[01:21] <micahg> knome: I'd like to set an address for the xubuntu-artwork team, do you mind if I set it to xubuntu-devel@l.u.c?
[01:22] <micahg> this should prevent e-mail from going to recipients when the team is subscribed to a bug
[01:38] <bluesabre-laptop> knome: I know this is a late request, but can we enable the monitor power management (monitor to standby instead of black but on) for 12.10?  Or does it not work properly?
[05:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: congrats on being the top uploader in quantal :) http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-activity/
[05:51] <pleia2> micahg: I used to do debian package (well, still have one package in debian), are there bite-size ways I can help out?
[05:51] <pleia2> disappointed I got out of it, mostly because my job went very sysadminy rather than sticking to the debian package stuff, mostly I'm just maintaining packages at work now
[05:52] <micahg> pleia2: sure, bug fixes, merges
[05:53]  * micahg isn't up on the list of what needs to be done, most is done in Debian
[05:54] <pleia2> ok, I'll have a look around debian xfce
[05:54] <pleia2> ah, svn :)
[05:55] <micahg> I'm sure Debian xfce would love help with bugs and what not (I'm sure we could use the help as well)
[05:56] <pleia2> thanks
[05:57] <micahg> and if you need sponsoring in Ubuntu, I'm happy to help
[05:58] <pleia2> much appreciated, I've never actually contributed directly to Ubuntu dev stuff
[06:00] <micahg> we've only got ~200 devs for all of Ubuntu, we definitely can use more
[06:00] <micahg> err..I should say 200  uploaders
[06:00]  * pleia2 nods
[06:01] <ochosi> morning
[06:01] <pleia2> I'm not quite up to speed with current tools, I was only really active in debian for a few years from 2006-2008ish
[06:02] <micahg> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging are great places to hang out to learn
[06:03] <micahg> and ask questions as well
[06:07] <pleia2> I still lurk in #debian-mentors, should probably join -motu and -packaging to see how things are on this side of things
[06:09] <micahg> yeah, #debian-mentors is good too
[06:45] <ochosi> strange bug, ristretto hangs when started from thunar with exo-open (could be a 4.10 ppa regression)
[06:59] <ochosi> mr_pouit: just uploaded a mockup for the --minimal dialog to the spec
[07:09] <ochosi> does anyone have a clue why my image-attachment in ubuntu-wiki is scaled up?
[07:11] <knome> micahg, sounds fine
[07:11] <micahg> knome: no, haven't looked at the development pages yet, I'd be happy to have people applying for xubuntu-dev if it's desired
[07:12] <micahg> err...xubuntu packageset
[07:12] <knome> heh, yeah :)
[07:13] <knome> it would be great if we could have *some* kind of "mentoring"
[07:13] <knome> i don't know what that would actually mean... but when people come asking how they can help us on the programming/packaging side, i don't know where exactly to point them
[07:14] <micahg> knome: we just had that discussion about an hour ago :)
[07:15] <knome> micahg, mm-hmm; unfortunately, the website is not updated accordingly
[07:15] <knome> micahg, i mean, what i'd actually like to do with the website/wiki is the same we've done for the rest of the areas of contribution:
[07:16] <knome> micahg, put anything that end-users or people *starting to contribute* to website, and only those things that developers need to reference *when already contributing* to wiki
[07:31] <ochosi> how can i add a TOC to a page in the ubuntu wiki?
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[07:32] <knome> or <<TableOfContents()>>
[07:33] <ochosi> wow, that looks very ugly
[07:33] <ochosi> i thought it would be positioned to the right and thrown in a box automatically
[07:33] <ochosi> but this plain list is really useless
[08:08] <knome> hmm. i wonder if there was some ubuntu template then
[08:08] <knome> that was moinmoin standard
[08:09] <ochosi> yeah, i haven't found anything else than that either
[08:39] <astraljava> ||<tablestyle="float:right; font-size: 0.9em; width:40%; margin: 1em 1em 0 0;" style="padding:0.5em; background:#F1F1ED;"><<TableOfContents>>||
[08:39] <ochosi> thanks
[08:39] <ochosi> found one in older xubuntu patges
[08:39] <ochosi> there really should be a template for this
[08:40] <astraljava> Ok, I found it on the Studio meeting minutes page.
[08:41] <ochosi> astraljava: btw, if you have input on the spec (might be interesting for -studio as well), let me know: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors
[08:41] <ochosi> and feel free to pass it around
[08:41] <ochosi> it's still unfinished though
[08:44] <astraljava> ochosi: I'm positive it'll be interesting for many Studio users, as screen space is much needed in many functions. Thanks! I'll have a look, and mention it on #ubuntustudio-devel as well.
[08:44] <ochosi> thanks
[08:55] <ochosi> i'm updating that spec with more mockups on the go, will take a bit longer till it's finished
[10:22] <knome> idea, which i'll also present in the reviewed strategy document:
[10:22] <knome> 1) do a few contributions, and you'll be able to join a team (like art, or web) for 'probation'
[10:23] <knome> 2) continue contributing and indicate motivation to contribute perpetually, and you'll be accepted to the team
[10:39] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: the custom date dialog looks good! all in all, very nice improvements there!
[10:40] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: humm, while the mime-list is kinda nice, it's also far too long... :)
[10:43] <bluesabre-laptop> ochosi: Yes, the mimetype list is insanely long.  I could get rid of it, or try to split it into 2 comboboxes
[10:43] <ochosi> maybe there's a better list we could use instead
[10:43] <ochosi> i'll try to ask around
[10:45] <bluesabre-laptop> cool, thanks.  The mimetypes also has a list of file extensions with it, which is just as long but possibly more friendly
[10:45] <ochosi> right
[10:45] <ochosi> what about grouping them?
[10:45] <ochosi> i mean everything with application/... goes into "application"
[10:46] <ochosi> (like the Group function in mysql)
[10:46] <ochosi> cause if you only want a single extension you most likely know the name and then it's always quicker to enter that by hand
[10:47] <bluesabre-laptop> that's currently what the others do (documents = text, pictures = image, etc)
[10:47] <ochosi> yeah
[10:47] <ochosi> but there are more choices in the combobox, no?
[10:47] <ochosi> (about applications: we could really limit them by extension)
[10:48] <bluesabre-laptop> agreed
[10:48] <ochosi> btw, is the custom extension filter supposed to work alreadyß
[10:48] <bluesabre-laptop> it was working with my limited testing
[10:48] <ochosi> right
[10:48] <ochosi> cause it seems it can "get stuck"
[10:49] <ochosi> after trying the filter (no results) and updating the searchterm nothing happens anymore
[10:49] <bluesabre-laptop> yikes
[10:49] <ochosi> i get "IndexError: string index out of range"
[10:49] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05222012-124944pm.php
[10:50] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll poke around with it a bit today and see what I can come up with
[10:51] <ochosi> sure
[10:51] <bluesabre-laptop> I probably have my nested if statements in the wrong order
[10:51] <ochosi> anyway, the other filters are working great
[10:51] <bluesabre-laptop> awesome
[10:51] <ochosi> i'll give it more testing to be able to give you more feedback
[10:51] <bluesabre-laptop> sounds good.  I was really pleased with myself when I got the date filters to work
[10:52] <ochosi> :)
[10:52] <ochosi> yeah, they'er pretty cool
[10:52] <ochosi> and the menu button is also working/looking nicely now :)
[10:53] <ochosi> ah
[10:53] <ochosi> the custom date filter doesn't automatically update the search-results
[10:53] <ochosi> i have to execute the search again
[10:53] <bluesabre-laptop> woops
[10:53] <bluesabre-laptop> easy fix (hopefully)
[10:53] <ochosi> :)
[10:54] <ochosi> but the filtering works for as much as i can tell
[10:55] <ochosi> the dateformat is very american btw
[10:55] <ochosi> (in the last-modified column)
[10:55] <bluesabre-laptop> supposed, it should format based on locale
[10:55] <ochosi> yeah, that would be ideal
[10:55] <ochosi> but atm it's the same in thunar, so...
[10:56] <ochosi> it's something for final polishing
[10:56] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll set up a european vm for some extra testing, :D
[10:56] <ochosi> hehe
[10:56] <ochosi> i think you can install a different locale and switch
[10:56] <ochosi> i think 2px padding on the left side of the statusbar would be good
[10:56] <ochosi> otherwise the font looks glued to the edge
[10:57] <bluesabre-laptop> yeah, but my spanish has been slipping anyway, could use the practice
[10:57] <ochosi> :)
[10:58] <ochosi> in that case: venga!
[10:58] <ochosi> (or if you learned your .es in .mx: ándale! arriba! ándale!)
[10:59] <bluesabre-laptop> haha
[11:05] <bluesabre-laptop> calendar filtering is fixed, padding is added.
[11:05] <bluesabre-laptop> bbl
[11:08] <ochosi> cya
[12:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm, the custom extension entering doesn't seem to work for me
[12:54] <ochosi> however the calendar works great now
[12:54] <ochosi> (i just have to improve greybird's theming of that widget)
[12:56] <ochosi> another common error-source: tick a few filters and then hide the advanced-sidebar
[12:56] <ochosi> the filters will remain active and hinder all future searches until catfish gets restarted
[12:56] <ochosi> my suggestion is to reset all filters when the advanced-sidebar is hidden/deactivated
[12:57] <ochosi> bluesabre, bluesabre-laptop ^ :)
[12:57] <bluesabre> good idea
[12:57] <ochosi> ah
[12:57] <ochosi> wasn't sure which nick you're using
[12:57] <bluesabre> always a mystery
[12:57] <ochosi> why are you using two at the same time btw?
[12:57] <bluesabre> laptop at home/vm at work
[12:58] <ochosi> right, but the laptop seems to be always on, right?
[12:58] <bluesabre> our network is tied down, so I can't remote out
[12:58] <ochosi> oh
[12:58] <ochosi> i see
[12:58] <ochosi> that makes sense then
[12:59] <bluesabre> I figured that it had to get confusing
[12:59] <ochosi> :)
[12:59] <ochosi> nah, it's fine
[12:59] <ochosi> i'll just be twice as annoying pinging you twice ;)
[13:01] <ochosi> i just discovered another bug
[13:02] <ochosi> when you open and close the about-dialog a few times it'll break at some point
[13:02] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/751119/
[13:02] <ochosi> so something is fishy there
[13:02] <ochosi> error-messages above ^
[13:04] <bluesabre> I think I know how to fix that
[13:04] <ochosi> okie
[13:04] <bluesabre> this is going to be one stable app
[13:04]  * ochosi is keeping his fingers crossed
[13:04] <ochosi> ;)
[13:05] <ochosi> a tooltip for the "search thoroughly" would also be good
[13:06] <ochosi> btw, do you like that wording? (after all you're the native speaker)
[13:06] <bluesabre> Sounded fine to me.
[13:06] <ochosi> cool
[13:06] <ochosi> oh and the duplication i mentioned earlier with $searchterm in the statusbar
[13:06] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:07] <ochosi> i think it's safe to drop that
[13:07] <bluesabre> I'm just going to remove it
[13:07] <ochosi> because i just noticed the window-border also contains $searchterm :)
[13:07] <bluesabre> I was looking at the windows search (gasp) and they have it at the top, and only the number at the bottom, made sense
[13:07] <ochosi> mhm
[13:08] <laite> ochosi: what would you say about changing the scrollbars blue: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05222012-040521pm.php
[13:08] <laite> too much blue?
[13:08] <ochosi> yeah, also it's better to have it in the window-title, because then the window is more easily identified (alt-tab, panel,..)
[13:09] <ochosi> laite: heh, it's pretty blue, yeah :) but it doesn't look bad
[13:09] <bluesabre> laite: what audio player is that?
[13:09] <laite> bluesabre: gmusicbrowser =)
[13:09] <ochosi> laite: to the least you can make the hover-color blue
[13:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: this is basically where laite and me got to know each other :)
[13:09] <laite> ochosi: yeah, that might work better
[13:10] <bluesabre> I like that interface arrangement
[13:11] <laite> Thanks, it's been a work in progress for a long time, but pretty much steady for now :)
[13:17] <ochosi> laite: any thoughts on the catfish-revamp?
[13:18] <laite> ochosi: it looks to shape up pretty good :)
[13:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: say, is it possible that suggestions stop working after one search?
[13:18] <laite> for me, 'search thoroughly' seems a bit clumsy though, but I don't know what would be better
[13:19] <ochosi> laite: if you have a better idea later feel free to let us know :)
[13:19] <bluesabre> ochosi:  It's possible, I'm not sure why it would happen though
[13:19] <laite> I mean, it sounds like the application does lousy job on the first run, and that is not a good image for end-user to have :)
[13:20] <bluesabre> laite: Quick Search vs Deep Search?
[13:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i think i can narrow it down: if you search for the same searchterm again, it doesn't pop up suggestions anymore
[13:20] <laite> bluesabre: much better
[13:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: (i mean while the results are still there)
[13:20] <bluesabre> thats odd
[13:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: still works for me?
[13:22] <ochosi> my bad, i used a searchterm that (for some reason) doesn't show me any suggestions the first time
[13:22] <ochosi> laite: what do you think of executing an action (exo-open) on suggestions that are actually filenames instead of searching for a filename?
[13:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think another good option would be "close catfish after executing action" (i.e. if you double-click to exo-open a file from the result-set it closes itself)
[13:24] <laite> ochosi: exo-open on double clicking is must, but I'm not really sure what you mean by 'is a filename'
[13:24] <ochosi> laite: i'm talking about the suggestions-popup
[13:24] <laite> oh, right
[13:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'm not so sure about that.  If somebody is looking for a specific image or something, they might want to open several
[13:25] <laite> I think it sounds good
[13:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, probably, that's why i'd make it optional
[13:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: but it could get in the way if you always have to close the programme that actually just lost focus
[13:25] <bluesabre> true
[13:26] <laite> would it be too much a hassle if there was somethign like ctrl+click to open but not closing catfish?
[13:27] <laite> when 'close when double-clicking' is selected
[13:30] <ochosi> laite: the question is less: is it too much of a hassle, it's more: is it discoverable enough?
[13:30] <ochosi> we could just as well map it to middle-click
[13:31] <laite> true, I actually thought of that from web browsers, but since my mouse's middleclick has been broken for a while I've gotten used to ctrl+click links =D
[13:31] <ochosi> heh
[13:31] <ochosi> you know, mice aren't that expensive anymore ;)
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[13:32] <laite> But I really like my current one :P
[13:33] <mr_pouit> micahg: easy with ~80 no-change rebuilds :P
[15:24] <ochosi> bbl
[17:47] <astraljava> knome: If you're wondering whether the poll gets relatively few voters, it could be due to not being able to save your submissions on doodle.
[17:47] <knome> astraljava, huh?
[17:47] <knome> astraljava, can you elaborate :)
[17:48] <astraljava> knome: I did everything by the book, but still the save button remained disabled.
[17:48] <knome> astraljava, hmm. js disabled?
[17:48] <astraljava> Let me check.
[17:49] <astraljava> Voi lollero, I cannot even see how to do that in Chrome. :D
[17:49] <knome> lawl.
[17:56] <astraljava> Ahh... found it eventually. No, js is enabled.
[17:56] <knome> weird
[18:59] <ochosi> good, now i also have an excuse for the doodle :)
[19:06] <astraljava> *smirk*
[19:07] <ochosi> astraljava: btw, the catfish-project of bluesabre might also be of interest for u-studio
[19:19] <astraljava> ochosi: Ok, what's that about? I haven't been able to follow the discussion, really.
[19:20] <astraljava> Btw., knome, ochosi: I figured the issue out with doodle. It won't let you save in the Calendar view, but in the Table view.
[19:20] <ochosi> astraljava: catfish is the (rather old) tool for searching in xubuntu, i guess in u-studio as well
[19:20] <astraljava> Stupid design to even show the Save button in the Calendar view at all.
[19:20] <ochosi> astraljava: bluesabre is working on reviving and improving it
[19:20] <ochosi> yeah, +1 on doodle
[19:22] <astraljava> ochosi: Interesting. I haven't used it at all, and don't even wanna check now, cause I still haven't my desktop running (no tables for that), and I hate having to run it in Parallels. :)
[19:22] <ochosi> heh, doesn't sound very convenient
[19:24] <astraljava> Not really, no. The bedroom|study is quite small, and I'd need to put the table against the window, but there's the radiator in a very inconvenient height, so I need to get slightly taller legs for the tabletop. I can do that on the next pay day the earliest, though. :)
[19:37] <ochosi> heh
[19:37] <ochosi> i see
[19:55] <ochosi> night everyone!