| shakes808 | I am getting this error when trying to upload to github: | 03:24 |
|---|---|---|
| shakes808 | ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast-forward) | 03:24 |
| shakes808 | error: failed to push some refs to 'MY FILE PATH' | 03:24 |
| shakes808 | To prevent you from losing history, non-fast-forward updates were rejected | 03:24 |
| shakes808 | Merge the remote changes (e.g. 'git pull') before pushing again. See the | 03:24 |
| shakes808 | 'Note about fast-forwards' section of 'git push --help' for details. | 03:24 |
| shakes808 | got it, had to pull because of the README file | 03:44 |
| nixternal | damn, i just found old pictures from penguicon. definitely going next year. greg-g you have to go too dude | 03:50 |
| shakes808 | ... I uploaded 4 files and now they are gone from my box and not on github | 03:50 |
| shakes808 | where would they have gone? | 03:50 |
| rick_h_ | bah, so picasa and G+ merging is near complete it appears | 11:11 |
| shakes808 | good morning | 11:34 |
| brousch | gm | 11:41 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:41 |
| shakes808 | Awesome shirt | 11:42 |
| shakes808 | http://shirt.woot.com/ | 11:42 |
| snap-l | btw: I played way too long with civicrm last night | 11:42 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: :) | 11:42 |
| shakes808 | snap-l: what? | 11:42 |
| rick_h_ | any success? | 11:42 |
| snap-l | http://www.mug.org/meetings/ | 11:42 |
| snap-l | That's auto-generated | 11:42 |
| snap-l | Membership stuff is proving a little tricky | 11:43 |
| snap-l | Apparently WP did some changes to how it munged URLs, and civicrm hasn't caught up | 11:43 |
| snap-l | Bah, there's a new version | 11:44 |
| snap-l | Wonder if it has the love I'm looking for | 11:44 |
| snap-l | Hm, don't think so, but it looks promising | 11:47 |
| snap-l | but, it does have membership management | 11:47 |
| brousch | you can modify how wordpress generates urls | 11:48 |
| snap-l | So I think we can get more current | 11:48 |
| snap-l | brousch: right, but 3.3.2 apparently busted one of the methods | 11:48 |
| snap-l | and I didn't find an alternate | 11:48 |
| snap-l | and it was 1am | 11:48 |
| brousch | i got the go-ahead to buy a tablet for our project manager at work so he can bring all of the drawings into the field, take dimensions and photos, access email | 12:42 |
| brousch | this'll be fun | 12:42 |
| nullspace | yawn | 12:52 |
| snap-l | nullspace: are we keeping you awake? | 12:56 |
| shakes808 | nullspace: take a look at this, maybe make you laugh for a moment and amuse you to stay awake for the next 5 mins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJxyuTMMog&feature=endscreen&NR=1 | 12:59 |
| nullspace | just needed some coffee | 13:04 |
| nullspace | snap-l: how goes the web dev job...? | 13:05 |
| brousch | i'm looking at a eee pad transformer tf101g tablet. it has "Mobile broadband: GSM Quad bands, HSPA+ (I,II,V,VIII)". anyone know if that means it will work on ATT? | 13:44 |
| snap-l | http://9gag.com/gag/4258072 | 13:50 |
| snap-l | Guitar Hero is now on Linux | 13:50 |
| jrwren | o_O | 13:53 |
| jrwren | hahahahah | 13:53 |
| snap-l | I'm an uncaring bastard | 13:55 |
| snap-l | Reading mailing lists where someone say "I'm having such and such problem with Windows because ..." | 13:55 |
| snap-l | and all I see is "... because I'm not running Linux" | 13:55 |
| snap-l | shameful | 13:55 |
| jrwren | its a fair thought. | 13:56 |
| jrwren | i used to have it often when running windows. | 13:56 |
| jrwren | "Linux would NEVER take this long to login, and even if it did, I'd be able to fix it." I still have that every time I login to my windows machine (which is only monthly) | 13:57 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's mostly gcc errors, or other environmental errors | 13:57 |
| jrwren | ugh. | 13:59 |
| jrwren | cygwin? | 13:59 |
| snap-l | something of that ilk, yes | 13:59 |
| brousch | ok, this is kind of cool http://www.jacobian.org/writing/auto-building-sphinx/ | 14:38 |
| jcastro | how's the weather up there guys? | 15:09 |
| jcastro | shorts or jeans? | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | shorts, hot stuff | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | 85 today | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, 90 by monday | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | when does my flight to portland leave? | 15:10 |
| jcastro | it's been raining here | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | they say rain sat some, but we'll see | 15:10 |
| jrwren | you are going to portland?!? *jealous* | 15:12 |
| rick_h_ | no, I want to move there | 15:12 |
| rick_h_ | but wife won't let me | 15:12 |
| rick_h_ | hot days like this makes my desire to move greater | 15:13 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: The spirit of the 90s is still alive, in portland. | 15:13 |
| rick_h_ | woot! | 15:13 |
| rick_h_ | everyone wants to live in their high school years right? | 15:13 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: portland is at the top of my list too. | 15:13 |
| jrwren | oh damn, i quoted it wrong. | 15:13 |
| jrwren | The dream of the 90s is still alive in portland | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | doh, close enough for me | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | still want to go | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | currently 51 in portland | 15:14 |
| jrwren | You know, the 1990s where piercings and working in coffee shops and forming bands were actual things that people did. | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | high today of 58 woot! | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | 73 tomorrow, oooh...so perfect | 15:14 |
| brousch | i read that once global warming really kicks in West MI will have weather similar to Portland's now | 15:17 |
| snap-l | What exactly was the dream of the nineties? TO be a bunch of hipster hippie wannabies? | 15:18 |
| jrwren | brousch: i can't wait to move to South Haven. | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: to spend a small fortune on AC? | 15:18 |
| jrwren | snap-l: grunge was WAY before hipster. | 15:18 |
| snap-l | Best thing Kurt Cobain did for music was pulling a trigger | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | grunge ftw :) /me goes looking for his collection of black jeans, black flannels, and black metallica shirts | 15:19 |
| jrwren | snap-l: oh come on. Billy Ho is a fun song. | 15:19 |
| snap-l | That's not grunge. That's Goth from Hot Topic | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | this is when you learn that snap-l is a little bit ahead of us in terms of time | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | psh, this was pre hot topic by about a decade or two | 15:19 |
| jrwren | he'd have to be. have you seen his prog rock listen list? | 15:20 |
| rick_h_ | no, I appreciate snap-l's passion for music, but don't know we share much in actual tastes | 15:20 |
| snap-l | Nirvana's "Nevermind" wasn't a cool title, it was sage advice for future generations | 15:20 |
| brousch | nirvana unplugged in new york is still the best album ever made | 15:20 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:20 |
| brousch | EVAR | 15:20 |
| jrwren | LOL. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | bullshit. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | and i honestly feel sorry for you if you believe that. | 15:20 |
| snap-l | I had the album. I listened to it. I got bored | 15:21 |
| brousch | i could listen to it 12 hours a day | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Smashing Pumpkins Gish: Listened. Liked. Got Bored. Sold. | 15:21 |
| jrwren | snap-l: same | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Soundgarden Badmotorfinger: Listened. Meh. Got Bored. Sold. | 15:21 |
| brousch | smashing pumpkins voice is annoying | 15:21 |
| rick_h_ | pumpkins! | 15:21 |
| jrwren | snap-l: but i feel that way for most music of that style and esp that era. | 15:22 |
| * rick_h_ goes back to his weezer/greenday playlist | 15:22 | |
| jrwren | although for some reason Catherine Wheel comes to mind and I want to listen to it. | 15:22 |
| brousch | now we're talkin | 15:22 |
| snap-l | I respect Billy, I think he's a great musician | 15:22 |
| * jrwren is listening ot Laibach :) | 15:22 | |
| rick_h_ | man, I found the voices annoying of AC/DC and Beastie Boys... | 15:22 |
| snap-l | but it's not something I want to listen to more than once | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | pumpkins, never a problem | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | mayonaise ftw! | 15:22 |
| snap-l | The 90s made Thrash Metal go away | 15:23 |
| brousch | axle rose has the best voice | 15:23 |
| jrwren | is that a song on an album? sounds familiar. | 15:23 |
| snap-l | and now Thrash is back | 15:23 |
| snap-l | I rue the grunge revival | 15:23 |
| jrwren | i'm very picky with metal. just a few bands I like | 15:23 |
| snap-l | Fortunately with Metal now having an internet network, I don't have to participate. | 15:24 |
| jrwren | YAY! | 15:24 |
| snap-l | Y'all can have your Alice in Chains, your Social Distortion, your Bush, your Hootie and the fuckin' Blowfish | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, it's a pumpkin tune I'm particular to | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | oh man, AIC, Social D yes! | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | hootie...ummm...that's chick stuff :P | 15:25 |
| brousch | spin doctors | 15:25 |
| snap-l | 12 hours clockwork orange style with Rick and my music collection. That's all I ask. | 15:25 |
| jrwren | I do like AiC | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | then again my first CD ever bought was Metallica Black | 15:26 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Oh ffs | 15:26 |
| brousch | alice in chains unplugged is also awesome | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | yea, dirt is awesome | 15:26 |
| jrwren | dirt and facelift | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: I had some cassettes before that, but not a ton, but I got into music in the black, perl jam, etc era | 15:26 |
| snap-l | (though my first CD was Byran Adams, so I have no room to talk) | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | hah, I had one of those | 15:27 |
| jrwren | that reminds me, i downloaded some Prince that I want to listen to | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | speaking of things I could never get into | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | wtf do people find in Prince? | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 15:27 |
| brousch | my first tape was dj jazzy jeff and the fresh prince | 15:27 |
| jrwren | VERY hit and miss. | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:27 |
| snap-l | First Three Discs: Bryan Adams: INto the Fire, Bon Jovie: Slippery when wet, and Joe Jackson: Big World. | 15:27 |
| snap-l | Guess which of the three I still have | 15:27 |
| brousch | bon jovia? omg | 15:27 |
| * brousch unsubscribes from OMC | 15:28 | |
| jrwren | what is the Joe Jackson like? | 15:28 |
| rick_h_ | hah, used to listen to jovi in elementry school during lunch break | 15:28 |
| jrwren | I really know nothing about him. | 15:28 |
| rick_h_ | I'm with jrwren, "who?" | 15:28 |
| snap-l | OK, start with Look Sharp | 15:28 |
| snap-l | move through Night and Day | 15:28 |
| snap-l | and then Blaze of Glory | 15:28 |
| snap-l | then purchase the rest of his catalog | 15:29 |
| jrwren | really???? | 15:29 |
| snap-l | Yep | 15:29 |
| jrwren | you are that pro Joe? | 15:29 |
| jrwren | i only know him from one song he did with Shatner. | 15:29 |
| snap-l | I love his stuff | 15:29 |
| snap-l | He's a musician's Musician | 15:29 |
| snap-l | Put it another way: ANthrax covered Got The Time | 15:29 |
| snap-l | I tried for months to try to get my high-school band Blackat Chiquita to cover it | 15:30 |
| snap-l | suddenly Anthrax covers it, and I'm a visionary. :) | 15:30 |
| snap-l | jrwren: You might not like the earlier stuff. Not sure if you like New Wave | 15:31 |
| snap-l | But he moves out of that in Night and Day | 15:31 |
| snap-l | And Blaze of Glory shows a more mature musician. | 15:32 |
| brousch | oh, for you geeks with children, this book is pretty cool http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0756690153/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00 | 15:35 |
| jrwren | ok, this is a weird question, but when and what song is that jock jams song ? | 15:42 |
| jrwren | you know. THAT jock jams song. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | Gary Glitter - Rock'n Roll 1972. WOW, I had no idea that was that old. | 15:44 |
| jrwren | I ask becuase I'm LMAO at Doctorin' The Tardis by The Timelords. | 15:45 |
| snap-l | jrwren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ3NDP-Qiak | 16:33 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK5c4O-pKec | 16:34 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNvRTwNzTr8 | 16:34 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dopneKcyNXU | 16:35 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUjn2Q5oIBY | 16:36 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcd4f6dMHUk | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | ummm... https://github.com/languages | 16:56 |
| snap-l | Fuck, Ada doesn't even rank | 16:56 |
| _stink_ | hah | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | coffeescript makes the list now :/ | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: material for your meet up ^^ | 16:57 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah, everyone's rewriting their Javascript todolist applications in it. | 16:57 |
| snap-l | I'll wager all of that Javascript yet another god-damn framework and jQuery plugins | 16:58 |
| snap-l | "Forked project blah blah because that jackass wouldn't accept my color scheme" | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 16:59 |
| rick_h_ | django has good docs my @#$#@ | 17:28 |
| brousch | no, no. django has many docs | 17:29 |
| rick_h_ | so they're called "Api" docs | 17:30 |
| rick_h_ | but they don't show the api | 17:30 |
| rick_h_ | so I go "well...that's retarded it can't do XX" | 17:31 |
| rick_h_ | and then later find a blog post saying "Pass this kwarg that wasn't in the "api" docs" | 17:31 |
| nullspace | some might even be empty or just include a header, description and some references | 17:31 |
| rick_h_ | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/forms/api/#ref-forms-api-bound-unbound seems like the place to find out about binding data to a form | 17:31 |
| rick_h_ | but nothing mentions the instance kwarg... | 17:31 |
| rick_h_ | I've got to go find this: http://www.ironzebra.com/news/3/how-to-quickly-create-a-django-edit-form-from-object-instance | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | *sigh* | 17:32 |
| brousch | forms are one of their painpoints | 17:36 |
| brousch | there are a couple of newer modules that are supposedly better | 17:37 |
| rick_h_ | but it's all magical and unicorns! | 17:37 |
| rick_h_ | the docs are > * | 17:37 |
| brousch | django-uni-form | 17:38 |
| brousch | django-floppyforms | 17:38 |
| brousch | i think floppy is the current hotness | 17:39 |
| brousch | djangofloppyform | 17:39 |
| brousch | s | 17:39 |
| rick_h_ | !@#@! I can't even just import the damn thing in bpython because I need a settings crap setup first? | 17:44 |
| rick_h_ | you've got to be kidding me | 17:44 |
| greg-g | uh oh | 17:45 |
| * greg-g steps away from rick_h_ and covers himself with a heat shield | 17:45 | |
| rick_h_ | I mean seriously..who ever heard of not being able to import a module until you've done config/setup first? | 17:46 |
| rick_h_ | this is the great python hope... "I'm sorry...you've not declared your intentions. I can't let you import that module at all" | 17:46 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Apparently Django developers have. | 17:46 |
| rick_h_ | this is what you get when you let newspaper people run things :P | 17:47 |
| rick_h_ | and this silently fail template BS is for the birds | 17:49 |
| rick_h_ | ok, ready to do battle. Downloaded Django and have it open in an editor so I can view the api while I work | 17:50 |
| rick_h_ | this is truly what linux workspaces were meant for...fixing stupid docs | 17:50 |
| rick_h_ | have I mentioned lately that if you can't read source code go read some now? :) | 17:50 |
| greg-g | heh | 17:51 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: django settings? | 17:53 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, if you just do a fresh venv, and instlal django, and launch python | 17:53 |
| rick_h_ | you can't import certain modules because you lack django settings | 17:53 |
| jrwren | yup | 17:54 |
| jrwren | from django.config import settings | 17:54 |
| rick_h_ | I just want to explore the freaking code in the shell, I'm not trying to run | 17:54 |
| jrwren | all you need AFAIK | 17:54 |
| rick_h_ | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/676/ | 17:54 |
| brousch | maybe you need to make a project | 17:55 |
| brousch | and empty project | 17:55 |
| rick_h_ | I just want to browse the code, not setup a project. | 17:55 |
| rick_h_ | it wants me to setup an ENV like I'm running stuff, but I'm not | 17:56 |
| brousch | ah, i see | 17:56 |
| rick_h_ | you know me...always "doing it wrong" | 17:56 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 17:56 |
| snap-l | Maybe it's you. :) | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | I'm sure it is | 17:57 |
| snap-l | remind me not to taunt rick_h_. He knows where I live | 17:57 |
| snap-l | and where i work | 17:57 |
| brousch | quit exploring. just do what the docs tell you to do! | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | though I do feel a little better that the requests library author favorited that tweet | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: I would but the docs don't tell me :P | 17:57 |
| snap-l | He'll go all Jeff Foxworthy on me. "Here's your spine" | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, I might still have backdoor access to rm -rf your git repos :P | 17:58 |
| snap-l | (and don't correct me if I'm wrong on the comic. I really don't care) | 17:58 |
| brousch | isn't jeff foxworth "you might be a redneck"? | 17:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: see above | 17:58 |
| brousch | FIX IT | 17:59 |
| snap-l | NO | 17:59 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: oh yeah, you need a settings.py | 17:59 |
| jrwren | django can't run without it. | 17:59 |
| brousch | rick_h_: what module wouldn't install without config? | 17:59 |
| jrwren | and I know you aren't "running" it, but it can't do much of anthing without settings. an empty settings module might be fine | 17:59 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: any python module in the world you can import and dir(something) | 18:01 |
| brousch | right, but which one wouldn't? | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, I've just opened the django up in vim and doing pure source. | 18:01 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: that is great too. | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, except for my linting going nuts lol | 18:02 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: i was able to trick it by touching __init__.py and settings.py and starting ipython with DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=settings | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: right, I just think that's retarded as hell as a python dev | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | therefor I shall rant to the world! | 18:02 |
| jrwren | i'm not enough of a python dev to know | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | so I've been working on learning/hacking in python for coming up on 5yrs and I think this is the first time I recall ever hitting something like this | 18:04 |
| jrwren | *nod* | 18:22 |
| brousch | rick_h_: well now you're finally using enterprise-class python modules instead of those toy projects | 18:23 |
| * brousch peers to the east in anticipation of the nuclear mushroom cloud | 18:23 | |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: you ever run into guys that just hate the idea of mocking out methods/etc for tests? | 18:24 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: what are tests? :) | 18:27 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: i am a guy who hatest mocking out methods for tests. | 18:27 |
| jrwren | i really cant stand mocks. | 18:27 |
| jrwren | but i guess they are a necessarily evil. | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: so do you end up creating subclasses and things of the existing code and having hidden _fake params to classes so you can fake out parts of the code? | 18:28 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: in python? no way. | 18:34 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: inverse the dependencies and inject teh fakes | 18:34 |
| rick_h_ | I'm trying to understand this other guy in my squad. He's all about subclassing things, overwriting the method I would mock with Mock, and then using it for things | 18:35 |
| jrwren | so obviously I'm a fan of fakes when it comes to mocking :) | 18:35 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: that is a valid way to do it when you can refactor to inject. | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | but he ends up with classes that take _something where _something is only provided in tests to inject a fake object | 18:35 |
| jrwren | it is straight out of "Working Effectively With Legacy Code" | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | and I'm just wonder why not use the tools available and patch the object with somehting fake | 18:35 |
| jrwren | but if you are testing first, you would never come up with that. | 18:36 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: maybe he did too much java in the past :) | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but that's also limited to java in a lot of ways where you can't do as much direct monkey patching fakes in place | 18:36 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: exactly | 18:36 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: but you can always inverse dependencies. | 18:36 |
| Blazeix | there is something to be said for the overall pattern of dependency injection, though | 18:36 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: its why Java has the Factory Factory Factory problem. | 18:36 |
| jrwren | because you can't have virtual constructors. | 18:37 |
| Blazeix | having all your dependencies listed up front can be useful | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I need to sit down and get educated because I just look at it and it seems like so much pointless litter among the code | 18:37 |
| jrwren | Blazeix: yeah, its applicable in python for sure. | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | but when I changed it once I got asked to change it back | 18:37 |
| jrwren | hell, its straight up strategy pattern and its just that one of your strategies is for test. | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | so the guy's been doing python a long while and worked on big things like bzr/etc | 18:37 |
| Blazeix | rick_h_: is this the code you showed me? that wasn't dependency injection though, | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | so I know he's a smart guy, but obviously opinionated in this stuff | 18:37 |
| Blazeix | he was just subclassing/overriding, i thought | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: that's an exmaple, today he flat has a def __init__(self, _curl=None): | 18:38 |
| Blazeix | ah ok | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | where _curl is just there to insert a fake curl object he creates | 18:38 |
| Blazeix | right, that's a pretty popular pattern in the .NET/java world | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | right, but I don't get that in the python world so much | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | because he's doing: + if _curl is None: | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | 62+ _curl = pycurl.Curl() | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | but could just do with patched(pycurl, "Curl") as mock: ... | 18:39 |
| Blazeix | sure, the monkey patching thing is pretty awesome too. i do think inverted dependencies are more readable, though | 18:39 |
| snap-l | I'm sorry, but did anyone else see "bzr code" and immediately think "his whole argument is suspect"? | 18:41 |
| snap-l | (the rick_h_ developer partner, not rick_h_ ) | 18:42 |
| rick_h_ | heh, well I'm not fan of bzr, but the guys behind it can write some python | 18:42 |
| Blazeix | oh, i didn't catch the code sample rick_h_ pasted | 18:44 |
| Blazeix | so he's not actually gaining any loose coupling benefits | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: not that I can tell | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | but I've seen the pattern before in other code | 18:44 |
| Blazeix | ok, that is a little bit weird | 18:44 |
| jrwren | snap-l: yes, but I didn't say anything :) | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | at some point I'll have to get him a few drinks and have him explain his thoughts behind the stuff | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | he's a bit defensive/etc ootb so didn't push too hard :) | 18:46 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: oh, that is the inversion thing to which I was refering. So i'd probably do it his way too. | 18:46 |
| jrwren | but its only because its what I am familiar with. | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, I'm not trying to trash it, but I'm not seeing the immediate advantages so curious what I'm missing | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | I mean some things are just matters of taste, but even that can often have some particular bug/issue that created that taste | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | I think all of LP teams have done too much Java...I mean Python via Zope :P | 18:48 |
| Blazeix | yeah, his specific pattern doesn't seem super useful, but next CHC i can show you where it gets useful if you take it one step further | 18:48 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: cool, we'll melt shakes8081's brain with an all out testing patterns discussion :) | 18:49 |
| Blazeix | hah | 18:49 |
| shakes8081 | rick_h_: BRING IT ON!!!!! | 18:51 |
| shakes8081 | lol | 18:51 |
| brousch | DAMNIT. WHY AM I SO FAR AWAY FROM THE AWESOME? | 18:53 |
| shakes8081 | rick_h_: Does the "testing pattern discussion" incorperate what I am learning? Or is it for a much later headache? | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | shakes8081: later | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | I remember going to MichiPug meetings and they'd be talking over my head on stuff | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | but learn a lot and slowly catch up, it could be one of those if we let it | 18:55 |
| shakes8081 | Well Obe Won'Ricknobe, whatever you think is best ;) | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | hmmm, I can't decide if I like this or not... https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/forms/modelforms/#the-save-method | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | it seems strange for the form object to save the model | 18:57 |
| snap-l | If it's any consolation, I'm still design-pattern deficient | 18:57 |
| brousch | of course you don't like it. it's django | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: naw, if it was that I'd be like "WTF?! What moron decided that this was a good thing?" | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | I'm much milder...so it means I'm thinking about it still :) | 18:58 |
| brousch | can you use any of the newer form modules? | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | not currently | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | I'm assuming they'd do that part the same | 18:58 |
| brousch | i've been watching all of the old djangocon talks to pick up on stuff | 18:59 |
| shakes8081 | snap-l: we can learn together lol | 18:59 |
| jrwren | imo memorizing patterns is not useful. | 19:18 |
| brousch | jrwren: so you support the pattern memorization anti-pattern? | 19:25 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I don't want to remember the patterns, just remember the stupid terminology | 19:25 |
| snap-l | so when someone says they're using the frobozz pattern, I know what they're talking about | 19:25 |
| jrwren | ah, lik ehow i just dropped dtrategy above? | 19:31 |
| jrwren | zomg, this KB has go to go | 19:31 |
| snap-l | precisely | 19:32 |
| jrwren | if it lives up to the description, its exactly for what i've been looking. http://www.tdd-django-tutorial.com/?utm_source=Python+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=000b7d6a9b-Python_Weekly_Issue_36_May_24_2012&utm_medium=email | 19:36 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: so I peeked at that and the first stuff off the bat are selenium tests so I'm not sure it's the thing to go from | 19:36 |
| rick_h_ | but I've not gone through it all, so disclaimer away | 19:36 |
| jrwren | ugh | 19:38 |
| brousch | jrwren: that's the one i started going through | 19:38 |
| brousch | my testing skills are non-existant, so i'm hoping it will help | 19:39 |
| brousch | the biggest problem with venturing into djangoland is that so many things are not rick_h_-approved yet | 19:41 |
| nullspace | I just wanted to share this you all: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/best_birthday_prank_ever.gif | 20:06 |
| brousch | what's the vaseline for? | 20:09 |
| greg-g | worst_title_ever.gif | 20:09 |
| greg-g | fake_joke_about_butt_sex.gif | 20:09 |
| snap-l | If there was any doubt about Linode being awesome, let me assure you there is no doubt. | 20:30 |
| snap-l | save for using cold fusion for their support e-mail | 20:31 |
| greg-g | oh right, I never heard a response from Ting | 20:31 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Really? That's odd. | 20:32 |
| greg-g | not that I was notified about... /me searches | 20:32 |
| snap-l | https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ <- Handy referral link, in case anyone is interested. | 20:34 |
| greg-g | snap-l: intersting, I don't get the same message anymore, but I'm on Ubuntu now (before it was Debian) | 20:36 |
| greg-g | before I re-ping them, I'm going to confirm at home | 20:36 |
| snap-l | https://help.ting.com/entries/21421238-sprint-unlocking-phones-did-it-ever-happen | 20:38 |
| snap-l | They're definitely saying all the right things | 20:39 |
| jrwren | anyone have local colo recommendations? | 20:45 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: waveform is cheap, but ok | 20:46 |
| rick_h_ | I had one/two downtimes a year that were a bit nuts, think longest was 36 hours in several years | 20:47 |
| rick_h_ | and their support setup leaves a lot to be desired, see my current disagrement with them on closing my account | 20:47 |
| brousch | my gosh, testing is tedious | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: :) it gets easier if that helps | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | but yes, testing == coding | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | it takes time and refactoring to get right | 20:48 |
| brousch | seems like it will get more tedious | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | naw, easier | 20:49 |
| brousch | i think i need to change how i look at it or i will never do it | 20:49 |
| brousch | change it from "something all of the good coders tell me i need to do" to a sort of challenge that's fun | 20:50 |
| nullspace | if you don't test how do you know it will work | 20:50 |
| brousch | nullspace: i totally understand the rationale | 20:50 |
| brousch | believe me. i have a GB of Visual Basic in Access with no tests where i cross my fingers on every tweak | 20:51 |
| nullspace | reason #1 why I like web coding, I can test several times and it's doubful I'll break my own machine | 20:51 |
| brousch | what kind of coding would break your machine? | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | apt-get install java :P | 20:52 |
| nullspace | brousch: please never talk to me about that again, I'm going to to get the code sweats tonight because of that sentance | 20:52 |
| nullspace | rick_h_: very funny | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | I thought so :) | 20:52 |
| brousch | nullspace: sweats from the GB of Access? | 20:53 |
| nullspace | gah your talking about it | 20:53 |
| brousch | i've been curating this monstrosity for a decade | 20:53 |
| nullspace | kill it with fire already | 20:54 |
| brousch | i'm working on it ;) | 20:54 |
| brousch | i kind of like the selenium tests | 20:56 |
| brousch | littke brwoser pops up and does stuff | 20:57 |
| shakes8081 | Have a good weekened all | 21:37 |
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