[02:16] greg-g: woot! lit up like a christmas tree [02:17] get a ton of looks, but really like riding at night [02:37] i would poop my pants every time a car went by [02:43] hah, actually was pretty nice [02:44] freaked out one biker who pulled to the side as I came towards her [02:44] kind of hard to miss the blinking thing with twin beams coming at ya [02:57] i'm slightly drunk. can someone check this to make sure it's not total crap? http://paste.mitechie.com/show/675/ [02:58] rick_h_: hah! nice [02:59] brousch: on a school night? [02:59] eh? [02:59] drunk [03:01] yeah, turns out this beer i drank is 9% alcohol [03:01] at least i'm at home [03:03] brousch: oh nice, founders? [03:04] brewery vivant [03:04] mmmm brewery vivant [03:04] was there last night for a work thing [03:04] and my hard cider mug was never empty [03:04] i think i had 8? [03:04] http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/24678/71402 [03:05] ah i heard that was great [03:05] damn my gluten alergy [03:05] pretty good [03:05] 9% ki9cks my butt [03:06] oooo, a saison, love those [03:06] brousch, did you do a meeting there? [03:06] no, it is a can i bought [03:06] ah nice :) [11:27] uhggg, the soreness is strong [11:34] Good morning [11:39] party [11:39] reminder CHC tonight [11:41] +1 will be there. [11:41] I usually get there early. I go right after work [11:41] Do we have the room yet? [11:42] party on, more hacking time [11:43] I am slowly getting through that tut. I am on step 5 now, making templates. I keep having problems forgetting to start the venv lol I think I have that memorized now lol. :D [11:56] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1593/detail/ [11:57] shakes808: awesome, repeat is good for you [11:57] yeaup :D [11:59] snap-l: on that loco.ubuntu link, the FB like and count box is shaking lol almost like it is a kid who knows the answer "OH! OH! OH! PICK ME! PICK ME!" [11:59] lol [12:03] i don't see shaking [12:23] I took a video with my phone. working on getting a link to it [12:23] put it in your dropbox public folder [12:23] or ubuntuone, if you swing that way. [12:24] lol I am at work, haven't fully got into the UbuntuOne thing. I think I set it up. Dropbox it is ;) hold on [12:27] it is an mp4, on Windows box at work brought it up in QuickTime. Not sure what others are using or what mp4 is compatible with. I can't change the format of the file that my phone takes. :( [12:27] it is about 1/3 uploaded [12:29] wow, smoothest bug report ever! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloudprint/+bug/1003390 [12:29] found the package, added bug, off it went. [12:30] Went up on google docs faster :D https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwyEnz3QXUWfdHJYdmNVNG9Xd1U [12:30] freakish [12:31] lol [12:31] yeah, IE for ya ;) [12:31] you poor, poor man [12:32] Doesn't happen in Chrome [12:32] IE needs to go away [12:32] or get better lol [12:33] The compatibility for IE v EVERY OTHER browser is horrid in about 80% of newer conventions of CSS and JS [12:33] That is one thing I don't like about web dev. [12:34] making things IE compatible v Chrome/FF/Safari... capatible lol [12:35] rick_h_ says you're doing it wrong. go read more YUI docs [12:35] HA HA [12:44] shakes808: It's by design. I think all Facebook buttons shake [12:44] like the ol' punch the monkey banner ads [12:45] only IE supports the tag [12:52] lol [13:16] rick_h_: snap-l what kind of microphones do you guys use for your podcast? [13:17] jcastro: snap-l uses a snowball and I use an audio technica AT2020 [13:19] jcastro: oh sorry, I upgraded to the at 2035 [13:19] ah, I was thinking about a snowball [13:19] I think he dreams up upgrading to the yeti [13:20] so I'd start there if you were going fresh [13:23] ooh that looks nice [13:23] yea, think it's an upgraded snowball [13:23] do you have like a fancy arm for yours [13:23] yea [13:24] for all the webcasts and videos i do at work i use a snowball [13:24] nice for swinging in for stand ups, out of the wya when done [13:24] as the mic [13:24] oh dude, it has a headphone output right on it [13:24] SOLD [13:24] jcastro: https://plus.google.com/photos/fromphone/5730219334788248274 can you see that? [13:25] nope [13:25] I love the snowball mic, but I'd love to play with the Yeti sometime [13:25] just to see if it sounds better [13:26] jcastro: shared the pic with you on G+ [13:26] this is for G+ and Google On Air! things [13:26] so it really just needs to be better than the built in mic on my camera [13:26] yea, not hard [13:26] yeti is a nice price too [13:26] Snowball will get you that in spades [13:26] should I get a pop filter thing? [13:26] jcastro: you just try a noise cancelling BT headset? [13:26] I did that for a G+ hangout at the coffee shop the other day [13:26] snap-l: snowball looks like it needs a stand [13:27] wonder if that would just sound nice [13:27] jcastro: it comes with a desk stand [13:27] rick_h_: no more BT for me, that tech can die in a fire [13:27] hah [13:27] jcastro: BT is great, when it works [13:27] snap-l: is there a headphone plug on it too? [13:27] jcastro: No [13:27] damn [13:28] It just has a USB port on the back, as well as a directional switch [13:28] I've actually taken it apart. It's pretty solid inside [13:28] the yeti has a headphone jack, I'd need that, now that I take my layout into account [13:28] (my computer is under my desk) [13:28] jcastro: You won't hurt my feelings one iota if you get a Yeti [13:28] jcastro: other thing is to just run a cable [13:28] I'm going to run a headphone extender and mount it under the front of hte standing desk [13:29] snap-l: we're gearheads, I can't buy the same model as you, I have to go further! [13:29] just understand that what you're hearing in the headphone jack might not be 100% what is getting fed to the computer [13:29] well I was thinking so I didn't need to use external speakers during a call [13:29] I think the headphone jack is just for the mic [13:29] not for the computer [13:30] jcastro: yea, I plug into my laptop itself, but want to run a a real line from the doc and mountit right under the lip of the desktop as an easy plug point [13:30] that's a good idea for when I move and have a more permanent desk [13:30] Oh, it is a two-way [13:30] n/m me then [13:31] where did you find that? [13:31] http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/08/11/blue_yeti_mic/ [13:31] jcastro: Normal caveats of pulseaudio apply. [13:32] right, I haven't investigated that yet [13:33] the only bummer is I like to type when I talk [13:33] and there's really no way around that other than a headset [13:33] jcastro: If you had a quiet keyboard, you wouldn't have a problem with that. :) [13:33] yea, why I like the mic on an arm [13:33] rick_h_: ah ok, so I can eventually get an arm [13:34] oh hey guys, I'm home this weekend [13:34] can move it away from the keyboard, mic right in the mouth kind of thing [13:34] if you guys want to do shit on friday lmk [13:34] Yeah,, even the snowball can be put on an arm [13:34] jcastro: dude! [13:34] jcastro: Totally [13:34] I was going to go hang out with aaron and the other guys [13:34] this is our short trip but we'll be back a few weeks after [13:35] rick_h_: you use headphones too right? [13:35] jcastro: yea [13:36] I don't when we're on the call, and I have no problems with feedback [13:36] hey if you're on an arm, and the speakers are behind the mic, can you get away w/o headphones? [13:36] for calls I mean, not like, podcasts. [13:36] at least none that I'm aware of. [13:36] ah good good [13:36] jcastro: no idea, just haven't tried it [13:37] I usually have things down pretty lown, though, so YMMV [13:37] if your calls sound like you're standing in front of the MCP, it might have feedback issues. [13:38] heh [13:39] I need to find a better way to do audio in my office [13:39] I think I need to bite the bullet and get a receiver [13:39] too many inputs [13:39] jcastro: Come back to Michigan. We have less echo [13:39] we're coming back so she can interview [13:39] so yeah, probably [13:40] (hope hope hope) [13:40] lmk where we can send the bribery [13:40] she has two interviews this week [13:40] one for Ann Arbor [13:40] one for Birmingham [13:41] I can't afford birmingham [13:41] and if you could, would you? [13:41] I'd prefer to live outside of it [13:41] * jcastro is partial to Rochester Hills [13:41] I mean t to send bribes [13:41] oh [13:43] Hardest part about Birmingham is navigating around black cadillacs driven by women who can barely see over the sterring wheel, and are determined to take that parking spot. [13:44] I just hate richers [13:49] I <3 that the expense report (in Excel) and receipts (electronically delivered) for software and ebooks (electronically delivered) has to be printed and physically signed. [13:50] made sure to use the fountain pen to sign it. :) [13:52] Another good deal on a 120GB SSD http://goo.gl/H63jX [13:52] rick_h_: I am disappoint on the new Thinkpads [13:52] was hoping the X1 would be smaller [13:52] I want an ultrabook now [13:52] jcastro: yea, I didn't get that [13:52] but a proper thinkpad [13:53] I'm going to get the x230 and give it a shot [13:53] the X230 looks awesome [13:53] I've heard ok things about the keybaord change [13:53] but man, it's the same laptop I have now [13:53] it's my upgrade come june [13:53] nice [13:53] My 220 is falling apart [13:53] so I'm close [13:53] you currently have i7 gen 3 with 8gb of ram/ [13:53] I like the thinkpad chiclet, it's the one thing I miss from the X120e I sold snap-l [13:53] heh, my 201 is cooking string, thinking if seeing if hte wife wants it [13:53] brousch: Yeah, the prices have come down dramatically. Was looking at Best Buy, and they had similar Intel models pretty cheap [13:53] ok, well I'm nervous, but will hold out hope [13:53] I have an x220i, it's an i3 with 4gb of RAM [13:54] I don't need like, i7's and stuff, I use the cloud. :) [13:54] I love the keyboard on the X120e [13:54] rick_h_: If you want to try it at CHC tonight, LMK [13:54] jcastro: you don't have to run launchpad tests :P [13:54] indeed [13:54] but yea, I'm just hoping the kernel is precise is ready [13:54] I don't want to have to do quantal too early because of drivers [13:54] :/ [13:55] rick_h_: That's usually why I hang back on new hardware [13:55] I hate arrows, and the view from behind is pretty nice. [13:55] yea, but I'm eager for upgrade, it's a double edge sword. with the 2 dozen launchpad ppas I need to worry about ugh [13:56] it's either that or I do go desktop, but then I know I'll regret going back to two full machines again [13:57] Get a beefy SSH box. ;) [13:57] i buy 2 or 3 year old machines [13:57] you'll be fine on all the new thinkpads with precise [13:57] ivy bridge runs awesome ootb all across the board [13:58] jcastro: yea, hoping that's the case [13:58] no it's the case, it's all certified already [13:58] * jcastro has been following with the hardware enablement guys [13:58] nice, in that case "take my $$ lenovo!" [13:58] indeed [13:58] he couldn't really tell me at first [13:59] but it was like "wait until April wink wink" [13:59] june is what's been reported, start of june [13:59] review time just finished up at a good time :) [14:03] btw: We updated the MUG site last night [14:03] http://www.mug.org/membership/ [14:04] Yes, there is actually information on how to join. AMAZING! [14:05] lol [14:05] going all professional...what have you done to my MUG? [14:05] rick_h_: Pretty soon you'll get electronic invoices for membership [14:05] you need a new logo [14:06] No more spending $100 on postage [14:06] brousch: We have one, but we need to find the files [14:06] MUG has been around 25 years [14:06] Hoping to get a presentation on the history of MUG at some point [14:07] hah, cool idea [14:08] WEll, we have this amazing history that only a few members know about [14:09] wtf is brewery vivant? [14:09] snap-l: LOL got the paypal stuff up on there now :D [14:09] * jrwren is reading the log, can you tell? [14:10] zomg, GR brewery I didn't know about. [14:10] shakes808: I can neither confirm or deny that you helped aid that. [14:10] Soon :D [14:10] HA HA [14:10] jrwren: you weren't there man...you wouldn't understand :P [14:10] jrwren: a newish microbrewery in GR http://www.breweryvivant.com/ [14:10] it's maybe 2 years old? [14:10] it's in an old church [14:11] All of the good breweries and restaurants are. [14:12] That looks nice [14:12] But here is where I go [14:12] http://www.dragonmead.com/ [14:13] wow, hook them up with a new website [14:17] I have thought about it [14:17] lol [14:18] maybe when I get a little better with the python stuff, I can experiment on it :D ;) [14:19] even Shmohz's site is better, and it's a hole in the wall http://schmohz.com/ [14:19] I am going to mess around with my other live site when I get my python skillz honed better as well [14:21] brousch: that site is a wordpress site. Dragon Mead's site looks like it was made from scratch. [14:21] you guys check out the google doodle? [14:21] I imagine that's where snap-l disappeared to [14:22] jcastro: YAY FOR COMING BACK! [14:22] jcastro: pick ann arbor. There is much better beer here. [14:23] n00b question, if I build a computer, could I load iOS?L [14:24] shakes808: dragonmead is nice. [14:24] jrwren: Jolly Pumpkin's is delicious :D [14:24] haha [14:27] shakes808: you can build what's called a hackintosh and load OSX on it, but that's not really legal. as far as i know you can't load iOS on anything except what apple has blessed [14:28] That is what I thought [14:28] Thank you [14:29] a buddy was asking and that is about what I said to him, wanted confirmation [14:46] rick_h_: har har [14:47] shakes808: I think you mean MacOSX [14:47] oh come on, you're not recording some tunes? [14:47] rick_h_: I already have software synths. :) [14:47] yeah, all the same lol Apple [14:47] lol [14:47] but yeah, this is an awesome doodle [14:48] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rot9uaVO8s&feature=player_embedded speaking of awesome [14:49] On America's Got Talent over the weekend there was something like this [14:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9eliSCvq0U&feature=related [14:55] That is really cool [14:55] yea, love that punch sequence [14:55] rick_h_: thanks for that :) [14:56] greg-g: I'm on my 3rd viewing, so awesome [14:57] after this I'll get back to work, promise! [14:57] heh [14:58] rick_h_: yeah, I have this grant proposal to right today, but that was a good way to start the day [14:58] right? write [14:58] wow, good thing I'm not the last pass :) [14:58] hah [15:05] brousch: what is "illegal" about hackintosh. [15:05] A: nothing, but you break a EULA (which is no "illegal") [15:07] fine [15:07] sorry, should have been more pedantic in my response [15:10] the google doodle killed my laptop's midi [15:10] played 1 note, scratch, now nothing [15:16] rick_h_: do you import logging and then logger=logging.getLogger(__name__) and then logger.info(..) in many of your modules? [15:17] define illegal: if it is against the EULA, then it is illegal (see definition #2: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal ) [15:17] specifically do you do so in django views so you can observe runtime behavior? [15:17] jrwren: yea [15:17] jrwren: oh, in django views...not sure on that yet [15:18] we don't have logging setup right in our current thing atm [15:18] jrwren: if it's dev/etc I tend to use ipdb [15:18] logging is just for...well loggging [15:18] well, if you didn't do django, I'd be asking about your pylons controllers nad views. [15:18] so yea, I do some logging if it's important, warning/info level [15:18] or running a test, and I go back and check teh logs [15:18] I'm thinking more QA/Prod [15:18] but generally not really, logging can be expensive, disk access, etc [15:18] I'd like to be able to answer questions when my users say "such and such happened..>" [15:19] off by default of course :) [15:19] that stuff should generally should go more into an external app like sentry/etc [15:19] how does that work? [15:19] jrwren: yea, so I think my answer is yes [15:19] jrwren: basically ships the data off to a sync call to a web service [15:19] and then you can monitor/aggregate across installs, do searching/etc [15:19] ah, interesing [15:20] https://github.com/dcramer/sentry [15:21] so say you run 3 app servers, they report to a single sentry you monitor [15:22] jrwren: so beware logging, anything you do in that logging is run [15:22] so if you format a string, etc, it's called even if hte logging is off [15:22] yup, was already there reading :) [15:22] the .debug/info/etc is still a function call that runs [15:22] and the string formatting and expense case is the same as .NET :) [15:22] ok, yea so you can hurt yourself if you do stuff like log.debug(someexpensivefunction()) [15:22] right. [15:22] right, but you might log more than a string [15:22] yea [15:23] i had sent a patch to log4net that took llambdas [15:23] log.debug( lambda: someexpsnsivefunction()) [15:23] ah, nice [15:23] and the imple of debug checks if logging is on and if not doesn't execute [15:23] even less typing in C# cuz the lambda: becomes()=> [15:23] ha, less characters, more keystrocks cuz of all teh SHIFT [15:24] wow, my typing is terrible. appologies. [15:38] anyone know the story behind dhclient logging to syslog verbosely by defualt? [15:38] or has it always been that way and I just didn't know it? [15:38] verbosely as in logging every time it hiccups? [15:38] That's been like that for a few releases no [15:39] at least it's been that way on my 11.04 machine [15:39] Can't remember precisely when it changed. [15:45] jcastro? http://wtfcontent.com/img/133350120446.jpg [15:53] http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Representative-Table.aspx [16:04] snap-l: I wonder what happens if somebody specifies month "NULL". [16:04] :-) [16:07] Or if soemone enters muerte";drop table dates; [16:08] * devinheitmuell-1 thinks of "Little Bobby Tables" [16:08] a-yep [16:08] xkcd.com/327/ [17:28] there is 1 comment http://www.mlive.com/opinion/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/05/question_of_the_day_how_can_gr.html [17:29] crap, forgot the headphones at the coffee shop again :/ [17:30] Might have someone else coming to CHC tonight [17:30] cool [17:30] who you wrangling up? [17:30] I miss CHC. :-( [17:31] The founder of Olark.com [17:31] I still don't think we have the room, but maybe [17:31] oh yea? awesome. I know some of those guys [17:31] steiza/etc [17:31] good guys, on my backup list when I joined canonical [17:31] Yeah, Ben Congleton [17:31] nice [17:36] Ben? he's an SI grad [17:36] (the school I attended there) [17:45] Yeah, Mouly sent him my way. [17:46] Ann Arbor: The Silicon Valley of the mitten state [17:47] MOULY! [17:47] I still have one of Moul's books, heh [17:47] Mouly, that is [17:48] Yeah, he wondered if I remembered him [17:48] Nobody forgets Mouly [17:50] Also, is it just me, or has the inclusion of Lucia pretty much made KMFDM albums the same? [17:51] Seriously, I used to wait patiently for nw albums, now I couldn't care less. [17:52] http://www.metalinjection.net/shocking-revelations/metallica-cant-live-off-their-royalties-anymore?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+metalinjection+%28Metal+Injection+%3A%3A+Latest+Updates%29 [18:03] Host 'CaboWabo', running Linux 3.2.0-24-generic - Cpu0: Intel 2327 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2327 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2327 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2327 MHz; Up: 11d+18:15; Users: 1; Load: 1.32; Free: [Mem: 133/1994 Mio] [Swap: 2036/2036 Mio] [/: 216089/235910 Mio] [/boot: 189/228 Mio]; Vpenis: 113.1 cm; [18:03] reboot time. damn kernel upgrades [18:06] 11days uptime with a 113cm penis? [18:07] Apparently those e-mails really do work [18:08] even cumulatively [18:09] nnWOW [18:09] wow [18:10] I love the judge in the Google / Oracle trial [18:11] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57439320-38/oracle-google-jury-stymied-by-more-technical-questions/ [18:14] snap-l: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/google-v-oracle-no-patent-infringement-found/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29&utm_content=Google+Reader [18:14] Google v. Oracle: no patent infringement found [18:18] weee [18:25] That makes me very, very happy [18:26] Now if we can get the API issue out of the way [18:26] I'm so happy we got a programming judge [18:26] plus he laid into the lawyers for essentially muddying up the waters [19:10] snap-l: KMFDM has been pretty generic for 15 yrs. [19:15] jrwren: Yeah, I got bored during WWIII [19:15] Haven't really picked up much since then [19:20] Actually, my frined got me Hau Ruck for Christmas one year [19:34] what did i do to deserve this? "@rails_apps is now following you on Twitter" [19:40] i still like nihil and the one before it. [19:41] wtf is the one with light and drug against war? [19:45] sadness http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2012/05/23/djangobook-schluss.html [19:55] :( [19:56] django needs a new book. [19:56] most are very old. [19:56] I've got a 1.1 and a 1.0 [19:56] and i'm targetting 1.2 :( [20:10] heh, and 1.4 is current [21:01] jrwren: Angst [22:09] is there a location for deprecated repos? looking to upgrade a machine from jaunty up to present but the jaunty repos are gone [22:14] old-releases.ubuntu.com I believe [22:14] waldo323_: ^ [22:14] thanks