[01:07] <Azelphur> anyone know how to make it so that all files put in a folder have a default group
[01:16] <soreau> Azelphur: What's the use case?
[01:17] <Azelphur> soreau: keep all files in the web servers directory in the web servers group so it can always read them
[01:17] <Azelphur> as root
[01:17] <Azelphur> :D
[01:17] <Azelphur> whooops, ignore the "as root", wrong window
[01:17] <soreau> I imagine you might be able to use a script, maybe abuse cron
[01:18] <Azelphur> *shrug* I thought there was a flag you could set
[01:18] <soreau> Azelphur: Maybe someone in ##linux knows
[01:19]  * Azelphur isn't a fan of them folks
[01:24] <ali1234> Azelphur: "SGID can also be used on a directory so that every file  created in that directory will have the directory group owner rather than the  group owner of the user creating the file."
[01:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: how do I do it? :D
[01:25] <ali1234> chmod g+s directory/
[01:26] <Azelphur> I thought it was that but then I read the manual and it made me think I was wrong, fun
[01:26] <ali1234> and same goes for setuid
[01:29] <ali1234> oh, apparently the same does not go for setuid
[01:29] <ali1234> it's ignored on directories
[05:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2012 Coming Soon! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/23/community-leadership-summit-2012-coming-soon/
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[06:44] <Nafallo> morning!
[07:02] <DJones> Good morning
[07:04] <diplo> Morning all
[07:23] <diplo> Anyone using Irssi know how to hide parts and joins ?
[07:23] <diplo> I failed at it yesterday with a /ignore, quite happy for some input
[07:24] <Nafallo> diplo: /set activity_hide_level
[07:24] <diplo> Done, I'll await the non output
[07:24] <diplo> ta
[07:24] <diplo> :)
[07:25] <Nafallo> what did you set it to? :-)
[07:25] <Nafallo> mine is: activity_hide_level = ALL -PUBLIC -MSGS -DCCMSGS -HILIGHT -ACTIONS
[07:26] <diplo> I saw this /set activity_hide_level parts joins quits nicks modes
[07:27] <diplo> How does yours do it differently ?
[07:27] <diplo> Is that more an over all hide on areas as such ?
[07:27] <Nafallo> not sure, except mine's a whitelist. not a blacklist like yours.
[07:27] <diplo> ah, may work better then
[07:29] <Nafallo> right. I need to get ready for work
[07:29] <Nafallo> need to stay up all night as well... :-/
[07:29] <diplo> :(
[07:29] <diplo> Glad I don't have to do that anymore!
[07:30] <Nafallo> well, not because of work, but trying to correct some of the jetlag I'll be suffering on thursday.
[07:30] <Nafallo> flying out tomorrow mornign :-P
[07:31] <diplo> ah, pre-empting it
[07:31] <Nafallo> yeah
[07:31] <diplo> Don't fly very often, and never really suffered any form of it.. guess I haven't flown far enough
[07:31] <Nafallo> ...if possible
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> My Pi's in the mail (according to Farnell)
[07:48] <shauno> mine's blinking away on the desk in front of me :)  finally found a monitor cable I could use
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> you didn't have an HDMI cable? :)
[07:54] <shauno> I didn't have hdmi to dvi, and bringing my TV to work didn't seem sensible
[08:05] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Just order one from building facilities :P
[08:12] <selinuxium> Morning all   0/
[08:13] <MooDoo> :)
[08:36] <vedreamer> diplo: did you solve your irsii problem. I have that on my laptop. I'll boot it if you still have question.
[08:37] <MooDoo> <3 irssi :)
[08:37] <diplo> vedreamer: After what Nafallo suggested it still doesn't seem to hide join/parts
[08:37] <diplo> Or what I tried
[08:38] <diplo> So yeah, open for some help :)
[08:38] <vedreamer> I'll boot then
[08:38] <Nafallo> so ehrm.
[08:38] <Nafallo> it works for me? :-P
[08:39] <Nafallo> /set activity_hide_level ALL -PUBLIC -MSGS -DCCMSGS -HILIGHT -ACTIONS
[08:39] <matti> Hi Nafallo
[08:39] <Nafallo> that's the exact command you want to make happen
[08:40] <diplo> 09:39 [lookandfeel]
[08:40] <diplo> 09:39 activity_hide_level = ALL -PUBLIC -MSGS -DCCMSGS -HILIGHT -ACTIONS
[08:40] <Myrtti> that is for the status bar
[08:40] <diplo> Wondering if it didn't take affect earlier
[08:41] <Myrtti> was that what you were looking for?
[08:41] <diplo> Nope, hiding join and parts in the channel
[08:42] <Myrtti> ignore works for hiding it from displaying at all
[08:42] <Myrtti> /help ignore
[08:43] <diplo> heh, I tried that yesterday and ignored a whole channel
[08:43] <diplo> I'll play again now
[08:43] <diplo> ta
[08:43] <diplo> Didn't know you could do /help though, another great tip thanks!
[08:44] <Myrtti> it's the inbuilt manual
[08:48] <vedreamer> It's '/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS' or '/ignore #channel_name +JOINS +PARTS +NICKS'
[08:50] <diplo> So the initial one does all channels ?
[08:50] <diplo> secondary one does a specific channel ?
[08:50] <diplo> As I tried the second one before, from tutorial it said split them by commas but basically ignored second channel
[08:50] <diplo> :P
[08:55] <diplo> OK 5 mins and no replies, just to make sure I've not set everyone to ignore again :D
[08:55] <AlanBell> so tempting not to reply to that
[08:56] <diplo> heh thanks!
[08:56] <diplo> :D
[08:58] <diplo> Didn't I just see you tweet you are in London AlanBell, or was that TOS ?
[08:59] <AlanBell> neither of us are in London right now
[08:59] <diplo> oh :D
[08:59] <AlanBell> both sat in the office
[08:59]  * diplo really needs to go back to sleep today!
[08:59] <diplo> Woke up at 3am!!!!
[08:59] <diplo> I don't even have the kids at home with me :(
[08:59] <gord> whatever we had to sacrifice to get this consistent sunny weather, it was worth it.
[09:00] <diplo> I concur! And for it to stay, let's sacrifice lot's more
[09:01] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:02] <czajkowski> gord: hush you
[09:03] <gord> czajkowski, how can you be against cats *and* sunshine?!
[09:05] <czajkowski> gord: i adore sunshine
[09:06] <czajkowski> we've been through this on my feelings of cats
[09:06] <brobostigon> i also like sunshine, but heat, is bad for my eczema, it irritates it, well, the consequences of heat.
[09:09] <vedreamer_irsii> cats make me itch too :-(
[09:10] <brobostigon> vedreamer_irsii: here also, i am allergic to some animal furs.
[09:11] <vedreamer> Hmm. I thought /commands were sent to the server but the /ignore that I used in irssi doesn't work in XChat ?
[09:12] <brobostigon> vedreamer, i beleieve xchat has the ignore function, implemented in a different way.
[09:12] <gord> no /ignore is entirely client side
[09:13] <gord> it is not sent to the server
[09:13] <Darael> vedreamer: They're interpreted by the client, but some are very similar to what gets sent to the server.  /ignore is a client-side feature.
[09:13] <vedreamer> Thanks
[09:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:37] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm :)
[09:38]  * brobostigon now has a yubikey to play with.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: shiny
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: get an account at xs4all, we support it for IMAP/webmail (and much more, soon :)
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[09:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool, :)
[09:43] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:44] <bigcalm> Only thing I know about xs4all is its ircnet server :|
[09:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: initially, i plan to work out, how to get it working, via pam, with ssh.
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have coworkers who have that set up, it's quite cool
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: we have 100/100 (and 500/500, soon) FTTH as well :)
[09:45] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: there is abit of new stuff, to get my head around.
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> hmm 500/500 mbit ftth
[09:45] <bigcalm> ftth?
[09:45] <diplo> Alright MartijnVdS , don't rub it in
[09:45] <diplo> Fibre to the home Im guesssing
[09:46] <diplo> -s
[09:46] <bigcalm> Oh
[09:46] <bigcalm> So you'll run fibre to my home in the UK?
[09:46] <diplo> Sounds good to me, yes please!
[09:47] <bigcalm> :D
[09:47] <bigcalm> When it works correctly, I have no complaints over my cable connection. I don't see what the fuss is about
[09:48] <brobostigon> adsl here, is quite variable, to the point of being unstable, i had never had those issues, when i had cable, while at college.
[09:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: but if i do set that up, then i will be stuffed, if i try and connect to them, from connectbot.
[09:50] <Darael> Is there a known issue with multiple keyboard layouts after upgrade to precise?  Because I'm having trouble on about for different machines.
[09:50] <Darael> s/for/four/
[09:52] <gord> stupid be keep "not making much progress" on getting fibre out :( really don't want to switch to another isp
[09:53] <Darael> Specifically, each user account seems stuck in whatever its default was before the upgrade.  Other options show in the indicator/menu, but selecting them has no effect.  Options set (capslock-as-backspace, layout-switching keys) seem to have no effect.  No amount of changing settings has helped.
[09:54] <s-fox> Hello
[09:54] <ali1234> hi :)
[09:55] <s-fox> Hello ali1234
[09:55] <s-fox> How are you ?
[09:55] <ali1234> good
[09:56] <s-fox> Great.
[09:56] <ali1234> did you get SD card to try mer?
[09:57] <ali1234> wait, that was v-fox...
[09:57] <ali1234> nvm :)
[09:57] <seeker> Is there a cutout version of beach ball Popey around?
[09:58] <s-fox> ali1234,  it has been a very long time since i needed help with anything gnu/linux related ;)
[09:58] <ali1234> seeker http://ubuntuone.com/0hyIOKXnmmD7YScuCTq1my
[09:58] <bigcalm> That really is disturbing :)
[10:01] <seeker> Thanks
[10:03] <seeker> Woo, the art of electronics arriving later today, and some 74hc181 in 2-4 days
[10:10] <bigcalm> Stewart Francis gig tonight, woop!
[10:11] <bigcalm> Just wish I wasn't so stressed with work before going on holiday next week
[10:19] <diplo> Am I supposed to know who Stewart Francis is ?
[10:19]  * diplo no likey Flash based sites, guessing a comedian though
[10:22] <czajkowski> diplo: no you're not suppose to but a swift google will tell you won't it
[10:23] <davmor2> morning all
[10:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: when do you go away
[10:23] <diplo> Morning, and I did
[10:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: coach sets off at early o'clock on Monday morning
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: remind me to wish you the happiest of trips on friday then :)
[10:26] <bigcalm> Heh, will do :)
[10:27] <bigcalm> My boss has instructed me to take Hayley out for a nice meal and to send him the bill
[10:27] <bigcalm> I think Hayley should turn 40 more frequently
[10:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: Announcing she is 40 is likely to mean you won't ever need to worry about hitting 40 ;)
[10:35] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: nice
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: :P
[10:40] <bigcalm> She has to wait 7 years until I reach the same decade as her again
[10:40] <bigcalm> She was ever so pleased when I got into my 30s
[10:43] <bigcalm> I guess I should buy a card
[10:45] <popey> ali1234: wow... pommunity..
[10:45] <popey> you removed to edit?
[10:46] <ali1234> removed by seam police
[10:46] <ali1234> now fixed :)
[10:49] <diplo> hah, was wondering what you were on about. I am now with it
[10:49] <diplo> :)
[10:50] <gord> i heard that the xmas special of dr who will be the doctor fighting off an army of cloned beach ball popeys
[10:51] <ali1234> so yeah gimp 2.8 is pretty good
[10:52] <popey> haha
[10:53] <davmor2> gord: no that wouldn't be scary enough he'd need an icecream in the other hand then it would be truely fearful
[10:56] <gord> the end scene the camera will keep pulling back until its in outer space revealing that the entire planet is now quite literally in the grasp of the doctors newest adversary
[10:57] <ali1234> can you tag yourself multiple times in one photo?
[10:59] <popey> dunno
[11:00] <davmor2> gord: you mean a giant popey holding the world instead of a beach ball :D
[11:04]  * bigcalm pisses himself looking at g+
[11:06] <SuperMatt> ...
[11:06] <bigcalm> The demonic popey with beach ball meme is wonderful
[11:08] <bigcalm> Saving Private popey is still my fave
[11:08] <bigcalm> We're all going to war lads, lets beach party!
[11:13] <kvarley> Anybody noticed that their system boots wayyyyyyyy slower when using btrfs on Ubuntu 12.04 ?
[11:13] <Wobbo> Only in "Ubuntu 12.04 Classic (No effect)" I can change the fast-start-buttons in the panels (top and bottom). I can only change the panels itself. Any help?
[11:13] <kvarley> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791020) is the bug number. Any way to fix this yet?
[11:13] <ali1234> Wobbo: windows-alt click the panels
[11:14] <ali1234> Wobbo: also you can only change the panels in classic, not in unity based desktops
[11:16] <ali1234> right, lunch time, then i;m double-definitely going to work on this website for at least a couple of hours
[11:18] <Wobbo> Thanks
[11:21] <popey> kvarley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/btrfs-tools/+bug/750209/comments/3
[11:23] <kvarley> popey: I need to learn to read the whole bug report ... lol
[11:23] <kvarley> Right, reboot time to test. Thanks again popey
[11:23] <popey> np
[11:24] <Wobbo> But is there a way to unlock all, so that items / panels / actually all Ubuntu look like the "Ubuntu Classic (No effect)" version?
[11:25] <popey> logout and login to gnome-fallback?
[11:25] <kvarley> Worked =]
[11:31] <ali1234> Wobbo: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/82D6UjGZh6L
[11:34] <Mez> *sigh* 123reg fails again.
[11:35] <Wobbo> ali1234, thanks
[11:44] <bigcalm> The battery icon has gone from my 12.04 xubuntu laptop
[11:44] <bigcalm> Wonder if it's related to czajkowski's problem
[11:45] <bigcalm> Shows if I log out and back in to unity
[11:46] <bigcalm> And as if by magic, the icon appears
[11:46]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at something
[11:50] <Mez> lmao
[11:50] <Mez> 3 million domains unavailable.
[11:51] <diplo> all mine are with them Mez, not noticed any issues
[11:51] <Mez> are you using their DNS?
[11:52] <diplo> Different sites are but not all
[11:52] <Mez> the ones that are will be down.
[11:52] <diplo> k, ta
[11:53]  * Mez is furiously trying to transfer away
[11:53] <diplo> I keep debating it, but not had the huge isues others have had.
[11:53]  * Mez shrugs
[11:53] <Mez> they say it's a DDoS ... I smell BS
[11:54] <diplo> After recommendations on bitfolk mailing list I thought I might try the ones people mentioned on there
[11:54] <Mez> they should be able to mitigate
[11:54] <matti> Hi Mez
[11:54] <matti> issyl0: :))
[11:55] <directhex> Mez, url? i think that just hit me
[11:56] <issyl0> matti: HELLO!
[12:01] <matti> issyl0: Hello!
[12:01] <issyl0> matti: How have you been?
[12:01] <issyl0> matti: Aaaaagggeeeeessss since I've seen you online.
[12:01] <issyl0> (I have to go to college soon...)
[12:02] <matti> issyl0: I've been OK, not great... Just OK.
[12:02] <matti> issyl0: How are you? Miss Student :)
[12:12] <matti> directhex: There you go! Your reply to me will get indexed!
[12:12] <matti> directhex: And perhaps will make onto first page ;)
[12:12] <bigcalm> Well, this is interesting. 2 servers set-up on rackspace from the same image. web1 still can't ctrl-c, but db1 can!
[12:13] <matti> bigcalm: ?
[12:13] <bigcalm> The plot thickens (and I go crazy for another day)
[12:13] <matti> bigcalm: Moon phases, man.
[12:13] <bigcalm> SIGINT isn't working on web1
[12:13] <matti> What is web1?
[12:14] <matti> And check your terminal :) Maybe your controlling terminal is not passing / handling it correctly.
[12:17] <vedreamer> anyone use vmware on ubuntu?
[12:31] <popey> ruh-roh
[12:32] <kvarley> vedreamer: I think VirtualBox is more commonly used. What's your problem?
[13:18] <bigcalm> What's another shell that will respond to ctrl-c as sigint?
[13:19] <bigcalm> I used chsh to change my shell to /bin/sh. Logged back in and tried ctrl-c. Gave me ^C, so I know something is happening
[13:22] <ali1234> i don't think ctrl-c is part of the shell
[13:23] <bigcalm> db1 is accepting ctrl-c, web1 is still the only server I have ever had this problem with
[13:23] <bigcalm> ali1234: I didn't think so either, was just a shot in the dark :)
[13:24] <ali1234> google says try "stty sane"
[13:24] <bigcalm> What's meant to happen next?
[13:25] <bigcalm> No change so far
[13:25] <ali1234> nothing obvious except ctrl-c starts working...
[13:25] <bigcalm> Loging out and back in has no change either
[13:31] <bigcalm> What have I, what have I, what have I done to deserve this?
[13:32] <bigcalm> reset doesn't make any difference either
[13:38] <diplo> I honestly can't think what else it's going to be.. is it an ubuntu box bigcalm ?
[13:38] <bigcalm> Right, what else might be interrupting the signals? Considering that kill can't even send sigint to processes
[13:38] <bigcalm> diplo: Debian Squeeze
[13:39]  * bigcalm sniffles
[13:39] <diplo> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118556
[13:40] <diplo> Seen this ?
[13:40] <diplo> Half way down, talks about locales
[13:40] <diplo> Causing this blokes issue
[13:41] <diplo> Well actually maybe not, but lot's of things to try that I hadn't thought of
[13:42] <diplo> ah this guys ( Sorry read all the way now ) was an issue with a particular wm causing it
[13:45] <bigcalm> Ug
[13:56] <bigcalm> My default terminal is xfce terminal emulator, just tried gnome-terminal with the same lack of ctrl-c
[14:10] <bigcalm> sudo su -; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; reboot
[14:10] <bigcalm> ctrl-c works now \o/
[14:21] <jpds> bigcalm: sudo -i
[14:23] <matti> jpds: ;p
[14:31] <bigcalm> Reboot required, yay :(
[14:35] <diplo> What was it BigRedS ?
[14:35] <diplo> oops sorry!
[14:36] <diplo> bah, removed quits/parts and didn't see him going
[14:36] <diplo> :P
[14:43] <bigcalm> I really need to sort out that one external USB drive that stops my dev server from booting if it's plugged in
[14:44] <bigcalm> Why would an external USB drive stop a machine from booting?
[14:44] <popey> it has grub on the mbr and the bios finds that and tries to boot off it?
[14:46] <bigcalm> It's NTFS and off the shelf from Tesco
[14:47] <matti> bigcalm: http://calmingmanatee.com/
[14:47] <matti> bigcalm: Relax ;]
[14:47] <bigcalm> :)
[14:58] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I had that with my Viglen
[15:00] <popey> \o/ viglen hilight
[15:04] <bigcalm> popey: haha
[15:04] <bigcalm> Myrtti: did you fix it?
[15:06] <bigcalm> Afternoon showers are a great thing about working from home
[15:06]  * bigcalm goes to cool down
[15:08] <directhex> bigcalm, i've got a 12000 BTU air conditioner, which also helps for cooling down
[15:09] <Myrtti> bigcalm: by unplugging the drive
[15:09] <gord> i'm just going to clear out the fridge, turn it on its side and work from there soon >:(
[15:09] <gord> either that or eat all the ice-cream
[15:15] <popey> GO NAKED!
[15:16] <Dave2> bigcalm: air conditioning is a great thing about working in an office
[15:16] <Dave2> (the office also has a shower.)
[15:17] <stgraber> bah, just get air conditioning at home ;) after having it for the past 2 years, I'm not sure I could work from home without it
[15:18] <matti> Dave2: If... if the air conditioning was done right.
[15:18] <matti> Dave2: Every place I worked before it was doing more harm than good :)
[15:20] <directhex> it's not really my air conditioner
[15:20] <gord> no, i'm just going to eat all the ice-cream
[15:20] <directhex> i bought it for the chinchillas. they like chinchillin'
[15:20] <Dave2> .
[15:20] <directhex> also they die from heatstroke at much higher than 25°C
[15:22] <matti> directhex: They are so cute.
[15:24]  * bigcalm goes to eat Hayley's Haagen Dazs :D
[15:39] <christel> how naughty!
[15:40] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:41] <bigcalm> By the time I got down stairs, I had forgotten about that
[15:41]  * bigcalm noms some pop tarts
[15:43] <christel> haha
[15:43] <christel> bless
[15:44] <christel> i am procrastinating with a pint of sunburst
[15:44] <bigcalm> Pint of what?
[15:48] <christel> sunburst! tis a dark star ale
[15:49] <directhex> tomorrow is beer day.
[15:49] <dogmatic69> is there such a thing as global variables in bash?
[15:50] <dogmatic69> I am writing a little script and would like some variable passed around to all the function calls
[15:51] <directhex> don't all variables in bash have global scope?
[15:51] <gord> anything not declared as local is a global variable in bash
[15:51] <dogmatic69> ah
[15:51] <directhex> well, declared locally rather than declared as local, no?
[15:52] <dogmatic69> so foo="bar"; function{ echo $foo; } will output 'bar'
[15:52] <dogmatic69> well function name{... obviously
[15:53] <gord> no, you can't access variables declared inside a scope from outside the scope, but they are still global variables. local is variable type that makes them explicitly local
[15:53] <dogmatic69> I was doing foo="bar"; function name { foo=$1; echo $foo; } and calling "name $foo"
[15:54] <dogmatic69> I want to get from outside in. instead of having to manually set foo=$1 and passing everything to each method
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> sorry any sudden join leave notices - busy setting up a netbook
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> thanks for your patience - netbook now setup - signing off ;)
[18:23] <jacobw> hi
[18:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Big news! http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/google-v-oracle-no-patent-infringement-found/
[18:26] <jacobw> whoop
[18:26] <jacobw> imaginary property isn't real :D
[18:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some sensibleness - in America?
[18:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Amazing.
[18:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> And a jury too.
[18:27] <jacobw> trial by peers^H^H^H^H^Hrandom stupid people must suck
[18:28] <DJones> Its America, the jurors have probably had a kickback from the lawyers so they can make more money on an appeal
[18:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> It would be a non-jury trial on appeal.
[18:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> All that is needed now to really make Oracle's day is for Judge to tell them that APIs can't be copyrighted (as we recently ruled in the EU) next week.
[18:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\we\was
[18:34]  * davmor2 wonder how many of the jury got shine new samsung phones :D
[18:34] <davmor2> as a thank you obviously
[18:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> They'll be getting motorola ones.
[18:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Deal completed yesterday
[18:37] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: hmmmmm motorola you can install Ubuntu 4 android on them :)
[18:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[18:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Let's hope it is better than 12.04
[18:44] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: 12.04 rocks dude :)
[18:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not here it doesn't. Causes me no end of pain and suffering.
[18:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Workspace and multiple window handling really sucks balls.
[18:47] <jacobw> i'm in the progress of a 12.04 roll out
[18:47] <jacobw> unity is very hard to support
[18:47] <jacobw> why can't i drag icons to launcher?
[18:47] <jacobw> :|
[18:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Because.
[18:49] <davmor2> jacobw: what Icons you can drag applications to the launcher
[18:52] <jacobw> dragging .desktop from nautilus to the launcher doesn't preserve the icon
[18:56] <davmor2> jacobw: why would you open nautilus to do that just search in the dash and then add it from there
[18:58] <jacobw> i don't
[18:58] <jacobw> i drag things from the destop
[18:59] <jacobw> or rather, users i support do that
[18:59] <jacobw> i usually find that these users are representive of what most people do when confronted with an interface
[19:04] <AlanBell> I can understand dragging a .desktop not being coded for (.desktop files should not really be discovered by people) but it would be nice if dragging something that is executeable onto the launcher did something useful
[19:07] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - ngetting annoyed now! Does anyone know the link or info for instaaling a U1 client icon notification area [in panel]
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> [can't remember what it's it's called - or where I stored the info - doh!
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> it's a ppa - somewhere
[19:09] <liv> Hi , completely new to ubuntu. Is anyone available to help me with a wireless issue?
[19:10] <AlanBell> liv: maybe, what is the issue?
[19:12] <liv> AlanBell : hello. Just installed latest version of ubuntu , and cannot access the internet wirelessly. Only ethernet. I have dual boot with windows vista and have no wireless problems via that OS , so am fairly sure its a driver issue.
[19:12] <AlanBell> what wireless card is it?
[19:13] <liv> broadcom 802.11 (think its bcm4311 but cant be certain)
[19:14] <jacobw> AlanBell: well, a .desktop is the icons people typically have on their desktops
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> liv: does a list of wireless networks show up when you click the network icon?
[19:14] <jacobw> as in, launchers for applications they use
[19:15] <AlanBell> jacobw: if you go hunting about in /usr/share/applications perhaps, but why are they on the desktop?
[19:15] <jacobw> ~/Desktop from GNOME2
[19:16] <liv> MartijnVds : When I first installed , the wireless options were greyed out with a firmware missing message. I have tried a few things including searching software centre for fixes , and nothing has worked. The firmware error message has now since disappeared and no wireless networks or options appear at all. (long way of saying , no!)
[19:17] <AlanBell> liv: there is a troubleshooting guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[19:18] <liv> AlanBell : thank you , will have a look at that now
[19:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> SuperEngineer: It is called indicator-ubuntuone or the (otherway round) on LP somewhere. But I recently did a sudo apt-get purge ubuntuone coz it was rubbish.
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> TheOpenSourcerer: it's working fine for me on desktop now want to try it on 12.04 netbook - but I lost ppa info [till I went doh! & looked in my software sources list!!! [daft - ain't I?]
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://imgur.com/MSuCx.jpg
[19:54] <AlanBell> nice
[19:54]  * SuperEngineer really wants to shout praises for 12.04 UBDR - not sure if appropriate re intended useage :(   [it's on a netbook!]
[19:55] <Azelphur> UBDR?
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> Ubuntu Business Desktop Remix
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> damn!
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> given the secret away !!!   ;)
[19:56] <Azelphur> haha
[19:59] <AlanBell> I must at some stage get round to having a play with the business desktop thing
[20:00] <SuperEngineer> Canonical is missing one hell of a big selling point / opportunity not promoting it as a businees desktop *and* netbook remix - I love it - fast enough to make Jeremy Clarkeson wet his knickers!
[20:00] <AlanBell> I thought it was just ubuntu with added old versions of proprietary software
[20:01] <brobostigon> blazing saddles, itv4, :)
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: try a speed comparison - "straight" 12.04 vs. Bus Remix
[20:02] <AlanBell> straight 12.04 is blazing fast anyhow with 8GB of ram and an SSD
[20:03] <AlanBell> I was pretty disappointed at the description of the business remix
[20:03] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: that's cruel - there's no need to make me jealous ;)
[20:03] <stgraber> I'm certainly happy to confirm that the business remix doesn't have any change besides some added/removed desktop packages (including flash and citrix receiver IIRC), nothing that'd make it any faster than stock 12.04
[20:04] <SuperEngineer> I agree - The Business Remix, even at a basic level, wrongly named even!
[20:05] <AlanBell> well they have kind of missed the point of the social business
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> - should be called faster than fast remix - and netbook reviver
[20:06] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: it is probably just doing a fresh install that did it
[20:07] <SuperEngineer> nah - it was on clean disk space
[20:07] <SuperEngineer> [I only installed it on a Compaq mini for demo to firm - I found it so much faster that now it's running on my own netbook]
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> [an old Acer Aspire 150 [low spec]
[20:10]  * SuperEngineer sniggers at being a cheapskate... it saves the environment
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> 12.04 UBDR has now replaced 12.04 "normal" release on it...
[20:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E06  Summit - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/05/23/s05e06-summit/
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> ... GRUB selection to desktop [including password entry] now at approx 60% of 12.04 "normal"
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> - so now just need to need to keep kicking the bosses until they listen - no small task, multi-national company blah blah blah
[20:21] <SuperEngineer> [miind you - I've got both a 20 yr old calculator that works better than their current "supplied" Windows install
[22:26] <gordonjcp> here's a weirdness
[22:29] <gordonjcp> I can't take a screenshot when the mail/im/whatever menu is open
[22:29] <gordonjcp> also, I appear to be using an AlanBell-optimised version of pidgin
[22:30] <AlanBell> orly
[22:32] <gordonjcp> ya rly -> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4QnNiqoCSq3ajJT92157TnA83FAj-fIjLitqTOxAWn4
[22:33]  * AlanBell doesn't think that is a bug
[22:33] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it's awesome if I want to be absolutely sure I can get in touch with you
[22:35] <ali1234> yeah i've noticed that. can't do a screenshot when in a menu
[22:35] <ali1234> also i've noticed that AlanBell thing too :)
[22:36] <popey> yeah
[22:36] <popey> you have to set a timer, open the menu and wait for the screenshot
[22:36] <popey> i did ask about this some years back
[22:36] <ali1234> yeah, that's what i do
[22:36] <gordonjcp> popey: aha, genius
[22:36] <popey> but i dont recall what the issue is
[22:37] <popey> perhaps x doesn't react to non-menu keypresses or somesuch when a menu is open
[22:37] <popey> but now, bed
[22:37] <popey> nn
[22:37] <gordonjcp> I only get it doing it with AlanBell too
[22:37] <ali1234> yep same here
[22:37] <ali1234> and i get loads of indicator popups as well
[22:38]  * AlanBell gets around
[22:38] <ali1234> online offline online offline online offline
[22:38] <gordonjcp> ali1234: yeah
[22:39] <ali1234> i suspect two devices that don't handle xmpp properly and are fighting for the connection
[23:51] <Azelphur> I got imported coke from USA, vanilla flavour o.O
[23:51] <Azelphur> tastes weird
[23:53] <ali1234> i think they tried to sell that in the UK for a while
[23:54] <ali1234> presumably it just tastes exactly like cream soda
[23:54] <Azelphur> pretty much