| twobottux | auappdev: Is it possible to add to Ubuntu Software Center *.jar? <http://askubuntu.com/questions/141939/is-it-possible-to-add-to-ubuntu-software-center-jar> | 04:21 |
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| twobottux | auappdev: How do I submit .jar file to the ubuntu software center <http://askubuntu.com/questions/141939/how-do-i-submit-jar-file-to-the-ubuntu-software-center> | 05:40 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:49 |
| twobottux | auappdev: How to use gettext to make QML files translatable <http://askubuntu.com/questions/142012/how-to-use-gettext-to-make-qml-files-translatable> | 09:45 |
| === allison is now known as wendar | ||
| wendar | mterry: sorry, wasn't on earlier. In general, if it can go in /opt, it should. | 17:17 |
| === wendar is now known as allison | ||
| === allison is now known as wendar | ||
| mterry | wendar, yar, I figured a way for it to go in opt. Thanks! | 17:18 |
| wendar | mterry: cool. If you get a second, add a brief note on how you got it to work for /opt to the wiki documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/InstallPathTips | 17:19 |
| mterry | wendar, the "Tips for python apps" link there is dead | 17:22 |
| wendar | mterry: I noticed that, checking if the link is just wrong | 17:22 |
| wendar | mterry: it looks like I never added the file, just added it now | 17:42 |
| mterry | wendar, I've got a big branch getting ready for SRU to fix extras support in quickly. I was dismayed to see how broken it was! I've added a bunch of tests to help make sure we don't do that again | 17:43 |
| mterry | wendar, we're generating metadata like "XB-Screenshot-Url: https://software-center.ubuntu.com/screenshots/t/testapp-quantal.png | 17:58 |
| mterry | XB-Thumbnail-Url: https://software-center.ubuntu.com/screenshots/t/testapp-quantal.thumb.png" Is that still correct? | 17:58 |
| wendar | mterry: that can all disappear now | 17:58 |
| mterry | wendar, oh really? XB-AppName, XB-Icon, all that? | 17:59 |
| wendar | mterry: they've made some changes in MyApps, so Software Center can now pull that data from the MyApps submission | 17:59 |
| wendar | mterry: no need to add it to the package files | 17:59 |
| mterry | wendar, OK. You also recommend things like Standards 3.9.2, debian/source/format, and dropping cdbs. How much do you really care about that? (like is format 1.0 a blocker, is cdbs depends but not being used a blocker) | 18:00 |
| wendar | mterry: the debian/rules file has been simplified too, so it no longer needs ('icons', glob.glob('icons/*.png')), | 18:00 |
| wendar | mterry: er, that's no longer needs override_dh_gencontrol | 18:01 |
| mterry | wendar, you mean the "dpkg-distaddfile testapp.svg raw-meta-data -" bit? | 18:01 |
| wendar | mterry: we'll rip out cdbs if it comes through, and will update the standards version to the recommended version for the distro release | 18:02 |
| wendar | mterry: (IIRC, that is 3.9.2 for Oneiric) | 18:02 |
| wendar | mterry: yes, the raw-meta-data bit | 18:02 |
| wendar | mterry: not needed anymore | 18:02 |
| mterry | wendar, ok, can drop that too | 18:02 |
| wendar | mterry: if you're using the simple dh template recommended on the ARB wiki pages, it doesn't use cdbs anyway | 18:03 |
| wendar | mterry: so the dependency is unnecessary | 18:03 |
| mterry | wendar, agreed, it's just that those nits I described come from a separate package. So if we really wanted to get rid of them, I'd have to add code to quickly to change them | 18:05 |
| wendar | mterry: which nits? We're fine on manual package generation now, either with dh_make, or dumping simple template files. | 18:06 |
| wendar | mterry: doesn't seem like we need to edit any other packages to get it working. | 18:06 |
| wendar | mterry: just change how quickly spits out the package templates | 18:07 |
| mterry | wendar, quickly uses python-mkdebian from python-distutils-extra to generate its debian/* files | 18:07 |
| wendar | mterry: long-term, we can get around that by using pkgme instead | 18:08 |
| mterry | wendar, agreed. But my concern right now is 12.04 | 18:08 |
| wendar | mterry: but, for the moment, can you just skip python-mkdebian for ARB packages | 18:08 |
| wendar | mterry: use static templates | 18:08 |
| wendar | mterry: the ARB python packages are my definition *very* simple | 18:09 |
| wendar | "by definition" | 18:09 |
| wendar | they don't need to detect a lot of complex options | 18:09 |
| mterry | wendar, um... they are if the developer has changed their actual code to support only ARB style. To support normal style as well as ARB, let me show you the current debian/rules I'm using in my extras branch | 18:10 |
| mterry | wendar, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006807/ | 18:10 |
| mterry | Not that simple | 18:10 |
| wendar | mterry: taking a look | 18:13 |
| wendar | mterry: ugh, yeah, override_dh_install is pretty terrible | 18:14 |
| wendar | mterry: why is it so complex? --prefix should take care of it all | 18:14 |
| wendar | mterry: that's python's way of changing the path on everything | 18:14 |
| wendar | mterry: maybe the Quickly setup.py script needs to be modified to respect --prefix? | 18:15 |
| mterry | wendar, we have to edit the desktop file, we have to compile the schemas manually because the normal trigger doesn't fire, we have to point to a special XDG_DATA_DIRS so GNOME picks up the write schemas and help files, etc | 18:15 |
| mterry | We want to fix the gettext usage to point to our translations... | 18:16 |
| wendar | mterry: that could all go in setup.py | 18:16 |
| mterry | Sure, if you have an ARB-only app. But that's not how quickly is constructed currently. Certainly not for 12.04. | 18:17 |
| mterry | wendar, the decision of whether to build for ARB is made at debian package time | 18:17 |
| wendar | mterry: right, by passing the --prefix option to setup.py | 18:17 |
| mterry | wendar, again, none of the things I mentioned above are fixed by --prefix | 18:18 |
| wendar | mterry: but they *could* be, if setup.py handled the --prefix option appropriately | 18:18 |
| mterry | (unless I'm horribly wrong about that -- I don't believe that changes where gettext points and such) | 18:18 |
| wendar | mterry: the changes aren't specific to ARB, they'd have to be made for any installation on a different path | 18:19 |
| wendar | mterry: if, for example, a user wanted to install the package in /home/me/my/custom/path... | 18:19 |
| mterry | wendar, ah, I certainly agree. But I think you are discussing this with a view to the future. I'm discussing this with a view to fixing 12.04 to make quickly rock for ARB | 18:20 |
| wendar | mterry: I added some more details to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/PythonTips, with links to the python documentation | 18:20 |
| wendar | mterry: well, we don't want to review all that stuff in override_dh_install | 18:21 |
| wendar | mterry: if it was anything other than a Quickly package, we'd probably reject it if they needed that many install hacks in debian/rules | 18:21 |
| mterry | wendar, guh, hmm | 18:21 |
| wendar | mterry: but, if we need a "pass" for Quickly in 12.04, that's okay | 18:21 |
| wendar | mterry: we'll aim to make it rock even more in 12.10 :) | 18:22 |
| wendar | mterry: my advice, aim for a setup.py that's no more complex than the example on the PythonTips wiki page | 18:22 |
| wendar | mterry: arbitrary code in setup.py is a big "Red Flag" for python modules | 18:23 |
| wendar | mterry: (that's for 12.10) | 18:23 |
| wendar | mterry: oh... you know, we made some changes to some older Quickly submissions and didn't need all that... let me look for the diffs... | 18:26 |
| mterry | wendar, I think that simple of a setup.py is unrealistic. You'll probably need to at least also edit fields in the desktop file and compile the schema. But I agree that the simpler the better | 18:26 |
| mterry | wendar, but for 12.04. So far the code I have generates that awful debian/rules file and also does not hit the following recommendations you have on your QuicklyTips page: cdbs depend, standards version, debian/source/format, and older format for debian/copyright. Without those fixes, is this all even saving you any effort? | 18:29 |
| wendar | mterry: it looks like --prefix does work | 18:30 |
| wendar | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~allison/+junk/opensinhalease-precise/revision/2 | 18:30 |
| mterry | wendar, sorry, what do you mean by work? I'm not arguing that --prefix isn't helpful, just that it doesn't do all the things you need it to, so you'll need special setup.py logic regardless | 18:31 |
| wendar | mterry: as in, setting --prefix gets Quickly to install everything under /opt | 18:32 |
| mterry | wendar, sure, agreed. But things won't actually work when you run them | 18:32 |
| wendar | mterry: and then it only needs specific code to convince it to move the .desktop file out of /opt | 18:32 |
| wendar | mterry: yes, there were a couple places in the code where it needed to check if the filepath was /opt | 18:33 |
| wendar | mterry: but, it could do that and work for both /opt installation and normal installation | 18:33 |
| mterry | wendar, in addition to code changes to support arbitrary prefixes (like gettext, xdg_data_dirs, media file lookups), you will need to edit the desktop file and compile the schemas. Those are not code changes, so will have to live in setup.py | 18:34 |
| wendar | setup.py is already editing the .desktop file, setting it by --prefix | 18:34 |
| mterry | wendar, in a quickly package? Yes (though it doesn't adjust Exec in 12.04, which is a problem) But not in your ideal PythonTips page, which is what I was warning about. Just that such a simple setup.py is unrealistic. You'll need desktop editing code and schema compilation code | 18:36 |
| wendar | mterry: ah, I get you now | 18:36 |
| wendar | mterry: yes, there is some additional work required in setup.py | 18:37 |
| wendar | (for quickly) | 18:37 |
| wendar | mterry: I don't want to make this stressfull :) Make whatever hacks you need to make in debian/rules for 12.04, and aim to push them into setup.py for 12.10 | 18:37 |
| mterry | wendar, well, for any app not only targetted at ARB. Obviously if they only target ARB, they can take all sorts of shortcuts | 18:37 |
| wendar | mterry: and, yes, *any* changes you can make to Quickly so the generated packages require less manual editing is a big help | 18:38 |
| wendar | mterry: if we can get it to "no manual edits required" that would be awesome, but even just getting closer would help | 18:38 |
| wendar | mterry: the example you sent, with the lengthy override_dh_install, should be fine | 18:39 |
| wendar | mterry: it looks like it'll get the packages to the point where they aren't breaking any ARB policy | 18:39 |
| mterry | wendar, except for packaging nits, yeah | 18:40 |
| mterry | wendar, OK, will settle where I am for 12.04 then, get it reviewed and landed on trunk, then SRU'd | 18:40 |
| wendar | mterry: yup, that's good | 18:40 |
| mterry | wendar, thanks for your time! Hopefully quickly will actually be useful for ya'll again | 18:41 |
| wendar | mterry: thanks much for working on quickly! | 18:41 |
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