[05:56] <inetpro> good morning
[06:02] <superfly> tumbleweed: thanks!
[06:02] <superfly> Morning inetpro
[06:02]  * superfly is on the train currently
[06:03] <inetpro> hmm... die trein na maatjiesfontein?
[06:07] <superfly> inetpro: nee, die trein na kaapstad
[06:07] <inetpro> lol
[06:07] <superfly> pity it isn't bound for maatjiesfontein
[06:45] <sakhi> Morning.
[06:46] <superfly> morning sakhi
[11:03] <Kilos> hi superfly nuvolari inetpro and others
[11:05] <Kilos> hi queery 
[11:06] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[11:06] <Maaz> queery: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell queery get your LPI ID here   https://cs.lpi.org/caf/Xamman/register  or just google LPI ID and there are more sights for free books and exam info etc" 47 seconds ago
[11:06] <Kilos> Maaz, google LPI ID
[11:06] <Maaz> Kilos: "Register - Linux Certifications Overview | Linux Professional Institute ..." https://cs.lpi.org/caf/Xamman/register :: "Taking Exams | Linux Professional Institute (LPI)" http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/taking-exams :: "Verification Code - Linux Certifications Overview | Linux ..." https://cs.lpi.org/caf/Xamman/certification :: "Login - Linux Certifications Overview | Linux Professional Institute (LPI)" https://cs.lpi.org/ca
[11:06] <queery> Maaz: botsnack
[11:06] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[11:07] <Kilos> yo Superhuman 
[11:07] <queery> thank you oom Kilos
[11:07] <Kilos> hehe
[11:07] <Kilos> you are welcome
[11:10] <Superhuman> aweh Kilos
[11:11] <Kilos> bbl
[11:24] <zeref> hurrrmmmm
[11:32] <charlvn> hi all
[12:25]  * Kilos visa granted after 1 year and 6 days
[12:29] <bakuman> to where?
[12:29] <Kilos> australia to see my daughter
[12:31] <Kilos> and her mom of course
[12:40] <charlvn> wtfbbq are you serious
[12:41] <charlvn> how the heck did that happen
[12:41] <charlvn> oh he's gone already
[15:32] <tumbleweed> superfly: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openlp/1.9.9-1
[16:20] <nuvolari> whoot! :D
[16:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell kilos baie geluk oom! dit is 'n groot klip uit die pad!
[16:22] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[16:29] <superfly> \o/ yay! Thanks tumbleweed!
[17:11] <superfly> tumbleweed: you mentioned "build chroots" or something like that for packaging... do you know of a good guide to setting one up?
[17:13]  * superfly sees plenty of options, but is not sure which is preferred
[17:14] <tumbleweed> superfly: sbuild is the preferred choice. There's an mk-sbuild script in ubuntu-dev-tools that's pretty good
[17:14] <superfly> OK, cool, I'll check that out. Thanks!
[18:02] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[18:02] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, nuvolari on freenode told me "tell kilos baie geluk oom! dit is 'n groot klip uit die pad!" 1 hour, 40 minutes and 36 seconds ago
[18:02] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[18:03] <Kilos> squirm did i say i would get you a link for something
[18:03] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[18:03] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[18:03] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[18:04] <superfly> yo Mezenir
[18:04]  * superfly is doing the happy dance today
[18:04] <Mezenir> indeed ?
[18:05] <highvoltage> superfly: another baby on the way?
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe why superfly you hit the jackpot
[18:06] <Kilos> lo highvoltage next fly due in october i think
[18:07] <highvoltage> oh wow, congrats superfly 
[18:07] <superfly> highvoltage: yeah, that too, but that's not the reason for this happy dance :-)
[18:07] <superfly> Kilos: August, not October
[18:08] <Kilos> oh sorry
[18:08] <superfly> highvoltage: thanks to tumbleweed, I have a package in Debian and in Ubuntu
[18:08] <highvoltage> superfly: ooh! congrats again! :D
[18:08] <superfly> ta :-D
[18:08] <Kilos> well done superfly 
[18:08] <Mezenir> sweet
[18:09] <Kilos> superfly, now fix freenode so it doesnt use so much data
[18:11] <tumbleweed> superfly: going to backport it to precise?
[18:12] <superfly> tumbleweed: yup, busy getting the sbuild stuff set up
[18:12] <tumbleweed> cool
[18:12] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed charlvn 
[18:12] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[18:12] <charlvn> how's it going
[18:12] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[18:13] <charlvn> good good man
[18:14] <Mezenir> hey charl and tuble
[18:14] <Mezenir> tumble
[18:15] <charlvn> hi Mezenir 
[18:18] <Mezenir> pretty quiet tonight
[18:18] <Kilos> yeah too cold to type lots
[18:18] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:19] <Mezenir> i finally got my email allowing me to order a raspberry pi
[18:19] <Mezenir> happiness
[18:19] <Kilos> you fast typers must make a hellova draft
[18:20] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:20] <Mezenir> my flat is small
[18:20] <Mezenir> hard to get cold
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> hi plustwo you been quiet lately
[18:22] <Kilos> evening psydroid 
[18:31] <smile> bye! :)
[18:32] <Kilos> hi bye smile 
[18:33] <smile> hi bye kilos :)
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <Kilos> are you coming or going?
[18:33] <Kilos> your nick shows you grayed out here
[18:34] <smile> going, sorry :p
[18:34] <smile> will come back later :)
[18:34] <smile> (tomorrow)
[18:34] <smile> good night :)
[18:34] <Kilos> cheers smile 
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: I like the good news!
[18:34] <Banlam> i was holding him back
[18:34] <Kilos> tell inetpro 
[18:34] <inetpro> when are you flying?
[18:35] <Kilos> ha ha Banlam 
[18:35] <Banlam> @ubuntu-afr
[18:35] <Banlam> #ubuntu-afr
[18:35] <Kilos> aw it will take a while for the plane fare inetpro but at least its another step forward
[18:36] <inetpro> cool
[18:36] <inetpro> so what's the next step?
[18:36] <Kilos> thats it
[18:37] <Kilos> soon as i get a ticket i go
[18:37] <inetpro> how much is a ticket?
[18:37] <Kilos> they say the visa is valid for 2 years and i can go as often as i like for 3 months at a time
[18:37] <Kilos> last i looked was about R15000
[18:37] <Banlam> Kilos is skipping the country?
[18:38] <inetpro> hmm... only 3 months?
[18:38] <Kilos> at a time
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: eish!
[18:38] <charlvn> that's strange
[18:39] <charlvn> i got a visa once to go to bangladesh, it was only valid for 6 months but then i could enter and leave the country as much as i wanted to inside of that timeframe
[18:39] <Kilos> charlvn, i applied for a tourist visa
[18:39] <charlvn> i guess every country has a different policy regarding visas
[18:39] <charlvn> ah i see, that might be different, i got a business visa
[18:39] <charlvn> only time i ever needed a visa though so not sure what is "typical" anyway
[18:40] <Kilos> tourist is for 3 months and once there you can apply to have it extended to 6 months
[18:40] <charlvn> ah that's not so bad
[18:40] <charlvn> so you planning a nice long visit?
[18:40] <charlvn> never been to austral asia, looks like a very beautiful place to visit, although quite warm in the summertime
[18:41] <Kilos> as long as i can yes charlvn . they have uncapped
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: when are you getting married again? :-)
[18:41] <charlvn> you mean internet? interesting, i heard the internet in the region isn't too good actually
[18:42] <Kilos> most likely within the first month or so inetpro 
[18:42] <Kilos> tara can stream youtube all day so it cant be too bad
[18:43] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:43] <charlvn> the question is, at which quality, youtube supports 240p :)
[18:43] <Mezenir> wow
[18:43] <Kilos> ?
[18:43] <Mezenir> so youre moving there ?
[18:44] <charlvn> if you can stream 1080p uninterrupted then it's not bad
[18:44] <Kilos> first going for a visit to meet my daughter
[18:45] <Mezenir> meet ?
[18:45] <Kilos> then i can even try unity
[18:45] <Kilos> yeah i have never met her
[18:45] <Mezenir> cool
[18:45] <Kilos> we bust up and disappeared
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: I seriously hope that you get the funds together asap and everything will just go perfect as planned
[18:46] <Mezenir> you must be excited
[18:46] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah Mezenir  i am
[18:46] <Kilos> she is a singer of note
[18:46] <Kilos> in my opinion, maybe im biased
[18:47] <charlvn> that's perfectly fine if you're the dad :)
[18:47] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Mezenir> i thought i was a singer of note
[18:47] <Mezenir> turns out i was biased :)
[18:47] <Kilos> she has just got through the first 4 rounds of this years xfactor australia
[18:48] <Kilos> nuvolari, has the link to it 
[18:48] <Kilos> i have lost so much trying to sort out all my stuff, dunno where to find anything anymore
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: thre's a new posting with a video at https://twitter.com/#!/TaraLSOfficial/status/204928306825543680
[18:49] <Kilos> oh is that a new song inetpro 
[18:50] <inetpro> You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman
[18:50] <Kilos> i dont twitter or anything any more
[18:50] <Kilos> is it good
[18:50] <inetpro> pretty good I think
[18:51] <Kilos> as goos as I will always love you?
[18:51] <Kilos> good
[18:54] <Kilos> that must be a home recording inetpro 
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, looks like she was playing around
[18:55] <inetpro> still pretty good though
[18:56] <Kilos> ian was in an accident today . some twit hopped a stop street and side swiped him
[18:57] <inetpro> eina, he ok?
[18:57] <Kilos> i thought the audition last year of tara's was really good so hope she doesnt mess up this year
[18:58] <Kilos> he has just come out of xrays and waiting for the report. hurt neck head and leg i gather
[18:58] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:58] <nuvolari> lol... being a singer of note, or off note?
[18:59] <nuvolari> I'm off note in the shower
[18:59] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[18:59] <nuvolari> g'evening Mezenir, charlvn, inetpro 
[18:59] <charlvn> hi nuvolari 
[18:59] <inetpro> ehlo nuvolari
[18:59] <Mezenir> hey nuvo
[19:00] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[19:00] <Kilos> you still got the link for taras xfactor audition last year
[19:00] <Kilos> so Banlam can see i got good genes
[19:00] <Kilos> not denims either
[19:02] <Banlam> what?
[19:03] <Mezenir> haha
[19:03] <Kilos> hehe
[19:04] <nuvolari> Maaz: tara.link
[19:04] <Maaz> nuvolari: tara.link is https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/tara
[19:04] <nuvolari> hmm. not sure if that's it
[19:04] <Kilos> its not there anymore i think nuvolari 
[19:04] <nuvolari> it is oom Kilos 
[19:05] <Kilos> oh i thought i took her out there so i dont interfere with her chances
[19:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: we only hid the site from search results
[19:05] <Kilos> my site is there yes but i think she is out
[19:05] <nuvolari> I'm talking under correction now...
[19:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: I'm looking at the 2 videos...
[19:06] <nuvolari> might also be because you gave me access :P
[19:06] <Kilos> wow are they still there?
[19:06] <nuvolari> so not sure if it's public
[19:06] <Kilos> oh
[19:07] <Kilos> cant member when last i was there
[19:08] <Banlam> i have no idea what is happening 
[19:08] <Kilos> sy is weer deur tot by die boot camp nuvolari 
[19:08] <Kilos> my brat Banlam 
[19:08] <Banlam> one of your kids?
[19:09] <Kilos> yeah
[19:09] <Banlam> ok
[19:09] <Kilos> the one im going to meet in aus
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: if I google her name I get a video that has been seen 414,895 times
[19:09] <inetpro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmLemlIDCl0
[19:09] <Kilos> whew
[19:10] <inetpro> 1,994 likes, 29 dislikes
[19:10] <Kilos> swhe has many fans but who knows what happens when the public votes for their favourites
[19:10] <Kilos> lol 29 dislikes
[19:10] <Kilos> what do they say why they dislike her
[19:10] <Kilos> ha ha
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, I would just not worry about those if I was you
[19:13] <Kilos> ?
[19:13] <Kilos> inetpro, did you see the fly has 2 packages in debian and ubuntu
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, it's you who has been scarce on here
[19:14] <Kilos> oh ya. i cant stay online
[19:14] <inetpro> of course
[19:15] <Kilos> freenode uses 200kB per hour
[19:15] <Kilos> mxit under 100kB a day
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously you can't compare it like that
[19:16] <nuvolari> that much? probably the pings. but still, I thought it was less
[19:16] <Kilos> i have to compare it to something
[19:16] <inetpro> all depends on how many channels you open on freenode and whether peeps are chatty or not
[19:17] <Kilos> i only open here nowadays
[19:17] <Kilos> but even when no one is chatting freenode uses every 20 secs or so
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: what port do you connect to?
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: on freenode
[19:18] <Kilos> oh my
[19:18] <Kilos> 8001
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: do you specify to connect with SSL?
[19:20] <Kilos> nope that block is unticked
[19:20] <inetpro> ok
[19:20] <inetpro> because if it was enabled then it was probably gonna use more
[19:21] <Kilos> just the one that says use global user info is ticked
[19:21] <Banlam> if you're worried about 200kB/hour
[19:21] <Banlam> you have bigger issues
[19:21] <Kilos> whew
[19:21] <inetpro> although I could be wrong on that
[19:21] <Kilos> such as ? Banlam 
[19:21] <inetpro> Banlam: he has no income
[19:21] <Kilos> oh
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:22] <Banlam> :x oh
[19:22] <inetpro> Banlam: Kilos is one very inspiring man if you ask me
[19:22] <nuvolari> ++ on that!
[19:23] <inetpro> able to help people against all odds
[19:23] <nuvolari> :> oom Kilos is one of my heroes
[19:23] <Banlam> :)
[19:23]  * Kilos blushes
[19:24] <Kilos> when i get to aus i will be online all day again
[19:24] <nuvolari> when are you going there oom?
[19:24] <inetpro> Banlam: when we first met Kilos he used to tell us how he lost half his brains on the farm
[19:25] <Kilos> sodra ons die vlieg geld het nuvolari 
[19:25] <nuvolari> my mom is still scared of flying over the water. My parents are going to Auz next month
[19:25] <Kilos> can i get in her suitcase?
[19:25] <nuvolari> I guess if you go on a really quick-strict-diet
[19:25] <nuvolari> :P
[19:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:26] <Kilos> i go sleep now guys. have a good night
[19:26] <Kilos> night all
[19:26] <charlvn> ciao Kilos 
[19:26] <nuvolari> ok oom Kilos 
[19:26] <nuvolari> lekker slaap
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: good night
[19:26] <Kilos> jy ook dankie seun
[19:26] <inetpro> good luck with Ian
[19:26] <Kilos> night inetpro 
[19:27] <Kilos> ty very much will let you guys know tomorrow
[19:30] <inetpro> charlvn: am I correct in assuming that a SSL enabled connection to freenode will use more bandwidth than without SSL?
[19:31] <inetpro> I wonder how much of a difference it would make
[19:32] <charlvn> i don't think it will make a huge difference
[19:33] <charlvn> inetpro: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/548029/how-much-overhead-does-ssl-impose
[19:35] <inetpro> very interesting, thanks
[19:36] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping
[19:36] <inetpro> charlvn: I guess then that together with encryption they also use compression is some clever way?
[19:39] <inetpro> another interesting read: http://www.belshe.com/2010/11/18/ssl-compression-and-you/
[19:39] <inetpro> The authors of SSL knew that if youâ€™re going to encrypt data, you need to compress it before you encrypt it....
[19:39] <charlvn> yeah totally
[19:40] <inetpro> hmm... "the compression battle has been waging for 15 years now, and it is still not over..."
[19:43] <inetpro> clearly there's no single hard-and-fast answer
[19:44] <nuvolari> my bed won the fight. I'm out
[19:44] <nuvolari> g'night everyone
[19:44] <inetpro> nuvolari: heh
[19:44] <inetpro> good night
[19:47] <charlvn> nn nuvolari 
[19:47] <charlvn> ciao all
[19:48] <Mezenir> im out too
[19:48] <Mezenir> gnite
[20:33] <tumbleweed> superfly: pong
[20:35] <superfly> tumbleweed: running backportpackage was giving me issues, but I ran sbuild instead, and I came right
[20:35] <superfly> However, I'm getting an SSL verification error with "requestbackport" at the moment
[20:36] <tumbleweed> superfly: oh, ouch
[20:36] <superfly> Not sure how to get that fixed... maybe check all my packages are up-to-date
[20:36] <tumbleweed> superfly: stack trace?
[20:37] <superfly> tumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/F1Z8feDk
[20:37] <tumbleweed> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py <- there's your problem
[20:37] <tumbleweed> see the /usr/local ?
[20:38] <tumbleweed> oh, local launchpadlib too
[20:38] <superfly> hrm, yes
[20:38] <superfly> lemme see if I can fix that
[20:39]  * tumbleweed suggests blowing all that stuff away and using packaged httplib2 + launchpadlib
[20:49] <superfly> tumbleweed: I thought it was packaged, so definitely
[21:02] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm getting a "Source changed by <user@computer>" - is there a way I can set that to my actual credentials?
[21:03] <superfly> (I'm running "backportpackage -u ppa:<lp username>/<ppa name> -s quantal -d precise openlp" )
[21:03] <tumbleweed> is that a brand new backportpackage?
[21:03] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, I haven't done any setup
[21:04] <tumbleweed> let's assume it uses DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL like everything else
[21:05]  * superfly tries again
[21:07] <tumbleweed> don't worry too much about that, a backporter will do the real backport
[21:14] <superfly> they just have a list of things you've done that you need to check off, so I thought I'd try again with their proposed command.
[21:15] <superfly> tumbleweed: but, it looks like your tip worked, thanks :-)
[21:38] <superfly> tumbleweed: FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1003143
[21:38]  * superfly goes to bed
[22:10] <tumbleweed> superfly: backported already, apparently
[22:18] <tumbleweed> 00:17  * cjwatson eyes openlp and wonders if he can get the local primary school  to stop using Powerpoint for projecting hymns ...
[22:18] <tumbleweed> ^ superfly has caught ubuntu archive admin's interest