[04:23] <jbicha> bodhizazen: you have experience with building *buntu isos?
[05:11] <bodhizazen> jbicha, yes I have build several
[05:12] <jbicha> bodhizazen: ok I'm going to bed now, but I'll have to ping you later to see if you can help me build a "gnomebuntu" iso from a seed
[05:12] <bodhizazen> sure, what are you using to build ?
[05:13] <jbicha> whatever works ;) I'd like it to be pretty similar to how official isos are built though
[05:15] <jbicha> I used https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPPF14h1Sw2gQjGTuZjUIlNHnGrafS8ekhFjJM9MT00/edit to build the seed
[05:15] <jbicha> but the building part is underdocumented
[05:18] <bodhizazen> OK, I will look at what you have
[05:20] <jbicha> I don't have much, https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/+junk/ubuntu-gnome.quantal
[05:20] <jbicha> and the metapackage https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/+junk/ubuntu-gnome-meta
[05:21] <jbicha> this looked pretty promising, except I couldn't figure out how to run it https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[05:24] <jbicha> anyway, I'll say hi tomorrow, good night!
[05:24] <bodhizazen> ok
[05:42] <windbuntu> will xfburn burn image disks (OS disks)?
[05:42] <windbuntu> and if so do i have to tell it too or does it just do it like brasero does in ubuntu?
[05:42] <windbuntu> in other words brasero just knows its a image and burns it...is xfburn like that?
[05:46] <jmarsden> windbuntu: man xfburn.  I think   xfburn -i someimage.iso    will burn that iso to a blank optical disk for you...
[05:46] <jmarsden> I tend to use use wodim, being more command line oriented :)
[05:50] <windbuntu> no i dea what you mean but i think you are saying the answer is no
[05:50] <jmarsden> If you want to know how a program works, read its man page.  You do that by typing the word man and then the name of the program at a shell promtp in a terminal.
[05:51] <jmarsden> Did you try that?
[05:51] <windbuntu> no
[05:51] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xfburn
[05:51] <jmarsden> Then try it now, and see if the information there helps you out.
[05:51] <windbuntu> i can install brasero if i want correct?
[05:51] <jmarsden> Yes.
[05:51] <windbuntu> cool
[05:52] <windbuntu> i noticed lubuntu was only using 8,mb ram in my vm
[05:52] <windbuntu> amazing
[05:52] <windbuntu> and thats with system mon open
[05:52] <jmarsden> It will use rather more than that if you open brasero, I suspect :)
[05:52] <windbuntu> so i might stick it on the HD of one of my oler lappers
[05:53] <windbuntu> why is brasero a pig?
[05:53] <windbuntu> the laptop im prolly going to install it on has a dual core and 2 gigs of ram
[05:53] <jmarsden> Not particularly, but it is not particularly lightweight... that is part of why Lubuntu does not include it by default.
[05:53] <windbuntu> ahhh ok
[05:54] <windbuntu> i did not see the image choice in xfburn
[05:54] <jmarsden> With 2Gb RAM brasero will be fine.  Old laptops in the Ubuntu world are the ones with 256MB or 284Mb RAM, not multiple GB :)
[05:55] <windbuntu> yeah this one i mentioned is about...6 years old-vista
[05:55] <jmarsden> Try Lubuntu on it, sounds workable to me.
[05:55] <windbuntu> atm it runs w-vista and ubuntu 12.04 as dual booter
[05:56] <windbuntu> but i like lubuntu and already have ubuntu on some computers including this desktop
[05:56] <windbuntu> i just cant warm up to kubuntu and xubuntu for some reason
[05:57] <windbuntu> in fact since lubuntu came out i dont see the point in xubuntu at all
[05:57] <bioterror> kubuntu takes a state of mind
[05:57] <bioterror> actually, the whole KDE takes
[05:58] <windbuntu> all that k stuff k this k that i cant find anything
[05:58] <bioterror> configuring it is just too weird for me
[05:58] <bioterror> I've tried kde3.something to the latest 4.3 if I remember right and never got used to it
[05:59] <bioterror> and KDE is a lot huger than Gnome
[05:59] <windbuntu> i think it would be best for all if xubuntu got their own spearate sponsor and all the technology and resources went into ubuntu and lubuntu
[05:59] <windbuntu> one for big fat computers and one for skinny ones
[06:05] <windbuntu> hmm no manual entry for xfburn
[06:05] <windbuntu> when i tried the man xfburn thing in terminal
[06:05] <windbuntu> maybe cause im in ubuntu now instead of lubuntu
[06:05] <bioterror> it doesnt need one :D
[06:05] <jmarsden> There is if xfburn is installed...
[06:06] <windbuntu> yeah ill do it when i go back in lubuntu
[06:06] <bioterror> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man1/xfburn.1.html
[06:06] <jmarsden> bioterror: You're still running Jaunty? :)
[06:07] <bioterror> jmarsden, first hit from the Moog site ;)
[06:07] <windbuntu> cool it does burn images
[06:07] <bioterror> windbuntu, ofcourse
[06:07] <windbuntu> i thought so
[06:07] <windbuntu> just dont see it in the gui
[06:08] <windbuntu> ive never burned an image that way
[06:08] <windbuntu> sounds like a command
[06:39] <wxl> !b43
[06:39] <wxl> that's what i thought
[06:43] <Guest75922> help
[06:43] <Guest75922> is there anyone ??
[06:44] <jmarsden> Guest75922: Ask your real question and see if anyone here can help answer it.
[06:44] <Guest75922> ok
[06:44] <Guest75922> in network manager doesnot authenticate
[06:45] <Guest75922> wireless passwords
[06:45] <Guest75922> it allway show up error
[06:46] <brico-1> check, test
[06:47] <brico-1> hello
[06:47] <brico-1> join #bash
[06:47] <jmarsden> brico-1: If you have an Lubuntu support question, ask it :)
[06:47] <Guest75922>  network manager doesnot authenticate wireless passwd, it always shows error
[10:24] <stueng> Hi, I wish to build a machine for the exclusive use of XBMC. Is there such a thing as being able to start X with the wole purpose of running XBMC? without having to load a desktop environment?
[10:24] <stueng> sole*
[10:25] <jakob_l> like XBMCbuntu?
[10:26] <stueng> I would imagine so, I would like to have the experience of creating this myself though.. I am just not sure where to start
[10:26] <stueng> or even what the correct terms are
[10:29] <stueng> I guess what I am asking is what are the minimum requirements to launch XBMC. Is an entire desktop environment necesarry or can I just have "X" ?
[10:30] <jakob_l> you do not need an DE to run XBMC
[10:30] <stueng> ok so what is it that I need? lightdm ?
[10:31] <jakob_l> nope, no login is needed
[10:31] <stueng> I need X ?
[10:32] <jakob_l> yes
[10:32] <bioterror> you can start XBMC like window manager
[10:32] <stueng> is that whats its called just "X"? Xserver? Xfree86?
[10:32] <bioterror> it's called X.Org nowdays
[10:32] <stueng> !x.org
[10:32] <bioterror> XFree86 is from the past
[10:33] <stueng> ok, so some kind of minimal install. Then add x.org. Then add nvidia drivers, then add xbmc
[10:33] <bioterror> yes
[10:33] <stueng> cool thanks
[10:33] <stueng> now I have something to go on
[10:33] <jakob_l> have a look at http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux
[10:34] <bioterror> you make .xinitrc and you add there: start xbmc
[10:34] <bioterror> sorry
[10:34] <bioterror> exec xbmc
[10:34] <bioterror> but you should add consolekit and dbus too
[10:34] <stueng> nice one, thanks
[10:34] <stueng> !consolekit
[10:34] <stueng> !dbus
[10:34] <stueng> google :P
[10:35] <bioterror> exec /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/xbmc --standalone -fs
[10:35] <bioterror> something like that
[10:36] <stueng> consolekit is a frameowrk for keeping track of various users, sessions and seats present on a system
[10:37] <stueng> would that not be present on a default mininmal install anwyay
[10:38] <bioterror> I've noticed that XBMC likes wicd for network handling
[10:39] <bioterror> I'm autostarting XBMC on startup on top of of the Openbox
[10:39] <bioterror> becouse I might want to browse web or something with my htpc
[10:39] <bioterror> like I watched the last NASA Spaceship launch from TV
[10:40] <stueng> airplay for that :P
[10:41] <stueng> when I install xbmc from apt-get is it not going to install a DE as a dependancy ?
[10:42] <bioterror> no
[11:11] <iceroot_> stueng: xbmc does not need a DE
[11:11] <iceroot_> stueng: i am using my xbmc-standalone directy on plain X11
[11:13] <stueng> anyone know how to get the grub boot menu from a LiveUSB rather than this splash screen
[11:17] <bioterror> what splash
[11:17] <bioterror> grub is hide by default if you're not dual booting
[11:17] <stueng> ive added a loopback to grub.cfg
[11:17] <stueng>  but I cant see it cos of this splash screen
[14:34] <leszek> hi
[14:44] <stueng> hello again, I have installed a minimal ubuntu install without any DE and have managed to install XBMC and all its dependancies. When I strart xbmc I get cannot connect to X server. Presumably because I dont have x.org installed?
[14:50] <stueng> nm ^ sorted
[14:52] <leszek> stueng: one of the dependencies of XBMC is xorg
[14:52] <leszek> so you don't have all its dependencies installed
[15:00] <stueng> xbmc instlaled from apt but did not include xorg, I installed xorg manually from apt and everything is working :)
[16:23] <casey9> what is the different between XTerm and UXTerm?
[16:25] <stueng> !xterm
[16:25] <stueng> lol
[16:25] <stueng> !uxterm
[16:26] <holstein> !info xterm
[16:27] <casey9> well then what should i be useing
[16:31] <pcman> hi
[16:31] <casey9> hi
[16:32] <pcman> can anyone here help test pcmanfm/libfm?
[16:33] <casey9> so if i shouldn't be useing xterm what should i be useing
[16:42] <casey9> !uxterm
[16:42] <casey9> !xterm
[16:46] <valdur55> pcman, Sure, give some items
[16:47] <pcman> valdur55: the latest code in git should be much more robust now.
[16:47] <pcman> valdur55: just need to test if it still crashes often.
[16:48] <valdur55> pcman, give some test cases
[16:48] <pcman> valdur55: mount and unmount removable devices or DVD.
[16:48] <pcman> valdur55: changing dir very rapidly.
[16:50] <valdur55> pcman, give github repo URL
[16:50] <pcman> valdur55: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:PCManFM_build_and_setup_guide#Bug_Reporting_and_How_to_Help_Debug_PCManFM
[16:51] <valdur55> should i have update pcmanfm and libfm ?
[17:05] <pcman> valdur55: yes
[17:11] <cheryl> Yello everybuddy! ;)
[17:11] <cheryl> How do I add shortcuts of my fave programs to the taskbar??
[17:11] <cheryl> In Ubuntu I just dragged 'n dropped stuff...not working now. :(
[17:16] <pcman> cheryl: right click on the taskbar
[17:17] <pcman> cheryl: or in the preference dialog, edit the launchbar applet.
[17:18] <cheryl> Thank you pcman
[17:20] <cheryl> Well it's not as easy as I'd hoped so will tackle it after I've had my dinner :)
[17:38] <valdur55> pcman, sorry, i am to lazy to download some automake and gtkdoc items
[17:38] <pcman> ok
[17:38] <valdur55> 1 mbit/sec is to slow :P
[17:48] <joker-me> i have a issue with network manager
[17:48] <joker-me> can som1 help in resolving network manager wireless authentication issue
[17:54] <HarryHirsch123> Hi, where can i get a dark lxpanel background?
[17:59] <leszek> HarryHirsch123: you can build one on your own
[17:59] <HarryHirsch123> i know, but i haven´t enough time to do is
[17:59] <HarryHirsch123> *ti
[17:59] <HarryHirsch123> *it
[18:00] <leszek> LOL
[18:00] <leszek> 1 minute work
[18:00] <leszek> let me do it for you then
[18:00] <leszek> what color do you want ?
[18:00] <HarryHirsch123> black
[18:01] <HarryHirsch123> like the Onyx theme
[18:02] <HarryHirsch123> i have the onyx theme but the white default panel
[18:03] <leszek> like the onyx title decoration right ß
[18:03] <leszek> ?
[18:03] <HarryHirsch123> yes
[18:03] <leszek> ok just a sec
[18:06] <leszek> HarryHirsch123: http://h9.abload.de/img/onyx-panelrvyql.png
[18:07] <HarryHirsch123> thanks :)
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:49] <nothingspecial> head_victim: not forgotten your question...... just don't have an answer yet
[18:54] <Guest14818> can anyone recommend any ubuntu-one client or damon for Lubuntu?!
[18:55] <Guest14818> demon - that does the synchronization
[18:55] <wxl> Guest14818: there's not a pretty solution per se. not like with ubuntu. integration is on the to-do list
[18:55] <wxl> but the actual sync can happen pretty easily
[18:55] <wxl> see http://askubuntu.com/questions/74093/how-to-integrate-ubuntu-one-in-pcmanfm-lubuntu-file-manager
[18:56] <wxl> oh wait
[18:56] <wxl> there's a qt app now http://askubuntu.com/questions/36117/ubuntu-one-on-lubuntu
[19:01] <Guest14818> interesting, but I would prefer to keep my Lubuntu installation as small as possible, hence would like prevent to pull in qt libs. a command line solution is also fine for me, if such one exists.
[19:06] <wxl> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/u1sdtool.1.html
[20:07] <lompa> hi
[20:08] <lompa> Today, is there meeting?
[20:12] <kanliot> uh we had a short meeting
[20:12] <kanliot> next time look on the ubuntu fridge
[20:13] <kanliot> you hsould be able to look at the meeting logs
[20:14] <jmarsden|work> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-23-20.00.html
[20:23] <lompa> Okey. thanks :D
[21:56] <hallyn> hey, I just want to make sure bug 994979 doesn't fall off the radar.  Are bugs against project 'Lubuntu default settings' watched?
[21:56] <hallyn> if not I'll target the bug at lxcterminal I guess...