[06:39] <Unit193> In the roadmap, the ways to complete "Add DVD support to Xubuntu restricted extras" would be to 1. Add libdvdcss2 to xubuntu-restricted-addons and pretend that they may have medibuntu repos, 2. Automagically add the repos and install libdvdcss2, and 3. Install libdvdread4 and run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh (worst option, IMO)
[06:40] <Unit193> So I'm guessing that'll be fully ignored. :P
[06:41] <Unit193> Another option as a workaround, but be to make it easier/educate people how to do it and that it's not there by default.
[06:46] <micahg> yeah, I''m not in favor of those
[06:48] <chelz> maintaining a xubuntu-specific nonfree repository that basically mirrors the medibuntu stuff might be an option
[06:48] <Unit193> Don't think so.
[06:50] <chelz> i'm not sure how ubuntu does it but they have that "install mp3 support" during the install. could have that and have it add medibuntu repos, then maybe have some menu option in Preferences or something for "install mp3/dvd support", then also prompt the user if they put in a dvd. thing that informs them about medibuntu being added, it being a separate thing, etc
[06:52] <Unit193> MP3 support is far different than DVD support, and adding 3rd party repos isn't exactly supported (and not in main for legal reasons, along with others)[C
[06:56] <chelz> ah, would there be legal issues with something that facilitates adding 3rd party repos like medibuntu?
[06:57] <micahg> well, one's distributable, the other one is questionable
[06:59] <Unit193> There's not a great way to handle DVD support, but I'm not fond of current (or any that I said.)  Something like Kubuntu's firefox isn't really either.
[07:00] <micahg> Firefox is in the archive :()
[07:00] <micahg> :)
[07:01] <chelz> Unit193: well about 2), adding repos without the user accepting that is the iffy part in my mind. if the user is prompted then it becomes more okay
[07:01] <Unit193> chelz: That's the proposal.
[07:01] <Unit193> micahg: Yep, has an option in the menu to install it, I know that's different.
[07:15] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: great work on the update-db dialog!
[07:17] <ochosi> knome: could we please change the !panels factoid in ubottu? it links to a wordpress-post from 2007(!) for changing the panel-bg (which is an easy point-and-click action now)
[07:50] <knome> ochosi, will you come up with a new text (in paste, or in irc), and i'll update
[08:00] <ochosi> knome: ty
[08:06] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: another thing: "$n files found" is in fact incorrect, as the result-set also contains folders... maybe "$n results found" instead?
[08:09] <ochosi> bbl
[08:55] <knome> ochosi, but aren't folders files too ;)
[09:15] <ochosi> knome: yeah, well....
[09:18] <knome> ;]
[09:42] <ochosi> knome: have you tested blackbird yet?
[10:01] <knome> not yet
[10:01] <ochosi> bbl
[10:01] <knome> me too
[19:20] <bluesabre> Wow, everyone is so quiet today.
[19:20] <knome> bluesabre, nah, we're just hiding out at #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:22] <mr_pouit> do like me, don't go there, so knome has at least a chan to say bad things behind your backs (:
[19:23] <Unit193> Actually, it's me diong it.
[19:23] <knome> mr_pouit, i thought #shimmer was the blame-others channel?
[19:23] <knome> oops
[19:23] <knome> O:)
[19:26] <mr_pouit> haha
[20:26] <knome> hmph, surveymonkey doesn't support restricted surveys
[20:26] <knome> i'm really thinking that creating a google doc and inviting people in team to join
[20:27] <knome> oh wait
[20:28] <knome> yay
[20:29] <knome> ochosi, you there?
[20:29] <knome> or, anybody ;]
[20:29] <knome> (from the team...)
[20:29]  * pleia2 waves
[20:30] <knome> hai
[20:30] <knome> you'll get some email really soon
[20:30] <bluesabre> The new website is on top of wordpress right?  http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tags/survey maybe
[20:30] <pleia2> no more email D:
[20:30] <knome> pleia2, ahah :D
[20:30] <pleia2> :)
[20:30] <Unit193> I has no email...
[20:30] <knome> Unit193, yeah, you won't get any.
[20:30] <pleia2> btw, I'm mostly internetless this weekend (holiday weekend in the states, I will have a pool and bad internet connectivity)
[20:31] <len-dt> Quick question, has xubuntu been having problems building the ISOs for the last few days?
[20:33] <len-dt> knome, ^^
[20:33] <Unit193> pleia2: Haha! :)
[20:34] <knome> len-dt, i've no idea :)
[20:34] <pleia2> Unit193 :)
[20:34] <len-dt> knome Ok, Ustudio has and it looks xfce4ish so I thought I would ask.
[20:35] <pleia2> len-dt: their mailing list tracks build failures, from today: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2012-May/004096.html
[20:36] <pleia2> even though they do use xfce, they're a different build from us
[20:36] <knome> pleia2, psst... len-dt is a US developer
[20:36] <pleia2> oh :)
[20:36] <pleia2> hehe
[20:36] <pleia2> but I see their build failures are xfce related now that I look at the email
[20:36] <len-dt> Ya, I know. ;-)  We haven't (yet) made any changes
[20:37] <knome> Unit193, PM me your email where you want FOSS stuff.
[20:37] <pleia2> sorry, I'm used to answering questions from people who don't actually have a clue
[20:37]  * knome waves
[20:37] <len-dt> I see that there  are xubuntu amd64 builds but no 1386
[20:38] <len-dt> So I thought I would see if the problem is the same or not
[20:40] <Unit193> "cp: cannot stat `/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp/dists/quantal/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/non-pae/initrd.gz': No such file or directory"  Not sure that's related, but would make sense why only 386.
[20:40] <len-dt> Nope that is different.
[20:42] <len-dt> Thanks for the info.
[20:44]  * Unit193 knows nothing, just looked at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/quantal/daily-live-20120523.log
[20:45] <Unit193> knome: FOSS == Xubuntu in this case?
[20:45]  * bluesabre is going to ask all iso-related question to Unity193 from now on
[20:45] <knome> Unit193, yes. most probably xubuntu team -related stuff only
[20:45] <knome> (i prefer irc, and rarely contact people by email without agreement anyway)
[20:48] <knome> Unit193, it isn't that hard, is it?
[20:48] <knome> :|
[20:48] <Unit193> I generally never send email, but I check it quite often. (Have a few emails, and had to check if we had coffee, we're out :''( )
[20:49] <knome> everybody in the xubuntu team should have mail now
[20:50] <knome> oops, Unit193's email shows for anybody in the team
[20:50] <knome> ;)
[20:50]  * Unit193 cares not, one at least already had it, and I've sent to the list once.
[20:50] <knome> yeah.
[20:51] <pleia2> I haz for cat pix
[20:51] <Unit193> Just glad I wasn't called "Unity" again.
[20:51] <Unit193> :D
[20:51] <pleia2> lol
[20:51] <knome> pleia2, good news; you can answer now, so you don't have to do it over the weekend
[20:52] <pleia2> if I vote for something, does that mean I have to work on it? :)
[20:53] <knome> no
[20:53] <knome> the assignees are listed on the roadmap page
[20:54] <knome> you are just voting for "can the assignees start working on X"
[20:54] <knome> this is kind of... well, stupid, since all of the blueprints are added by team members
[20:55] <pleia2> so I can just approve all?
[20:55] <knome> yeah, if you don't have anything against somebody working on the items :D
[20:55] <astraljava> knome: Where did you grep the emails from? doodle?
[20:56] <pleia2> none of these are particularly controversial :)
[20:56] <knome> astraljava, personal address book + LP
[20:56] <knome> astraljava, you got something from j.j@gmail
[20:56] <knome> err, at
[20:56] <astraljava> knome: It's weird, as I hardly ever sent anything to *buntu from that address.
[20:56] <knome> really?
[20:56] <knome> i must've gathered that somewhere
[20:57] <knome> point me to something else, and i'll update accordingly
[20:57] <knome> oh right
[20:57] <knome> there it is
[20:57] <knome> @kapsi?
[20:57] <meetingology`> knome: Error: "kapsi?" is not a valid command.
[20:57] <astraljava> knome: Yep, my FLOSS email is the nick at kapsi dot countrycode.
[20:57] <knome> meetingology`, shut up.
[20:57] <meetingology`> knome: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.
[20:57] <knome> astraljava, that's set as your primary email now
[20:57] <astraljava> Thanks.
[20:58] <knome> np :)
[20:58] <knome> the more i think of it, the more stupid the whole voting seems.
[20:59] <knome> i knew it's stupid already, but ochosi talked me into doing it anyway.
[20:59]  * knome is trying to blame somebody else for needing to do redundant stuff :|
[21:00] <Unit193> I've not seen this "overlay" before.
[21:00] <knome> overlay?
[21:00] <knome> oh, that
[21:00] <knome> heh
[21:00] <knome> there's some progress on it already.
[21:01] <knome> not that we have approved working on it yet!
[21:01] <knome> damn rebels.
[21:02] <astraljava> Curses of the democracy. Oh wait, this isn't one. It's a meritocracy. Hmm...
[21:02] <knome> hehe.
[21:02] <knome> i'd love a sauna :|
[21:02] <astraljava> Hop in the bus, I'll switch it on.
[21:02] <astraljava> Bring beer.
[21:02] <knome> haha.
[21:02] <knome> :)
[21:03] <knome> <- too lazy
[21:03] <knome> but thanks for the offer
[21:03] <knome> i'll carry that on to some other day ;)
[21:04] <astraljava> Sure. :) I'll carry myself to bed now.
[21:04] <knome> hehe, good night!
[21:21] <ochosi> knome: _i_ have talked you into voting??
[21:21] <knome> hehe
[21:22] <knome> well, i remember only one conversation distantly
[21:22] <knome> i mean, after i told i wanted the team to approve
[21:22] <ochosi> i think it's rather a (late) consequence of the stupid (and otherwise consequence-less) 4chan "raid"/visit
[21:22] <knome> then i said something like "oh this is so unneeded...", and you responded "better to do it anyway" :]
[21:22]  * knome is not really blaming ochosi 
[21:22] <ochosi> hehe
[21:23] <knome> ochosi, now that you are on, you could drop in the "approve" votes :P
[21:23] <knome> or, try to decline them, let's see which one gets the majority :P
[21:23] <ochosi> heh
[21:23] <ochosi> sure, one sec, i'll be back in a minute
[21:23] <knome> yup, np
[21:23] <knome> now if we only get you and somebody else vote "approve", we're done
[21:24] <ochosi> :)
[21:24] <knome> (9 members, atm 3 have approved everything)
[21:24] <Unit193> I did check the specs for the ones I didn't know (if they had them)
[21:24] <Unit193> I'd not think there'd be much to apt-offline.
[21:24] <knome> Unit193, well, that's not even open for voting, since no assignee
[21:25] <knome> Unit193, though i'm sure we can look at that at some point of the cycle anyway...
[21:25] <Unit193> I started looking at everything left anyway.
[21:25] <knome> :)
[21:25] <knome> sure, not a bad idea
[21:25] <Unit193> I'd rather not make a commitment I don't know 100% I can complete.
[21:30] <ochosi> hmm 
[21:30] <knome> hmm hmm?
[21:30] <ochosi> if i decline my own blueprint i have less work...
[21:30] <knome> ochosi, not, unless 4 other people also decline
[21:30] <ochosi> btw, why is ubiquity-app-sets there?
[21:31] <ochosi> i thought you were against that anyway because we don't have great chances for a good a11y version
[21:31] <knome> but astraljava wanted to be the assignee.
[21:31] <knome> ;)
[21:31] <ochosi> lo
[21:31] <ochosi> l
[21:31] <knome> i think i might have declined that too
[21:31] <knome> ;)
[21:31] <knome> err,
[21:31] <knome> i could have
[21:31] <ochosi> i'm not against it
[21:32] <knome> me neither.
[21:32] <ochosi> but i was mainly wondering
[21:32] <ochosi> so anyway, i voted
[21:32] <knome> i'm just *probably* against it if it takes his time off from something else
[21:32] <knome> haha, yeah
[21:32] <ochosi> catfish and the keyboard-overlay are pretty far down the road already, so those two definitely shouldn't be declined
[21:32] <knome> somebody else up for voting? :P
[21:33] <ochosi> you should really test the new catfish, it's so much better
[21:33] <knome> ochosi, well, that's not a reason, if you think logically - vlc is far down the road already too, but we're still not going to include it
[21:33] <ochosi> kudos to bluesabre for all the hard work
[21:33] <knome> yay for bluesabre 
[21:33] <ochosi> knome: pfff ;)
[21:33] <ochosi> apps are not up for voting anyway...
[21:34] <knome> ochosi, yeah, not really, because there's not yet any spec
[21:34] <knome> ochosi, so impossible to vote
[21:34]  * knome is thinking we might be a bit late for the spec deadlines, agian
[21:34] <knome> *again
[21:34] <knome> unless people really start working on stuff :)
[21:35] <ochosi> well yes
[21:35] <ochosi> but tbh the specs where i'm involved are all going quite ok (not to brag too much, but...)
[21:35] <knome> hehe
[21:36] <knome> looks like we'd need to sit down with the QA stuff someday with the other finnish creep
[21:36] <ochosi> in fact the finnish part of xubuntu is growing lately
[21:37] <ochosi> i don't know about edii though, seems we lost him along the way
[21:37] <knome> yup, and i hope that keeps on going
[21:37] <knome> he's just damn busy :|
[21:37] <ochosi> but now there's laite (which i'm extremely happy about)
[21:37] <knome> probably when he starts studying again
[21:37] <knome> i mean, he's definitely interested
[21:38] <ochosi> you mean when he's studying he can actually slack off? :}
[21:38] <knome> and able too, for god's sake
[21:38] <ochosi> hmm
[21:38] <knome> well, isn't studying == slacking off true?
[21:38] <knome> if it isn't, damn... i've done it wrong all the time!!
[21:39] <ochosi> :)
[21:39] <ochosi> well it's definitely a phase that potentially allows you to follow all kinds of interests (to put it more diplomatically)
[21:39] <Unit193> Nice, updatedb right in the progy.
[21:39] <knome> heh
[21:39] <ochosi> Unit193: "progy"?
[21:41] <knome> reminds me of "pierogy"
[21:41] <ochosi> or "the prodigy"?
[21:41] <Unit193> Program.
[21:41] <ochosi> ah
[21:41]  * ochosi isn't street-slang-proof
[21:41] <ochosi> so you're referring to catfish
[21:44] <Unit193> Yes I am.
[21:58] <knome> GridCube, go vote @surveymonkey
[21:58] <ochosi> bbl
[22:00] <knome> yeah, i'm off for playing something on ps3 too, see you later or tomorrow
[22:00] <knome> nighty!
[22:00] <Unit193> 'Night!
[22:09] <GridCube> knome, say again
[22:09] <GridCube> ¿
[22:32] <GridCube> oh :D mailing list
[22:33] <ochosi> no, not mailing list, just plain email :)
[22:33] <GridCube> oh
[22:33] <GridCube> :P
[22:35] <GridCube> well. for the first one, i love the terminal theme :P
[22:35] <GridCube> so ill go with decline
[22:35] <ochosi> doesn't mean we'll drop it though
[22:37] <GridCube> what Ubiquity application sets means?
[22:37] <ochosi> i mean: review != drop
[22:37] <GridCube> :P i know
[22:37] <ochosi> that means people could e.g. choose to install an a11y version of xubuntu in the installer already
[22:37] <ochosi> or other kinds of default application sets
[22:37] <GridCube> but you asking me, so i say what i think we should focus, our terminal is pretty enough, doesnt need hours of working if it works
[22:39] <ochosi> hmwell, the thing is that it doesn't work too well with some terminal apps (mutt and others)
[22:39] <GridCube> the thing is i keep thinking on 4.8, :/ and being that 12.10 will be on 4.10 i think a lot of the things we are planning are going to change by default
[22:40] <ochosi> nah, not really. 4.10 only improves 4.8, it doesn't change the base
[22:40] <GridCube> i hope so
[22:41] <pleia2> it'll look like unity
[22:41]  * pleia2 runs away
[22:41] <ochosi> haha
[22:41] <ochosi> exactly
[22:41] <ochosi> and you can already test it by installing the package unity-xfce from mr_pouit's ppa :D
[22:41] <pleia2> lol
[22:42] <bluesabre-laptop> panel+bamf?
[22:42] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: yes, actually i'd love that...
[22:43] <ochosi> there's already a plugin (unreleased) that does some of that
[22:43] <ochosi> but it's in a rather unfinished state
[22:44] <ochosi> (and doesn't actually use bamf)
[22:45]  * ochosi is off to watch another episode of chuck
[22:45] <ochosi> bbiab
[22:46] <bluesabre-laptop> date night with wife... see you all tomorrow
[22:46] <ochosi> oh nice
[22:46] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: have fun!
[22:46] <ochosi> and see ya
[22:54] <mr_pouit> ubuntu-studio iso build-failures:  I filed bugs for that against ubuntustudio-meta and ubuntustudio-default-settings
[22:55] <mr_pouit> (I could directly upload myself, but I prefer if they take care of these)
[22:55] <mr_pouit> Bug #1002250
[22:55] <mr_pouit> (and Bug #1003064)
[22:57] <mr_pouit> good night ;>
[23:30] <ochosi> night everyone