[00:33] <ecolo> Hi all can i ask a qtion
[00:35] <ecolo> i have a pb with firefox conexion
[00:35] <ecolo> all was ok but today ???
[00:36] <ecolo> The server at www.google.com is taking too long to respond
[00:37] <ecolo> thanks
[01:50] <brad_> I've got a "jumping cursor" and I'm pretty sure I haven't been accidentally touching the touch pad on my laptop. It happens in any program, not when running anything specific (it just happened actually). Any ideas out there?
[02:21] <sunitasethi> dasKreech: hi
[02:21] <sunitasethi> dasKreech: i had no luck..I just gave up
[02:21] <sunitasethi> dasKreech: you are right..i am just using wireless
[02:32] <sunitasethi> hi
[02:44] <joshua1983_1> algunos hablan español
[03:46] <cancer> Hi all, :)
[03:58] <robertzaccour> how do I make my USB webcam default?
[05:29] <hanibana> I've installed amd64 kubuntu and have 4 GB physical memory. But, free commands shows 3824 MB total. What's wrong?
[05:30] <hateball> hanibana: some BIOS do stupid reservations
[05:30] <hateball> for instance on this DELL I have, it reserves ~600MB for whatever arcane reason
[05:32] <hanibana> any command to see the reserved amount?
[05:33] <hanibana> hateball: or just see BIOS settings directly?
[05:35] <hateball> hanibana: I guess that'd depend on your BIOS, if dmidecode would show anything
[05:35] <hateball> hanibana: you dont have shared memory with the GPU then?
[05:37] <hanibana> hateball: don't know.  Going to find ways to check both... thanks ;)
[05:52] <mickel> hey how do  I get folder view (thought it was called quick launch) to show complete directory path?
[05:55] <robertzaccour> anyone know if there's a ppa for kdenlive 0.9 yet?
[06:29] <ferni> robertzaccour: http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages
[06:33] <robertzaccour> ferni, thanks very much
[06:36] <hanibana> How can I migrate my Kontact data from my previous system (Fedora 14) to Kubuntu? any folder to copy? is there any database?
[07:01] <L3top> hanibana: checkout ~/.kde4/share/apps/kabc/
[07:01] <L3top> or ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/  depending
[07:05] <hanibana> L3top: copied, but no todo/contacts in new Kontact.
[07:05] <Tm_T> hanibana: it should be enough if you launch akonaditray, make backup of your akonadi database with it, and then restore the database from backup in the new system
[07:06] <hanibana> Tm_T: ok, going to test...
[07:06] <forgeaus> does KDE have a network utilities equivalent?
[07:06] <forgeaus> by that I mean ping, whois, tracert, etc
[07:08] <lordievader> forgeaus: Linux has ping, traceroute and an equivalent for whois doesn't spring to mind right now. Hold on.
[07:08] <forgeaus> no I mean a gui KDE4 tool
[07:08] <forgeaus> Network tool or network utilites depends on what OS/System you come from its usually called something like that
[07:09] <forgeaus> apparently Ubuntu has one (gtk based I guess by the look of it)
[07:10] <lordievader> forgeaus: Phew good question, I don't know of any gui who can do this.
[07:21] <Mamarok> forgeaus: you should have a look at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KSniffer?content=26258
[07:22] <Mamarok> but unfortunately it hasn't been ported to KDE4
[07:28] <hateball> forgeaus: you can use zenmap
[07:28] <hateball> ugh
[07:28] <hateball> I see the ubuntu packages have silly dependencies
[07:30] <Mamarok> but I don't really see the need of a GUI tool for these services, much easier to do in a konsole
[07:32] <hateball> the nmap syntax can be quite daunting if you're a first time user :)
[07:33] <hanibana> Tm_T: my previous OS is really broken due to file system issues. But, I have its .kde files. Any other way?
[07:33] <Mamarok> forgeaus: I suggest also searching in http://qt-apps.org/ and http://server-apps.org/
[07:34] <Tm_T> hanibana: copying all the related files, ~/.config/akonadi/ among the others
[07:36] <hanibana> yeah ok.
[07:36] <Mamarok> forgeaus, hateball: maybe this: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/nmapsi4?content=98515
[07:37] <Mamarok> more info is here: http://www.nmapsi4.org/
[07:38] <Mamarok> and it is in the Ubuntu repos
[07:41] <forgeaus> thx
[07:45] <hanibana> Tm_T: no succuss with copying .config/akonadi.
[08:16] <hateball> Mamarok: hey that's cool, hadnt seen that before :)
[09:18] <Guest64686> fhy
[10:03] <forgeaus> lordievader:   if your still there OSX and Ubuntu both have them out of the box (network utility or network tools)
[10:04] <forgeaus> but ubuntu's is gtk and kubuntu doesn't have that package (but I installed ubuntu-desktop so I have it)
[11:18] <mega0wn3r> kubuntu crashed and I can't log on now. Help?
[11:18] <Peace-> mega0wn3r: ?
[11:18] <Peace-> kubuntu crashed is a bit general issue
[11:18] <Peace-> what where when
[11:20] <mega0wn3r> I had to shut off holding power button.
[11:20] <mega0wn3r> It froze using nexuiz.
[11:20] <Peace-> nexuz?
[11:21] <Peace-> what is that?
[11:21] <hateball> a game
[11:22] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: What error do you get when you try to log on?
[11:22] <mega0wn3r> Nothing.
[11:22] <mega0wn3r> It freezes.
[11:22] <mega0wn3r> Also, it makes me log in multiple times.
[11:22] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Can you still login to a tty?
[11:22] <mega0wn3r> And it shouldn't need me to log in, anyway.
[11:23] <mega0wn3r> I don't know what tty is.
[11:23] <Peace-> mega0wn3r: sudo adduser testuser
[11:23] <Peace-> mega0wn3r: sudo adduser testuser admin
[11:23] <Peace-> startkde
[11:24] <Peace-> mega0wn3r: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/try-to-fix-your-kubuntu-box-with-kernel-recovery/
[11:25] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: At your login screen press ctrl + alt + F1, to get a tty.
[11:26] <mega0wn3r> tty works
[11:27] <mega0wn3r> Now what?
[11:27] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: You can login in there? What is next is follow the advice of Peace- and try to login (gui wise) with that user.
[11:27] <mega0wn3r> kk
[11:29] <mega0wn3r> The group "admin" does not exist.
[11:32] <mega0wn3r> I made the user "testuser" then restarted and tried to log on. It brought me right back to the logon screen, though.
[11:35] <surbiks> hi
[11:37] <lordievader> Hey surbiks
[11:37] <surbiks> how can find list of app that installed
[11:38] <lordievader> surbiks: Do you want to know all the packages that are installed or just the programs?
[11:39] <surbiks> just program
[11:39] <lordievader> surbiks: Look in the start menu.
[11:40] <surbiks> no i want use this list for my widget like lanchpad
[11:41] <lordievader> surbiks: Phew I wouldn't know how to do that.
[11:42] <surbiks> ok i want to create lanchpad like as apple lanchpad in mac OS X
[11:45] <lordievader> surbiks: If you want to turn that into a plasma widget you might recieve more help in their channel: #plasma
[11:46] <lordievader> surbiks: If you want to turn that into a plasma widget you might recieve more help in their channel: #plasma
[11:47] <surbiks> lordievader : ok tnx
[11:52] <surbiks> lordievader : php channel ???
[12:15] <cancer> Hi guys
[12:16] <cancer> Is it important to have Kernals installed in Kubuntu. and how to check about kernals info. i mean i don't know if they are installed and are they too helpful with graphic card drivers?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:26] <cancer> BluesKaj: hi :), what's up
[12:26] <cancer> Is it important to have Kernals installed in Kubuntu. and how to check about kernals info. i mean i don't know if they are installed and are they too helpful with graphic card drivers?
[12:26] <cancer> Even don't know what they are for :D
[12:28] <BluesKaj> !kernel | cancer
[14:21] <ToeKutter> clear
[14:59] <level15> hi, all: i have 3 LVM volumes on 3 different servers. I formatted them as ext 4. They all mount fine. However, when the system is booting, it complains it cannot check them because of too high revision of the FS or damaged superblock (see http://pastebin.com/RVgrFk5U). If I do file -sL /dev/vg00/bacula_backups, it says it is indeed an ext4 FS, mounted or unclean. ANy ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> level15, you may wait a while for a resonse to that kind of question here, maybe the ppl at #ubuntu can help since they have more than 5X more helpers then we do.
[15:06] <level15> BluesKaj: yeah, I already asked over there, too. Thanks :-)
[15:06] <BluesKaj> level15, ok
[15:07] <level15> and on ##linux
[15:07] <level15> no luck, though
[15:07] <ikonia> level15: ok, lets take a look
[15:07] <ikonia> walk me through it a bit, with a little more detail
[15:08] <level15> ikonia: there is an LVM volume. I put an ext4 fs on it
[15:09] <level15> i can mount i no problems
[15:09] <level15> but i cannot fsck it
[15:09] <ikonia> level15: ok - one step at a time
[15:09] <ikonia> level15: this is kubuntu 12.04 ?
[15:09] <level15> yes
[15:09] <level15> wait
[15:09] <level15> no, ubuntu server 12.04
[15:09] <ikonia> ok, so let me just check
[15:09] <ikonia> !find ext
[15:09] <ikonia> !info e2fslibs,
[15:10] <ikonia> level15: where these volume's created manually or with the installer ?
[15:10] <level15> manually
[15:10] <level15> i did the vgcreate and mke2fs myself
[15:10] <level15> and lvcreate
[15:10] <ikonia> level15: ok, what was the mke2fs option you used
[15:13] <level15> ikonia: let me look them up on my history
[15:13] <ikonia> level15: great,
[15:13] <level15> ikonia: sudo mke2fs -r4 -L bacula_backups /dev/mapper/vg00-bacula_backups
[15:13] <ikonia> interesting
[15:14] <akis> paste
[15:14] <ikonia> level15: out of interest, if you just do a fsck /dev/vg00/bacula_backups
[15:15] <ikonia> what happens
[15:15] <level15> same thing, fs rev too high, no valid superblock
[15:15] <ikonia> level15: the -r flag doesn't actually set it to ext4 as I'm reading
[15:15] <ikonia> (I've never used the -r flag)
[15:16] <ikonia> -t ext4 would be creating it as ext4
[15:17] <level15> ikonia: yes
[15:17] <level15> but -r4 is supposed to do that too
[15:17] <ikonia> not as I read it
[15:17] <ikonia> can you run a "tune2fs -l /dev/vg00/bacula_backups"
[15:18] <level15> tune2fs also says invalid superblock blah blah blah :-(
[15:18] <patriss> hello
[15:18] <ikonia> level15: very interesting,
[15:19] <ikonia> level15: do you have any spare space in that volume group ?
[15:19] <level15> i can increase it a little bit
[15:19] <patriss> in our Kubuntu Pangolin we don't have yet the global shortcut for kwin, it's a bug?
[15:19] <ikonia> level15: I'm just wondering if you can make a test lv for me please.
[15:19] <patriss> s/shortcut/shortcuts/
[15:20] <level15> ikonia: what would that be? though i was just reading and i think you are right about the fs creation
[15:20] <level15> it was wrong to use -r 4
[15:20] <ikonia> level15: yeah, I think that's the glitch
[15:20] <level15> weird that file -sL /dev/... says it is ext4
[15:21] <level15> jeez this is all sooo weird
[15:21] <ikonia> level15: as I'm reading it appears there is no "revision 4" file system, so that may explain the problem
[15:21] <ikonia> level15: if you can create another LV, then do a proper ext4 creation and FS check on that new volume, I'd be interested
[15:21] <patriss> yesterday we hare lost some packet with the deinstallation of kubuntu-desktop, we have retreave use from the lastest kde 4.8.x but we have notice this now…
[15:22] <level15> ikonia: sec
[15:23] <BluesKaj> patriss, why did you remove kubuntu-desktop ...did you try to remove akonadi or nepomuk ?
[15:24] <level15> ikonia: it checks allright
[15:25] <ikonia> level15: I think we have a winner.....
[15:26] <level15> ikonia: indeed
[15:26] <level15> now I'm off to see how to change the revision back
[15:27] <patriss> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004905/
[15:28] <akis> why my 10.04 cannot proceed with updates and every time the system tries to update i am taking the following message "The specified update could not be found.It could have already been installed or no longer available on the remote server."?
[15:29] <patriss> BluesKaj: p   kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[15:29] <patriss> konqueror-shorcuts is not installed
[15:29] <patriss> it's the problem ?
[15:29] <patriss> I think no…
[15:30] <BluesKaj> patriss, search for kubuntu-desktop
[15:31] <patriss> i   kubuntu-desktop
[15:31] <patriss> installed
[15:32] <level15> hey, ikonia, thanks a lot for helping me figure out the issue
[15:32] <BluesKaj> patriss, also , aptitude still works , but it's not actively supported any longer afaik , so your dependencies may not be resolved as cleanly as with apt-get
[15:33] <patriss> ok, so what can I do ? apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> patriss, yes
[15:33] <ToeKutter> wow i had constant issues with Application menu's not wanting to come up. Is this normal for this Distro ?
[15:34] <patriss> ok I have done a apt-get remove aptitude too ^^
[15:35] <patriss> BluesKaj: I should quit the session to do that?
[15:35] <patriss> X, I want say?
[15:36] <ikonia> level15: bad news, the info I've found says you can't change the revision without re-applying the file system
[15:36] <ikonia> level15: I don't know how solid that information is though
[15:37] <BluesKaj> patriss, no need to quit session
[15:37] <patriss> ok, well I send the command line
[15:38] <akis> why my 10.04 cannot proceed with updates and every time the system tries to update i am taking the following message "The specified update could not be found.It could have already been installed or no longer available on the remote server."?
[15:39] <level15> ikonia: I'm on ext4 channel and some guy says he is trying to figure out a way to do it with a dd to the appropriate sector
[15:40] <ikonia> level15: that would be super cool
[15:40] <level15> ikonia: yeah, if it works, I'll share with you how he accomplished it
[15:40] <patriss> BluesKaj: the problems is the same
[15:41] <ikonia> level15: please do
[15:50] <level15> ikonia: dd if=/dev/vg00/bacula_backups of=/dev/vg00/bacula_backups bs=4 skip=$((256+15)) seek=$((256+19)) count=1
[15:52] <ikonia> level15: is it really that simple ?
[15:52] <level15> ikonia: it seems to be, now fsck runs, I am about to mount the fs
[15:53] <ikonia> level15: very cool
[15:54] <level15> yeah... you and these guys at #ext4 saved my life today, thank you sooo much
[15:56] <ikonia> nice job
[15:56] <ikonia> you're welcome
[16:00] <sunitasethi> what is level15?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> sunitasethi, it's a person :)
[16:10] <totyk0> hi
[16:12] <totyk0> received this notice -- Bell in session 'Shell'   -- what is this?
[16:17] <DarthFrog> totyk0: You've got a shell open and whatever program is running in it, is sending you a "Pay attention to me" signal.
[16:21] <totyk0> Darkwing, ok
[16:23] <NCS_One> hi
[16:24] <L3top> ikonia: I dropped. If level15 provided that solution I would appreciate a pm with it... just to know.
[16:24] <NCS_One> I'm trying to connect a iphone to kubuntu and installed ifuse but when I connect the iphone it doesn't mount it
[16:24] <NCS_One> what do I have to do?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !Iphone
[16:29] <BluesKaj> NCS_One, ^
[16:40] <NCS_One> BluesKaj: Thanks
[16:40] <BluesKaj> NCS_One, hope it helps
[16:53] <NCS_One> BluesKaj: it doesn't :(
[16:55] <sky100> hi BluesKaj
[16:55] <BluesKaj> NCS_One, well sorry , I don't have an Iphone and no experience observing it's support here
[16:55] <sky100> im confronted with the issue of the clock showing time in UTC .. not the local time
[16:56] <sky100> rebooted .. still its not fixed
[16:58] <sky100> really its annoying ..
[16:59] <sky100> any help pls..
[17:01] <sky100> ok fixed
[17:01] <sky100> DONE
[17:02] <sky100> brb
[17:05] <jose___> HI
[17:06] <jose___> sOMEONE IS THERE?
[17:06] <lelamal> !caps | jose___
[17:07] <jose___> sorry
[17:07] <jose___> how can I enter in a xat about i want?
[17:07] <jose___> such as ubuntu?
[17:08] <lelamal> jose___: type: /join #ubuntu
[17:08] <jose___> ok thanks
[17:08] <lelamal> np
[17:20] <pedor> i need to report a bug but i don't know to whom. everytime i open libreoffice it crashes itself and plasma desktop. i found out that if i remove global menu it works. i'm using window menubar. so, i report the bug to kde, kubuntu or libreoffice?
[17:25] <Wolf1983> Hali
[17:26] <BluesKaj> !bug | pedor
[17:26] <Wolf1983> Van itt olyan aki ubuntu 12.04 lts compuz beállításában jártas?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !hu | Wolf1983
[17:30] <Wolf1983> Köszönöm!
[17:54] <emniyet> selam arkadaslar sorum olacak sizlere
[17:55] <emniyet> ben frost wire kurmak isdiorm kubuntuda nasıl kurablirim bilmiorm  yardımcı olurmusunuz
[17:56] <emniyet> aloooooooooooo
[17:56] <emniyet> kimse yokmuuuuuuuuuu
[17:57] <mcloy> Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and the appropriate
[17:57] <mcloy>          headers, most likely linux-headers-generic.
[17:57] <mcloy>   but i have already installed virtualbox-ose-dkms
[18:05] <DarthFrog> So install the kernel headers then.
[18:06] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[18:06] <mcloy> what?
[18:07] <mcloy> i thought i already have headers. dont i?
[18:07] <DarthFrog> :-)
[18:07] <DarthFrog> If so, then that command will tell you that they are already installed.  If not, it'll install them.
[18:08] <mcloy> hm
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> i am going to install nvidia proprietary driver using jockey, i am given with two options 1. "post release updates" 2. "version current" which one should i select?
[18:09] <mcloy> now that is strange. it says need to get 0/12mb and is unpacking. so installing headers.  dont the headers installed. what are headers by the way
[18:09] <mcloy> DarthFrog, ^
[18:10] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: i did try lately the new updated from nvidia, but had only trouble with it, the current one worked better
[18:11] <DarthFrog> It would seem to me that unless you have a brand spanking new video chip, you'd be better off with the current version.
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: DarthFrog ok i will install the current version
[18:12] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd: Besides, you can always change your mind later.
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog:  ya, but i should be prepared for the boot problems before that :)
[18:13] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd:  You've internalised the Boy Scout motto.  :-)
[18:14] <mcloy> DarthFrog,  and sudo modprobe vboxdrv solved the problem further .thanks.
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: :)
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> is there a channel for xbmc
[18:17] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes , #xbmc
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ok
[18:20] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: well it was not to worse, only a lot did slow down and did not work well
[18:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: :D
[18:22] <Joit> yeah. but at last anything started and i could do some things
[18:39] <L3top> For the record Joit I disagree. The 295.40 driver has regression issues. nvidia-current-updates works better for everyone I have heard reports of installs for... except you. This is not to say that your experience will be unique, but in my purvue atm, it is.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> L3top, not sure , but is the 295.53 diver available for 12.04 ...I'm on 12.10
[19:04] <L3top> !info nvidia-current-updates
[19:04] <L3top> bah...
[19:04] <cancer> Hi guys :)
[19:04] <L3top> im on 1004 atm.
[19:05] <cancer> :D talking Nvidia, Interesting
[19:05] <cancer> L3top: hey, how are you?
[19:05] <Joit> L3top: ups? well, yes at 10.04 both driver worked for me, but at 12.04 th new updated one did mess it up. but i said anyway explicit, " i had"
[19:06] <cancer> L3top: [17:26:27] <cancer> Is it important to have Kernals installed in Kubuntu. and how to check about kernals info. i mean i don't know if they are installed and are they too helpful with graphic card drivers?
[19:06] <cancer> [17:26:49] <cancer> Even don't know what they are for :D
[19:06] <BluesKaj> L3top,think it might be the post-release version that uses the .53
[19:07] <BluesKaj> cancer, I gave you a post this earler today explaining with urls etc
[19:08] <L3top> Joit: again... was just more of an fyi ;)
[19:08]  * L3top blew up his 1204 desktop this morning and has been too lazy to fix it.
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ok , gonna switch drives ,,,check how my 12.04 install is doing
[19:11] <L3top> I suppose I could chroot real quick...
[19:11] <cancer> BluesKaj: is there anyother place to ask the same question?
[19:11] <cancer> any channel?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> !kernel | cancer
[19:12] <BluesKaj> cancer, read the first url
[19:12] <L3top> Candidate: 295.49-0ubuntu0.1
[19:13] <L3top> BluesKaj: ^
[19:36] <carillon90> hi
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> xbmc doesnt start says " Xbmc needs hardware accelerated opengl rendering"
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> xbmc was working perfectly until before i installed the nvidia binary drivers
[20:21] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: Hi
[20:21] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: hi
[20:22] <cancer> :)
[20:22] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: will you help me?
[20:22] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: sure
[20:22] <cancer> about graphics drivers. http://shitohichiumaya.blogspot.com/2012/01/using-nvidia-quadro-10000m-lenovo-w520.html?m=1
[20:23] <cancer> there's something i'm thinking to try from this link.
[20:23] <cancer> just got confused on two points.
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: what is it?
[20:25] <cancer> Old is gold :-p
[20:26] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: i'm confused about; which way to use, what come to my mind is 2nd. that worked :D, and the other confusion is about drivers 32bits\64bits.
[20:27] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: what about 32/64 bit?
[20:28] <cancer> qouted from the link; 'sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-290.10.run (I don't install the 32bit compatible OpenGL libs. That might cause a problem. Others I answer yes.)'
[20:29] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: ^-^
[20:30] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: what is your kubuntu is it 32 bit or 64 bit?
[20:30] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: why didnt you install 64 bit opengl libs?
[20:31] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: i tried to confirm about kubuntu bit's but didn't find the way.
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: so is your kubuntu 32 or 64 bit
[20:32] <cancer> how to check that?
[20:35] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: lsb_release -a
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: what does the first line say?
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: try "arch " command
[20:36] <cancer> No LSB modules are available.
[20:37] <cancer> i686
[20:39] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: arch | i686
[20:40] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: yours is 32 bit
[20:40] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: install the opengl libs and drivers that are 32 bit
[20:40] <cancer> opengl libs, what if they are already installed. any query?
[20:41] <yofel> cancer: nvidia ships their own openGL libraries, so just install their 32bit driver
[20:42] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: if its a default install do noting, but if you had installed a 64bit version with arch override then uninstall it and install the 32 bit one
[20:42] <Joit> cancer try getconf LONG_BIT
[20:42] <cancer> 32
[20:42] <Joit> then its 32
[20:42] <cancer> thanks.
[20:43] <cancer> Joit: this is the path to 64bits, will i get 32 by changing '64' from it. http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/290.10/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-290.10.run&lang=us&type=GeForce
[20:45] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[20:45] <Joit> no, software is written for the purpose, they use different commands and may variables, you only will mess up in the system
[20:45] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: what is your graphics card?
[20:45] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: Nvidia Quadro Fx 1000
[20:47] <Joit> cancer:  do you need to boost your graphic performance, or why are you loking so hard for an driver?
[20:47] <cancer> Joit: check this link, i'm trying to follow the instructions that shown in the link working. http://shitohichiumaya.blogspot.com/2012/01/using-nvidia-quadro-10000m-lenovo-w520.html?m=1
[20:48] <cancer> Joit: that's a long story, in simple i have tried much, even with L3top and other members from here. what i'm trying now will be experimental.
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-173.14.31-driver.html
[20:50] <cancer> Joit: past few minutes i saw a word 'Nvidia' some discussion was on it & now i'm charged again to work on it. :D
[20:50] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: are they 173 drivers current/recommended one's?
[20:51] <Joit> cancer: so you are at 11.04 but your card is a fx1000?
[20:51] <cancer> yes
[20:51] <cancer> Joit: NO, 11.10
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: dont know about that but it says "Quadro ODE driver"
[20:51] <cancer> !ODE
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: dont know about that but it says "Quadro ODE graphics driver"
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: your better check this
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> chttp://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[20:53] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: i have it already opened. :)
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: select the appropriate options and download
[20:55] <Joit> cancer you could try to start grub with the option --nomodeset, you may can enter the kde menu to configure it further. btw, what do happen at the otther drivers ?
[20:55] <cancer> we tried nomodeset.
[20:56] <cancer> wait
[20:56] <Joit> cancer: did you boot it with strg-x?
[20:57] <Joit> or strg-g, not sure
[20:57] <ofm> hi all
[20:57] <Joit> hi
[20:57] <cancer> Hi
[20:58] <cancer> Joit: | phoenix_firebrd : http://paste.kde.org/486398/
[20:58] <ofm> Korganizer and kmail and others don't work. talk about akonadi server is not working. What is needed to Akonadi work?
[20:59] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: the resolution problem happens just during boot or exist even after login?
[21:00] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: nope, that not like that.
[21:00] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: explain
[21:01] <cancer> can't do that. that's now like a story.
[21:01] <cancer> it's almost time to disconnect, electricity shortfall here. :( any second from now can be happened for an hour.
[21:02]  * cancer Muwahhhhhhh 
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: ok
[21:03] <Joit> cancer:  trow that card out or get an other monitor lol
[21:04] <Joit> how do you connect them now both?
[21:04] <luke_66> hi everyone
[21:04] <Joit> they have different adaptors
[21:05] <cancer> how to install java?
[21:05] <Joit> cancer lok in muon or your package manager for openjdk
[21:09] <Joit> cancer: i cant find any models for e72, the one i can find is e74
[21:10] <Joit> yours is maybe a different brand?
[21:10] <cancer> Joit: sorry my mistake, e74
[21:10] <cancer> that's it.
[21:10] <Joit> ah. yeah then i got it
[21:10] <Joit> how do you connect both? did you make cables by your own?
[21:10] <cancer> Joit: no, it's DVI connector.
[21:10] <luke_66> i have a problem after an update. which log i cold check? i'm in /var/log/upstart, error semms to be related to ConsoleKit, btu i'm checvking /var/log/upstart/module-init-tools.log and i've found FATAL: Module rtv not found. what i can check? kdm start succesfully but i dont have any login prompt...
[21:11] <cancer> using Connector or can say adapter as well.
[21:11] <luke_66> *FATAL: Modulertc not found
[21:11] <Joit> http://www.superwarehouse.com/IBM_E74_Black_17_CRT_Monitor/63324HN/ps/38577 it says here 15 mini sub
[21:13] <Joit> i would crude say, that the drivers suspect a dvi monitor
[21:15] <Joit> expects, is it
[21:15] <cancer> Joit: yes, that could be the issue, and so i'm searching for the proprietary nVidia Quadro driver to use all of the capabilities of your graphics card
[21:17] <phoenix_firebrd> can this package be removed "xserver-xorg-video-all" or is it a critical one?
[21:17] <cancer> Joit: and the max resol. mentioned there isn't right. i'm using it on 1280x1024 60hz
[21:17] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: at my hand Nvidia-common is installed.
[21:18] <cancer> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV30GL [Quadro FX 1000] (rev a2)
[21:18] <cancer> Joit: so if it's like that you suspect, any idea for solution?
[21:19] <cancer> phoenix_firebrd: may be said right about Nvidia-common :D
[21:19] <cancer> Joit: that's what we all think might be a reason.
[21:19] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: sorry man i cant understand what you are talking
[21:20] <Joit> cancer i look right now through related stuff but not sure, which one sounds good. either looking for older drivers as you want, or disable certain 'features' at the driver
[21:20] <cancer> certain features you mean by?
[21:20] <Joit> cancer: like autosets ?
[21:21] <cancer> don't know about that.
[21:21] <cancer> lets try
[21:21] <Joit> or may you go first back to a lower resolution, could be, that the new driver dont support the higher one
[21:21] <phoenix_firebrd> need to restart brb
[21:22] <cancer> current resolution is 1024x768
[21:23] <Joit> well, i dont wanna now ask you to install the driver and reboot, or ?
[21:24] <Joit> well i am still looking for more
[21:24] <cancer> Joit: tell me where to start?
[21:24] <Joit> cancer: did you try to install the driver, and then compile the kernel for acpi off?
[21:24] <cancer> don't know?
[21:25] <cancer> i was asking in room early today about kernel.
[21:25] <Joit> at the link you posted eralier, it said, you need to compile your kernel
[21:25] <Joit> i saw that a bit, that you did
[21:25] <Joit> the last answer i did read, was, that someone said, you dont need to compile the krenel
[21:25] <luke_66> i have a problem after an update. which log i could check? i'm in /var/log/upstart, error seems to be related to ConsoleKit, but i'm checking also /var/log/upstart/module-init-tools.log and i've found 'FATAL: Module rtc not found.'. what i can do? i'm using kubuntu 12.04, kdm start succesfully but i have no login prompt... already checked dmesg | less..
[21:25] <openos> HI Every body
[21:25] <Joit> what else?
[21:25] <cancer> not that
[21:25] <Joit> hi
[21:26] <cancer> Joit: not that.
[21:26] <cancer> [17:26:27] <cancer> Is it important to have Kernals installed in Kubuntu. and how to check about kernals info. i mean i don't know if they are installed and are they too helpful with graphic card drivers?
[21:26] <cancer> [17:26:49] <cancer> Even don't know what they are for :D
[21:26] <FloodBotK1> cancer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:26] <openos> i already have Ubuntu whit gnome shell and Unity i switching To KDE How I Can remove Gnoem And Unity Apps
[21:27] <openos> how to get pure kubuntu experience whitout gnome shell and unity apps ??
[21:27] <Joit> cancer, compare the kernel like a core, what manage the main input and output ebtween your inputs, the hardware and the software
[21:27] <Joit> cancer: does that make sense for you?
[21:28] <Joit> openos: with your package manager
[21:29] <Joit> cancer: the kernel is simple the core code, what manage the communication between all parts
[21:29] <cancer> Joit: nothin
[21:29] <apachelogger> cancer: it is the heart of the system
[21:29] <apachelogger> without it *nothing* works, in fact the system would not even start
[21:29] <cancer> got it.
[21:30] <Joit> cancer: ok. when a computer starts, it does nothing first. you need a software, what identify your hardware
[21:30] <apachelogger> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Kernel-simple.png
[21:30] <Joit> well, looks like allraedy answered
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[21:33] <openos> I still Get Gnome and Unity updates
[21:33] <Joit> openos with muon ie?
[21:33] <cancer> Joit: i appreciate you help, but afraid it will take long to understand. i'm newbie.
[21:33] <luke_66> any help?
[21:33] <Joit> cancer since when do you use comjputers?
[21:33] <Joit> luke sorry, not from me, its spanish for me
[21:34] <cancer> Joit: that's not my point, i mean with linux.
[21:34] <apachelogger> cancer: kernel business is nothing you need to immediately worry about
[21:34] <apachelogger> it is really really really low level
[21:34] <Joit> cancer: well windows works similar, its just not that open
[21:34] <apachelogger> cancer: also FWIW ... every operating system has a kernel :)
[21:34] <openos> What is The Best System font In KDE
[21:34] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)
[21:35] <Joit> cancer:  thats the main point from an 'operating system'. that it provides a interface, where you can comutate with your pc
[21:35] <cancer> OK
[21:35] <Joit> thats why they make this basic code. the rest is software, what is executed and do funny and sometimes weird things
[21:36] <cancer> Joit: right
[21:36] <cancer> so how to configure/tweak it?
[21:37] <Joit> not sure, this acpi is a power management function, its used to save energy or boost performance
[21:37] <Joit> but i ve read, that it can make sometimes problems, even i never had some with it
[21:37] <cancer> One question, what if i install those 64bits drivers in current os?
[21:38] <apachelogger> what do you want to configure?
[21:38] <Joit> but with noacpi for pci (pci=noacpi) you turn this management off
[21:38] <Joit> they mostly dont work together
[21:38]  * cancer lost
[21:38] <Joit> its like the driver does ask something, but the system dont understand it
[21:39] <Joit> pci are the slots on your motherboard where your soundcard, graphic card is in
[21:39] <Joit> they call it pci, but the standard is now different for graphic cards,
[21:40] <Joit> its agp now or higher
[21:40] <Joit> but they still handle it as pci
[21:40] <Joit> and with the command above, you tell  the core code, not to use energy management at your graphic card
[21:40] <cancer> Joit: you want me to dialbe pci slots?
[21:41] <Joit> cancer: no, my point is, to compile the kernel with acpi off
[21:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:41] <cancer> HOW? that
[21:41] <apachelogger> that does not even make sense
[21:41] <Joit> if this would help after this howto, but compiling a kernel is quite some work
[21:42] <Joit> apachelogger: he had a howto, where they suggested that
[21:42] <apachelogger> which howto is that and what is the problem to begin with?
[21:44] <yofel> I *think* he wanted to install a specific nvidia driver a while ago, and got the 64bit one but runs a 32bit system - that's where I stopped following the discussion
[21:44] <Joit> apachelogger: http://shitohichiumaya.blogspot.de/2012/01/using-nvidia-quadro-10000m-lenovo-w520.html?m=1
[21:44] <Joit> apachelogger: his problem is a e74 ibm monitor and a nvidia fx1000 card
[21:45] <yofel> Joit: and the driver from the archive doesn't work?
[21:45] <cancer> Joit: will it effect my XP by disabling 'acpi'
[21:45] <Joit> yofel:  he has a vgs to dvi connector and it anyhow doesnt
[21:46] <Joit> cancer:  when you disable it at the kernel, then not, when you do it in the bios, then maybe, but it doesnt mess really
[21:46] <Joit> yofel: dvi to vga cable
[21:47] <apachelogger> (most BIOSes will not allow you to disable ACPI)
[21:48] <Joit> apachelogger:  thats the monitor http://www.superwarehouse.com/IBM_E74_Black_17_CRT_Monitor/63324HN/p/38577
[21:48] <yofel> Joit: meaning nvidia-settings isn't seeing the monitor, or...?
[21:49] <Joit> yofel: i think so too, not sure at all
[21:49] <cancer> Joit: can you please paste the like for kernal solution describing acpi disabling?
[21:49] <apachelogger> xrandr -q knows more
[21:50] <apachelogger> (regrading the detection of screens)
[21:51] <Joit> cancer:  you would need to go through how to compile the kernel, there you can disable acpi
[21:51] <master_> ./
[21:51] <Joit> compiling it, means, you build it by your own, create a new code
[21:52] <Joit> but it takes a while mostly, until it did makea new kernel
[21:52] <Joit> lot of work, where most dont want to do
[21:52] <Joit> for me 1 hour mostly, and when i checked the wrong options, it simple didnt work :P
[21:53] <cancer> [02:20:08] <Joit> cancer i look right now through related stuff but not sure, which one sounds good. either looking for older drivers as you want, or disable certain 'features' at the driver
[21:54] <cancer> i didn't expect this from the above qoute :-p
[21:54] <cancer> :D
[21:56] <apachelogger> Joit: that is wrong
[21:57] <apachelogger> you can disable acpi via a boot argument
[21:57] <Joit> apachelogger:  well its the howto from this card manufactor, when you wanna use a vga monitor with a apadter
[21:57] <Joit> apachelogger: with is it?
[21:58] <apachelogger> where does it say that?
[21:58] <apachelogger> pci=noacpi
[21:58] <apachelogger> if that fails to work acpi=off, though that is not advised as it can mess up things
[21:58] <Joit> apachelogger:  here ->> http://shitohichiumaya.blogspot.de/2012/01/using-nvidia-quadro-10000m-lenovo-w520.html?m=1
[21:59] <apachelogger> it does not say anything about compiling your own kernel there
[21:59] <cancer> Joit: will my wireless work by using 'pci=noacpi'
[21:59] <cancer> and please have a look on it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853783
[22:00] <Joit> cancer:  yes. its only the energy managment
[22:00] <Joit> doesnt have to do with the input output from a card
[22:00] <cancer> Joit: did ya checked that link
[22:00] <cancer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853783
[22:01] <Joit> cancer: do you have actually one from this drivers installed what dont work?
[22:01] <Joit> give me a minute :p
[22:01] <cancer> just want to know if that easy one will work for me.
[22:01]  * cancer waiting
[22:03] <Joit> cancer it should do it. there is once the posibillity to start your system with your own commands or edit the file, where the commands are in
[22:03] <cancer> and afraid it can also over heat graphic card.
[22:03] <Joit> it cant overheat it, it may even runs only slower
[22:04] <Joit> thats why they implemented it :P
[22:04] <Joit> do you have a driver at your system what you can try?
[22:04] <Joit> do you know how to add commands at the startup?
[22:05] <cancer> not exactly, that what only we saw. there are more with issue after doing that stuff.
[22:05] <apachelogger> Joit: it won't run slower
[22:05] <apachelogger> which leads to the van working all the time
[22:05] <apachelogger> to prevent overheating
[22:05] <cancer> Joit: yes i think i can edit that from grub. but better to add it with nano.
[22:05] <apachelogger> which makes that approach only temporarily sensible
[22:05] <Joit> apachelogger:  if you can criticise every second sentence i write, hows about you help him fruther to go through?
[22:05] <cancer> :D
[22:05] <apachelogger> otherwise the fan might need to be replaced ^^
[22:06] <cancer> i only have to edit this right? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off pci=noacpi"
[22:06] <apachelogger> please lave out the acpi=off
[22:06] <apachelogger> first try with noacpi
[22:06] <apachelogger> acpi=off will turn it off completely
[22:07] <apachelogger> which in turn makes every fan in your system work overtime as everything will run at maximum speed
[22:07] <cancer> apachelogger: that 'acpi' is about a power we plug in card right? ;)
[22:07] <cancer> :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> Joit: I am not criticising, I am just informing you :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> but if it disturbs you I can stop
[22:07] <cancer> apachelogger: is this right then? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=noacpi"
[22:08] <Joit> apachelogger: informing looks way different imho
[22:08] <Joit> and i have for sure forgotten all this stuff in 2 days, because i have other things in mind
[22:08] <apachelogger> cancer: yes
[22:08] <cancer> Joit: please, be cool. that was also in my mind, i browsed before implementation. so asked that question.
[22:09] <apachelogger> cancer: acpi is the entire power management
[22:09] <cancer> apachelogger: nano command please?
[22:09] <apachelogger> cancer: just use kate
[22:09] <cancer> apachelogger: thanks for correction.
[22:09] <apachelogger> kdesudo kate SOMEFILE
[22:09] <cancer> don't know grub path :(
[22:10] <apachelogger> cancer: I am certain the ubuntuforums thread you posted above contains it ;)
[22:10] <cancer> 'pci=noacpi' will only effect card?
[22:10] <cancer> OK
[22:10] <apachelogger> 2nd post in that thread ^^
[22:10] <Joit> cancer:  its in /boot/grub
[22:10] <apachelogger> cancer: more or less
[22:11] <cancer> /etc/default/grub
[22:11] <cancer> ?
[22:11] <apachelogger> yes
[22:12] <cancer> /etc/default/grub OR /Boot/grub?
[22:12] <apachelogger> cancer: also technically speaking, in case you are interested, pci is a bus standard ... you could imagine it as a motorway for data inside the computer
[22:12] <apachelogger> cancer: /etc/default/grub
[22:13] <cancer> apachelogger: is that called the word Joit used 'criticising' :-p
[22:13] <cancer> nano -i /etc/default/grub   ?
[22:13] <apachelogger> well if that was critising then I really do not know what informingis -.-
[22:13] <cancer> apachelogger: na
[22:13] <Joit> last time i did edit the grub file it was at a different location
[22:13] <cancer> no, nononono
[22:13] <apachelogger> cancer: kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub
[22:13] <cancer> apachelogger: just afraid.
[22:13] <Joit> but i enjoy leaning back and just to watch, dont worry
[22:14] <cancer> it's opened with this command: nano /etc/default/grub ?
[22:14] <apachelogger> Joit: might have been in grub1 times,back then the file was /boot/grub.cfg
[22:14] <apachelogger> we since switched to grub2 which allows for a more elegant way of dealing with configuration creation/editing
[22:14] <apachelogger> cancer: kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub
[22:16] <cancer> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=noacpi"
[22:16] <apachelogger> cancer: also to continue on my pci description ... how the datagets on the motorway is not particularly important, it may be through a card you plug in or it may be a chip directly built into the computer
[22:16] <cancer> i'm using card.
[22:17] <Joit> http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Installation_Guide-en-US/s1-grub-configfile.html
[22:17] <apachelogger> PCI itself primarily defines how software may use a device attached via PCI
[22:17] <cancer> there is built-in too.
[22:17] <apachelogger> simply put it defines the language you use
[22:17] <apachelogger> Joit: yup, that'd be grub1
[22:18] <LexingtonNC> New here. Can't get Streisand to DL
[22:18] <Joit> i see
[22:18] <LexingtonNC> tnvideos.zip from all 3 sources is interrupted
[22:18] <apachelogger> cancer: most computers have a mixture of builtin and pluggables
[22:19] <cancer> done editing.
[22:19] <apachelogger> even most laptops do (for example the video chip is mostly builtin whereas things such as a SD card reader are in fact pluggable)
[22:19] <apachelogger> cancer: run `sudo update-grub`
[22:19] <cancer> one thing still left. Drivers.
[22:19] <Alumin> how can I get Apper to stop reminding me that an upgrade to 12.04 is available every 5 minutes?
[22:19] <apachelogger> that command will apply your changes to grub
[22:19] <cancer> which one to install, current/recommended 173?
[22:19] <Alumin> I'm like...I'M GETTING TO IT!  :P
[22:20] <Joit> apachelogger: but you still need to run update-grub, to update the /boot/grub/conf.cfg
[22:20] <apachelogger> cancer: current should be 295
[22:20] <draik> How can I update GRUB2 so that it can pick up my new drive?
[22:20] <apachelogger> which is what should work for you according to the howto
[22:20] <apachelogger> draik: update-grub
[22:20] <cancer> http://paste.kde.org/486482/
[22:21] <draik> thank you, apachelogger
[22:21] <apachelogger> Joit: yep, though it does more things now... essentially it aggregates informations/configurations from varoius places to build the final configuration
[22:21] <Joit> well i wont ask why you need to run the update to change the grub.cfg
[22:21] <apachelogger> Joit: e.g. you can write a scrip that helps update-grub to autodetect operating systems
[22:22] <apachelogger> Joit: scalability would be the answer if you had asked :)
[22:22] <apachelogger> cancer: yah, that's fine
[22:22] <apachelogger> now just install nvidia-current and it should work
[22:23] <apachelogger> you may also use jockey-kde, which should automatically download and configure everything
[22:23] <Alumin> actually, on of my friends was having trouble setting up a dual boot with GRUB2 the other day 'cause it wouldn't see her new drive
[22:23] <apachelogger> Joit: a more immediate reason is that this is the way the system expects it to be done ... i.e. if you were to change the config directly as soon as you install a package that triggers update-grub it would overwrite your changes
[22:24] <LexingtonNC> Alumin, there is a setting (sorry, I saw it in passing) that will allow you to completely skip a particular upgrade. Use it for now and then reset it to default when you get ready.
[22:24] <cancer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.org/213762
[22:24] <Alumin> we tried everything we could think of, including running update-grub I dunno how many times
[22:24] <Alumin> it never showed up to grub
[22:24] <apachelogger> cancer: on what version of Kubuntu are you?
[22:24] <cancer> 11.10
[22:25] <Alumin> but here's the strange part: GRUB2 auto-populated entries for the other OS, but when you tried to boot it it would say "no such disk" and the tab completion never showed anything other than (hd0) and its partitions
[22:25] <apachelogger> Alumin: was there something installed on the other drive and did the system see it (e.g. did it show up in partitionmanager)?
[22:25] <apachelogger> Alumin: BIOS might need an update then
[22:25] <LexingtonNC> No I have NOT quit
[22:25] <Alumin> BIOS update to see two disks at once?
[22:25] <apachelogger> grub very much depends ont eh bios to provide accurate information regarding the devices
[22:25] <cancer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.org/213762 ????
[22:26] <apachelogger> Alumin: might just be that the bios has problems with the firmware of the hardware
[22:26] <apachelogger> cancer: please update to 12.04
[22:26] <Alumin> the hard drive in question worked in that computer before
[22:26] <cancer> can't do it now.
[22:26] <apachelogger> Alumin: with grub?
[22:26] <Alumin> yeah
[22:26] <apachelogger> curious then
[22:26] <apachelogger> might well be a grub bug
[22:27] <Alumin> so basically what she's trying to do is put a new drive in, install Linux Mint, and then dual boot between that and her current Debian install in case she doesn't like it
[22:27] <cancer> apachelogger: one question, will that grub edited text will do any harm?
[22:27] <apachelogger> no
[22:27] <cancer> sure
[22:27]  * cancer :D
[22:27] <Joit> yes
[22:27] <Joit> its not a big deal
[22:27] <Joit> the changes you do make with this
[22:27] <Alumin> y'know, actually, now that I think about it I may have lied about that drive's having worked before in that system
[22:28] <apachelogger> :P
[22:28] <Alumin> the one with Mint on it may be new
[22:28] <Alumin> but then riddle me this
[22:28] <cancer> Joit: with wt?
[22:28] <Joit> wt what?
[22:28] <Alumin> how do the menu entries for it get auto-populated?
[22:28] <apachelogger> cancer: in that case you will have to download the driver from nvidia's website and manually install it
[22:28] <cancer> you mean, changes i have made.
[22:28] <apachelogger> cancer: quite honestly upgrading to 12.04 seems like the more economic solution here
[22:28] <cancer> apachelogger: OK
[22:28] <Joit> yes, acpi on or off is no big deal
[22:29] <apachelogger> as it already has 295, plus updates in the kernel might have made the acpi config unnecessary to begin with
[22:29] <cancer> Joit: i sometime don't shut off system for 24 hrs :D
[22:29] <apachelogger> Alumin: through Linux :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> Alumin: as I said, grub depends largely on the BIOS to provide accurate information
[22:29] <cancer> apachelogger: let me to the nvidia official site. can't eat more text. :-p
[22:30] <Joit> cancer: when your fan runs a high speed now then its no problem :p
[22:30]  * cancer will die, happily
[22:30] <apachelogger> Alumin: Linux OTOH has all sorts of additional featuers and work arounds for BIOSes that do not do that
[22:30] <Alumin> oh, the menu is built at update-grub time
[22:30] <cancer> Joit: cpu fan use to run like jet.
[22:30] <cancer> :D
[22:30] <apachelogger> Alumin: so it can totally happen that Linux sees a drive that grub does not see
[22:30] <apachelogger> Alumin: aye
[22:30] <Alumin> but a firmware incompatibility?  really?
[22:31] <apachelogger> it happens more often than you think
[22:31] <Alumin> I can't even remember the last time I had to worry about something like that
[22:31] <L3top> apachelogger: his card will not work with nvidia-current
[22:31] <apachelogger> Alumin: totally depends on the drive
[22:31] <Alumin> mmm
[22:31] <Joit> cancer when will you 'Die? i wait here, what actually does happen
[22:31] <L3top> apachelogger: cancer must use the legasy nvidia-glx-173
[22:31] <apachelogger> Alumin: same thing for CPUs actually
[22:31] <Alumin> OK, well what the heck, might as well give it a shot
[22:31] <apachelogger> though then the issue is more apparent because the BIOS will go whoop whoop ^^
[22:31] <Alumin> I suppose it can't hurt anyway
[22:31] <L3top> s/legasy/legacy
[22:31] <apachelogger> L3top: http://shitohichiumaya.blogspot.de/2012/01/using-nvidia-quadro-10000m-lenovo-w520.html?m=1 suggests it will
[22:32] <Alumin> oh man you just reminded me of this old mainboard I had with some lady's voice during POST
[22:32] <apachelogger> lol? ^^
[22:32] <cancer> L3top: i'm on nvidia official site now. download type: Quadro ODE Graphics driver?
[22:33] <Alumin> one time I booted up and it successfully booted up and ran and everything, but it perpetually had this female voice going "System failed CPU test" over and over again
[22:33] <cancer> which download type: Quadro ODE Graphics driver?
[22:33] <L3top> cancer lspci --nn | grep VGA
[22:33] <Alumin> I had to use it for a couple of hours to triage and get stuff off...was like 10 years ago and I can literally still hear that voice in my head
[22:34] <cancer> L3top: no responce.
[22:34] <L3top> you have to capitalize vga
[22:34] <cancer> did that.
[22:34] <cancer>  lspci --nn | grep VGA
[22:35] <Alumin> apachelogger: anyway, another interesting bit...update-grub didn't update device.map
[22:35] <cancer> L3top: with this command i get responce 'lspci -i | grep VGA'
[22:35] <Alumin> we updated it by hand hoping it would help, but no dice
[22:35] <cancer> lspci | grep -i VGA*
[22:36] <cancer> lspci | grep -i VGA
[22:36] <cancer> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV30GL [Quadro FX 1000] (rev a2)
[22:36] <L3top> cancer the command will work... you are transposing it incorrectly. lspci -nn | grep VGA
[22:36] <cancer> yes, already did that :)
[22:37] <cancer> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV30GL [Quadro FX 1000] [10de:0309] (rev a2)
[22:37] <apachelogger> Alumin: I am prettu sure grub2 does not use it unless it has other means
[22:37] <apachelogger> *pretty
[22:37] <apachelogger>  grub-mkdevicemap shoudl still work though
[22:37] <apachelogger> mhh, typo party
[22:37] <Alumin> I wish it _would_ use it, we had the right info in there lol
[22:38] <apachelogger> that does not mean grub will be able to access the device :P
[22:38] <cancer> L3top: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV30GL [Quadro FX 1000] [10de:0309] (rev a2)
[22:39] <L3top> apachelogger: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.53/README/supportedchips.html     search 0x0309
[22:39] <apachelogger> *shrug* I work on a need to know basis :P
[22:40] <apachelogger> if someone tells me they need 290 I will give them 290 :P
[22:40] <cancer> oO
[22:40] <cancer> so i'm again stuck
[22:40] <L3top> They explicitly still produce the 173, and 96 drivers for the handful of chipsets which will crash on current... and it nvidia-current is 295.40.
[22:41] <L3top> -it
[22:42] <cancer> L3top: so i install 173.14.xx driver.
[22:42] <L3top> you do what you want cancer... I was just providing the information.
[22:43] <cancer> L3top: OK
[22:43] <Joit> cancer trying to look for the 290.10 driver x86 architecture
[22:43] <L3top> I recommend going with what the manufacturer says will work.
[22:43] <cancer> Joit: i'm lost
[22:44] <L3top> which is also probably why your restricted hardware notifier barfs... just guessing.
[22:44] <Joit> at your howto page it said to use the 290.10 driver
[22:44] <cancer> L3top: there are two in 'jockey' 173-recommended | post release 173
[22:44] <Joit> they only link to the 64bit driver
[22:44] <Joit> there are other what work for the 32 bit arichtecture
[22:44] <Joit> NVIDIA Home > Download Treiber > Linux Display Driver - x86
[22:44] <Joit>  
[22:44] <Joit> Abonnieren 	Abonnieren 	Teilen 	Share
[22:44] <Joit> ﻿
[22:44] <FloodBotK1> Joit: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:44] <L3top> again... because someone got a display, does not mean that it "works"
[22:44] <Joit> Zugehörige Seiten
[22:45] <Joit> ouch
[22:45] <Joit> :p
[22:45] <Joit> http://download.chip.eu/en/NVidia-Driver-for-Linux_249574.html
[22:45] <Joit> that was what i want to past :D
[22:46] <L3top> I mean...  the first four letters of that how to is **** and one of the instructions is "Reboot and pray."
[22:46] <cancer> Joit: is this the link for 32bits for those drivers from that link.
[22:46] <L3top> I would go with the hw manufacturer and OS recommendation... but hey... Im crazy like that
[22:47] <Joit> cancer i hope so, i did hit it like that into my searchmachine
[22:47] <Joit> cancer: i cant find them anymore on nvidia, only in german
[22:48] <Joit> cancer they name it with x86, not x32
[22:49] <Joit> cancer: this one looks like it, just your fx1000 card is not listed there v
[22:49] <Joit> http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-290.10-driver
[22:50] <L3top> step 4) sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-290.10.run (I don't install the 32bit compatible OpenGL libs. That might cause a problem.
[22:50] <L3top> This is a stupid idea cancer.
[22:51]  * cancer looks/is stupid :)
[22:52] <L3top> good luck
[22:52] <cancer> i'm dead
[22:52] <cancer> Joit: download this?  http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-290.10-driver
[22:53] <cancer> same right?
[22:54] <Joit> cancer:  well yours is 0.5 mb bigger, but still your card is not listed at the list
[22:54] <Joit> so its may a shot in the dark
[22:55] <cancer> Joit: my card is on nvidia download list. Quadro | FX Series | FX 1000
[22:55] <cancer> it's there.
[22:55] <Joit> ok, somewhere else they wrote, that it makes may no sense to uptdate to 173, because this one seems is stable
[22:56] <Joit> but without warranty, i think in your case its a lot trial and error
[22:57] <Joit> http://askubuntu.com/questions/96285/nvidia-driver-290-10-or-173-from-additional-drivers-package
[22:57] <L3top> (your card is NOT in that list)
[22:57] <cancer> Joit: then i must try recommended ones
[22:57] <cancer> L3top: recommended / post release both 173.
[22:57] <Joit> well you can, if it isnt a to big problem to switch back
[22:58] <L3top> psssst nvidia drivers are terrible at being purged... they just mash together like raw chicken parts in a ziplock...
[22:58] <Joit> i am just not sure, if this howto will work with the 173
[22:58] <L3top> again... I really have no dog in this fight...
[22:58] <cancer> :D
[22:59] <cancer> Joit: that's not an issue to uninstall 173
[22:59] <Joit> i tried once soemthing similar to get some older cards to working with linux, that was quite a..... journey
[22:59] <L3top> I expect, frankly, if he just installs the restricted hardware drivers from desktop (which will apt-get install nvidia-glx-173) it will work.
[22:59] <cancer> L3top: Nope, they won't....
[23:00] <cancer> Without 'Sudo' :D
[23:00] <cancer> :-p
[23:00] <Joit> well, i dont wanna get blamed, when it doesnt work, but i would try the reconnoment too first, even, when i put no value in the word 'reconnoment', even less, when there is a dvi vga connector
[23:00] <L3top> pssst it is root, thats why it needs a password
[23:01] <cancer> Joit: i want you to paste me the link again. without any comments. so i can finally download them too.
[23:01] <L3top> cancer... I have a swell idea
[23:01] <Joit> http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-290.10-driver
[23:01] <L3top> Do you have a drive anywhere with some space on it?
[23:01] <cancer> Joit: arn't they for BSD?
[23:01] <cancer> L3top: ?
[23:02] <cancer> L3top:E: Unable to locate package nvidia-glx-173
[23:02] <Joit> ops, yes, sorry
[23:02] <cancer> Joit: :) no problem. hope you have other link too.
[23:02] <cancer> confirmed.
[23:02] <L3top> before you install anything, use clonezilla to make a clone of your current setup in an image on another drive
[23:03] <L3top> it will take about 15 minutes.
[23:03] <Joit> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-290.10-driver
[23:03] <L3top> and then you can just restore before changes
[23:03] <L3top> !info nvidia-glx-173 oneiric
[23:03] <cancer> L3top: is that only to restore settings back to normal.
[23:03] <L3top> !info nvidia-glx-175 oneiric
[23:03] <L3top> interesting.
[23:04] <L3top> !info nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 oneiric
[23:04] <L3top> bahhhhhhhhh
[23:05] <cancer> -_-
[23:05] <L3top> !info nvidia-173 oneiric
[23:05] <L3top> there she is
[23:06]  * L3top only deals with LTS generally
[23:06]  * cancer will have LTS 12.04 soon :D
[23:07] <cancer> Joit: those are 32bits right?
[23:07] <L3top> so cancer if you just make an image of your setup prior to making these changes, you can restore them without having to deal with the purge issues etc.
[23:07] <Joit> cancer yes
[23:08] <L3top> And you can try both, this way, inside of an hour.
[23:08] <L3top> without conflicts
[23:09] <cancer> L3top: how much space will it take 'clonezilla' and backup of kubuntu?
[23:09] <cancer> Joit: they are on their way too.
[23:11] <Joit> cancer: ok. hope they do the job then. i think to make a clone is maybe a easy way too, to quick restore the system, or, got a kinda working configuration sotred
[23:11] <cancer> L3top: just a question i once tried to make partition with 'partition manager' and that made me reinstall kubuntu, even destroyed kubuntu partition. hope if you remember that happened last days.
[23:12] <phoenix_firebrd> opengl not working
[23:12] <Joit> cancer did you do that over use free space ? or changed a done partition
[23:13] <cancer> joit: i did that to resize a done partition from live usb
[23:13] <L3top> cancer: that is why I am suggesting you use clonezilla to make a clone of your current setup so that you can restore it when you eventually run into trouble experimenting. Then you are 12 minutes away from where you are right now, no matter WHAT you do.
[23:13] <cancer> it acutally hanged at 66%
[23:13] <phoenix_firebrd> previously i was using the integrated intel grapgics card , install the nvida 9400gt graphics card and install the nvidia binary drivers using jockey , now opengl is not working
[23:13] <cancer> L3top: sudo apt-get install clonezila
[23:13] <cancer> ?
[23:14] <cancer> L3top: sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 oneiric?
[23:14] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: may not the right driver?
[23:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: i installed using jockey
[23:15] <L3top> no oneiric... otherwise it is fine cancer... though you could just use the desktop
[23:17] <cancer> http://clonezilla.org/downloads/stable/iso-zip-files.php
[23:18] <cancer> it's 118 mb?
[23:18] <L3top> It is a bootable iso.
[23:19] <Joit> L3top:  how big is that backup what it does make, the whole system or only a part of it?
[23:20] <cancer> yes, whole system or only a part of it? :D
[23:20] <cancer> Joit: are you using any IDM?
[23:20] <L3top> It will copy a partition, or hard drive... the size depends on the drive data, there is some compression, but to be speedy, it is not heavily compressed
[23:21] <Joit> cancer idm like ?
[23:21] <cancer> Internet download manager?
[23:21] <L3top> it will copy over network, to a physical drive... ftp... whatever... it is a very cool piece of software.
[23:21] <Joit> cancer i mean with it, you can backup importend system files, or any files
[23:22] <Joit> not anymore with linux, i use firefox, and the download manager works pretty well
[23:22] <Joit> i used at windows downlöoad manager :P
[23:22] <Joit> but mostly firefox is the first choice, the other one can resume aborted downloads
[23:23] <Joit> but mostly firefox is the first choice, the other one can resume aborted downloads
[23:23] <Joit> looks like, clonezilla backups your whole system, so you may can calculate 8 gb or so
[23:24] <cancer> Joit: queassel screen just changed to grey and was stucked. :|
[23:24] <Joit> cancer since when did you get lost ?
[23:24] <Joit> last sentence, what you could read i mean
[23:25] <Joit> cancer: dloadmanager not anymore with linux, i use firefox, and the download manager works pretty well
[23:26] <cancer> [04:22:26] <Joit> i used at windows downlöoad manager :P
[23:26] <Joit> ok, then you did nothing miss
[23:26] <Joit> maybe its the letter ö
[23:26] <Joit> what mess at you
[23:27] <cancer> can't say much about what messed up. heard about booters, not met one yet.
[23:27] <cancer> :D
[23:28] <cancer> while using linux only :D
[23:28] <cancer> clonezilla on it's way. finally.
[23:30]  * cancer started at 1:31:43 | now it's 4:29:52
[23:30] <cancer> :D
[23:31] <Joit> am or pm?
[23:31] <cancer> am
[23:32] <Joit> right now its 1:31 am for me
[23:32] <cancer> we all actually involved.
[23:33] <Joit> well, only if i want :P
[23:34] <Joit> mooore parameters https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[23:34] <cancer> Joit: :D Thanks, i'm already done with enough.
[23:35] <cancer> more than enough. :)
[23:35] <Joit> cancer:  ok, just, in case, you are bored ..
[23:35] <L3top> cancer: I am afk for the night... you will be doing a disk to image or partition to image the first location it is asking for, is the destination for the image.
[23:36] <cancer> L3top: ok
[23:36] <cancer> destination to location typo app :D
[23:37] <cancer> Joit: yes, i'm from ACPI for now.
[23:38] <cancer> L3top: and location can be in NTFS?
[23:38] <cancer> 7 min remaining @ clonezilla
[23:38] <Joit> cancer:  well i think anything will work well with a matching monitor, this one seems is really a  exepction with this connector
[23:39] <Joit> but i guess its to late, that you can get an other monitor
[23:39] <cancer> Joit: i told that before, that i'm just doing experiments.... also told about monitor.
[23:40] <cancer> Joit: i'll be getting LCD soon.
[23:40] <cancer> 5mins remaining:D
[23:41] <Joit> cancer: well, at last you are maybe a little more linux expert
[23:41] <cancer> not expert yet....
[23:41] <cancer> 3 mins rema...
[23:42] <L3top> location can be NTFS, NFS, Samba... whatever... it is a very versitile tool.
[23:42] <L3top> then you can blow things up with confidence... as you are only 15 minutes back to where you are now.
[23:43] <cancer> OK :D, did you really mean blow by 'BLOW"
[23:43] <openos> Hi Why There is 2 Login Sound In My Kubuntu
[23:44] <cancer> almost done.
[23:44] <openos> SomeOne Help
[23:44] <sunitasethi> why is linux better than windows? it is free and why else?
[23:44] <cancer> L3top: what after messing. clonezilla can be used from within terminal/tty..... ?
[23:45] <openos> There is tow Login Sound In My Kubuntu After switching From Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[23:46] <L3top> no... it is an iso.. you boot to it
[23:46] <L3top> you cannot clone mounted partitions
[23:48] <cancer> L3top: its downloaded.
[23:48] <cancer> how to use it. never used iso in linux.
[23:48] <cancer> i have extracted to a folder
[23:48] <cancer> on desktop
[23:48] <L3top> burn it. you can do this in braserro
[23:49] <Joit> iso is a file what you need to burn,
[23:49] <L3top> or... kb3
[23:49] <cancer> L3top: burn it to what. don't have DVD now.
[23:49] <L3top> k3b*
[23:49] <Joit> cd-rom?
[23:49] <L3top> do you have a thumbdrive?
[23:49] <L3top> cdrom?
[23:50] <cancer> L3top: have super drive, but no blank cd/dvd
[23:50] <L3top> do you have a usb drive
[23:50] <L3top> how are you installing kubuntu?
[23:50] <cancer> yes a thumb/flash/usb drive of 2 gb.
[23:50] <L3top> that will be fine
[23:50] <cancer> L3top: need an answer to the question related to kubuntu installation?
[23:51] <cancer> :Djust asking
[23:51] <L3top> huh?
[23:52] <cancer> ok, usb
 how are you installing kubuntu?
[23:52] <Avihay> sunitasethi: don't take the "free" part lightly. it's also highly customizable, considered highly reliable and can run on many architectures.
[23:52] <L3top> plug the drive in, click the K button and type startup       you will see startup disk creator, select that, delete the thumbdrive (theres a button) and select your iso... then burn.
 L3top: need an answer to the question related to kubuntu installation?
[23:53] <L3top> Thank you Joit... I was asking, because you can do this the same way.
[23:53] <sunitasethi> avihay: i know that
[23:53] <L3top> but what I just detailed is probably fastest cancer
[23:54] <L3top> Now, I have to eat dinner.
[23:55] <cancer> ok
[23:56] <Avihay> you'd probably want to be more specific in your question. I for one find it very bothersome that windows 7 in school connects to windows-update every time I stick a thumb-drive in, making the mounting process take aprox x60 the time it should
[23:56] <Joit> sunitasethi: i think you cant say that anyone is better, but i prefer more at linux, that it does not force you to pay for any additional package and linux respects your privacy
[23:57] <cancer> Joit: how to format usb drive? it's not emptly.
[23:57] <Joit> even when i can say in much cases that linux dont bload up like windows does, with its uncomplete deinstalations
[23:58] <Joit> cancer partman ?
[23:58] <Avihay> I don't really like the fact that windows sends some automated bug reports, I hate the lack of control I feel when windows decides when to shut-down my system for updates
[23:58] <Joit> i only remember the command hardly for a tty
[23:59] <Joit> yes, windows calls a lot home, more then you may want and see
[23:59] <Avihay> the rest of my beefs with windows are centred around the "freedom" section