[00:04] philipballew: it did? [01:01] winner winner chicken dinner two bugs fixed in one merge proposal :D [01:32] bkerensa: any chance in hell you could pick this up for me? http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/syd/3021426258.html [01:40] DonkeyHotei: I will see... I just texted the guy he said something about meeting him outside Portland? For some reason he listed it in Portland even though he doesnt live here [01:45] well, as long as it's convenient for both [02:37] jtatum, yeah. A circuit breaker thing. I might just reinstall [02:42] is the mailing list archive on nabble? [03:48] bkerensa: did he respond? [04:17] DonkeyHotei: yeah he said if i didn't meet him tonight that i c8old try to go out to beaver to meet him but he wouldn't guarantee to hold it [04:18] He said he had a possible offer in morning [04:56] bkerensa: that was likely me [04:57] make sure to mention that [04:58] This sounds like a Pink Panther movie.... [15:27] morning ubuntubers [16:43] Any idea what happened to the perl plugin package for xchat in pangolin? [16:44] I'm really missing one of my plugins since upgrading -- pangolin doesn't seem to have the Xchat perl module. [18:43] So if when I was upgrading lucid to persice, the power shut off, is it just worth it to reinstall, or is there an easy way to fix it? [18:44] Yeah, its kinda annoying [18:46] Even though upgrades say DO NOT INTERRUPT, I think in the download portion it might be worth trying to restart it [18:46] since it hasn't actually changed any packages yet, just downloaded files. [18:50] well akk it did change the sources file from lucid to 12.04 already [18:51] If i run do-release upgrade I do get a funky error. :) [18:51] Ah, true. Maybe if you just apt-get dist-upgrade, then? [18:51] Can I manually change the sources file back? [18:51] +1 akk, you don't want to run do-release-upgrade again, that'll try to upgrade it to quantal [18:52] (or fail entirely at this stage :)) [18:52] its already saying: [18:52] E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python2.7-minimal'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) [18:52] whenever I do anything with apt-get [18:53] I have read the man page for that as well [18:56] if the sources.list file has already been changed, wont it try to upgrade to 12.04 no matter what? [18:58] Editing sources.list to go back to lucid is certainly worth a try (save the current version somewhere in case the back-rev doesn't work). [19:01] im going to try apt-get -f install && aptitude update && aptitude -y safe-upgrade and if that does not work look for the source file. [19:01] maybe for kicks ill do it as root [19:03] * philipballew gives akk a big high five [19:03] yeah! [19:03] Of course none of that would do much if you're not root. :) [19:05] indeed. Ubuntu is not any less stable if I run things as root. (root as in #) ? [19:05] I usually use root rather than sudo, myself. [19:07] yeah, both are fine. The "debian way" is root [19:08] I use sudo for apps I run a lot where I have myself listed as nopasswd in sudoers [19:08] but for things like apt-get where I'll probably have to type multiple commands, I prefer root so I only have to type my passwd once. [19:09] agreed, its just easier that way. [19:09] I just do sudo su [19:10] I have a root passwd on my own machines, but otherwise I do sudo bash (or sudo tcsh or sudo zsh). [19:10] sudo su might make more sense [19:10] * philipballew loves zsh [19:11] there are so many ways to get things done on a Linux system. [19:11] Yep, the beauty of linux! [19:12] I've been pretty happy with zsh since I switched -- took a long time to turn off a few annoyances in the autocomplete [19:12] and I still haven't figured out how to get it to ignore #, that's the only real annoyance left. [19:12] so I can do things like grep whatever ~/.xchat/xchatlogs/Fre#ubuus [19:13] zsh is something few use, because once you learn one shell, why learn a whole new way of doing things [19:13] do any distros use zsh by default? not iirc. [19:13] I used csh/tcsh for years, and only switched to zsh about a year ago. [19:14] I like that [19:14] Tried a couple times to switch to bash, but it has some really bad history bugs that I couldn't tolerate. [19:14] But zsh seems to have most of the good features of both bash and csh. [19:15] (Along with about a gazillion other features that would take a lifetime to learn -- it's the emacs of shells. :) [19:19] emacs is crazy! [19:20] Does anyone know of a place to find a default 10.04 sources.list file? [19:21] hey look! http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ [19:22] Cool! [19:22] What a good idea. [19:26] probably a doog idea do do a dpkg reconfigure and apt get -f and what not [19:26] *good [19:51] philipballew: now putting winxp on a virtual machine to run ms office [20:01] >.< [20:01] why run ms office? [20:04] bkerensa: any news on that battery? [20:04] DonkeyHotei: no response this morning [20:06] bkerensa: my work :( [20:07] DonkeyHotei: apparently he does some sort of driving for a living because he told me yesterday its kind of a hit or miss thing... I have to be ready to hop whenever is good for him [20:07] I think he commutes between Gresham/Troutdale and Beaverton [20:07] ok [20:08] on another note I hear Lubuntu is dying pretty fast? [20:09] not what they said at uds, but then, you were there [20:09] yeah this happened more recent [20:09] people have resigned [20:09] and there was a blow up on their mailing list and irc [20:14] :( [20:21] ok virtualbox seamless mode is the nuttiest thing of my life [20:25] then don't use it [20:33] no i mean that in a good way [20:35] oh [20:36] personally, i find it annoying [20:38] it's great for me because i need to jump back and forth between tasks on my host and guest [20:38] i would guess that a user's mileage with it would depend a lot on their use case [22:18] I wonder if wine runs it well [22:20] philipballew: i intend to try to get it working in wine, but on my first try it fails terribly [22:22] what version of ms offics? [22:22] also, id try upstream wine, [22:27] Attemting upgrade to 12.04 again!!! [22:56] bkerensa, How can Lubuntu die when Its my distro! [22:57] simple? Everyone gets in big fight and resigns? [22:57] https://plus.google.com/117485690627814051450/posts/4fR1Xgayf5R [22:57] The Internet is a easy place to get feelings hurt. [22:58] * philipballew sees his time to shine and take the lead [22:58] heh [22:59] Maybe Ill stay on Squeeze for a while with the desktop [23:01] im 50 percent lxde 50 percent gnome. Though all run gtk [23:05] raevol, hows the vm going? [23:05] decent [23:05] well [23:05] the VM is great [23:05] If you want, you can try cross over as well [23:05] this order management software we are using is terribad [23:05] or reactos if you feel like hacking [23:05] eh [23:07] vmware or virtualbox? [23:08] virtualbox [23:08] ose [23:08] from the repos [23:08] AS LAZY AS POSSIBLE [23:08] (while not running windows) [23:08] (on metal)( [23:13] I would not recommend a bare metal windows install [23:14] me either [23:14] thus the VM [23:15] What ms office program do you need to run? [23:15] excel or access or something like that? [23:16] juju install windows? [23:18] might get some geek cred if you write tht [23:19] They say Charms can be written in any Language. I am still looking for a more obscure language to write one in just for kicks. [23:19] philipballew: try golang, its my favorite 'new' language [23:20] funny that I had to google it to see what it is. [23:20] great concurrency model :D [23:21] philipballew: need to run word and excel, and then a crappy order management software that runs in access [23:21] funny story: the order manager runs faster in WinXP in VirtualBox in Ubuntu than it did in WinXP "Mode" in Windows 7 [23:21] Scumbag Oracle [23:22] virtualbox-ose [23:24] yay it's fun having pidgin and irc at work again :D [23:28] aint no party like an IRC party! [23:28] Holla!!! [23:32] I think im going to make a terminal pluggin to play action songs whenever I do anything cool from it. [23:43] philipballew: did you apply for summer of code? [23:47] Did not make it. Next year I will be. applying as well kdub [23:48] not sure what project [23:51] kdub, Birdrock good these days? [23:55] sure, same as always :D