[00:03] http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/ [00:07] KombuchaKip: The first comment on there made me chuckle [00:08] mlsmith: LOL ;) [00:24] hi, I had ubuntu 12.04, I apt-get install xubuntu-desktop but how do I make this my default session? instead of unity? [00:24] and I dont mean choose a session when I start, I want it default [00:30] surely this is something that is done quite commonly [00:36] stueng: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins [00:37] i think it's in your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf [00:38] but when i used ubuntu 11.10, i just clicked on one and it automatically defaulted to it [00:38] you shouldn't have to mess with config files [00:38] just pick one, and bam, it's the defaul [00:44] what seems to be the problem? [00:47] GridCube: in ubuntu 12.04 and lightdm, cliking on a session automatically makes it default, right? [00:48] it should, only if you dont use autologin [00:49] if you use autologin you need to manually edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and change the default there [00:51] like this line: user-session=xubuntu [00:51] GridCube: just to clarify, i was answering somebody else's problem :) [00:51] :) [00:51] but thanks [01:35] Anyone know what happened to the thunar-shares-plugin? Was it abandoned? === zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan [02:27] !info thunar-shares-plugin [02:27] Package thunar-shares-plugin does not exist in precise [02:27] it seems like [02:46] I have xfce4 on 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04-11.10) and it worked nicely, but now when I start a xfce session I have no window decorations and my keyboard isn't working, my guess is that compiz is starting as a windows manager instead of metacity or whatever and compiz is stomping on my interface. Since my keyboard isn't working I can't type "metacity --replace" and have to kill X. What can I do to ensure that compiz isn't activated [02:47] Gnumatic: remove it [02:47] Won't that screw up Unity if I want to use it? [02:48] I was kind of hoping for a less drastic solution. [02:48] Gnumatic: i would just run metacity --replace on startup [02:49] I would, but my keyboard isn't working in xfce. Is there a XFCE-specific startup script that I could add that to? [02:54] Gnumatic: i would get the keyboard working in XFCE first [02:55] Maybe if I disable compositing. Unfortunately when I run xfce4-settings-manager from KDE the fields in Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are greyed out. [02:55] But it seems like I can access the Application Autostart applet in Session & Startup. [02:58] I disabled a couple of things, I'll try to log in to Xubuntu again, if it doesn't work I can try adding a "metacity --replace" script there. Is metacity the normal XFCE window manager? [02:58] Or is it xfwm? [03:01] I guess it is xfwm4. === usa_today[AFK] is now known as usa_today === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [08:44] Hi, i have a problem since 12.04 LTS: Everytime i go to standby there is ~ 50% chance that after wakeup there is a black "fog" on the screen [08:44] only the coursor is white and unaffected [08:45] it looks like that what comes on the desktop if a policy kit dialog pops up [08:45] but without the dialog [08:46] i can use everything, but it all very dark, and it does not go away until i relogin. [09:20] hi there [09:22] guess would be better to join in a screen when trying to fix x-problems :) [09:23] yesterday i accidentally ubgraded from 11.04 to 12.04 and now I am having troubles with xfce running via my usb-vga-adapter (need this to attach 2nd monitor to my laptop) [09:24] full resolution works, desktop is showing and such, but I cannot move windows or maximize them... ich can resize them but they keep jumping to the upper left corner upon resize [09:26] actually i _can_ move them but only in the space they are using when shown... [09:26] damn, this is hard to describe :) [09:27] additionally no menues are working... neither the "home/start"-menu nor any rightclick on the desktop [09:31] oh thats bad [09:31] perhaps purge your gconf and start over? [09:31] does that work on xfce [09:31] i just reinstalled the system with a fresh 12.04 [09:31] same problem :/ [09:32] there must be some difference between 11.04 and 12.04 that is causing this behaviour [09:32] kde is able to handle windows on that display [09:33] but i do not like kde (still on core2duo, not enough for kde) [09:35] yeah lag sux [09:36] since kde is able to handle windows there i don't think it is a problem with the usb-vga-adapter [09:36] or they do have some fancy workarounds hacked in :) [09:37] car^screen: you could perhaps ask from #xfce, might be better place to get answers for that [09:37] might be, i will give it a try [09:43] has anyone here upgraded to xfce 4.10 using the ppa yet? [09:43] any issues? [09:43] no issues for me [09:43] does the indicator applet still work? [09:44] i use a bunch of gnome/ubuntu stuff in the panel [09:44] meh, i'll just go for it [09:45] no issues with 4.10 but on VM only [09:45] will not do that on production machines === magnus___ is now known as malcominmiddle [09:57] Jonne_, please note that the ppa is not officially supported [09:58] i know [09:58] half the stuff on this box is not supported [09:58] yup, just mentioning :) [10:11] hola [10:12] hello [10:16] Hola. [10:16] ¿Hello? [10:18] hello [10:22] Hi. [10:23] ahoi [10:38] bonjour, hello [10:39] fenoamby: hi [10:39] gordonjcp > french ou english ? [11:35] fenoamby: non, je n'suis pas anglais, je suis ecossais [11:36] fenoamby: mais je parle un petit petit peu francais ;-) [11:43] gordonjcp i want to install a ?buntu version (X for a light version with a XP 2200+ and 512 RAM) but the installation block. I try Knoppix and there is no problem [11:45] fenoamby: You could try the alternate installer, that should be able to cope with those resources. [11:46] i try the alternate version on a USB Key, but the installation try to mount the CD/DVD and it stop [11:47] Sorry for my english (i m french)... [11:51] I wonder, why Xubuntu LiveCD on USB doubled the repositories, I have cdrom and ethernet :) it is normal? [11:55] fenoamby: How did you create the USB stick? [11:56] olbi: You should just comment out the cdrom, as that's obviously going to be outdated pretty quickly. [11:56] i DL the xubuntu alternate iso and i use Unetbootwin [11:56] astraljava> i DL the xubuntu alternate iso and i use Unetbootwin [11:59] fenoamby: what does it get stuck on? [12:00] fenoamby: your English is way better than my French ;-) [12:02] gordonjcp > the installer try to find the CD/DVD and i block [12:03] I did it in USC or edit sources.list :P But didn't know about this error :P [12:04] I use UNetBootIn on Ubuntu or Universal USB Installer on Windows 7 [12:07] fenoamby: Hmm... that's strange, I'm gonna have to give it a go when I get home. Can't really help until that, sorry. [12:35] anyone here? [12:35] Anyone know the best way to create window boarders in xfce :? [13:03] i try again an install but the installer want to mount the DVD Drive and the installation Stop [14:25] Installing xubuntu 12.04. Looks nice [14:31] valdur55: good to hear [14:34] Why is risetto and gthumb default installed? [14:34] are * [14:36] gthumb can import photos from cameras, ristretto is lighter to quickly look at images [14:40] my panels are suppose to be clear but for some reason they are grey and i cant find the appearance settings to make them invisible again [14:42] hey fellas! [14:42] Ok. Do i have double envice installed? [14:43] ystesta, enable display compositing [14:43] Yoshimi-pink: maybe you switched off compositing? [14:43] Yoshimi-pink, ^ [14:43] I see it on Office and Graphics [14:43] I managed to get xubuntu working after screwing it up badly, but now I decided to swing by to see if you have any suggestions for things I should download [14:43] how could i find out if i did? [14:43] valdur55, no, it's possible apps are visible oin multiple menus [14:43] :x like theme packs and stuff [14:45] oh sweet [14:45] thanks guise [14:46] ystesta, if you want to change the appearance, see xfce-look.org (for xfwm and gtk themes) and gnome-look.org (for gtk themes) - however, please note that many gtk themes aren't supporting gtk3 well yet [14:47] knome, thanks! [14:47] sure beats searching for packs in the console [14:48] o_o however I have just stumbled onto a worrying complication [14:48] can't log in as root [14:48] you shouldn't log in as root. [14:48] it's disabled by default, you can enable it it by setting a password for the account [14:49] I thought I had one [14:49] !root | ystesta, mips1911 [14:49] ystesta, mips1911: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [14:49] that's a bit misleading [14:49] mips1911, that's to say, enabling root is the least encouraged thing to do. [14:50] freedom of choice. [14:50] thanks for the tip [14:50] ystesta, you shouldn't, not with a default install. use sudo [14:50] mips1911, of course, but if you have enabled root, you "void your warranty" [14:50] linux comes without any warranties [14:50] and you use at your own risk [14:51] mips1911, xubuntu has community suppot - but if you enable root and anything bad comes out of it, you're out of luck - it is not supported on xubuntu [14:51] knome, thanks for the tip! [14:51] ystesta, no problem :) [14:51] knome, I know. Like I said use at your own risk. [14:52] for some reason this whole time I felt I had to log in as root to do stuff in the console [14:52] my ignorance of linux is vast and unprecedented :D [14:52] mips1911, well, yes, after i told you it's not supported on xubuntu. this is not an argument - please don't tell people to enable root [14:53] ystesta, in that case you should not use it. [14:53] ystesta, fortunately there is all kind of tutorials and support channels :) [14:54] knome, I did not tell anyone to use root. I just said it's disabled and it can be enabled by setting it's password. [14:54] ystesta, a good rule of thumb is that if you don't know what you are doing, don't :) [14:54] there is nothing factually incorrect or encouraging in what I said. [14:54] knome, I'll take advantage of that when I break everything again [14:54] mips1911, okay, to be nitpicky then, please don't do that again then. [14:55] You can use sudo -s for root shell === usa_today[AFK] is now known as usa_today [14:55] usa_today, hello? [14:55] knome, ok in future I will tell people to use google. I'm not gonna lie to them. [14:56] mips1911, no, don't tell people to "use google". you can use the !root factoid, which explains why enabling root account is not suggested [14:56] !root [14:56] Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [14:57] knome, that factoid is false to a degree. Anybody that googles this out of their own free will will get a gazillion hits on how to do it. [14:57] valdur55, yeah, "sudo -s" is muuuuch better :) [14:57] root with a valid login is obsolete [14:58] basically there should be a script that zeroes out all attached disks if it detects a valid root password has been set [14:58] mips1911, sure. but that factoid tells they are using it at their own risk and that it is not encouraged - with explanations - which many of the sites from google do not do [14:58] knome, if you look at the link in the factoid it will even tell you how to enable root and this is a official ubuntu site. [14:58] "ok, there's a valid root password! rm -rf / time!" [14:58] root passwords made sense 30 years ago, not now [14:59] mips1911, yes, but it is after long explanations and with caution. [14:59] mips1911, as i said, this is not an argument. please don't tell people they can enable root account, or point them to google. you can use the !root factoid, if necessary. [15:00] knome, ok I will tell them to look at the root factoid which will tell them how to do it anyway. Same thing at the end of the day. [15:01] mips1911, no, it's not. most people do not want to enable root, they just think they need to because some tutorial or user told them to [15:01] mips1911, or because they thought there was, or should have been, a root account [15:02] got a really general question for you [15:02] what is GTK [15:02] knome, I will just point to !root factoid in future and leave them be. [15:02] gnome toolkit I think [15:02] mips1911, thanks [15:02] yes, that's it [15:02] is it an alternate theming thing or is it something that runs alongside the default theming thing [15:02] actually, gimp toolkit ;) [15:02] I'm an expert in all teminology [15:03] knome, yes gimp [15:03] ystesta, it is a toolkit that defines how different widgets are drawn [15:03] ystesta, you need a theme to change the default appearance [15:04] ystesta, themes basically tell GTK that "you need to draw the button like this" etc. [15:04] I managed to nab a couple and I'm trying to figure out where to put them [15:04] oh [15:04] so GTK manages all the themes? [15:04] well, gtk is linked only with gtk themes. [15:05] what's the other sort of themes? [15:05] xfwm or something? [15:05] xfwm themes, which control the window borders [15:05] hm [15:05] but gtk, that controls more than window borders [15:05] how do I know which ones I'm choosin'? [15:06] the buttons, text areas and anything else inside the windows, and usually panel appearance too [15:06] ystesta, xfce-look.org should tell you whether the theme is gtk or xfwm [15:06] oh it does, but I don't know where to put them [15:06] where in the settings menu do I find the gtk settings and the xfwm settings [15:07] under /home/yourusername/.themes/ [15:07] or is it just appearance and window manager, respectively [15:07] yep [15:08] and if there isn't a .themes here, I just make one? [15:08] yep [15:08] (looking at all the hidden folders) [15:08] ah okay [15:10] yeah that didn't work [15:11] do I save it as .tar.bz in there [15:11] extract it [15:13] fantastic! [15:13] now, is it the same for mice? [15:13] and anything goes in .themes, gtk or xfwm? [15:15] ystesta, both gtk and xfwm go to ~/.themes [15:15] ystesta, i think cursor themes too [15:16] cool [15:18] what if they don't show up? [15:19] of all the ones I put in there, only one came around [15:30] haha figured it out === usa_today[AFK] is now known as usa_today [15:35] Hello, can someone help me? [15:36] I accidently removede the volume control from the panel.. I can finf pulse audio, but not the simples volume control [15:37] xubuntu052: i think what you want to add back in is "indicator plugin" [15:38] Thasnks! I'll give it a shot. [15:48] quick question [15:48] where do new fonts go? [15:49] i want to install Xubuntu but the installer crash with a Desktop version or an alternate === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [15:51] it's an USB dongle. with the alternate, the installer want to mount the DVD/CD drive and stop. i add "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" in the command before installing but it try to mount it. [16:08] Hi, I'm testing the latest Xubuntu and so far I'm pleased with it, so I want to install it on my hard drive. [16:09] Can this be done from an usb device? [16:09] (I don't have a DVD drive on the target computer) [16:09] xubuntutest: yep: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [16:10] pretty common method these days, a lot of systems don't have optical drives [16:10] This is a desktop from 2005-ish, but the DVD-drive is broken. [16:10] Thanks for the link. [16:11] Another question would be: for some reason Abiword refuses to use the Clearlooks or any gtk2-based theme. Is this normal? [16:11] It looks fine with the Bluebird theme though. [16:16] Also, to whoever is responsible for the font quality in xubuntu: thank you. This may be the first time I actually like fonts in a linux distribution. [16:21] hey fellas, I have another question [16:21] I tried to modify a theme but after I did that it refused to use the GTK colors [16:22] I basically altered the brightness of pixels [16:22] did I just commit a travesty? [16:23] ystesta: are you talking about modifying window borders/titlebar? [16:23] or gtk2/gtk3-theming [16:28] laite, modifying one of the window managers [16:29] I suppose that's the correct way to say it? [16:29] ystesta: gtk-colors are taken by .xpm-files, see http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme#from_wikipedia_the_free_encyclopedia [16:29] I might just bite the bullet and make all my stuff [16:29] :| I modified the .xpm files [16:29] shooot [16:30] laite, so why would modifying one part of an xpm file change the whole deal? [16:30] you'll just have to take note of colors and edit .xpm manually by text editor to get them link 'real color' and wanted 'gtk color' [16:31] I did that though [16:31] ystesta: when .xpm are saved by image handling program, like GIMP, it loses gtk links (I think) [16:31] oh [16:31] so they have to be manually rewritten [16:31] :| how do I fix that [16:32] you could load original images, take note of gtk-colors from them and use them after you modify pictures [16:32] also, that xfce4 wiki page I linked might be useful to read as a whole [16:33] you can e.g. use one .xpm and one .png to form a single 'image' to window border === usa_today[AFK] is now known as usa_today [16:35] hmm [16:36] wow I had it very wrong [16:36] is it true that a theme basically has a handful of colors working for it? [16:38] for gtk that is [16:58] well I helped it out a little [16:58] I suppose the only way to make it satisfying is to change everything and learn how it all works === usa_today[AFK] is now known as usa_today === crond_ is now known as crond === xwalk is now known as xwalk_ === xwalk is now known as xwalk_ [18:40] hi, anyone know how to get the brightness app remember it's setting between boots? [18:51] any one know how to make script for desktop changing? [18:59] hi [18:59] i cant install xfce 4.10 [19:00] Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection. [19:00] my internet connnection is working [19:00] did you check your sources.list file [19:02] ??? [19:02] how can i do this [19:03] ok i resolved my problem [19:04] ok [19:04] :) [19:05] what was the problem, typo? [19:19] g'day [19:19] g'day [19:20] could anyone be so kind to tell me why the audio volume doesn't change when i try to set it via keyboard? (Fn + F8/F9) [19:20] i use xubuntu 12.04 btw [19:21] hello guys... a question for you... [19:21] hmm maybe your keyboard shortcuts aren't working right? [19:22] Hi, I am using xubuntu net book as a printer server, since i dont need the whole desktop to load up ( i do need it to connect to wireless and see printer is plugged in via usb and execute one small script ), is there any way to reduce the boot time? [19:26] shpank I think u can make a keyboard shortcut for that [19:28] i installed xfce 4.10 and it works great [19:28] shpank, or if the Fn key doesnt work with other stuff perhaps that is not functioning right [19:28] xuserr, what was the problem before [19:28] rbrt: the shortcut works. the applet thingy shows up properly [19:28] some value gets changed [19:28] but not the right one [19:28] shpank: http://askubuntu.com/questions/137421/volume-keys-working-in-unity-but-not-xfce4 [19:29] rbrt: no problem before [19:29] and i can't find out which one it's trying to change [19:29] but i want to try xfce 4.10 [19:29] xuserr, oh ok [19:30] say some way to make wallpaper changer [19:31] shpank, maybe try making a different shortcut to see if it works? [19:32] where do i have to make that shortcut? [19:33] milen8204: right click desktop, select desktop setting, hit the + and pick your wallpaper [19:34] i want automatically change trough a period of time [19:36] milen8204, https://launchpad.net/desktopnova [19:36] never used it though [19:37] rbrt, thanks [19:37] you welcome [19:38] rbrt, I tried that application but it does not work for me [19:38] milen8204, ok maybe this iwll work for you http://sites.google.com/site/theitnotes/desktop/how-to-configure-the-wallpaper-to-periodically-rotate-in-xubuntu [19:39] Hi there [19:39] hi [19:39] can anyone help me with a sh script that I want to run from desktop launcher in xubuntu x64 system?? [19:40] rbrt, I cant understand that :D [19:40] :) [19:40] ok, i will explane in short [19:40] milen8204, yeah thats why i showed you the program [19:41] I have WebStorm IDE and it starts from a sh script [19:41] I want to make a desktop launcher and start it from there [19:41] rbrt, ok thanks [19:41] but the script doesn't start at all from launcher [19:42] it start if I write in console the exactly same command [19:42] rbrt: thanks for the help. after setting the shortcut again and logging out it works [19:43] shpank, oh good!...it's hard to determine where to start with that because sometimes those function keys are all messed up and you need a driver [19:43] I wasn't sure how much of an issue you were having lol [19:43] hello! [19:43] hi! [19:44] milen8204, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1272105 [19:44] can i ask a question regarding shortcut keys in xubuntu [19:44] ? [19:44] milen8204, you can try ot read through that if you like,, it's just a script [19:44] xubuntu155, I think so? [19:45] rbrt, ok I will try that thanks a lot [19:45] :) [19:45] i ave a problem: fn + key combination works perfectly [19:45] but i would like to use single key to control the volume [19:46] in ubuntu its possible but in xubuntu i cant do it [19:47] anyone? [19:48] you want to use one key press? [19:48] yes! [19:48] like say letter 'v' ? [19:48] im confused with the question [19:48] well instead of using fn+f4 lets say [19:49] to reduce the volume [19:49] i would like to use only f6 [19:51] xubuntu155: I'm sure there is a way, have you tried adding a new short-cut key? [19:52] well i am not an expert with linux so i am not sure how to do that [19:52] actually i am novice [19:53] i did try to read around but i found nothing [19:53] no one seems to want what i'd like [19:54] thats how i ended up on this chat [19:54] i am kind of desperate [19:56] xubuntu155: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq and search for "Is it possible to use Media keys in the Shortcut Editor?" might give you some clues [19:57] i'll try! thanks! [19:58] xubuntu155, i know you can use amixer to set volume [19:59] the m in master has to be capitalized too "amixer set Master 5%+" [19:59] xubuntu155, like amixer set Master 5%+ [19:59] oh recon has it [19:59] lol [20:00] xubuntu155, so go to Settings Manager-> Keyboard->Application Shortcuts [20:01] xubuntu155, then click Add button [20:01] yes [20:01] xubuntu155, ok you ahve it? [20:02] xubuntu155, amixer set Master 5%- for decrease and just pick 2 keys [20:03] mhmm [20:03] let me try [20:05] and for the mute - ?unmute [20:05] works a here :) plus/minus change volume, but cant use type them :) [20:06] amixer set Master toggle [20:06] thats for xubuntu155 [20:07] thank you..i sopouse i i should log aout [20:07] I don't think you have to [20:07] lol [20:08] oops "lol" not for here [20:08] i guess than i does not work [20:08] what version are you on [20:09] 12.04 [20:09] wait [20:09] it works [20:09] yeah it should [20:10] GREAT!! [20:10] :) [20:10] :) [20:10] sooo glad...thank you a loot [20:10] :) [20:10] no problem [20:11] anyone know how to change the brightness permanently ? [20:11] Hi. How can I change the... heh. brightness. [20:11] Actually, the question is: how can I change the brightness without installing the nvidia driver (or other non-free stuff). [20:12] cloir: the brightness applet not working for you? [20:12] Brightness applet? what brightness applet? [20:12] recon69_lap, http://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=362 [20:12] Note that this is not a laptop. [20:14] It can't find a brightness applet when trying to add new items to the panel. Is it on the repositories? [20:17] cloir: it's part of xfce4-power-manager , but might not work on a CRT monitor [20:17] recon69_lap: yep, installed it and although it is a LCD it says: 'no device found'. [20:17] So I need either another way to change the brighness or a monitor that isn't broken. :P [20:18] cloir: is there a knob :) [20:18] recon69_lap: on the monitor itself? [20:19] I know, so old fashioned :) [20:19] ahah [20:20] It has a brightness button, but it's been broken for about 2 years. [20:20] is this a monitor or laptop? [20:20] cloir: have you installed the xfce4-power-manager-plugins and added the brightness applet to a panel? [20:21]