[00:05] <directhex> vanilla coke was rather meh
[00:05] <Azelphur> yea, it is rather meh
[00:05] <directhex> also, imported vanilla coke will be hfcs
[00:05] <Azelphur> haha
[00:06] <Azelphur> epic sweet shop opened near my house, I'm a happy camper that's where I got it from
[00:06] <Azelphur> they have everything :D
[00:06] <directhex> for only  600% markup!
[00:06] <Azelphur> haha
[00:06] <Azelphur> like 15 different types of toffe, caramel, fudge, imported coke, walls lined with everything :D
[00:06] <Azelphur> they even had bright orange chocolate bars o.O
[00:07] <directhex> american chocolate tastes of vomit :(
[00:07] <directhex> intentionally. they flavour it with vomit.
[00:07] <Azelphur> not all imported obviously
[00:07] <Azelphur> haha
[00:07] <Azelphur> vanilla coke was £1.49
[00:07] <directhex> well, that's a slight exaggeration.
[00:07] <Azelphur> some toffee was 50p, and a reasonably big belgian white chocolate was £3
[00:08] <Azelphur> so not too bad
[00:08] <directhex> but american chocolate is made with, or artificially flavoured to emulate, a process called the "hershey process" - you can guess which company first used it
[00:08] <Azelphur> haha
[00:08] <directhex> the hershey process produces butyric acid as a byproduct, which is the vile-smelling component of vomit
[00:09]  * Azelphur shrugs
[00:09] <directhex> so other companies which follow a more conventional process just throw butyric acit into their chocolate mix, to make their chocolate taste more like vomit, since it's what consumers expect
[00:09] <Azelphur> are you trying to put me off my tasty things
[00:09] <ali1234> is that why advent calendar chocolate always tastes funny?
[00:11] <Azelphur> *shrug
[00:16] <directhex> ali1234: i think those are mostly made in europe, no? europeans expect a different taste too, although theirs is for more pleasant reasons
[00:16] <directhex> ali1234: basically, brits expect chocolate to taste like cadbury's, which has an excessive quantity of vegetable oil in it
[06:49] <Knightwise> good morning everyone
[06:49] <Knightwise> how are you doing today
[06:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm good thanks Knightwise - and you? Morning everyone else.
[07:10] <diplo> Morning All
[07:17] <Knightwise>  /join #ubuntu-ppc
[07:38] <Knightwise> hey diplo
[07:38] <Knightwise> how are you today
[07:39] <diplo> Not bad thanks Knightwise, yourself
[07:39] <diplo> Well saying not bad, my arse and legs are in agony but other than that!
[07:39] <diplo> :)
[07:40] <diplo> Biggggg cycle yesterday evening with a few pub stops, then cycled to work this morning
[07:40] <diplo> May have over done it for someone as unfit as me :)
[07:45] <Knightwise> lol :) know what you mean
[07:45] <Knightwise> when i went running last time i had the same thing
[07:46] <Knightwise> hmm..
[07:46] <Knightwise> i'm looking around for some help with the install of Ubuntu on my ppc mac
[07:46] <Knightwise> but the ubuntu-ppc channel is pretty silent
[07:47] <diplo> I've never installed to a mac before, you having issues ?
[07:47] <diplo> Just ask them and someone will probably reply
[07:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:05] <Knightwise> hey modo
[08:05] <Knightwise> MooDoo:
[08:06] <Knightwise> diplo: i'm gonna pop them a question in the chat
[08:06] <MooDoo> Knightwise: hiya
[08:25] <s-fox> Hello.
[08:28] <Knightwise> hey s-fox !
[08:29] <MooDoo> hi s-fox
[08:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:42] <Azelphur> pfft morning, still havn't slept
[08:42] <Knightwise> yooo dudes
[08:42] <Knightwise> how are you
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> remember folks - just 14hrs before the EU Cookie law comes into effect - yawn.
[09:02]  * AlanBell wonders if anyone will make any effort to comply with that
[09:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:02]  * astromech guards his cookiejar and snarls at anyone coming close
[09:02] <astromech> hey brobostigon
[09:02] <brobostigon> hey astromech
[09:02] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I'm doing so for one of our larger clients :(
[09:03] <AlanBell> bigcalm: interesting, what is the approach?
[09:03] <AlanBell> asking users first, or not doing cookies?
[09:04] <bigcalm> AlanBell: presenting a modal dialog box telling the user that the site uses cookies and linking to more information as to how.
[09:05] <bigcalm> What's annoying is that this was thrown at me last night
[09:05] <Knightwise> whereupon the average user says 'what the h*ll are cookies ?*
[09:05] <bigcalm> I have enough on my plate already before going on holiday
[09:06] <AlanBell> Knightwise: that is a major flaw in the whole thing, real people, who this is supposed to protect, just don't care
[09:06] <Knightwise> just make a law that says : no third partie cookies and get it over with
[09:06] <Knightwise> AlanBell: exactly
[09:06] <brobostigon> or understand it, properly.
[09:07] <Knightwise> AlanBell: it would be more logical to make a law that has sites declare when they are trying to install a trojan on your system
[09:08] <AlanBell> it would be more logical to make it a browser issue
[09:09] <Knightwise> AlanBell: correct. but hey .. that would be logical
[09:09] <Knightwise> and legal and logical don't mix
[09:09] <brobostigon> AlanBell: isnt that kinda already there, where you can limited cookies, or tell you browser, to pickup none at all, wihtin certain parameters?
[09:09] <AlanBell> brobostigon: it is in some browsers, bit harder on mobile ones sometimes
[09:10] <AlanBell> the EU could have suggested to browser developers that they improve on this
[09:10] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i would agree, yes.
[09:10] <brobostigon> definatly.
[09:11] <ali1234> there is no way to fix stupidity
[09:11] <AlanBell> then it would actually work on facebook and google etc which are exempt anyway becuase they are not EU based websites
[09:12] <ali1234> if you try to put this in the browser you just get yet another pop up that has to be dismissed the first time yu use it and is never seen again
[09:13] <AlanBell> maybe, or unity style notifications that pop up every time a cookie is dropped
[09:13] <AlanBell> and a way to browse and remove cookies (like some browsers have already)
[09:14] <ali1234> what's the point?
[09:14] <ali1234> that's a terrible idea :(
[09:14] <ali1234> the only way to fix it is make the browser go absolutely insane whenever a site uses a 3rd party cookie
[09:15] <ali1234> treat it the same as a XSS attack
[09:15] <AlanBell> it is a less terrible idea than getting websites to do it
[09:15] <ali1234> firefox has it all wrong
[09:16] <Knightwise> I prefer IE 6 :)
[09:16] <ali1234> instead of displaying that scary warning on self-signed certs (which are more secure than "trusted" ones)
[09:16] <Knightwise> at least that way you know you get ALL the mallware
[09:16] <Knightwise> and don't miss out on anything.
[09:16] <ali1234> it should throw a fit on cross-site anything
[09:16] <AlanBell> ali1234: I agree wtih that, certainly
[09:16] <AlanBell> self-signed certs are only a bad thing if you sell certificates
[09:42] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18182280
[09:42] <ali1234> cool, now the kids can learn how to deal with kernel panics and overheating hardware
[09:44] <ali1234> and no, i don't think much better of arduino
[09:44] <AlanBell> I am so glad I asked them not to ship it with Ubuntu 9.04 or whatever they were going to do
[09:59] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ok to pm?
[10:03] <bigcalm> Where's AlanBell wandered off to?
[10:06] <AlanBell> bigcalm: sure
[10:06] <bigcalm> There he is!
[10:06] <bigcalm> I shouldn't be thinking about lunch already, should I?
[10:08] <Darael> bigcalm: Why on earth not?  Food is always good.
[10:08] <bigcalm> Darael: well, it's good to keep to fairly regular set times
[10:09] <Darael> Bah.  Some of us don't have the luxury of the right body-type for that.  I graze.
[10:13] <davmor2> morning all
[10:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: prodity prod
[10:17] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:23] <davmor2> morning bigcalm
[10:34] <bigcalm> One for popey: http://failblog.org/2012/05/24/funny-facebook-fails-failbook-also-the-reason-why-i-got-a-sex-change/
[10:34] <popey> hah
[10:35] <bigcalm> popey: working from home just isn't the same eh?
[10:36] <popey> correct
[10:56] <Knightwise> popey
[10:56] <Knightwise> :)
[10:59] <diplo> Anyone watching the #dragon vid from nasa ?
[11:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: is this you coming out of the closet ;)
[11:01] <bigcalm> That's right, davmor2. As a prank, I'm outing myself
[11:01] <bigcalm> Oh I am such a rotter
[11:02] <bigcalm> How is /rot13 not a default command on all irssi clients?
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know I thought the mrs had locked you in one for saying she was 40 in public :P
[11:03] <bigcalm> I'll be 33 in a month and a bit, don't see the fuss about ages myself
[11:03] <bigcalm> 38 days that is
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah but you're a bloke you're not meant to notice :D
[11:04] <davmor2> brb kernel update reboot time
[11:06] <diplo> bigcalm: I don't see the problem either, my friend I'm off out with tonight is 36/37 and his missis is 12 years older
[11:06] <diplo> Lovely woman and they are really happy
[11:07] <bigcalm> The fact that Hayley still gets asked for ID should be pleasing for any woman
[11:07] <bigcalm> It annoys Hayley somewhat sadly
[11:08]  * gordonjcp was asked for ID in Tesco a few months back
[11:09] <bigcalm> gordonjcp: were you buying a Ben10 item and they thought you were too old?
[11:09] <DJones> If people are happy together, thats what matters, there's 15 years between my wife & me, it doesn't bother us or our firends & family
[11:09] <DJones> s/firends/friends
[11:10] <davmor2> no-ones ask me for ID for age purpose since I hit 16 :(
[11:10] <DJones> And I'm the old one, although maybe its a bit scary when I think that I left school when she was 6 months old :)
[11:11] <bigcalm> DJones: heh :)
[11:13] <DJones> Most of the people we know thought I was only about 3 years older than her when we got together, thats definately changes in the last 9 years together though
[11:48] <ali1234> any idea why this "doesn't work" http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004570/
[11:49] <ali1234> (jquery)
[12:11] <brobostigon> what is the group name, to give a user usb access?
[12:11] <bigcalm> ali1234: what is firebug saying?
[12:11] <ali1234> bigcalm: diddly
[12:11] <bigcalm> ali1234: what alerts are being shown?
[12:12] <ali1234> http://jsfiddle.net/AHAQF/2/
[12:12] <ali1234> alerts one and two show, three doesn't show when you click button
[12:13] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: beer
[12:13] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: I wouldn't have minded if I wasn't quite so *clearly* over 18
[12:13] <gordonjcp> or 21, or 25 or whatever arbitrary thing
[12:14] <ali1234> it produces no error messages at all on console
[12:14] <gordonjcp> maybe they have upped it to Challenge 38
[12:15] <gordonjcp> buggroff, I have a grey beard and a PWEI t-shirt, do I look like I'm under 18?
[12:18] <bigcalm> ali1234: I can make it work by putting $ before(function($) {
[12:18] <ali1234> ah
[12:18] <bigcalm> The (jQuery) is then optional
[12:18] <ali1234> hmm
[12:19] <ali1234> unfortunately that does not work on the real version
[12:19] <ali1234> then i get "$ is not a function"
[12:21] <ali1234> website version: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004620/
[12:22] <ali1234> ah i think i know
[12:22] <bigcalm> So this won't work for you?
[12:22] <bigcalm> $(document).ready(function() { ... }
[12:22] <ali1234> no
[12:23] <ali1234> yeah, i need to use that
[12:23] <ali1234> because the DOM isn't ready when it has only loaded the header
[12:23] <bigcalm> I run jQuery in compatability mode and set up $j to be my jQuery object
[12:24] <bigcalm> And then run everything though $j
[12:24] <bigcalm> That way I know that I have personally set $j
[12:31] <ali1234> ok that doesn't work either
[12:33] <ali1234> ok i finally got it to work... by writing jQuery everywhere instead of $
[12:34] <bigcalm> Eugh
[12:34] <bigcalm> You really shouldn't have to do that!
[12:35] <ali1234> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004644/ cf http://docs.jquery.com/Tutorials:Getting_Started_with_jQuery
[12:36] <ali1234> i guess that is why that funny function wrapper with jQuery as a param
[12:36] <ali1234> wordpress must have done something odd to jquery
[12:38] <ali1234> it works!
[12:55] <bigcalm> Lunch!
[13:13]  * diplo is debating have a liquid pub lunch....
[13:14] <diplo> Problem is will I come back :-/
[13:15] <diddledan> ali1234, afaik jquery in wordpress is unchanged from upstream
[13:16] <diddledan> they just simply call jquery.noConflict()
[13:16] <diddledan> http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.noConflict/
[14:03] <arsen> hi guys, new system using NIS auth for user login - logged into desktop which seems successful, but no menu/rightclick menu or desktop items/panels load?
[14:04] <brobostigon> svn checkout http://yubico-yubiserve.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ yubico-yubiserve-read-only
[14:04] <brobostigon> sorry.
[14:06] <diplo> brobostigon: You can shorten that to svn co url
[14:06] <diplo> or svn ci to checkin
[14:06] <diplo> just fyi
[14:06] <brobostigon> diplo: agreed, yes. i just tried the server software there, and didnt get it working anyway.
[14:09] <vedreamer> anyone know anything about Ubuntu Partner/Reseller programmme?
[14:13] <diplo> vedreamer: I believe AlanBell / TheOpenSourcerer are partners to Canonical
[14:13] <diplo> libertus.co.uk
[14:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo - not really.
[14:14] <diplo> oh :(
[14:14] <diplo> just remember it mentioned and checked your site
[14:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> We were many moons ago but their partner programme at that time was non-existent.
[14:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> So it was pointless.
[14:15] <vedreamer> They give give much information away at the moment either
[14:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> They have made many changes to it in the recent past so it may well be much better now.
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Our services tend to focus on the business applications rather then the underlying OS so there doesn't seem to be much benefit to being a partner right now...
[14:16] <AlanBell> afternoon
[14:17] <vedreamer> Been discussing opportunities for private cloud consultancy with a colleague this morning. Relationships help :-)
[14:17] <AlanBell> yeah, we are kind of "friends of" canonical but not partners
[14:17] <AlanBell> they follow us on twitter but we unfriended them on facebook :)
[14:18] <vedreamer> :)
[14:18] <diplo> I hadn't ever thought of looking for ubuntu on facebook :)
[14:19] <AlanBell> every so often there is a post from "Ubuntu" with about 400 ignorant and faily comments on it
[14:19] <AlanBell> I have no idea how that happens
[14:20] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I think jono
[14:21] <AlanBell> yeah, I know jono posts things, I just don't get who the other people are
[14:21] <AlanBell> facebook confuses and worries me
[14:22] <popey> they are our target audience
[14:22] <diplo> I use it for friends and that's it
[14:22] <diplo> I use G+ for everything else
[14:23] <AlanBell> I would use it for friends, but I added various bits of family, which has broken it for me
[14:23] <arsen> hio all - anyone able to assist? have a user attempting to login via NIS auth, gdm login seems to work, gnome appears to load to some extent but no desktop items/panels/objects load, just a movable cursor + desktop background (no right click either)
[14:23] <arsen> i suspect it maybe permissions related, as a local root account works fine?
[14:24] <diplo> I've never tried arsen so don't want to throw ideas at yo and break more
[14:24] <diplo> :)
[14:24] <diplo> But does sound permission related
[14:25] <arsen> well feel free if you know anything that maybe read at login that could cause it :/ initialyl had issues with NFS not being started, or atleast NIS not doing NIS automount before fstab automount, meaning no /home for the user
[14:25] <arsen> but now that's sorted, just doesnt seem to load stuffs. i don't know much about gnome itself.
[14:25] <arsen> strangely, xfce works
[14:26] <diplo> Read through this ?
[14:26] <diplo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNISHowTo
[14:27] <diplo> Checked id of the user, see what it outputs ?
[14:27] <diplo> Be odd that it works on Xfce and not gdm though if it was wrong
[14:31] <arsen> yeah login works with other DE's too, not just xfce
[14:31] <arsen> so its gnome and NIS related it seems
[14:34] <dwatkins> go on, try this one: http://xpde.holobit.net/ ;-)
[14:35] <dwatkins> (I'm kidding, it hasn't been updated in years, but it's amusing nonetheless)
[14:37] <arsen> thanks.
[14:42] <arsen> im wondering if its related to gnome3 - is there a config setting to enable fallback?
[15:01] <AlanBell> anyone else find dual monitors randomly flip to "mirrored"?
[15:02] <gord> not for me, on nvidia
[15:02] <AlanBell> for me it is generally once about 2 minutes after I get it set up how I want it, then it is OK
[15:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Happens to me at some random point. Just happened after most of the day working fine.
[15:04] <gord> could it be related to activity?
[15:05] <AlanBell> possibly related to clicking in the laptop screen after a bit
[15:05] <AlanBell> the displays dialog in generall has an over-fondness for mirrored
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord, what you mean actually using it?
[15:06] <AlanBell> I never want mirrored displays evar
[15:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\evar\evah
[15:06] <gord> yeah, like i don't know, maybe the lock screen comes up and gnome gets confused
[15:07] <AlanBell> doubt it is the lock screen, it is generally just as I start doing something interesting
[15:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I clicked a mouse button.
[15:09]  * gord wonders why his default application for Calender is gedit
[15:12] <popey> my machine locks up if i plug two screens in and move them about ☹
[15:13] <ryanl23> Move the screens about or items on the screen?
[15:16] <popey> the screens
[15:16] <popey> in the display applet thing
[15:16] <popey> my desktop monitor is behind my laptop not side by side, if i move the displays around to relfect that, then hit apply... BOOM!
[15:16] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1002958
[15:17] <ryanl23> Thats a bizzare bug haha
[15:17] <popey> indeed
[15:17] <diplo> gord: Mine was like that a few revisions ago
[15:17] <diplo> Never found out why, or could work out why it did it
[15:18] <ryanl23> Im not having that problem tbh....i do have problems with the nvidia drivers though...
[15:18] <ryanl23> always have....pain in the arse..
[16:24] <HilBilly_> g
[16:25] <popey> J!
[16:25] <HilBilly_> Tranquille ici
[16:25] <popey> Oui!
[16:25] <HilBilly_> etes vous un conaisseur de la nouvelle version 12.04 LTS par hasardÉ
[16:26] <HilBilly_> É
[16:40] <gord> thus concludes popey's attempt to communicate with the other nations
[16:41] <popey> Bon.
[17:34] <lucid> ..
[18:50] <vedreamer> Gods teeth. Kernel been building all day
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> vedreamer: on rpi?
[19:18] <cocoa117> does the new Freeview HD for DVB-T require new tuner DVB-T2?
[19:18] <diddledan> cocoa117, yes
[19:19] <cocoa117> diddledan, my dvb-t tunner wont even see the HD channel, right?
[19:19] <diddledan> that's correct
[19:20] <cocoa117> got it, cheers
[19:20] <diddledan> np
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> T2, S2, C2 tend to be used for HD because of the increased bandwidth
[19:23] <cocoa117> diddledan, is dvb-t2 tuner backwards compatible with dvb-t? do i have to keep both tuner for all the channels?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> They tend to be yes
[19:23] <cocoa117> it seems dvb-s2 tuner is fine to receive all the SD channels as well
[19:23] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, got it
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> S2 can receive S as well
[19:37]  * AlanBell boots kubuntu 11.10 from CD
[19:37]  * bittin downloads update to my android tablets rom 
[19:38] <AlanBell> jussi is going to like the pictures that I just took :)
[19:46] <AlanBell> well that was a complete success, Kubuntu CDs when left dangling in a chicken run for 6 months work perfectly
[19:47] <AlanBell> Daviey will be pleased to hear I am now 'installing' Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS
[20:02] <czajkowski> evening
[20:10] <Daviey> AlanBell: you are brave :)
[20:11] <czajkowski> this isevning is turning out a bit badly planned, only getting down to have dinner and have yet to get ready for tomorrow :/
[20:14]  * bigcalm looks in for a spell
[20:24] <czajkowski> bigcalm: no spells in here
[20:24] <AlanBell> Daviey: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6hbTxUq1FM8mSdHvm7uFptMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink the installation was a success
[20:25] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I'll just have to stay for the company then :)
[20:28] <bigcalm> Could do with some high energy electronic or dub step to get me though the evening
[20:28] <Daviey> AlanBell: hah.
[20:29]  * popey tickles bigcalm 
[20:30] <bigcalm> Now up to 8 work spaces on my laptop :(
[20:30]  * bigcalm vibrates popey
[20:33] <czajkowski> hmmm my 12.04 seems a bit broken today
[20:34] <czajkowski> did updates and now it's hanging at random times:/
[20:34] <czajkowski> hmm 14 more updates lets hope there is something in there that can help
[20:38] <bigcalm> Shouldn't you be running 12.10?
[20:40] <gord> this early? thar be dragons
[20:41] <czajkowski> I need a working lapotp
[20:41] <czajkowski> though I do have old laptop lying aorund could do with that that
[20:43] <Daviey> gord: you haven't heard of rolling stability ?
[20:43] <Daviey> did you miss the memo?
[20:44] <gord> oh right i forgot, everything works perfectly fine all the time now
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> gord: except when YOU introduced bugs ;)
[20:47] <Daviey> gord: i don't know about that desktop lark.. but server, i'd be inclined to say yes :)
[20:49] <gord> is ubuntu.com on 12.10 yet? ;)
[20:52] <Daviey> gord: oh, you are one of them.
[20:53] <gord> yup! whos that now?
[21:04] <cocoa117> is i7 always quad-core?
[21:04] <AlanBell> no, we have a hex core server cocoa117
[21:05] <cocoa117> in other word, i can't get i5 with quad-core, right?
[21:06] <cocoa117> hold on, no
[21:06] <cocoa117> sandy bridge desktop does, damn this thing is more complicated then i thought
[23:17] <Azelphur> hmm, all the things are segmentation faulting.
[23:18] <Azelphur> and I mean literally everything, I can't open chrome, terminal, nothing xD
[23:19] <Azelphur> guess it's reboot time lol
[23:43] <shauno> Azelphur: I had a strange issue last night where everything was exploding in the most delightful ways.  turned out I'd knocked the firewire cable out (booted off an external disk while I get my ssd rma'd)
[23:43] <shauno> some of the most hellish error messages you've ever seen can start to make sense very quickly :)
[23:43] <Azelphur> xD
[23:44] <popey> shauno: ssd failed?
[23:45] <shauno> popey: yeah
[23:45] <popey> ☹
[23:45] <shauno> not best pleased, but it's in warranty and I have backups
[23:45] <popey> did it just fail one day?
[23:45] <popey> no warning, dead?
[23:45] <shauno> no warning at all.  was at work, powered it off, came home, powered it back on, it basically didn't exist
[23:46] <popey> bummer
[23:46] <popey> what make/model?
[23:46] <shauno> owc mercury
[23:47] <popey> ooh, bed time
[23:47] <shauno> (not sure if they rebrand someone else's, but it showed up as owc in sysinfo too)
[23:47] <shauno> backups are good, mailing disks to colorado for an RMA, not so good :)
[23:47] <shauno> night