part of debian-installer in all debian and ubuntu systems [12:26] configuration != install [12:26] configuration is *part* of the installation [12:26] that is a broken design IMO [12:26] I can configure my system *anytime* after installing that [12:26] and it would be braindead to not use the existing, tested and proven tools for it [12:26] without having an installer. [12:27] that would be as brain dead as much it is to hard wire into the installer without *clear* separation [12:27] how are you sure you configurede it right without reading tons of source code to see you have all the necessary bits enabled in your manual config ? [12:28] every bit in the installer chnages and gets adjusted to the new requirements of a new release [12:28] so how do you know what to configure and how if you dont look at the source of the tools doing that initial setup [12:29] (or by using the tools in an initial setup app that makes use of teh instzaller bits in question) [12:30] all preinstalled images always used the installer to do this initial setup ... and there is no sane way around this if you want a properly configured install in the end [12:31] the only difference to a normal install is that the unconfigured rootfs is preinstalled instead of being copied in place by the installer [12:31] thus the name [12:32] I dislike this design, sorry. [12:32] well, its the only possible design [12:32] eevrything else would be nonsense [12:32] no, it is of course not [12:32] ? [12:32] the configuration manager should be a totally separate project from the installer [12:32] why ? [12:32] and ofc the "live install stuff" could use that. [12:33] it does [12:33] so could anything else. [12:33] 90% of the installer is the configuration part [12:33] 10% are partitioning and copying [12:33] so ?? [12:33] peinstalled images just omit the partitioning and copying ... [12:33] say, an application frontend is 10% [12:34] and the library is 90% [12:34] would you pay a fulltime person to maintain a separate config tool ? [12:34] you are essentially saying they should not be decoupled. [12:34] just *because* ? [12:34] instead of just making use of the existing, proven and well maintained configuration tool that exists since 15 years ? [12:35] why would they need to be decoupled ? [12:35] you can omit the parts you dont need [12:35] ok, you lost me [12:35] they dont eat any space and dotn do any harm [12:38] anyway, since you dont like the design, you will be pleased to hear that we drop preinstalled images this cycle [12:40] not sure what that means... [12:40] that there wont be any preinstalled images anymore for Q [12:41] you will have to d a full install like on x86/amd64/powerpc [12:42] I would need to do the install over serial console anyway [12:42] I am just not sure the server edition is good fit [12:42] Ubuntu was not meant for server purposes [12:42] and is not used widely like other specialized server distributions [12:43] so I would trust the quality of the desktop version MUCH more even if I do not need UI [12:43] WHAT ?!? [12:43] ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world [12:43] *cloud [12:44] I am not sure what to take this comment for...perhaps biasment. [12:44] and the difference between the preinstalled server and desktop images is simply the omission of xorg and ubuntu-desktop on server [12:45] well, the desktop edition should fit for 4 GB Kingston usb pendrive I guess... [12:45] or even for 4 GB Kingston SD card... [12:45] right, server will fit into 2G ... and even less if you remove the included repo [12:46] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ -> this is a mess [12:46] very hard to find which usb iso I need in few seconds [12:46] I do have 4 GB stuff, so should not be a biggy anyway... [12:47] * ogra_ thinks he has fed the troll enough for today [12:48] there is no other way than grabbing the preinstalled images anyway... [12:49] you can use a netboot install image [12:49] meh [12:49] but anyway... i'll go and do some actual work [12:54] have fun [12:54] more than being ranted at for sure :P [12:55] huh ? [12:55] I told my sincere opinion about the modularization issue, that is all. [12:55] you do not need to think the same. [12:56] things like "ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world" would not just make me laugh btw =] [13:07] Booting the image... Open a terminal on your host system and launch a serial console monitor with the port set for 115200,n,8,1 [13:07] Screen: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 [13:07] this does not work for me. [13:08] I see no relevant things inside the screen session, really. [13:09] works fine here, is your serial device actually ttyUSB0 ? [13:09] (check dmesg) [13:10] yep [13:11] I am getting a root console [13:13] http://paste.kde.org/484262/ -> and even this behind minicom... [13:13] I can only configure this stuff over gui ? :( [13:14] is that the server image ? [13:14] no [13:14] well, then get a monitor, mouse and kbd, the desktop installer is fully graphical [13:15] meh [13:15] thing is, I need qt core anyway which depends on X anyway [13:15] thats why i told you to get the server image in the beginniong [13:15] well, then just use a monitor and input devices [13:16] this is a shame ubuntu-arm desktop cannot be configured over serial console. [13:16] thats a design decision [13:16] a bad one [13:17] well, it makes sure your monitor and input devices work before even bothering to run the installation [13:17] and we provide -server for eaxactly that gap [13:18] ogra_: makes no sense [13:18] qt core depends on X. [13:18] djszapi, why do you use ubuntu at all if all you can do is rant ? [13:18] and you can run a daemon fired up without using keyboard or mouse [13:18] or whatever [13:19] go and use angstrom, or linaro, there are fine images for it on the panda [13:19] or debian [13:19] ogra_: but thats not so shiny hf. [13:19] debian is :) [13:19] oh cool, lets go on ranting there then! [13:20] they dont have a desktop image that uses mouse and monitor ! [13:20] ogra_: I do not really understand why your turn my opinion into "ranting". [13:20] I cannot say what I honestly think about certain things ? [13:20] you* [13:20] djszapi, because i have to defned all my work all day since you showed up here [13:21] that does not translate here. [13:21] its getting tiring to be told that everything me and my team worked on for the last three years is crap, bad design or that i'm telling lies [13:21] defend [13:21] ogra_: and usually its me telling you this! :)( [13:22] av500, yeah, but your rants i'm used to, thats different :P [13:22] ogra_: do you seriously think we discussed all the things ? [13:22] you worked on the last three years ? [13:22] no modularization, yes bad design, many people think that including me [13:22] obviously he does not work much... [13:22] not having serial port setup opportunity is bad design as well [13:22] how could he, spending all the time on irc [13:22] *plop* prost. [13:22] many people would think t hat way including me. [13:23] having to handle people like you... [13:23] djszapi, you have no clue what yuo are ranting about either it seems, debian-installer is fully modular (else we wouldnt be able to only use the configuration bits of it) [13:24] *you* told that it is hard wired to the installer [13:24] i just said preinstalled uses the installer and omits the bits it doesnt need for maintenance reasons [13:25] my crystal-spice-ball thinks he wants a fancy tool to automagically create the ubuntu thing he'd like. like some schimaera of narcissus, live-build and some me(n)tal brain interface. [13:26] ogra_: yes, it is: I need A, but add A+B because I do not have time to maintain. [13:26] even that, it does not make B necessary for me. [13:26] LetoTheII, no, he just doesnt listen after asking what image he should take and then rants if the image he cose against good advice doesnt do what he wants [13:26] *chose [13:26] that is another borked idea [13:27] ogra_: oh come on, you are not actually telling me that my crystal ball is lying to me? [13:27] to not be able to *configure* a preinstall desktop image over serial console. [13:27] preinstalled* [13:27] djszapi, i told you how [13:28] but then you accused me of lying which somehwat killed my enthusiasm of wanting to help you [13:28] I think you take my opinion too personal. [13:29] well, its my work you are constantly citicizing and there are very good reasons for every single decision you called wrong [13:30] yes, *you* like that way. [13:31] no [13:31] ok, you do not like that way :D [13:31] i just implemented what was discussed at lenght at several UDSes with the community, vendors and other devs [13:32] so if I think differently I am not part of the community ? [13:32] I am sure there are people thinking that in the "community" it is suboptimal this way. [13:32] so you perhaps agreed upon with part of the community. [13:33] up to you ... UDS is open for everyone to participate in each single session [13:33] nobody sponsores my expensive flight tickets, so I cannot, sorry. [13:34] ?? [13:34] there is no neede to attend in person to participate, we have 1000s of users participating remotely [13:35] anyway, everything you ranted about will be gone with quantal [13:35] if you think my opinion is "ranting", what can I do :D [13:36] rant less [13:36] :) [13:36] av500: well you apparently agreed upon the "bad one" [13:36] with me. [13:36] so I do not understand why you changed your mind in a second :) [13:39] ogra_: good advice for the future: do not take opinions that hard :) [14:07] howdy. does the oneiric installer image have accounts enabled for console login? [14:08] i would like to interrupt the installer and fiddle with things myself [14:08] no, there are no accounts until the installer did its job of creating them [14:08] Guess I'll wait. [14:08] oh well :) [14:08] what exacrtly are you trying to do ? [14:09] ogra_: i have an existing ubuntu installation on an external drive [14:09] my boot media got screwed up [14:09] ah [14:09] so i booted the installer and now I want to get back to my old install without waiting another hour :) [14:10] so your rootfs is on different media ? [14:10] yes [14:10] you can take the installer, edit boot.scr on teh first partition and add break=premount to the kernel cmdline [14:11] yeah that would require a machine i could do that from, heh... [14:11] then mount your rootfs, chroot into it, adjust /boot/boot.script and run flash-kernel [14:11] we'll see [14:11] ogra_: right [14:11] the latter will update the vfat on the SD card [14:11] with kernel, initrd and boot.scr from /boot of your rootfs [14:12] http://paste.kde.org/484298/ -> is this output normal in minicom while configuring ? [14:12] funky that, how many countries are missing in there. [14:13] Finland, UK, Hungary, what not... [14:14] hey, all, is there any ubuntu support A8 CPU, like samsung s5pc110? [14:15] jackh, can you be more specific ? ubuntu has images for omap3, omap4, freescale mx5, the toshiba ac100 netbook and a bunch of arm server architectures [14:16] ogra_: its the samsung A8, s5pc110 [14:17] not sure, it might be that #linaro has images for that [14:17] ubuntu definitely doesnt [14:18] ogra_: linaro supports some A9 systems [14:19] and a8 too [14:19] not sure the s5pc110 is among them though [14:19] ogra_: you sure? i will go to check [14:19] yeah, ask in #linaro [14:20] i'm sure ubuntu and linaro both support everything thats ARMv7 [14:20] which inclused cortex-a8 and -a9 [14:21] *includes [14:22] ogra_: if i want to build a ubuntu from scratch, how to? [14:22] any ideas why I am getting the one fourth size of the fullscreen in minicom for controlling my pandaboard with this ubuntu image ? [14:23] jackh, define "built from scratch" you mean assembling your own image from ubuntu binaries from the archive ? or do you mean "build completely from source" [14:24] ogra_: hmm...i think i need to do the collecting images of binaries first, then i will thinking of builing from source [14:25] give up on the latter ... [14:25] thats a huge task and you need a lot of infrastructure [14:26] ubuntu is a binary distro, its not designed to be rolled from source like i.e. gentoo or angstrom [14:26] well, certain parts can be built from source [14:26] sometimes, there is not even another solution around, if something is not packaged. [14:26] for the image stuff you can start from ubuntu-core, note though that there is nothing configured in this tarball [14:26] you should know exaxctly what you are doing if you want to use it [14:27] (it is designed essentially as a base for IVI images) [14:28] ogra_: what's IVI means? [14:29] jackh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-vehicle_infotainment [14:29] ogra_: is there a wiki to show me how to build a customized distro? [14:29] in vehicle infotainment [14:29] ogra_: thx! [14:29] they usually use very special rootfses that dont have a user etc [14:30] jackh: what do you need to customize ? [14:31] djszapi, ogra_, what comes to me is if i want to get a distro for s5pc110, then 90% of the images are the same with other A8 systems [14:31] yes [14:31] djszapi: ogra_, the only different is graffics and maybe some other perfics [14:32] yes, but cannot you just install the relevant packages and load the relevant modules ? [14:32] jackh, well, its usually bootloader and kernel thats different, yes [14:32] I mean, why do you need a customized distribution for that ? [14:34] djszapi: the customized here is just means the graffic and some perfics, not mean the software modules [14:34] right. [14:35] I would check out the site of the custom periferia vendor. [14:35] djszapi: could you share me the link? [14:35] that is what I also did with my toughbook, and I were able the touchscreen and digitizer drivers in there almost properly. [14:36] I do not know what periferia you are interested in, but just type the stuff to google :) [14:36] djszapi: ok... [14:36] (if it is not supported out of the box) [14:37] djszapi: someone did a 9.0.4 distro for this cpu [14:37] djszapi: now i want some 11.10 for it [14:38] I see. [14:39] I would base the customized image on the top of the ubuntu image. [14:39] djszapi: so which cpu are you working on now? [14:39] that is what I also do with my product. [14:39] I use pandaboard at the moment. [14:40] that is using A9 cortex. [14:42] djszapi: you lucky, panda is just supported by linaro [14:43] I do not use the linary support. [14:43] djszapi: why?? [14:43] I like sticking with vanilla things as much as possible. [14:44] djszapi: vanilla? seems like some version name? [14:44] I mean upstream without modification [14:45] jackh: vanilla as in the most basic ice cream flavor [14:45] av500: ya, it tastes just wonderful [14:47] djszapi: so i guess what you do is: first get the upstream ubuntu distro of omap4, then do some driver and udev modification? [14:47] jackh: I just install qt core and then my daemon [14:47] as for the toughbook, I have had a patch against the wacom driver to get the touch and digitizer work, and then I add my UI application in there. [14:48] djszapi: got it [14:48] and then I make a dd for the sdcard into a custom img [14:48] and then I can replicate that to any sdcard, and I have a backup [14:49] djszapi: seems like some product level stuff [14:50] yep [15:02] ogra_: do you have any ideas for this packaging issue ? http://paste.kde.org/484334/ [15:03] trying to package the project on the pandaboard itself. [15:03] ogra_: the control file is simply this: http://paste.kde.org/484340/ [15:04] you miss a comma in your build deps [15:04] oh I am blind, thanks :D [15:16] ogra_: it hands always here, but not sure why :o [15:16] http://paste.kde.org/484352/ [15:17] find out why that space is missing on the last two lines [15:18] what space ? [15:18] -O--parallel misses a space [15:19] I use the stock debhelper from ubuntu 12.04 [15:21] it seems to be a bug then in the tool. My rules file is quite simple and do not touch those. [15:21] http://paste.kde.org/484364/ [15:22] * ogra_ would try dropping the --parallel [15:23] I have just tried that [15:23] but it is still hanging there [15:23] so probably missing space is a no issue [15:24] so I was initially getting this: http://paste.kde.org/484376/ [15:25] perhaps it is because of the timezone [15:25] I was not able to select Helsinki during the server configuration. [15:25] simply, there was no such an item. [15:26] set to Helsinki with /etc/timezone [15:26] how can I set this to human readable ? date [15:26] ג' מאי 22 19:56:19 AFT 2012 [15:26] I mean to ascii :) [16:45] that's better :) [16:45] ogra_: seen one of these yet? http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/ [16:45] wow thats like the 10th post about that in 20 minutes [16:46] or this http://olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html [16:46] highvoltage, oh my, another ARM11 [16:46] nothing for ubuntu [16:48] ogra_: ah [16:48] * highvoltage gets horribly confused with the arm versions [16:48] I need to read the wikipedia page on arm versions every few weeks to refresh :) [16:48] see topic ;) [16:48] thats why we have it there [16:50] * prpplague throws old arm boards at ogra_ like ninja throwing stars [16:50] * ogra_ ducks behind a boxed ubuntu [16:51] ogra_: gave up on getting ubuntu running on that toshiba satelite, had to return it [16:51] oh [16:51] ogra_: gotta find another laptop this weekend though :( [16:51] sad [16:51] ogra_: yea apparently there is some serious bios issues that make it totally unusable for linux [16:51] * prpplague has to troll the support channels to find a good laptop for ubuntu [16:51] https://friendly.ubuntu.com/ [16:52] ogra_: dandy! [16:52] there is also an older laptop project page somewhere on the ubuntu wiki [16:55] ogra_: hehe i still have my panda netbook, i ment to give it away ages ago [16:56] ogra_: my daughter has been using it [16:56] heh [16:56] * ogra_ still works on a stack of ac100 netbooks [16:56] * prpplague needs to build another [16:56] i guess i could build one with the pixel qi display [16:56] ++ [16:57] ogra_: wasnt friendly being canned? [16:57] prpplague: get a thinkpad [16:57] av500, i dont think so, but i'm not sure [16:57] av500: i'll have a look at the prices [16:57] there were some discussions at UDS but i cant attend all sessions :) [16:57] av500: i need something cheap, as it will be dedicated for a specific use [16:58] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTI [16:58] inb4: yes, moronix :) [16:59] * highvoltage is kind of eyeing the new thinkpad X1 [17:00] ogra_: well i would suspect the number of visitors is low because people didn't know about it [17:00] i certainly didn't [17:00] (it even contains an arm core along with the intel ones: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Hybrid/ ) [17:00] (and it looks pretty sweet too: http://www.engadget.com/photos/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon/#5020648 ) [17:01] av500, aha, yeah, seems they look for community people to take over [17:02] community will fix it :) [17:02] prpplague, yeah, well, the lead dev did some blogposts when they started but it wasnt really made popular [17:02] and she (being teh biggest driver) had to move to another team [17:03] i dont think they actively want to tear it down though [17:04] * ogra_ wrote the initial version of checkbox 7 years ago btw ... when i haded it over to someone else we threw away 7 mio datasets it had collected [17:05] we would be far beyond smolt if we had actually had a backend for these huge masses of data we didnt expect [23:32] how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4?