| nixternal | greg-g: i have a client that i was at all last week that is right around the corner. i had lunch there every damn day | 02:16 |
|---|---|---|
| nixternal | snap-l: you read about ubuntu accomplishments 0.2 yet? bet you can't wait to read it either :p | 02:18 |
| nixternal | i live about 25 minutes west of hot dougs, so i still frequent it | 02:19 |
| snap-l | nixternal: I wish them every success | 02:25 |
| snap-l | and I wish for permission to completely ignore it | 02:25 |
| snap-l | The last time I actually gave a shit about merit badges was the one day I was a Boy Scout. I got mycommuncation badge,and thought "why am I doing this to myself?" Plus, the scoutmaster's son was an ass. | 02:26 |
| snap-l | He was Arnold J Rimmer. All pomp and military-like, but the first dodgeball to the face and he crumpled like a used kleenex. | 02:27 |
| shakes808 | Hello all | 02:32 |
| shakes808 | I have a question | 02:32 |
| shakes808 | Trying to work on the Pyramid tutorial and am having problems trying to run it. I have recreated the venv and all that and still won't run. | 02:33 |
| shakes808 | I was in #python trying to get some help but wasn't working out | 02:34 |
| shakes808 | here is what it is doing | 02:34 |
| shakes808 | http://bpaste.net/show/fwqcuUqYjrZ1IYiOMjor/ | 02:34 |
| snap-l | You might want to check #pyramid for help | 03:04 |
| snap-l | I've sen that error before, but I can't place it. | 03:04 |
| shakes808 | alright thank you | 03:07 |
| greg-g | nixternal: jealous, I would eat there all the time, too. | 03:35 |
| nixternal | i still prefer true chicago style, but when i get the chance i hit that place up. especially when they have specials or new beasts to eat :) | 04:29 |
| nixternal | i tried that vegetarian crap, it is over rated and it made me fat(ter). | 04:30 |
| greg-g | heh | 04:31 |
| greg-g | nixternal: I even got the duck fat fries | 04:31 |
| nixternal | omg, those are nuts. i can't believe you went crazy like that | 04:47 |
| nixternal | you just pissed off the entire hipster community. may che be with you | 04:47 |
| nixternal | if you are so anal about having GNU/Linux as part of your distro name...get the f off facebook & twitter! | 04:48 |
| nixternal | if you use gnu/linux, you believe in that filth stallman spews, and if that is the case, you are against enemies such as twitter & fb | 04:48 |
| greg-g | wait, did you switch between talking to me and someone else there, nixternal ? | 04:53 |
| nixternal | greg-g: damn, i did. i didn't switch channels on the gnu/linux stuff | 04:55 |
| nixternal | when i start doing that, it means it is time for sleep! | 04:56 |
| greg-g | I hear ya | 04:56 |
| greg-g | g'night! | 04:56 |
| snap-l | nixternal: As with most things Stallman, there's a nuance that is completely missed by his disciples | 10:58 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 11:42 |
| rick_h_ | http://pandodaily.com/2012/05/21/bootstrapped-github-now-raising-a-round-from-andreessen-horowitz/ | 11:43 |
| rick_h_ | crazy, I didn't realize the in house github box was such the big deal | 11:44 |
| shakes808 | Good morning all | 11:58 |
| rick_h_ | party | 12:00 |
| brousch | potty | 12:03 |
| snap-l | Is it just me, or does the name Marc Andreessen signal "run away" | 12:34 |
| rick_h_ | guess I don't know enough about the guy | 12:35 |
| snap-l | ACtually, looking at their track record on wikipedia; they've picked some pretty good winners | 12:36 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreessen_Horowitz | 12:37 |
| snap-l | Apparently I'm full of it | 12:38 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 12:38 |
| brousch | acknowledgement is the first step | 12:39 |
| snap-l | He still gives me the tech heebie-jeebies, but I'd settle for half of his tech picks. | 12:46 |
| rick_h_ | http://goo.gl/KSlTG | 14:48 |
| rick_h_ | amen ^^ | 14:48 |
| brousch | ug | 14:54 |
| brousch | too long | 14:54 |
| rick_h_ | it's very good thgh | 14:54 |
| brousch | sems to repeat the same thing over and over | 14:57 |
| rick_h_ | woot! getting to play my old grey beard cards today | 15:25 |
| _stink_ | just today? | 15:29 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 15:29 |
| snap-l | Got some O'Reilly books for MUG | 15:34 |
| snap-l | not sure what they sent us, so it'll be a sur-prise! | 15:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I swear, IE9 should just be treated as one giant <canvas> tag | 15:35 |
| snap-l | and just do off-browser rendering on some other machine. ;) | 15:35 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 15:40 |
| brousch | render the pages as jpg server side and just send them down | 17:08 |
| Blazeix | that's how gtk3's html background works, via multipart/x-mixed-replace | 17:16 |
| Blazeix | er, s/background/backend/ | 17:17 |
| Blazeix | i wonder if you could use that backend with webkit to render all pages server-side, then push them to a canvas for IE. that should work, i'd think | 17:18 |
| Blazeix | of course, you'd go to hell for doing that, but it'd be an interesting exercise | 17:18 |
| jrwren | would you say that unused imports at top of a python file is a sign of inexperienced pythonista? | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: I'd say it's a sign of someone not using good tools | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: but not necessarily inexperienced, it's not hard to miss when you're editing a file down well below of imports | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | make lint ftw! | 17:20 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It depends. It could be the sign of someone doing cut-and-paste code, or it could be the sign of refactoring without clean-up | 17:21 |
| brousch | i do! in my belly button! | 17:21 |
| snap-l | It's not something I'd crucify a developer over, but I'd remove them once I noticed | 17:22 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's why you have your build server run lint/etc tools on the code as well as tests | 17:22 |
| snap-l | unless it was brousch, because any excuse for a crucifixion is a good one. | 17:22 |
| rick_h_ | yea, pep8 (habit stuff) is actually a bigger sign imo | 17:22 |
| brousch | pydev warns me about unused imports and unused variables | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but sometimes you don't notice because it's usually next to the line in erorr | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | so if you open a file, jump to the bottom, refactor some bits, and close it...meh | 17:23 |
| snap-l | If you're going a programmer interview, I'd recommend giving tasks that have python built-in equivalents | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | it happens | 17:23 |
| snap-l | like finding a value in an array | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | dammit, django strikes again... | 17:26 |
| rick_h_ | oh sqlalchemy how I !@$#@! miss you | 17:26 |
| rick_h_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5821947/sqlalchemy-getter-setter-in-declarative-mixin-class vs https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3148 | 17:27 |
| brousch | anyone poked at this yet? https://www.pythonanywhere.com/ | 17:30 |
| rick_h_ | no, it's cool but can't find a need/use for it | 17:31 |
| brousch | move launchpad to it | 17:32 |
| snap-l | They need to figure out how to get pygame to work with it. :) | 17:33 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: That comment thread on that Django patch needs more razor blades and emo kids | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | well it's nuts. That thing is year's old. You're telling me you can't find a single way to make this thing work in all that time? | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | it's a feature I use in about every app I do | 17:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Maybe the problem is with you. :) | 17:35 |
| snap-l | YOu're doing it wrong. | 17:35 |
| snap-l | That's not hte DJango way. | 17:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I always forget to put that hat on | 17:35 |
| rick_h_ | the 'shut up and enjoy our crap you hater' hat | 17:35 |
| brousch | quit doing it wrong! | 17:39 |
| brousch | rick_h_: you should spend your time making a django->pyramid conversion script | 17:43 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: ummm...no | 17:43 |
| brousch | do it! | 17:43 |
| rick_h_ | django devs don't want pyramid | 17:43 |
| rick_h_ | it's like saying you'd make a mac->linux conversion script | 17:43 |
| rick_h_ | they're revolt at the idea | 17:43 |
| brousch | make it go both ways, like git-svn | 17:44 |
| * rick_h_ shoots self | 17:44 | |
| brousch | you work in pyramid, but push to django | 17:45 |
| brousch | ahahahah | 17:45 |
| brousch | mission accomplished | 17:45 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: that django issue is terrible. | 17:47 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, I keep finding these long standing tickets for things as I go along | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | like brousch said, I'm not asking for anything that hasn't been thought of before...just not implemented yet I geuss :/ | 17:48 |
| brousch | disappointing | 17:49 |
| brousch | there are patches and everything even | 17:49 |
| rick_h_ | patches don't mean crap, see the ticket from yesterday adding pidfile support to the dev server | 17:49 |
| * rick_h_ goes off and grumbles while trying to move things forward | 17:50 | |
| jcastro | rick_h_: those eneloops are awesome | 17:50 |
| jcastro | <3 | 17:50 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: glad you like | 17:50 |
| snap-l | ? | 17:50 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: rechargable batteries | 17:51 |
| rick_h_ | the eneloops are the branch that the apple rechargables are underneath | 17:51 |
| rick_h_ | brand that is | 17:52 |
| jcastro | http://www.eneloop.info/ | 17:52 |
| rick_h_ | suggested jcastro get some a while back | 17:52 |
| snap-l | They're just rechargables? | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | but good quality ones | 17:57 |
| snap-l | OK, for some reason I was hoping they'd have some kinetic charging mechanism or something. :) | 17:57 |
| snap-l | eneloop just sounds like it should be more than conventional rechargable. | 17:58 |
| jcastro | yeah | 17:58 |
| jcastro | they're pretty nice though | 17:58 |
| greg-g | lmorchard: hey, we should talk sometime about badg.us and LRMI (http://lrmi.net). Basically, recording, via metadata, the educational competencies/standards on the "proof" page | 18:58 |
| greg-g | I'm here at a conference with Chris M. from Mozilla OB | 18:58 |
| lmorchard | Hah I was just going to mention him | 18:58 |
| lmorchard | and irc://irc.mozilla.org/badges | 18:59 |
| greg-g | ah, k, we have lunch now, be back later :) | 18:59 |
| snap-l | lmorchard: You should really come to CHC tomorrow. :) | 18:59 |
| snap-l | I'll get you some clove gum if it would get you there. | 18:59 |
| lmorchard | Oddly enough, I will be in ann arbor tomorrow night :/ | 18:59 |
| snap-l | bah | 19:00 |
| lmorchard | Leaving the house, but in the other direction | 19:00 |
| snap-l | no clove gum then | 19:00 |
| snap-l | INstead I'll be getting you some Necco Wafers | 19:01 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necco#Brands <- Gah, it's like a collection of all of the candy I despise in one company | 19:02 |
| lmorchard | It's nice out now, though, so my chances of leaving the house are rising | 19:03 |
| snap-l | lmorchard: OK, you have my permission to go to AA tomorrow (http://www.aadl.org/events/list?id=14190) | 19:07 |
| lmorchard | Yeah, that's why :) | 19:08 |
| lmorchard | Also taking my wife, the archival studies grad student, with me | 19:08 |
| brousch | mmmm, clove um | 19:09 |
| brousch | almost as good as black licorice | 19:09 |
| snap-l | Hah, they have a reference to my old BBS on textfiles.com | 19:11 |
| snap-l | http://bbslist.textfiles.com/616/ | 19:11 |
| snap-l | I'll give you a hint: my old handle was a Rush album name | 19:11 |
| rick_h_ | ah, so love passing tests | 19:12 |
| brousch | i'm going through this right now http://www.tdd-django-tutorial.com/ | 19:14 |
| rick_h_ | ugh! selenium ootb? | 19:16 |
| jrwren | gawd i suck at python | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | what did you do now jrwren? | 19:17 |
| * rick_h_ bets nothing we haven't done 10x | 19:17 | |
| jrwren | nothin, i just odn't know how to do such simple stuff | 19:17 |
| brousch | what's wrong with selenium? | 19:17 |
| rick_h_ | ah, learning curve stuff? | 19:17 |
| jrwren | like, how do I determine the module I'm in. | 19:17 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: it's slow! | 19:17 |
| jrwren | yeah, learning curve stuff. | 19:17 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: __name__ | 19:17 |
| rick_h_ | __file__ is helpful as well | 19:17 |
| rick_h_ | there's some other __xx__ magic vars | 19:18 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: oh, maybe __module__ | 19:20 |
| rick_h_ | http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html goes through the big ones it seems | 19:20 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: check out hte django test Client for most unit testing | 19:21 |
| jrwren | yeah, but it seem context sensitive. | 19:21 |
| rick_h_ | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/testing/?from=olddocs#default-test-client | 19:21 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, it's the current module/file/etc | 19:22 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: what are you hoping to get a hold of? | 19:22 |
| jrwren | if I'm in a class I can self.__module__ but in a top level function (django view) its different. | 19:22 |
| jrwren | django view name | 19:22 |
| jrwren | i'm sure a name would never change. | 19:22 |
| jrwren | but still that APP='name of my view' string is driving me bonkers | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: huh? what string is that? | 19:23 |
| jrwren | someone put there. | 19:23 |
| jrwren | and it shouldn't be there, of course :) | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | ah, gotcha | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | yea, well no helping people doing wrong things for sure :/ | 19:23 |
| jrwren | i'm trying to clean up | 19:24 |
| lmorchard | snap-l: Heh, Newt BBS? | 19:28 |
| snap-l | Yep | 19:28 |
| snap-l | Later became Whatsamatta U when I moved dorm rooms | 19:29 |
| lmorchard | This was more my BBS hood: http://bbslist.textfiles.com/810/ | 19:30 |
| snap-l | Yeah, my friend ran Olympus | 19:30 |
| snap-l | Olympus BBS Mark II | 19:31 |
| lmorchard | Got my first job out of college working for Industry BBS, who were turning themselves into a dialup ISP and web hosting niz | 19:31 |
| snap-l | Oh very cool | 19:32 |
| snap-l | Met the guys who ran surfboard and surfboard II | 19:33 |
| snap-l | http://bbslist.textfiles.com/313/ | 19:33 |
| snap-l | Good times | 19:33 |
| lmorchard | I remember a few times in high school carting my amiga and modem over to a friend's house because he was on the edge of different toll-free calling areas, and vice versa | 19:35 |
| snap-l | lmorchard: Yeah, I learned what a zone phone call was in those days | 19:35 |
| brousch | dorks! | 19:35 |
| snap-l | brousch: shush | 19:35 |
| brousch | mostly i'm just jealous | 19:35 |
| brousch | i didn't compute until college | 19:36 |
| lmorchard | I also once got banned from fidonet for a bit by figuring out how to download MODs from aminet with FTP-by-email -> email-by-fidonet | 19:36 |
| snap-l | I didn't get a modem until high school | 19:36 |
| brousch | please carry on with your belt onion talk | 19:36 |
| snap-l | and that was pretty late. | 19:36 |
| lmorchard | which seemed like a good idea, but pissed off about 18 BBS sysops as their machines did a bucket brigade carrying all my mods across the country by calling each other at night | 19:36 |
| snap-l | lmorchard: Yeah, I could see that causing some problems. | 19:37 |
| devinheitmueller | Modem? I had to modulate and demodulate the signal by hand back in the day... ;-) | 19:37 |
| snap-l | especially since folks paid some serious long-distance charges to keep those networks running | 19:37 |
| jrwren | haha, i fail at django. :) | 19:37 |
| snap-l | I remember paying $50 phone bills in college to pay for keeping up a network to Ohio | 19:38 |
| jrwren | hilarious. | 19:38 |
| lmorchard | Yeah, at the time I was mostly like… hmm, this can't possibly work… (1 week later) oh crap, I have 20MB of email on my BBS | 19:38 |
| brousch | jrwren: unpossible | 19:38 |
| lmorchard | (back when my modem was 2400bps) | 19:38 |
| snap-l | lmorchard: brick-shitting time | 19:38 |
| snap-l | lmorchard: And BBses weren't equipped to handle that kind of traffic | 19:39 |
| brousch | 20MB of ASCIIpr0n? | 19:39 |
| brousch | that's all i remember my friend downloading | 19:39 |
| lmorchard | It was probably about 18 MB of amiga music mods, and 2 MB of sysops telling to die in a fire | 19:40 |
| snap-l | hah | 19:41 |
| snap-l | I wonder how many of them had disks that ran out of space because of it. | 19:42 |
| snap-l | probably non-zero | 19:42 |
| lmorchard | Oh, for sure | 19:42 |
| lmorchard | I had a 128MB HD in my amiga and thought that was hawt | 19:42 |
| jrwren | my Amiga had 2 3.5" micro floppy drives and that is all. | 19:44 |
| greg-g | ok, back :) | 20:22 |
| brousch | wow, coffeescript looks pretty nice. almost python in javascript | 20:33 |
| Blazeix | /cue rick_h_ asploding | 20:35 |
| Blazeix | but i agree, it does look tempting | 20:35 |
| * rick_h_ just keeps on typing | 20:43 | |
| Blazeix | ...into the irc client as he composes his manifesto | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | please don't say it's like python though...it's a way to line thigns up | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | you can say it's better JS, but really comparing it to python is more than a bit shallow to it | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 20:45 |
| rick_h_ | hey, I've said I want to do something in coffeescript | 20:45 |
| rick_h_ | but not going to say it makes JS like Python or ever ruby | 20:45 |
| rick_h_ | /ever/even | 20:45 |
| brousch | it adds a lot of python-like features: default values in functions, list comprehensions | 20:47 |
| brousch | things that anger me in JS because they don';t exist | 20:48 |
| jrwren | coffeescript adds list comprehensions? | 23:40 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea | 23:52 |
| rick_h_ | it's really the only big added language thing, it transforms them to underscore style for loops | 23:52 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!