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apacheloggerhm00:31
apacheloggerkubotu: order coffee00:32
* kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.00:32
JontheEchidna~karma00:33
kubotukarma for JontheEchidna: 1400:33
JontheEchidna: D00:33
apacheloggercheat00:33
apachelogger~karma00:33
kubotukarma for apachelogger: 1400:33
apacheloggerOo00:33
apacheloggernow that is wrong00:33
apacheloggerthere you have it, I'll stop developing as I am under appreciated00:33
JontheEchidnalol00:33
apacheloggerdidn't I want to do that at some point already?00:34
apacheloggerlike 2 years ago00:34
apacheloggerback to the roots I always say00:34
apacheloggerwhat I need is a new kind of minion00:34
apacheloggeralso what kde needs is project timelord^200:35
claydohapachelogger: sure, will make folks (or one folk) see we do pay attention00:40
claydohre color schemes00:40
apacheloggerkthx00:40
apacheloggerclaydoh: what about talk-to-dev days?00:40
claydohthank you to apachelogger and JontheEchidna for the great work!00:41
claydohapachelogger:  a really really good idea imo, jut be prepared for some tough-ish questions ;)00:42
apacheloggerbetter to have tough questions answered than people ranting :P00:43
claydohbut some insight into how things are done, the restrictions and limitations there are, as well as the places we can go00:43
claydohoh, they will rant anyway, haven't you figure that out yet :p00:43
apacheloggera decent person will not after having another person having spent their time talking to them :P00:45
claydoh the lack of firefox kde integration seems to be the rant or issue du jour00:45
apacheloggerthat is, I envision more direct interaction, not those regular people come to channel and loads of devs flood them with info00:45
apacheloggerand perhaps at the same time start musing and discussing the things among each other00:45
apacheloggerclaydoh: actually the only post I saw regarding that was correctly pointing out that while sad it is not really anyone's fault but mozillas ;)00:46
apacheloggerwas on some danish or french forum00:46
claydohthat would be ideal00:47
apacheloggerwe should just convert the firefox installer to a chromium installer00:47
apacheloggerthen we can go ... "use sensible software" :P00:47
claydohapachelogger: but some minor gnashing of teeth at the change00:47
claydohregular people don't like change lol00:48
apacheloggerwell, they can still use firefox and if they have it installed it will not affect them00:48
apacheloggerbut we'd make a point00:48
apachelogger"if you screw our users, we do not care for your software"00:48
claydohapachelogger: agreed00:49
claydohhear some ideas from them, may be good ones that turn up00:49
claydohand perhaps recruit more minions in the docs arena00:50
apacheloggeryeah00:50
claydohstarbuck posted in kfn suggesting a kububtu/kde news type of site00:50
apacheloggerthough my primary incentive is stimulate direct communication with devs00:50
claydohlooking for names00:50
claydohI think that is also a good idea00:51
claydohkde/kubuntu news, how-to's interviews with the team00:51
apacheloggerclaydoh: that requires people doing it ^^00:51
claydohI could handle some of that, starbuck was  looking for url ideas for it00:55
apacheloggerI mean, running the site00:55
claydohsaid they have a similar magazine site for netrunner00:55
apacheloggeryeah, but you need a community to provide content00:56
apacheloggerif you have to put 5 emloyees behind it to make it work it does not make sense IMHO00:56
apacheloggerstuff like that should be self-sustaining in the long run00:56
apacheloggerwhich is tricky because writing (good) articles is a tedious process and you always need to provide new content, otherwise no one will visit the site on a regular basis causing demotivation with the contributors 00:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did I mention that msc needs to become hotter?01:01
claydohapachelogger:  look at omgbuntu.........01:01
claydohsaid with tongue firmly planted in cheek01:02
apacheloggerclaydoh: don't they make monies with it?01:03
claydohno idea01:04
apacheloggerwell they do have a company01:04
apacheloggerso I'd assume their intention is to make monies01:04
claydohwe could do as well or better than http://netrunner-mag.com01:08
claydohI think we have people in the community that would give more than just one writer01:09
apacheloggeryes01:10
apacheloggerBUT having one person spend their work time on writing stuff makes a solid base01:10
claydohyes01:10
apacheloggeri.e. it comensates for the mandatory flux of community contributions (RL getting in the way and what not)01:11
claydohbbl, having tea, a rather late tea01:11
claydohomg01:11
apacheloggerthat said, most of the articles are agnostic enough to be shared ... so that is an option one would want to look into ;)01:11
claydohShe already has me speaking non-american English! lol01:11
apacheloggerlol01:12
claydohDarned red headed Aussie woman is going to assimilate me back into the British empire weee!01:14
claydohok not "back"01:14
apacheloggerhttp://theworldofm.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/queens-letter/ ? :P01:17
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: that's what Muon Discover is for01:23
claydohapachelogger:  naw, just an Australian girlfriend01:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yes, but it fails to integrate :P01:24
JontheEchidnafor now :P01:24
apacheloggerclaydoh: :)01:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: excuses :P01:24
* apachelogger wants awesome - now!01:26
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JontheEchidnalol01:27
JontheEchidnabtw, we can make our own "Kubuntu featured apps" slideshow for muon discover if we can get a server to serve up something like this: http://jacknjoe.net/api/packages/featured01:28
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that is handy01:29
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apacheloggerstupid splitting01:30
JontheEchidnableh01:31
apacheloggeralso we need a new website01:31
apacheloggerETOOMUCHTEXT01:31
JontheEchidnaagain?01:31
apacheloggeralso the top and icon navigation make your's truely go whoop whoop01:32
apacheloggerskaet is getting us a quantal todo page set up01:39
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JontheEchidnalol, lunchpad strikes again: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2012-May/123060.html03:12
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apacheloggerBug Wars - The Lunch Strikes Back10:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so I am not allowed to ever file the SRU bug :P10:10
apacheloggerhooray10:11
yofel_JontheEchidna: bwahaha.11:18
yofel_Guess I'm back to sru-bugfiling-script-writing11:18
yofel_*sigh*11:18
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yofel~karma yofel11:18
kubotukarma for yofel: 1611:18
yofellol11:19
yofelapachelogger++11:19
yofelJontheEchidna++11:19
apacheloggerhttp://9gag.com/gag/424361111:23
yofeltough piece of work ^^11:24
apacheloggerhm11:25
apacheloggerno jr?11:25
yofelhe said he's taking a few weeks off for burnout prevention11:26
yofel(that was 2 weeks ago IIRC)11:27
apacheloggerah11:27
apacheloggerwhich reminds me11:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: when do I get data on time-spent?11:28
yofeltime-spent?11:28
apacheloggerwhat we spend time on so that we can automated the tasks ;)11:30
apacheloggerhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx11:30
yofelah11:30
apacheloggeralways these long mails11:57
BluesKajHiyas all12:02
apacheloggerlo12:05
apachelogger_quassel really needs UI fixes12:06
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: FWIW, I think the supportedness in muon is rather negative anyway12:53
apacheloggershould be something like supported by cannonical vs. supported by the community12:53
apacheloggeras it is right now it suggests that only software supported by canonical is supported software12:54
ScottKThat's true.13:05
ScottKIt could just as well say supported by $JRSNEWEMPLOYER and the Kubuntu community.13:05
apachelogger^^13:06
apacheloggertoo long :P13:06
jtechidnahmm, but if we were to do that we'd need to somehow differentiate between that and the rest of universe, or wherever our packages land13:06
apacheloggeralso that conflicts with the idea of making kubuntu independent ;)13:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: Maintainer = kubuntu-devel || Maintainer = *@kubuntu.org?13:07
jtechidnathat could work13:07
ScottKPeople will get put off by no longer maintained by Canonical.13:07
apacheloggeryeah, that is for sure13:07
apacheloggerhm13:07
jtechidnaapachelogger: but then there is stuff in main that we sync from debian that has them as the maintainers13:08
apacheloggeryah, just thought of it13:08
apacheloggerwell13:08
apacheloggerI propose two support sets13:08
apacheloggersupported by canonical13:08
apacheloggersupported by the community13:08
apacheloggerlatter could have a subset supported by the kubuntu community, though I do not see the benefit in that13:08
apacheloggerthat said, if you want to mess with canonical you could make it supported by the Kubuntu community (on everything that is not canonical :P)13:09
apacheloggergod how I hate that branding mess13:10
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ScottKThe binary packages all have a *buntu maintainer as they are mangled during build.13:12
ScottKEven if the source is sync'ed from Debian and still shows the Debian maintainer.13:12
apacheloggeroh, cool13:13
ScottKOf course parts of the system are still supported by Canonical.  We aren't rolling our own kernel.13:13
ScottKSo supported by is a bit nuanced in any case.13:13
apacheloggerthe information is only useful for support contract usrs anyway13:14
jtechidna|workOSS achievement get: Be quoted 4 levels deep in a mailing list. :P13:15
apacheloggerit's all supported by someone, otherwise it would not be in the archive ^^13:15
apacheloggerjtechidna|work: Oo13:15
ScottKyofel: Are you planning on looking after the retries needed for 4.8.3?  I started mashing retry buttons for i386, but don't know I'll be able to sort them all out.13:44
ScottKapachelogger: It looks like yofel neglected the l10n upload for 4.8.3 in precise-proposed.  Could you do that?13:50
apacheloggerScottK: heading to a meeting right now, I'd earliest get to it in 3 hours14:04
ScottKapachelogger: That'd be great.14:05
BluesKajok ..BBL , stuff to do14:09
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ScottKyofel: Nevermind.  I'm doing the retries.15:21
yofelok, just got home15:22
yofelI didn't manage to do l10n yesterday (apachelogger: did you upload?)15:22
ScottKyofel: He didn't yet.15:28
yofelthen I'll do it (takes an ~hour to generate)15:28
CIA-42[kde-l10n-common-precise] Philip Muškovac * 118 * debian/ (changelog config) branch off for precise15:31
yofelScottK: and the packages that I can't upload are:15:40
yofelhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pkgs/blinken_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1.dsc15:40
yofelhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pkgs/cantor_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1.dsc15:40
ScottKyofel: Please sign the packages.15:44
ScottKWithout that, I've got no way to verify what I downloaded is correct.15:46
yofeloh, sec15:47
yofelScottK: try again15:48
ScottKK.15:49
ScottKDone.15:50
BluesKajok ,yardwork beckons ...time to get off my butt and get moving ...later folks15:54
technovikingquick question, what is the hex color for Kubuntu blue?15:55
apacheloggeryay, less works for me \o/16:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: time is mostly spent on exams xD18:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: Can't do it before the 6th of next month in any case18:06
apacheloggerby that time I will have died of boredom18:06
dasKreechWho would I speak to about NM ?18:08
apacheloggerthe NM developers? :P18:09
dasKreechDebugging :) 18:10
dasKreechI have someone with a USB network card that isn't loading the drier18:10
dasKreech Loaded up the pegasus chipset driver and it turns on but then resets everytime it gets an IP address with Carrier Off 18:11
dasKreechwhich happens to be a recent NM bug so I'm trying to figure out if it's the driver (I think more likely)or the NM bug18:11
apacheloggerdriver :P18:18
apacheloggerdasKreech: try #ubuntu-devel18:18
dasKreechapachelogger: ok good idea18:18
apacheloggerasac does nm stuff I think18:18
BluesKajdasKreech:  does the pegasus need NM to run , perhaps removong NM and running with static lan settings in the network interfaces file will workaround the problem18:35
dasKreechBluesKaj: No idea18:38
BluesKajdasKreech, then actionparsnip iin #ubuntu might know , if he's there today18:40
dasKreechBluesKaj: He's helping :)18:41
dasKreechapachelogger: is it me or does the service command not use stdout ?18:49
shadeslayeryofel: have you already merged everything?18:55
yofelshadeslayer: we merged *something* - lots left to do18:56
shadeslayerah ok18:56
shadeslayerthe pad is a bit confusing tbh18:56
* shadeslayer waves fist at MoM19:00
highvoltagethey should've bought her a new server for mother's day19:01
shadeslayerapparently it's supposed to be working19:01
shadeslayergtg19:03
soeehi, yofel any news about 4.9 ?19:14
yofelsoee: won't be ready that soon, but first of all, 4.9 wasn't even tagged yet by KDE ^^19:14
yofelthe date's tomorrow19:15
soeeoh, thouth beta was planned on 22 may?19:15
yofelsoee: 30th http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.9_Release_Schedule - but we won't make that19:15
soeeso the dates chenged :)19:16
yofelhm, scripting sru bug filing wasn't as tricky as I feared... https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/+bug/97123119:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 971231 in xorg (Ubuntu) "X leaks memory and becomes unusable" [Undecided,Invalid]19:28
technovikingquick question, what is the hex color for Kubuntu blue?20:15
sreichcouldn't you just use kcolorpicker?20:16
swecarp is there anny way to chage the background coulers in kickoff panel21:17
sreichby changing the plasma theme21:18
sreichor customizing individual parts of it through the ui21:18
sreichsystem settings->workspace appearance21:18
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x84m3YyO2oU21:22
swecarpsreich,  what i mean can i change the wite background to the icons21:22
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