[00:56] <JontheEchidna> Oo
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> kde4libs 4.4.80 actually built with no changes to the packaging from 4.8.3
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> I had to check to make sure it was actually the 4.4.80 tarball :P
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> but it is
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> *4.8.80
[01:17] <CIA-122> [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525011706-drw64ntuicunllti * debian/ (7 files) * New upstream beta release: - Update symbols files for new symbols
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> ^literally all that had to be done, and it even built without the symbols file updates
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, hey. I can use this now
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> !ninjas
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> heh, didn't know scp had tab-complete support
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> damn, I did this install in August 2011 and I haven't needed to install cdbs until this very moment
[02:22] <jjesse> yay?
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> it just goes to show how much stuff has migrated to dh7 :P
[02:33] <micahg> JontheEchidna: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/dh-vs-cdbs/
[03:16] <CIA-122> [kdepimlibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525031612-dri36atf9kmgyz14 * debian/ (9 files) * New upstream beta release: - Update .install files for name changes - Update symbols files
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs5-dev 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> oops
[03:41] <CIA-122> [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120525034126-mrzqwfbc9wzpdm8a * debian/kdelibs5-dev.install Do not install /usr/bin/preparetips
[04:07] <ScottK> yofel_: Rejected.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[05:03] <yofel> JontheEchidna: I think the kdelibs freeze helps too - although the works is just postponed until frameworks is done (not that I'm complaining :P)
[05:04]  * yofel will update the dep-graph later
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:07] <highvoltage> hi everyone!
[14:07] <highvoltage> pairs (http://edu.kde.org/applications/preschool/pairs/) isn't in Ubuntu yet
[14:07] <highvoltage> is there a Kubuntu process I should follow or is it best filing an ITP with Debian and doing it there?
[14:09] <ScottK> highvoltage: Is it part of KDE 4.9?
[14:09] <ScottK> (will it be)
[14:09] <highvoltage> good questions (checking)
[14:10]  * highvoltage asks on #kde-edu
[14:10] <ScottK> If the answer is yes, then generally we'd package it.  You are more than welcome to help (there are a few KDE things we just don't have the time for).
[14:10] <jtechidna> yes, it's part of 4.9
[14:11] <ScottK> Debian will release Wheezy with 4.8, so it'd be premature to go to Debian with it.
[14:11] <jtechidna> http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas <- it's on the list here
[14:11] <ScottK> highvoltage: ^^^
[14:11] <highvoltage> ScottK: will Kubuntu also be shipping 4.8?
[14:12] <ScottK> highvoltage: We shipped 4.8 with 12.04.  We'll be 4.9 for 12.10.
[14:12] <yofel> highvoltage: we already have 4.8, 4.9 will be in 12.10 and will be backported to 12.04
[14:12] <ScottK> highvoltage: I think the process for us it talk to yofel since he's been working on 4.9 stuff, IIRC.
[14:12] <highvoltage> so would that automatically come along with the rest of 4.9? (sorry I'm kind of ignorant about KDE)
[14:13] <ScottK> Generally.
[14:13] <yofel> yeah, seems simple to do, so I see no reason not to package it
[14:13] <ScottK> If you'd like to help with creating the package, you're more than welcome to do so.
[14:13] <yofel> indeed ;)
[14:13] <highvoltage> great, I'll be hanging around, poke me if there's anything I could do
[14:14] <highvoltage> (I'll be a bit more proactive too, time permitting)
[14:14] <ScottK> highvoltage: Go make the package.  Grab another, similar, kdeedu module and use it as an example.
[14:14] <ScottK> How's that for guidance?
[14:14] <highvoltage> ScottK: ok
[14:15] <highvoltage> ScottK: hah! uhm, I can't come up with anything sufficiently witty at this point :)
[14:15] <highvoltage> (but yes, I'll do that)
[14:17] <jtechidna> I won't be able to continue with 4.9 packaging until I get home from work, but I've just retried kdepimlibs.
[14:17] <jtechidna> we can continue up the stack after that
[14:17] <yofel> I'm doing the dep graph for 4.9 right now
[14:18] <yofel> (more or less accurate as it's based on neon)
[14:29] <highvoltage> not sure if this would be interesting for Kubuntu but I'm pasting it anyway :)
[14:29] <highvoltage> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2012-May/003816.html
[14:35] <ScottK> highvoltage: Do you ship marble?
[14:37] <highvoltage> ScottK: yes
[14:38] <ScottK> OK.  I thought that'd be a good one.  Thanks.
[14:38] <highvoltage> yes it's great, I guess it's just not technically part of kde-edu.
[14:39] <yofel> 4.9 draft up - "enjoy"
[14:40] <yofel> highvoltage: "KLettres	No, available in Ubuntu archives"
[14:40] <yofel> !info klettres
[14:40] <yofel> ah, nvm me
[14:40] <yofel> I'm tired
[14:40]  * highvoltage knows the feeling :)
[14:46] <ScottK> yofel: I reacted the same way when I read it, so don't feel bad.
[14:47] <yofel> ^^
[14:48] <jtechidna> yay, pimlibs built this time
[14:48] <yofel> as a warning: nepomuk-core had file conflicts with kdelibs when I tried to build it in neon. So that'll be a fun one
[14:48] <jtechidna> yeah, that whole situation is kind of crappy
[14:51] <yofel> another fun thing is CMakeLists.txt from kde-runtime:
[14:51] <yofel> macro_optional_find_package(NepomukCore)
[14:51] <yofel> macro_log_feature(NepomukCore_FOUND "Nepomuk Core" "Nepomuk Core Libraries" "https://projects.kde.org/nepomuk-core" FALSE "" "Required to build Nepomuk.")
[14:51] <yofel> since when did nepomuk become "optional"?
[14:52] <jtechidna> if only it actually was :P
[14:52] <yofel> yeah, optionally required I guess...
[14:57] <ScottK> Build time optional for runtime due to splits isn't the same thing as runtime optional to make stuff work.
[15:18] <CIA-122> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 216 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[15:18] <CIA-122> * Merge with debian git, remainging changes: - keep breaks/replaces - keep
[15:18] <CIA-122> symbol files - keep kubuntu patches - dolphin suggests and not recommends ruby -
[15:36] <ScottK> maco: Do you have time to do some pykde work on the installer this cycle?
[15:37] <maco> ScottK: pm
[16:44] <CIA-122> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 217 * debian/ (9 files in 2 dirs) * Drop squence numbers from kubuntu patches * New upstrem beta release - refresh kubuntu_fix_systemsettings_about_me.diff - add new doc images to {konqueror,dolphin}.install
[16:56] <afiestas_> on 12.04, why is apport reporting stuff from KDE (gwenview, knetattach) applications?
[16:59] <ScottK> Shouldn't be.
[17:01] <CIA-122> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 100 * debian/changelog New upstream beta release
[17:04] <afiestas_> ScottK: should I report a bug?
[17:04] <afiestas_> apport/dr.konqui seems like a quite basic issue maybe sonmethign is wrong with my installation
[17:04] <ScottK> afiestas_: apport shpuld be disabled.  There's a config setting somewhere.
[17:04] <afiestas_> also, shouldn't this ppa offer akonadi-google ?
[17:04] <ScottK> Could be as it was working fine for me even before release.
[17:04] <afiestas_> https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff
[17:05] <ScottK> No idea who that is.
[17:05] <afiestas_> that's "ouirs", we build testing packages in that ppa
[17:06] <afiestas_> the thing is that apparently it says akonadi-google is OK but then I can't install it via apt
[17:07] <afiestas_> ScottK: my mother's computer with no extra ppa, just udpates has the same issue with apport
[17:07] <ScottK> OK.
[17:07] <afiestas_> at least with knetattach, maybe knetattach isn't a KDE app but Qt
[17:07] <ScottK> Dunno what to tell you.
[17:08] <ScottK> Qt apps should use apport if it's active.
[17:08] <afiestas_> so maybe knetattach is a QApplication and not KApplication, 
[17:08]  * afiestas_ checks
[17:09] <afiestas_> nope, it is a KApplication
[17:09] <ScottK> Odd.
[17:11] <ScottK> afiestas_: Try this change: http://paste.debian.net/171162/ in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.
[17:13] <afiestas_> ScottK: rebooting
[17:20] <afiestas_> ScottK: killing app's now doesn't make apport appear
[17:25] <afiestas_> ScottK: should the setting be changed on a update and or 12.04.1 ?
[17:26] <ScottK> apport should have been generally disabled (except for crash database data collection) at release.
[17:26] <ScottK> The change I showed you kills off the database collection as well.
[17:26] <ScottK> That may have been what you were seeing.
[17:35]  * afiestas_ is confused
[17:35] <afiestas_> I was getting apport windows saying that gwenview and knetattach crashed (one window per app)
[17:37] <ScottK> Apport does more than one thing.
[17:37] <ScottK> In addition to bug filing, there's no a separate crash database (similar to what Mozilla has).
[17:37] <ScottK> Now that I think about it, you may be seeing the latter.
[17:39] <afiestas_> mm kinda "This app crashed in the past" right?
[17:40] <afiestas_> if so I see, Dr.konqui doesn't do that
[17:50] <ScottK> yofel: New -runtime tarball.
[17:50] <ScottK> Turns out we need a soprano snapshot too.
[17:51] <yofel> -runtime isn't done yet, so we're fine so far
[17:52] <yofel> runtime got moved to the top of the dep graph in fact
[18:04] <ScottK> lovely
[18:35] <yofel> ah, nepomuk-core depends got changed
[18:35]  * yofel is back to editing dep graph
[19:26] <claydoh> are 
[19:27] <claydoh> are lts upgrades not enabled until 12.04.1?
[19:28] <apachelogger> claydoh: exactly
[19:28] <claydoh> i'nn need to edit the wiki to reflect that, we may also want to note that on the website announcement
[19:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: for election 2 week nomination and 1 week cast time?
[19:49] <apachelogger> like last time
[19:49] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[19:49] <apachelogger> I guess we can just as well start that tomorrow
[19:49] <ScottK> You'll need to collect email addresses for all the Kubuntu members to mail out the ballot.
[19:49] <apachelogger> some smart member put the announcement of the election on the wiki ^^
[19:49] <ScottK> There's some LP API way to get them, but I don't recall it.
[19:49] <apachelogger> so just copy'n'paste
[19:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: yah, should be easy
[19:50] <ScottK> Nice.
[20:02] <apachelogger> ScottK, JontheEchidna, Darkwing: sensible objections to closing date for nominations june 9 23:59 UTC?
[20:05] <jtechidna> apachelogger: sounds good to me
[20:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Doesn't need to be that early to run the election, but I'm OK with it.
[20:22] <bulldog98_> ScottK: how do I do merges with debian?
[20:22] <ScottK> Look in their git repo for 4.8 and identify any packaging diff between Debian and Kubuntu.
[20:23] <ScottK> Add their changes to our 4.8.80 packages and send them an email with changes from ours they may want to incorporate.
[20:25] <yofel> they're not particular far with 4.8 - so if you find no 4.8 packaging either go ahead with 4.8.80 or poke eshat, he should know more about their progress
[20:26] <bulldog98_> ScottK: to which email?
[20:27] <bulldog98_> yofel: do you have a dep graph?
[20:27] <ScottK> Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
[20:27] <yofel> bulldog98_: at the usual place
[20:30] <ScottK> bulldog98_: You can also discuss it with them on IRC.
[20:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, until then we basically have to wait, so we might as well just announce it now
[20:33] <ScottK> Certainly.
[20:33] <ScottK> We should put it on the web site.
[20:33] <ScottK> If you email the announcement, I'll copy/paste to the web site.
[20:41] <apachelogger> oh, what I was wondering
[20:41] <apachelogger> ah, nvm
[20:41] <apachelogger> forgot what I was wondering ^^
[20:43] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I don't suppose you have access to JontheEchidna right now?
[20:44] <jtechidna> apachelogger: nein, but I shall in around an hour
[20:46] <bulldog98_> yofel: if we are at abi1 and debian is still at abi0, do we want to change that back?
[20:46] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: no
[20:46] <apachelogger> ABI versions must not ever be decreased
[20:46] <yofel> keep ours
[20:46] <apachelogger> NOT EVER
[20:46] <yofel> there's no point in merging symbols anyway
[20:48] <yofel> bulldog98_: where did you find the 4.8 package for okular?
[20:49] <bulldog98_> yofel: hm
[20:49] <bulldog98_> yofel: good point
[20:51] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: ok
[20:52] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: that’s what I thought would be the thing to do
[20:56] <ScottK> jussi: Would you please post the elections link in #kubuntu.  I don't have powerz to change /topic there.
[20:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should blog this so it hits planets too.
[20:58] <apachelogger> blogzzz
[21:00] <bulldog98_> yofel: do you have quantal pbuilders?
[21:01] <yofel> yes (now I'm wondering if they're properly set up)
[21:01] <bulldog98_> yofel: the ninja one is missing
[21:01] <yofel> uh, no
[21:01] <yofel> quantal-ninja-amd64-base.tgz
[21:04] <jussi> ScottK: yes you do... just need to op before changing the topic. /msg chanserv op #kubuntu ScottK
[21:04] <jussi> the s/op/deop/
[21:05] <jussi> then*
[21:05]  * jussi now really sleeps
[21:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: council members are opified in kubuntu channels
[21:07] <ScottK> Only if they know the magic commands.
[21:07] <bulldog98_> yofel: pbuilder tells me he does not know quantal
[21:07] <ScottK> Which I do for the moment now.
[21:07] <yofel> bulldog98_: edit pbuilderrc and add quantal to known releases
[21:07] <apachelogger> join the channel
[21:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: 
[21:08] <bulldog98_> yofel: hm I forgot that :( thanks
[21:08] <ScottK> I know.
[21:09] <ScottK> Thanks apachelogger.
[21:10] <apachelogger> FWIW you could just ask someone to op you from the council, chances are someone knows the command ^^
[21:12] <ScottK> OK.
[21:12] <ScottK> jussi is always my go to guy on IRC, but you're right.
[21:12] <bulldog98_> yofel: could you create an quantal ninja pbuilder
[21:13] <bulldog98_> yofel: I’m creating one
[21:13] <yofel> bulldog98_: uh, it's already there
[21:14] <bulldog98_> yofel: ?
[21:14] <yofel> /var/cache/pbuilder/quantal-ninja-amd64-base.tgz is there
[21:14] <bulldog98_> yofel: but you forgot the folders for it
[21:14] <yofel> those are auto-created by pbuilder when needed
[21:15] <bulldog98_> yofel: no they aren’t
[21:15] <yofel> unless you assume they are there from the beginning
[21:15] <bulldog98_> yofel: I do that
[21:15] <yofel> ah, give me a minute
[21:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: First nomination is in.
[21:16] <yofel> bulldog98_: anything except the result folder?
[21:17] <bulldog98_> yofel: aptcache
[21:17] <yofel> done
[21:19] <bulldog98_> yofel: thanks
[21:20] <apachelogger> who is this Scott person? never heared of him
[21:21] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:25] <ScottK> bulldog98_: You need to keep better track of which channel you're in.
[21:26] <yofel> yeah
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> changelogs.ubuntu.com is really behind
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> 4 days, at least
[22:01] <bulldog98_> ScottK: why?
[22:01] <ScottK> bulldog98_: [17:22:17] <bulldog98_> yofel: you don’t have the gpg key in the quantal ninjas pbuilder on #debian-qt-kde.
[22:01] <bulldog98_> oh really? 
[22:02] <bulldog98_> oops
[22:02] <ScottK> Yeah.  
[22:02] <ScottK> Not a big deal though.
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> ew, that ubuntu-drivers-common stuff depends on python-packagekit
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's not the python packagekit backend
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> ew retracted, although somewhat slightly, as it does depend on aptdaemon
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> :s
[22:22] <ScottK> yofel: The last of the 4.8.3 stuff is accepted.
[22:25] <CIA-122> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Jonathan Kolberg * 31 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release - Refresh symbol files
[22:27] <yofel> bulldog98_: we usually add beta there, so make it "New upstream beta release"
[22:27] <bulldog98_> yofel: yeah forgot that
[22:28] <yofel> :)
[22:28] <bulldog98_> maybe we should teach that to kgetsource
[22:29] <yofel> wonder how though, there's no fixed version convention to keep beta/rc apart
[22:30] <ScottK> Aren't betas in the .80's and rc in the .90's?
[22:31] <yofel> 4.7.90 was beta2, after I complained dirk said he's basing that on 'time left until release'
[22:32] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:35] <bulldog98_> hm
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> isn't aacid doing the release this time?
[22:36] <Darkwing> ScottK: ping
[22:36] <yofel> oh right - meaning we have no idea what it's based on
[22:36] <ScottK> Darkwing: pong
[22:37] <yofel> I guess you could count the amount of different upstream versions >> .50 already the changelog, if that's at least 2 you have an rc
[22:59]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> could somebody sanity-check these new binary packages please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007320/
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> just to get another pair of eyes on them
[23:54] <ScottK> Seems sane at a glance.   You might run the binary names by #debian-qt-kde before you upload to see if they agree on the naming scheme (saves transitional packages later for a rename).