[00:56] Oo [00:56] kde4libs 4.4.80 actually built with no changes to the packaging from 4.8.3 [00:57] I had to check to make sure it was actually the 4.4.80 tarball :P [00:57] but it is [00:59] *4.8.80 [01:17] [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525011706-drw64ntuicunllti * debian/ (7 files) * New upstream beta release: - Update symbols files for new symbols [01:17] ^literally all that had to be done, and it even built without the symbols file updates [01:42] oh, hey. I can use this now [01:42] !ninjas [01:42] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel [01:46] heh, didn't know scp had tab-complete support [02:22] damn, I did this install in August 2011 and I haven't needed to install cdbs until this very moment [02:22] yay? [02:24] it just goes to show how much stuff has migrated to dh7 :P [02:33] JontheEchidna: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/dh-vs-cdbs/ [03:16] [kdepimlibs] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525031612-dri36atf9kmgyz14 * debian/ (9 files) * New upstream beta release: - Update .install files for name changes - Update symbols files === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Awesome | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | 4.8.80 & merges: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas [03:36] trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs5-dev 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 [03:36] oops [03:41] [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525034126-mrzqwfbc9wzpdm8a * debian/kdelibs5-dev.install Do not install /usr/bin/preparetips [04:07] yofel_: Rejected. [04:17] g'night === mkv is now known as m4v === yofel_ is now known as yofel [05:03] JontheEchidna: I think the kdelibs freeze helps too - although the works is just postponed until frameworks is done (not that I'm complaining :P) [05:04] * yofel will update the dep-graph later [11:52] Hi folks [14:07] hi everyone! [14:07] pairs (http://edu.kde.org/applications/preschool/pairs/) isn't in Ubuntu yet [14:07] is there a Kubuntu process I should follow or is it best filing an ITP with Debian and doing it there? [14:09] highvoltage: Is it part of KDE 4.9? [14:09] (will it be) [14:09] good questions (checking) [14:10] * highvoltage asks on #kde-edu [14:10] If the answer is yes, then generally we'd package it. You are more than welcome to help (there are a few KDE things we just don't have the time for). [14:10] yes, it's part of 4.9 [14:11] Debian will release Wheezy with 4.8, so it'd be premature to go to Debian with it. [14:11] http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas <- it's on the list here [14:11] highvoltage: ^^^ [14:11] ScottK: will Kubuntu also be shipping 4.8? [14:12] highvoltage: We shipped 4.8 with 12.04. We'll be 4.9 for 12.10. [14:12] highvoltage: we already have 4.8, 4.9 will be in 12.10 and will be backported to 12.04 [14:12] highvoltage: I think the process for us it talk to yofel since he's been working on 4.9 stuff, IIRC. [14:12] so would that automatically come along with the rest of 4.9? (sorry I'm kind of ignorant about KDE) [14:13] Generally. [14:13] yeah, seems simple to do, so I see no reason not to package it [14:13] If you'd like to help with creating the package, you're more than welcome to do so. [14:13] indeed ;) [14:13] great, I'll be hanging around, poke me if there's anything I could do [14:14] (I'll be a bit more proactive too, time permitting) [14:14] highvoltage: Go make the package. Grab another, similar, kdeedu module and use it as an example. [14:14] How's that for guidance? [14:14] ScottK: ok [14:15] ScottK: hah! uhm, I can't come up with anything sufficiently witty at this point :) [14:15] (but yes, I'll do that) [14:17] I won't be able to continue with 4.9 packaging until I get home from work, but I've just retried kdepimlibs. [14:17] we can continue up the stack after that [14:17] I'm doing the dep graph for 4.9 right now [14:18] (more or less accurate as it's based on neon) [14:29] not sure if this would be interesting for Kubuntu but I'm pasting it anyway :) [14:29] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2012-May/003816.html [14:35] highvoltage: Do you ship marble? [14:37] ScottK: yes [14:38] OK. I thought that'd be a good one. Thanks. [14:38] yes it's great, I guess it's just not technically part of kde-edu. [14:39] 4.9 draft up - "enjoy" [14:40] highvoltage: "KLettres No, available in Ubuntu archives" [14:40] !info klettres [14:40] klettres (source: klettres): foreign alphabet tutor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.8.2-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 40 kB, installed size 158 kB [14:40] ah, nvm me [14:40] I'm tired [14:40] * highvoltage knows the feeling :) [14:46] yofel: I reacted the same way when I read it, so don't feel bad. [14:47] ^^ [14:48] yay, pimlibs built this time [14:48] as a warning: nepomuk-core had file conflicts with kdelibs when I tried to build it in neon. So that'll be a fun one [14:48] yeah, that whole situation is kind of crappy [14:51] another fun thing is CMakeLists.txt from kde-runtime: [14:51] macro_optional_find_package(NepomukCore) [14:51] macro_log_feature(NepomukCore_FOUND "Nepomuk Core" "Nepomuk Core Libraries" "https://projects.kde.org/nepomuk-core" FALSE "" "Required to build Nepomuk.") [14:51] since when did nepomuk become "optional"? [14:52] if only it actually was :P [14:52] yeah, optionally required I guess... === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos [14:57] Build time optional for runtime due to splits isn't the same thing as runtime optional to make stuff work. [15:18] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 216 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) [15:18] * Merge with debian git, remainging changes: - keep breaks/replaces - keep [15:18] symbol files - keep kubuntu patches - dolphin suggests and not recommends ruby - [15:36] maco: Do you have time to do some pykde work on the installer this cycle? [15:37] ScottK: pm === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [16:44] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 217 * debian/ (9 files in 2 dirs) * Drop squence numbers from kubuntu patches * New upstrem beta release - refresh kubuntu_fix_systemsettings_about_me.diff - add new doc images to {konqueror,dolphin}.install [16:56] on 12.04, why is apport reporting stuff from KDE (gwenview, knetattach) applications? [16:59] Shouldn't be. [17:01] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 100 * debian/changelog New upstream beta release [17:04] ScottK: should I report a bug? [17:04] apport/dr.konqui seems like a quite basic issue maybe sonmethign is wrong with my installation [17:04] afiestas_: apport shpuld be disabled. There's a config setting somewhere. [17:04] also, shouldn't this ppa offer akonadi-google ? [17:04] Could be as it was working fine for me even before release. [17:04] https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff [17:05] No idea who that is. [17:05] that's "ouirs", we build testing packages in that ppa [17:06] the thing is that apparently it says akonadi-google is OK but then I can't install it via apt [17:07] ScottK: my mother's computer with no extra ppa, just udpates has the same issue with apport [17:07] OK. [17:07] at least with knetattach, maybe knetattach isn't a KDE app but Qt [17:07] Dunno what to tell you. [17:08] Qt apps should use apport if it's active. [17:08] so maybe knetattach is a QApplication and not KApplication, [17:08] * afiestas_ checks [17:09] nope, it is a KApplication [17:09] Odd. [17:11] afiestas_: Try this change: http://paste.debian.net/171162/ in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf. [17:13] ScottK: rebooting === allison is now known as wendar === wendar is now known as allison === allison is now known as wendar [17:20] ScottK: killing app's now doesn't make apport appear [17:25] ScottK: should the setting be changed on a update and or 12.04.1 ? [17:26] apport should have been generally disabled (except for crash database data collection) at release. [17:26] The change I showed you kills off the database collection as well. [17:26] That may have been what you were seeing. [17:35] * afiestas_ is confused [17:35] I was getting apport windows saying that gwenview and knetattach crashed (one window per app) [17:37] Apport does more than one thing. [17:37] In addition to bug filing, there's no a separate crash database (similar to what Mozilla has). [17:37] Now that I think about it, you may be seeing the latter. [17:39] mm kinda "This app crashed in the past" right? [17:40] if so I see, Dr.konqui doesn't do that === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Awesome | Merry Towel Day | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | 4.8.80 & merges: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas [17:50] yofel: New -runtime tarball. [17:50] Turns out we need a soprano snapshot too. [17:51] -runtime isn't done yet, so we're fine so far [17:52] runtime got moved to the top of the dep graph in fact [18:04] lovely [18:35] ah, nepomuk-core depends got changed [18:35] * yofel is back to editing dep graph [19:26] are [19:27] are lts upgrades not enabled until 12.04.1? [19:28] claydoh: exactly [19:28] i'nn need to edit the wiki to reflect that, we may also want to note that on the website announcement [19:48] ScottK: for election 2 week nomination and 1 week cast time? [19:49] like last time [19:49] Sounds good. [19:49] I guess we can just as well start that tomorrow [19:49] You'll need to collect email addresses for all the Kubuntu members to mail out the ballot. [19:49] some smart member put the announcement of the election on the wiki ^^ [19:49] There's some LP API way to get them, but I don't recall it. [19:49] so just copy'n'paste [19:49] ScottK: yah, should be easy [19:50] Nice. [20:02] ScottK, JontheEchidna, Darkwing: sensible objections to closing date for nominations june 9 23:59 UTC? [20:05] apachelogger: sounds good to me [20:16] apachelogger: Doesn't need to be that early to run the election, but I'm OK with it. [20:22] ScottK: how do I do merges with debian? [20:22] Look in their git repo for 4.8 and identify any packaging diff between Debian and Kubuntu. [20:23] Add their changes to our 4.8.80 packages and send them an email with changes from ours they may want to incorporate. [20:25] they're not particular far with 4.8 - so if you find no 4.8 packaging either go ahead with 4.8.80 or poke eshat, he should know more about their progress [20:26] ScottK: to which email? [20:27] yofel: do you have a dep graph? [20:27] Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers [20:27] bulldog98_: at the usual place [20:30] bulldog98_: You can also discuss it with them on IRC. [20:33] ScottK: well, until then we basically have to wait, so we might as well just announce it now [20:33] Certainly. [20:33] We should put it on the web site. [20:33] If you email the announcement, I'll copy/paste to the web site. [20:41] oh, what I was wondering [20:41] ah, nvm [20:41] forgot what I was wondering ^^ [20:43] jtechidna: I don't suppose you have access to JontheEchidna right now? [20:44] apachelogger: nein, but I shall in around an hour [20:46] yofel: if we are at abi1 and debian is still at abi0, do we want to change that back? [20:46] bulldog98_: no [20:46] ABI versions must not ever be decreased [20:46] keep ours [20:46] NOT EVER [20:46] there's no point in merging symbols anyway [20:48] bulldog98_: where did you find the 4.8 package for okular? [20:49] yofel: hm [20:49] yofel: good point [20:51] apachelogger: ok [20:52] apachelogger: that’s what I thought would be the thing to do === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Awesome | Merry Towel Day | Council Nominations Open - See ML | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | 4.8.80 & merges: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Awesome | Merry Towel Day | Council Nominations Open - See http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-council-elections-2012 | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | 4.8.80 & merges: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas [20:56] jussi: Would you please post the elections link in #kubuntu. I don't have powerz to change /topic there. [20:56] apachelogger: You should blog this so it hits planets too. [20:58] blogzzz [21:00] yofel: do you have quantal pbuilders? [21:01] yes (now I'm wondering if they're properly set up) [21:01] yofel: the ninja one is missing [21:01] uh, no [21:01] quantal-ninja-amd64-base.tgz [21:04] ScottK: yes you do... just need to op before changing the topic. /msg chanserv op #kubuntu ScottK [21:04] the s/op/deop/ [21:05] then* [21:05] * jussi now really sleeps [21:07] ScottK: council members are opified in kubuntu channels [21:07] Only if they know the magic commands. [21:07] yofel: pbuilder tells me he does not know quantal [21:07] Which I do for the moment now. [21:07] bulldog98_: edit pbuilderrc and add quantal to known releases [21:07] join the channel [21:07] ScottK: [21:08] yofel: hm I forgot that :( thanks [21:08] I know. [21:09] Thanks apachelogger. [21:10] FWIW you could just ask someone to op you from the council, chances are someone knows the command ^^ [21:12] OK. [21:12] jussi is always my go to guy on IRC, but you're right. [21:12] yofel: could you create an quantal ninja pbuilder [21:13] yofel: I’m creating one [21:13] bulldog98_: uh, it's already there [21:14] yofel: ? [21:14] /var/cache/pbuilder/quantal-ninja-amd64-base.tgz is there [21:14] yofel: but you forgot the folders for it [21:14] those are auto-created by pbuilder when needed [21:15] yofel: no they aren’t [21:15] unless you assume they are there from the beginning [21:15] yofel: I do that [21:15] ah, give me a minute [21:16] apachelogger: First nomination is in. [21:16] bulldog98_: anything except the result folder? [21:17] yofel: aptcache [21:17] done [21:19] yofel: thanks [21:20] who is this Scott person? never heared of him [21:21] ;-) [21:25] bulldog98_: You need to keep better track of which channel you're in. [21:26] yeah [21:54] changelogs.ubuntu.com is really behind [21:54] 4 days, at least [22:01] ScottK: why? [22:01] bulldog98_: [17:22:17] yofel: you don’t have the gpg key in the quantal ninjas pbuilder on #debian-qt-kde. [22:01] oh really? [22:02] oops [22:02] Yeah. [22:02] Not a big deal though. [22:02] ew, that ubuntu-drivers-common stuff depends on python-packagekit [22:03] oh, that's not the python packagekit backend [22:03] ew retracted, although somewhat slightly, as it does depend on aptdaemon [22:03] :s [22:22] yofel: The last of the 4.8.3 stuff is accepted. [22:25] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Jonathan Kolberg * 31 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release - Refresh symbol files [22:27] bulldog98_: we usually add beta there, so make it "New upstream beta release" [22:27] yofel: yeah forgot that [22:28] :) [22:28] maybe we should teach that to kgetsource [22:29] wonder how though, there's no fixed version convention to keep beta/rc apart [22:30] Aren't betas in the .80's and rc in the .90's? [22:31] 4.7.90 was beta2, after I complained dirk said he's basing that on 'time left until release' [22:32] Oh. [22:35] hm [22:36] isn't aacid doing the release this time? [22:36] ScottK: ping [22:36] oh right - meaning we have no idea what it's based on [22:36] Darkwing: pong [22:37] I guess you could count the amount of different upstream versions >> .50 already the changelog, if that's at least 2 you have an rc [22:59] * yofel is off to bed - good night [23:22] could somebody sanity-check these new binary packages please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007320/ [23:22] just to get another pair of eyes on them [23:54] Seems sane at a glance. You might run the binary names by #debian-qt-kde before you upload to see if they agree on the naming scheme (saves transitional packages later for a rename).