JontheEchidnakde4libs 4.4.80 actually built with no changes to the packaging from 4.8.300:56
JontheEchidnaI had to check to make sure it was actually the 4.4.80 tarball :P00:57
JontheEchidnabut it is00:57
CIA-122[kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525011706-drw64ntuicunllti * debian/ (7 files) * New upstream beta release: - Update symbols files for new symbols01:17
JontheEchidna^literally all that had to be done, and it even built without the symbols file updates01:17
JontheEchidnaoh, hey. I can use this now01:42
ubottuNinja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel01:42
JontheEchidnaheh, didn't know scp had tab-complete support01:46
JontheEchidnadamn, I did this install in August 2011 and I haven't needed to install cdbs until this very moment02:22
JontheEchidnait just goes to show how much stuff has migrated to dh7 :P02:24
micahgJontheEchidna: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/dh-vs-cdbs/02:33
CIA-122[kdepimlibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525031612-dri36atf9kmgyz14 * debian/ (9 files) * New upstream beta release: - Update .install files for name changes - Update symbols files03:16
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JontheEchidnatrying to overwrite '/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs5-dev 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu0.1~ppa103:36
CIA-122[kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525034126-mrzqwfbc9wzpdm8a * debian/kdelibs5-dev.install Do not install /usr/bin/preparetips03:41
ScottKyofel_: Rejected.04:07
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yofelJontheEchidna: I think the kdelibs freeze helps too - although the works is just postponed until frameworks is done (not that I'm complaining :P)05:03
* yofel will update the dep-graph later05:04
BluesKajHi folks11:52
highvoltagehi everyone!14:07
highvoltagepairs (http://edu.kde.org/applications/preschool/pairs/) isn't in Ubuntu yet14:07
highvoltageis there a Kubuntu process I should follow or is it best filing an ITP with Debian and doing it there?14:07
ScottKhighvoltage: Is it part of KDE 4.9?14:09
ScottK(will it be)14:09
highvoltagegood questions (checking)14:09
* highvoltage asks on #kde-edu14:10
ScottKIf the answer is yes, then generally we'd package it.  You are more than welcome to help (there are a few KDE things we just don't have the time for).14:10
jtechidnayes, it's part of 4.914:10
ScottKDebian will release Wheezy with 4.8, so it'd be premature to go to Debian with it.14:11
jtechidnahttp://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas <- it's on the list here14:11
ScottKhighvoltage: ^^^14:11
highvoltageScottK: will Kubuntu also be shipping 4.8?14:11
ScottKhighvoltage: We shipped 4.8 with 12.04.  We'll be 4.9 for 12.10.14:12
yofelhighvoltage: we already have 4.8, 4.9 will be in 12.10 and will be backported to 12.0414:12
ScottKhighvoltage: I think the process for us it talk to yofel since he's been working on 4.9 stuff, IIRC.14:12
highvoltageso would that automatically come along with the rest of 4.9? (sorry I'm kind of ignorant about KDE)14:12
yofelyeah, seems simple to do, so I see no reason not to package it14:13
ScottKIf you'd like to help with creating the package, you're more than welcome to do so.14:13
yofelindeed ;)14:13
highvoltagegreat, I'll be hanging around, poke me if there's anything I could do14:13
highvoltage(I'll be a bit more proactive too, time permitting)14:14
ScottKhighvoltage: Go make the package.  Grab another, similar, kdeedu module and use it as an example.14:14
ScottKHow's that for guidance?14:14
highvoltageScottK: ok14:14
highvoltageScottK: hah! uhm, I can't come up with anything sufficiently witty at this point :)14:15
highvoltage(but yes, I'll do that)14:15
jtechidnaI won't be able to continue with 4.9 packaging until I get home from work, but I've just retried kdepimlibs.14:17
jtechidnawe can continue up the stack after that14:17
yofelI'm doing the dep graph for 4.9 right now14:17
yofel(more or less accurate as it's based on neon)14:18
highvoltagenot sure if this would be interesting for Kubuntu but I'm pasting it anyway :)14:29
ScottKhighvoltage: Do you ship marble?14:35
highvoltageScottK: yes14:37
ScottKOK.  I thought that'd be a good one.  Thanks.14:38
highvoltageyes it's great, I guess it's just not technically part of kde-edu.14:38
yofel4.9 draft up - "enjoy"14:39
yofelhighvoltage: "KLettresNo, available in Ubuntu archives"14:40
yofel!info klettres14:40
ubottuklettres (source: klettres): foreign alphabet tutor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.8.2-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 40 kB, installed size 158 kB14:40
yofelah, nvm me14:40
yofelI'm tired14:40
* highvoltage knows the feeling :)14:40
ScottKyofel: I reacted the same way when I read it, so don't feel bad.14:46
jtechidnayay, pimlibs built this time14:48
yofelas a warning: nepomuk-core had file conflicts with kdelibs when I tried to build it in neon. So that'll be a fun one14:48
jtechidnayeah, that whole situation is kind of crappy14:48
yofelanother fun thing is CMakeLists.txt from kde-runtime:14:51
yofelmacro_log_feature(NepomukCore_FOUND "Nepomuk Core" "Nepomuk Core Libraries" "https://projects.kde.org/nepomuk-core" FALSE "" "Required to build Nepomuk.")14:51
yofelsince when did nepomuk become "optional"?14:51
jtechidnaif only it actually was :P14:52
yofelyeah, optionally required I guess...14:52
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ScottKBuild time optional for runtime due to splits isn't the same thing as runtime optional to make stuff work.14:57
CIA-122[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 216 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)15:18
CIA-122* Merge with debian git, remainging changes: - keep breaks/replaces - keep15:18
CIA-122symbol files - keep kubuntu patches - dolphin suggests and not recommends ruby -15:18
ScottKmaco: Do you have time to do some pykde work on the installer this cycle?15:36
macoScottK: pm15:37
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CIA-122[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 217 * debian/ (9 files in 2 dirs) * Drop squence numbers from kubuntu patches * New upstrem beta release - refresh kubuntu_fix_systemsettings_about_me.diff - add new doc images to {konqueror,dolphin}.install16:44
afiestas_on 12.04, why is apport reporting stuff from KDE (gwenview, knetattach) applications?16:56
ScottKShouldn't be.16:59
CIA-122[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 100 * debian/changelog New upstream beta release17:01
afiestas_ScottK: should I report a bug?17:04
afiestas_apport/dr.konqui seems like a quite basic issue maybe sonmethign is wrong with my installation17:04
ScottKafiestas_: apport shpuld be disabled.  There's a config setting somewhere.17:04
afiestas_also, shouldn't this ppa offer akonadi-google ?17:04
ScottKCould be as it was working fine for me even before release.17:04
ScottKNo idea who that is.17:05
afiestas_that's "ouirs", we build testing packages in that ppa17:05
afiestas_the thing is that apparently it says akonadi-google is OK but then I can't install it via apt17:06
afiestas_ScottK: my mother's computer with no extra ppa, just udpates has the same issue with apport17:07
afiestas_at least with knetattach, maybe knetattach isn't a KDE app but Qt17:07
ScottKDunno what to tell you.17:07
ScottKQt apps should use apport if it's active.17:08
afiestas_so maybe knetattach is a QApplication and not KApplication, 17:08
* afiestas_ checks17:08
afiestas_nope, it is a KApplication17:09
ScottKafiestas_: Try this change: http://paste.debian.net/171162/ in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.17:11
afiestas_ScottK: rebooting17:13
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afiestas_ScottK: killing app's now doesn't make apport appear17:20
afiestas_ScottK: should the setting be changed on a update and or 12.04.1 ?17:25
ScottKapport should have been generally disabled (except for crash database data collection) at release.17:26
ScottKThe change I showed you kills off the database collection as well.17:26
ScottKThat may have been what you were seeing.17:26
* afiestas_ is confused17:35
afiestas_I was getting apport windows saying that gwenview and knetattach crashed (one window per app)17:35
ScottKApport does more than one thing.17:37
ScottKIn addition to bug filing, there's no a separate crash database (similar to what Mozilla has).17:37
ScottKNow that I think about it, you may be seeing the latter.17:37
afiestas_mm kinda "This app crashed in the past" right?17:39
afiestas_if so I see, Dr.konqui doesn't do that17:40
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Awesome | Merry Towel Day | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | 4.8.80 & merges: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
ScottKyofel: New -runtime tarball.17:50
ScottKTurns out we need a soprano snapshot too.17:50
yofel-runtime isn't done yet, so we're fine so far17:51
yofelruntime got moved to the top of the dep graph in fact17:52
yofelah, nepomuk-core depends got changed18:35
* yofel is back to editing dep graph18:35
claydohare 19:26
claydohare lts upgrades not enabled until 12.04.1?19:27
apacheloggerclaydoh: exactly19:28
claydohi'nn need to edit the wiki to reflect that, we may also want to note that on the website announcement19:28
apacheloggerScottK: for election 2 week nomination and 1 week cast time?19:48
apacheloggerlike last time19:49
ScottKSounds good.19:49
apacheloggerI guess we can just as well start that tomorrow19:49
ScottKYou'll need to collect email addresses for all the Kubuntu members to mail out the ballot.19:49
apacheloggersome smart member put the announcement of the election on the wiki ^^19:49
ScottKThere's some LP API way to get them, but I don't recall it.19:49
apacheloggerso just copy'n'paste19:49
apacheloggerScottK: yah, should be easy19:49
apacheloggerScottK, JontheEchidna, Darkwing: sensible objections to closing date for nominations june 9 23:59 UTC?20:02
jtechidnaapachelogger: sounds good to me20:05
ScottKapachelogger: Doesn't need to be that early to run the election, but I'm OK with it.20:16
bulldog98_ScottK: how do I do merges with debian?20:22
ScottKLook in their git repo for 4.8 and identify any packaging diff between Debian and Kubuntu.20:22
ScottKAdd their changes to our 4.8.80 packages and send them an email with changes from ours they may want to incorporate.20:23
yofelthey're not particular far with 4.8 - so if you find no 4.8 packaging either go ahead with 4.8.80 or poke eshat, he should know more about their progress20:25
bulldog98_ScottK: to which email?20:26
bulldog98_yofel: do you have a dep graph?20:27
ScottKDebian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>20:27
yofelbulldog98_: at the usual place20:27
ScottKbulldog98_: You can also discuss it with them on IRC.20:30
apacheloggerScottK: well, until then we basically have to wait, so we might as well just announce it now20:33
ScottKWe should put it on the web site.20:33
ScottKIf you email the announcement, I'll copy/paste to the web site.20:33
apacheloggeroh, what I was wondering20:41
apacheloggerah, nvm20:41
apacheloggerforgot what I was wondering ^^20:41
apacheloggerjtechidna: I don't suppose you have access to JontheEchidna right now?20:43
jtechidnaapachelogger: nein, but I shall in around an hour20:44
bulldog98_yofel: if we are at abi1 and debian is still at abi0, do we want to change that back?20:46
apacheloggerbulldog98_: no20:46
apacheloggerABI versions must not ever be decreased20:46
yofelkeep ours20:46
apacheloggerNOT EVER20:46
yofelthere's no point in merging symbols anyway20:46
yofelbulldog98_: where did you find the 4.8 package for okular?20:48
bulldog98_yofel: hm20:49
bulldog98_yofel: good point20:49
bulldog98_apachelogger: ok20:51
bulldog98_apachelogger: that’s what I thought would be the thing to do20:52
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=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Awesome | Merry Towel Day | Council Nominations Open - See http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-council-elections-2012 | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | 4.8.80 & merges: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
ScottKjussi: Would you please post the elections link in #kubuntu.  I don't have powerz to change /topic there.20:56
ScottKapachelogger: You should blog this so it hits planets too.20:56
bulldog98_yofel: do you have quantal pbuilders?21:00
yofelyes (now I'm wondering if they're properly set up)21:01
bulldog98_yofel: the ninja one is missing21:01
yofeluh, no21:01
jussiScottK: yes you do... just need to op before changing the topic. /msg chanserv op #kubuntu ScottK21:04
jussithe s/op/deop/21:04
* jussi now really sleeps21:05
apacheloggerScottK: council members are opified in kubuntu channels21:07
ScottKOnly if they know the magic commands.21:07
bulldog98_yofel: pbuilder tells me he does not know quantal21:07
ScottKWhich I do for the moment now.21:07
yofelbulldog98_: edit pbuilderrc and add quantal to known releases21:07
apacheloggerjoin the channel21:07
apacheloggerScottK: 21:07
bulldog98_yofel: hm I forgot that :( thanks21:08
ScottKI know.21:08
ScottKThanks apachelogger.21:09
apacheloggerFWIW you could just ask someone to op you from the council, chances are someone knows the command ^^21:10
ScottKjussi is always my go to guy on IRC, but you're right.21:12
bulldog98_yofel: could you create an quantal ninja pbuilder21:12
bulldog98_yofel: I’m creating one21:13
yofelbulldog98_: uh, it's already there21:13
bulldog98_yofel: ?21:14
yofel/var/cache/pbuilder/quantal-ninja-amd64-base.tgz is there21:14
bulldog98_yofel: but you forgot the folders for it21:14
yofelthose are auto-created by pbuilder when needed21:14
bulldog98_yofel: no they aren’t21:15
yofelunless you assume they are there from the beginning21:15
bulldog98_yofel: I do that21:15
yofelah, give me a minute21:15
ScottKapachelogger: First nomination is in.21:16
yofelbulldog98_: anything except the result folder?21:16
bulldog98_yofel: aptcache21:17
bulldog98_yofel: thanks21:19
apacheloggerwho is this Scott person? never heared of him21:20
ScottKbulldog98_: You need to keep better track of which channel you're in.21:25
JontheEchidnachangelogs.ubuntu.com is really behind21:54
JontheEchidna4 days, at least21:54
bulldog98_ScottK: why?22:01
ScottKbulldog98_: [17:22:17] <bulldog98_> yofel: you don’t have the gpg key in the quantal ninjas pbuilder on #debian-qt-kde.22:01
bulldog98_oh really? 22:01
ScottKYeah.  22:02
ScottKNot a big deal though.22:02
JontheEchidnaew, that ubuntu-drivers-common stuff depends on python-packagekit22:02
JontheEchidnaoh, that's not the python packagekit backend22:03
JontheEchidnaew retracted, although somewhat slightly, as it does depend on aptdaemon22:03
ScottKyofel: The last of the 4.8.3 stuff is accepted.22:22
CIA-122[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Jonathan Kolberg * 31 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release - Refresh symbol files22:25
yofelbulldog98_: we usually add beta there, so make it "New upstream beta release"22:27
bulldog98_yofel: yeah forgot that22:27
bulldog98_maybe we should teach that to kgetsource22:28
yofelwonder how though, there's no fixed version convention to keep beta/rc apart22:29
ScottKAren't betas in the .80's and rc in the .90's?22:30
yofel4.7.90 was beta2, after I complained dirk said he's basing that on 'time left until release'22:31
JontheEchidnaisn't aacid doing the release this time?22:36
DarkwingScottK: ping22:36
yofeloh right - meaning we have no idea what it's based on22:36
ScottKDarkwing: pong22:36
yofelI guess you could count the amount of different upstream versions >> .50 already the changelog, if that's at least 2 you have an rc22:37
* yofel is off to bed - good night22:59
JontheEchidnacould somebody sanity-check these new binary packages please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007320/23:22
JontheEchidnajust to get another pair of eyes on them23:22
ScottKSeems sane at a glance.   You might run the binary names by #debian-qt-kde before you upload to see if they agree on the naming scheme (saves transitional packages later for a rename).23:54

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