[00:04] <jtatum> philipballew: it did?
[01:01] <bkerensa> winner winner chicken dinner two bugs fixed in one merge proposal :D
[01:32] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: any chance in hell you could pick this up for me? http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/syd/3021426258.html
[01:40] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: I will see... I just texted the guy he said something about meeting him outside Portland? For some reason he listed it in Portland even though he doesnt live here
[01:45] <DonkeyHotei> well, as long as it's convenient for both
[02:37] <philipballew> jtatum, yeah. A circuit breaker thing. I might just reinstall
[02:42] <wildintellect> is the mailing list archive on nabble?
[03:48] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: did he respond?
[04:17] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: yeah he said if i didn't meet him tonight that i c8old try to go out to beaver to meet him but he wouldn't guarantee to hold it
[04:18] <bkerensa> He said he had a possible offer in morning
[04:56] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: that was likely me
[04:57] <DonkeyHotei> make sure to mention that
[04:58] <MarkDude> This sounds like a Pink Panther movie....
[15:27] <kdub> morning ubuntubers
[16:43] <akk> Any idea what happened to the perl plugin package for xchat in pangolin?
[16:44] <akk> I'm really missing one of my plugins since upgrading -- pangolin doesn't seem to have the Xchat perl module.
[18:43] <philipballew> So if when I was upgrading lucid to persice, the power shut off, is it just worth it to reinstall, or is there an easy way to fix it?
[18:44] <philipballew> Yeah, its kinda annoying
[18:46] <akk> Even though upgrades say DO NOT INTERRUPT, I think in the download portion it might be worth trying to restart it
[18:46] <akk> since it hasn't actually changed any packages yet, just downloaded files.
[18:50] <philipballew> well akk it did change the sources file from lucid to 12.04 already
[18:51] <philipballew> If i run do-release upgrade I do get a funky error. :)
[18:51] <akk> Ah, true. Maybe if you just apt-get dist-upgrade, then?
[18:51] <philipballew> Can I manually change the sources file back?
[18:51] <pleia2> +1 akk, you don't want to run do-release-upgrade again, that'll try to upgrade it to quantal
[18:52] <pleia2> (or fail entirely at this stage :))
[18:52] <philipballew> its already saying:
[18:52] <philipballew> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python2.7-minimal'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[18:52] <philipballew> whenever I do anything with apt-get
[18:53] <philipballew> I have read the man page for that as well
[18:56] <philipballew> if the sources.list file has already been changed, wont it try to upgrade to 12.04 no matter what?
[18:58] <akk> Editing sources.list to go back to lucid is certainly worth a try (save the current version somewhere in case the back-rev doesn't work).
[19:01] <philipballew> im going to try apt-get -f install && aptitude update && aptitude -y safe-upgrade and if that does not work look for the source file.
[19:01] <philipballew> maybe for kicks ill do it as root
[19:03]  * philipballew gives akk a big high five
[19:03] <akk> yeah!
[19:03] <akk> Of course none of that would do much if you're not root. :)
[19:05] <philipballew> indeed. Ubuntu is not any less stable if I run things as root. (root as in #) ?
[19:05] <akk> I usually use root rather than sudo, myself.
[19:07] <philipballew> yeah, both are fine. The "debian way" is root
[19:08] <akk> I use sudo for apps I run a lot where I have myself listed as nopasswd in sudoers
[19:08] <akk> but for things like apt-get where I'll probably have to type multiple commands, I prefer root so I only have to type my passwd once.
[19:09] <philipballew> agreed, its just easier that way.
[19:09] <philipballew> I just do sudo su
[19:10] <akk> I have a root passwd on my own machines, but otherwise I do sudo bash (or sudo tcsh or sudo zsh).
[19:10] <akk> sudo su might make more sense
[19:10]  * philipballew loves zsh
[19:11] <philipballew> there are so many ways to get things done on a Linux system.
[19:11] <akk> Yep, the beauty of linux!
[19:12] <akk> I've been pretty happy with zsh since I switched -- took a long time to turn off a few annoyances in the autocomplete
[19:12] <akk> and I still haven't figured out how to get it to ignore #, that's the only real annoyance left.
[19:12] <akk> so I can do things like grep whatever ~/.xchat/xchatlogs/Fre<tab>#ubu<tab>us<tab>
[19:13] <philipballew> zsh is something few use, because once you learn one shell, why learn a whole new way of doing things
[19:13] <philipballew> do any distros use zsh by default? not iirc.
[19:13] <akk> I used csh/tcsh for <mumble really big number> years, and only switched to zsh about a year ago.
[19:14] <philipballew> I like that
[19:14] <akk> Tried a couple times to switch to bash, but it has some really bad history bugs that I couldn't tolerate.
[19:14] <akk> But zsh seems to have most of the good features of both bash and csh.
[19:15] <akk> (Along with about a gazillion other features that would take a lifetime to learn -- it's the emacs of shells. :)
[19:19] <philipballew> emacs is crazy!
[19:20] <philipballew> Does anyone know of a place to find a default 10.04 sources.list file?
[19:21] <philipballew> hey look! http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[19:22] <akk> Cool!
[19:22] <akk> What a good idea.
[19:26] <philipballew> probably a doog idea do do a dpkg reconfigure and apt get -f and what not
[19:26] <philipballew> *good
[19:51] <raevol> philipballew: now putting winxp on a virtual machine to run ms office
[20:01] <bkerensa> >.<
[20:01] <bkerensa> why run ms office?
[20:04] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: any news on that battery?
[20:04] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: no response this morning
[20:06] <raevol> bkerensa: my work :(
[20:07] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: apparently he does some sort of driving for a living because he told me yesterday its kind of a hit or miss thing... I have to be ready to hop whenever is good for him
[20:07] <bkerensa> I think he commutes between Gresham/Troutdale and Beaverton
[20:07] <DonkeyHotei> ok
[20:08] <bkerensa> on another note I hear Lubuntu is dying pretty fast?
[20:09] <DonkeyHotei> not what they said at uds, but then, you were there
[20:09] <bkerensa> yeah this happened more recent
[20:09] <bkerensa> people have resigned
[20:09] <bkerensa> and there was a blow up on their mailing list and irc
[20:14] <DonkeyHotei> :(
[20:21] <raevol> ok virtualbox seamless mode is the nuttiest thing of my life
[20:25] <DonkeyHotei> then don't use it
[20:33] <raevol> no i mean that in a good way
[20:35] <DonkeyHotei> oh
[20:36] <DonkeyHotei> personally, i find it annoying
[20:38] <raevol> it's great for me because i need to jump back and forth between tasks on my host and guest
[20:38] <raevol> i would guess that a user's mileage with it would depend a lot on their use case
[22:18] <philipballew> I wonder if wine runs it well
[22:20] <raevol> philipballew: i intend to try to get it working in wine, but on my first try it fails terribly
[22:22] <philipballew> what version of ms offics?
[22:22] <philipballew> also, id try upstream wine,
[22:27] <philipballew> Attemting upgrade to 12.04 again!!!
[22:56] <philipballew> bkerensa, How can Lubuntu die when Its my distro!
[22:57] <bkerensa> simple? Everyone gets in big fight and resigns?
[22:57] <bkerensa> https://plus.google.com/117485690627814051450/posts/4fR1Xgayf5R
[22:57] <philipballew> The Internet is a easy place to get feelings hurt.
[22:58]  * philipballew sees his time to shine and take the lead
[22:58] <bkerensa> heh
[22:59] <philipballew> Maybe Ill stay on Squeeze for a while with the desktop
[23:01] <philipballew> im 50 percent lxde 50 percent gnome. Though all run gtk
[23:05] <philipballew> raevol, hows the vm going?
[23:05] <raevol> decent
[23:05] <raevol> well
[23:05] <raevol> the VM is great
[23:05] <philipballew> If you want, you can try cross over as well
[23:05] <raevol> this order management software we are using is terribad
[23:05] <philipballew> or reactos if you feel like hacking
[23:05] <raevol> eh
[23:07] <philipballew> vmware or virtualbox?
[23:08] <raevol> virtualbox
[23:08] <raevol> ose
[23:08] <raevol> from the repos
[23:08] <raevol> AS LAZY AS POSSIBLE
[23:08] <raevol> (while not running windows)
[23:08] <raevol> (on metal)(
[23:13] <philipballew> I would not recommend a bare metal windows install
[23:14] <raevol> me either
[23:14] <raevol> thus the VM
[23:15] <philipballew> What ms office program do you need to run?
[23:15] <philipballew> excel or access or something like that?
[23:16] <kdub> juju install windows?
[23:18] <philipballew> might get some geek cred if you write tht
[23:19] <philipballew> They say Charms can be written in any Language. I am still looking for a more obscure language to write one in just for kicks.
[23:19] <kdub> philipballew: try golang, its my favorite 'new' language
[23:20] <philipballew> funny that I had to google it to see what it is.
[23:20] <kdub> great concurrency model :D
[23:21] <raevol> philipballew: need to run word and excel, and then a crappy order management software that runs in access
[23:21] <raevol> funny story: the order manager runs faster in WinXP in VirtualBox in Ubuntu than it did in WinXP "Mode" in Windows 7
[23:21] <philipballew> Scumbag Oracle
[23:22] <raevol> virtualbox-ose
[23:24] <raevol> yay it's fun having pidgin and irc at work again :D
[23:28] <philipballew> aint no party like an IRC party!
[23:28] <philipballew> Holla!!!
[23:32] <philipballew> I think im going to make a terminal pluggin to play action songs whenever I do anything cool from it.
[23:43] <kdub> philipballew: did you apply for summer of code?
[23:47] <philipballew> Did not make it. Next year I will be. applying as well kdub
[23:48] <philipballew> not sure what project
[23:51] <philipballew> kdub, Birdrock good these days?
[23:55] <kdub> sure, same as always :D