[00:04] <philipballew> Excellent. It is a really sweet area.
[07:11] <philipballew> this channel dies when I am most awake
[07:11] <philipballew> We need a CA nighttime users group!
[07:39] <jbermudes> philipballew: ok, but you bring the snacks
[18:12] <BA707> Hello California...   Bruce in Lake County, just outside Middletown (100 mi North of Oakland) just dropping in after being away from Ubuntu for a few years.
[18:14] <akk> hi, BA707
[18:15] <BA707> Greetings akk...
[18:15] <BA707> Where are you in CA ?
[18:16] <akk> I'm in San Jose.
[18:18] <pleia2> welcome BA707
[18:18] <BA707> Greeting Pleia2.
[18:19] <BA707> Ah yes..  where it all began... San Jose and Sunnyvale..  ;)
[18:19] <akk> silly-con valley
[18:19] <BA707> LOL
[18:19] <BA707> exactly
[18:19] <BA707> thank you
[18:20] <BA707> been through there several time when I was living in West Oak.
[18:21] <akk> Not quite as scenic as where you are now.
[18:21] <BA707> aamof, was on my way to a concert in SJ when I got my LeBaron totaled.  Never made the concert :(
[18:22] <BA707> true, very true.  But more work to be had..   It's tough to survive up here, due to the lack of jobs.
[18:22] <BA707> Not much discretionary income out here for hiring a 'Computer Consultant' now days..
[18:23] <BA707> But I flatly refuse to put myself in the place of the stress that comes with the corporate race.
[18:23] <BA707> at 55 (err 56 in a few days), that would not be healthy for me.
[18:26] <BA707> Need to do some updates.  Using v10.04 Desktop from the ISO, and having some minor problems with it.  Does anyone have advice on which updates to let Lucid do ?  Or should I just let it run-free and do them ALL ?
[18:27] <BA707> no updates applied at this point
[18:27] <BA707> fresh install
[18:28] <akk> A fresh install of 2-year-old Lucid?
[18:29] <pleia2> in general I'd just let all the updates get applied, did you just download the iso (so.. 10.04.4) or an old iso?
[18:29] <BA707> yup..  that's the burn I had available.
[18:29] <akk> I'd do all the updates, since they'll mostly be security updates, but why not update to Pangolin?
[18:29] <philipballew> 12.04 is really nice
[18:29] <BA707> d/l it a couple years ago.  started out with v8.04 LTS from the mailed CD set.
[18:30] <BA707> can the update to 12+ be dome online ?  Or should I nuke and start from scratch ?
[18:30] <BA707> done
[18:31] <pleia2> it can be, but if it's already a fresh install it would be faster to just reinstall
[18:31] <akk> You can do it online -- there's a gui upgrade manager or commandline do-release-upgrade
[18:31] <BA707> As I recall that is in the Admin menu, yes ?
[18:31] <akk> I'm not sure it's faster to install if you include time to download another ISO, then burn it, then install it, then get all the updates.
[18:32] <akk> But it might be marginally safer (you know you get a clean install, no upgrade issues).
[18:32] <pleia2> well, first you need to apply all the updates to 10.04, which is most likely a bigger download than a 700M iso
[18:33] <pleia2> some of the updates to 10.04 smooth the transition to 12.04, otherwise it'll be a bit of a mess :\
[18:33] <BA707> True, but I am not 100% sure about my burner at this point, I had started to have some issues with ISO burns on my last couple attempts testing other distros.
[18:34] <BA707> think I'll try the update path first and see if that completes.
[18:34] <akk> I probably would -- burners are a hassle. Mine seem to die every other time I try to use them.
[18:34] <BA707> I'll do the scty updates first, then apply the misc, and see how that goes..
[18:35] <akk> (which admittedly is once or twice a year ... apparently they don't like sitting idle.)
[18:35] <akk> Doing the updates is probably a waste of time if you're about to upgrade to a different release.
[18:35] <akk> Except that you do want to make sure apt-get and do-release-upgrade are as current as possible.
[18:36]  * akk goes off to a meeting -- good luck, BA707!
[18:37] <BA707> You got THAT right..  I even started using a head cleaner on a regular basis, but to no avail...  I'll be glad when we progress to the little crystaline 'sugar cube' for our data storage..  ;)
[18:37] <BA707> Thanks akk..  I'm going to go grab a cup of tea and watch the update here..  Thanks..
[18:39] <BA707> pleia2: And I thank you for your advice...  Sounds like I may have a chance..  You now have me hungry to try 12+
[18:39]  * BA707 is closing apps to attempt the updates...
[20:56] <Faqtotum> bkerensa: any luck with that guy?
[20:59] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: Waiting on response... I told him if he comes out tomorrow to NE I will buy it from him before I leave town Saturday morning but if not I asked if he can take Paypal and ship it to California to DonkeyHotei
[21:00] <Faqtotum> that's me
[21:00] <Faqtotum> if you get it before you leave, are you by any chance headed this way?
[21:02] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: lol not a chance :P im just going to a diff town in Oregon
[21:02] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: I thought it was for DonkeyHotei ?
[21:02] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: the guy says he will take paypal verified and ship?
[21:04] <philipballew> raevol you made it@
[21:04] <philipballew> !
[21:04]  * bkerensa poofs off to run errands
[21:05]  * Faqtotum is DonkeyHotei\
[21:06] <philipballew> all these crazy people with so many nik's
[21:08] <akk> so confusing
[21:09] <philipballew> people might not like if my name was both philip and betty at the same time.
[22:05] <raevol> philipballew: \o/
[23:30] <pleia2> jtatum: ah, just got my alert for the -us linode migration
[23:32] <jtatum> going a lot slower than I imagined :) still haven't gotten one for my second linode
[23:32] <pleia2> haven't gotten one for my personal one yet
[23:33] <jtatum> i suppose it's a lot of work that they don't want to do all at once
[23:33]  * pleia2 nods
[23:35] <bkerensa> pleia2: your migrating away? :P
[23:36] <pleia2> bkerensa: no, linode is doing hardware upgrades of all their systems, so they're creating tickets and migrating hosts
[23:37] <bkerensa> pleia2: ahh fun times