[00:38] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ping
[00:38] <cjohnston> uggh.. i guess he proabbly isnt up... my time is so screwed up
[00:46] <bkerensa> weeee
[00:53] <cjohnston> I'm good with the fact that home is 12 hours different.. try to figure out UTC or anything else though, not happenin
[04:55] <bkerensa> you have defeated the hobgoblin
[06:37] <AlanBell> cjohnston: I wasn't
[06:38] <AlanBell> but I am up now
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <dholbach> ciao Gwaihir
[07:15] <dholbach> come stai?
[07:15] <Gwaihir> hello dholbach!
[07:15] <Gwaihir> tutto bene, e tu? :)
[07:15] <dholbach> anche bene, grazie :)
[08:44] <s-fox> o.
[08:44] <s-fox> o/
[08:44] <benonsoftware> o/ s-fox
[08:45] <s-fox> Hello benonsoftware :) How are you ?
[08:45] <benonsoftware> s-fox: Tired, how are you? :)
[08:46] <cjohnston> howdy
[08:47] <benonsoftware> 'ello cjohnston
[08:47] <s-fox> So so benonsoftware , getting ready for the weekend
[08:47] <s-fox> Hey cjohnston :)
[08:49] <cjohnston> o/
[08:49] <s-fox> How are you doing?
[08:49] <cjohnston> hot...
[08:49] <cjohnston> just left Disney Hong Kong
[08:50] <s-fox> Fun fun
[08:50] <s-fox> cjohnston,  got kids? If so i bet they loved it :)
[08:51] <cjohnston> they are back home
[08:51] <cjohnston> I'm not bringing them on a 15.5 hour flight
[08:51] <cjohnston> heh
[08:51] <s-fox> I remember my last long flight, 13hrs
[08:51] <s-fox> it sucked lol
[08:52] <cjohnston> ya.. as did this
[08:52] <s-fox> how did you kill the time? sleep?
[08:52] <MrChrisDruif> I've only had a 2 hour flight to date...and it sucked already! But I think it'll be comparable to a 15 bus ride, so I think I'll be able to grab some Z's in there
[08:53] <cjohnston> a little.. :-/ even after taking ambien I still slept less than 5 hours
[08:54] <s-fox> was that direct cjohnston ?
[08:54] <s-fox> i once caught a connection in moscow. i had to wait for 4 hours...that totally sucked
[08:54] <s-fox> lol
[08:54] <cjohnston> I flew from Orlando to Chicago then to Hong Kong
[08:58] <s-fox> Fun
[08:59] <cjohnston> two ish days of semi vacation, then back to the grind
[09:00] <s-fox> boo :/
[09:00] <s-fox> but did you have a good vacation ?
[09:01] <cjohnston> today is day number 1
[09:01] <s-fox> oh, lol. i misunderstood
[09:01] <cjohnston> :-)
[10:20] <daker> WTH is that bug 1004409
[10:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004409 in firefox "Years ago and Computers ago, There are men who do not want me to suceed. I have spent SO much time,on this issue. I need email.and soon a web page for my business. Bust the creeps. I believe to be in the Fairmount Police Dept. I DO NOT have Apple nor W" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004409
[10:21] <benonsoftware> Daviey: that is the biggest amount of spam I have seen in LP
[10:30] <Daviey> benonsoftware: looks like high impact bug to me.
[11:23] <daker> dholbach, Scorpions, yesterday :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Hm4Pej1OOY#!
[11:49] <dpm> I didn't even realize the translations roundtable at UDS was being recorded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8BG4bAkdbE
[12:00] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, they were subtle about the video recording
[12:14] <daker> mhall119, AlanBell not sure if this is the right video for this session https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u2l8rcNuOg&feature=channel&list=UL
[12:23] <AlanBell> daker: nope, that certainly isn't
[12:25] <daker> the videos on youtube are from blip.tv, so this one is wrong too https://blip.tv/ubuntu-developers/ubuntu-uds-q-etherpad-lite-summit-integration-6159137
[12:25] <JanC> lol @ "Not a bug in Ubuntu..."
[12:39] <dholbach> daker: everybody seems to be going to Morocco :)
[12:40] <daker> dholbach, we should implement a visa system now ツ
[12:40] <daker> dholbach, immigration in the reverse way Europe => Morocco
[12:42] <dholbach> daker: is that what is being discussed right now?
[12:43] <daker> dholbach, on fb/twitter/websites yes
[12:45] <dholbach> yeah, I can see why - it's just not fair that the vast majority of people on this planet have such a hard time travelling somewhere
[12:51] <daker> dholbach, we can travel to those countries without a visa http://www.elhyani.net/liste-des-pays-sans-visas-pour-les-marocains/
[12:52] <dholbach> more than I thought, but not enough :)
[12:53] <daker> Europe => Kosovo ツ
[13:56] <mhall119> popey: do you have the 6 or 9 cell battery on your x220?
[13:57] <popey> 9
[13:57] <popey> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006333/
[13:57] <popey> thats the full spec of what I bought
[13:57] <popey> I removed the spinning rust and bought an SSD separately
[13:57] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/260707-ocz-240gb-vertex-3-ssd-2-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-read-550mb-s-write-520mb-s-vtx3-25sat3-240g  <- that one
[14:00] <mhall119> does the i7 draw more power than the i5 or i3?
[14:02] <popey> no idea
[14:03] <popey> AIUI the i7 has 2nd gen sandybridge GPU
[14:03] <popey> which isn't obvious
[14:08] <nigelb> popey: "spinning rust" haha
[14:09] <mhall119> popey: yeah,  I'm just trying to decide if it's worth the $300 difference
[14:09] <popey> I wanted a laptop I would keep for a fair while
[14:09] <mhall119> me too, but I don't do much that's CPU intensive
[14:09] <popey> so went for the most power I could get, most RAM etc
[14:10] <popey> yeah, me neither most of the time, but I am impatient
[14:10] <mhall119> and considering I've had my current laptop for 2 years, and only paid $300 for it, that's a big price difference
[14:10] <popey> and when I use VMs and do builds of stuff like unity I dont like waiting :D
[14:10] <popey> yeah, it's not cheap
[14:11]  * mhall119 wonders if Lenovo gives refunds for unused Windows licenses
[14:14] <popey> they might let you order one without an OS
[14:14] <popey> but you'll probably have to phone them
[14:38] <daker> ok ok some good news http://www.netglobers.fr/north-america/fbi-issues-computer-security-warning-to-travelers--34277.html
[14:58] <jono> dholbach, dpm, mhall119, jcastro, balloons all set?
[14:58] <dholbach> bon jour monsieur jono
[14:58] <jono> jcastro, balloons you guys don't have to be on this if you dont want to
[14:58] <jono> but are welcome
[14:58] <jono> hey dholbach :-)
[14:58] <balloons> jono, I can't be
[14:59] <balloons> :-(
[14:59] <jono> balloons, np
[14:59] <dpm> o/
[15:00] <jono> invite sent
[16:11] <dholbach> alright my friends - I've got to run
[16:11] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[17:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: yes lenovo does refunds for windows licenses
[17:21] <mhall119> bkerensa: cool, I'll have to call them up on that
[17:22] <czajkowski> pleia2: thank you for the stickers went down well
[17:23] <pleia2> czajkowski: glad to hear it :)
[17:23] <bkerensa> mhall119: I think they have some sort of process where they ask you to mail your HDD in to confirm Windows is not on it and ship you a new drive etc
[17:23] <czajkowski> pleia2: talk tomorrow so shall reference you and the stuff again, already sent a few along today
[17:24] <czajkowski> so hopefully get some more people
[17:24] <czajkowski> had to do a video interview for FSFE :/
[17:24] <czajkowski> did manage to speak slowly even for me
[17:24] <pleia2> oh boy
[17:24] <bkerensa> mhall119: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund#Lenovo but you might ask slangasek he buys the lenovos quite a bit
[17:24] <pleia2> good luck on the talk
[17:24] <czajkowski> did manage to get a nice comment oin how their marketing doesnt alwayss work or come across well
[17:24] <czajkowski> not sure Sam will thank me for that :)
[17:24] <pleia2> hehe
[17:29] <popey> czajkowski: many people there?
[17:30] <czajkowski> a good 50-60 today
[17:30] <czajkowski> they exoect a friday type and a saturday type of audience
[17:30] <czajkowski> those who can take time off work and those who wont give up weekends
[17:31] <czajkowski> found out a lot of new projects out there happening
[17:31] <czajkowski> some very cool stuff
[17:32] <czajkowski> did a combination of tweeting/G+ stuff
[17:33] <czajkowski> there is a chinese and large jd in my future after today though.
[17:35] <czajkowski> there was a whole slide on schools of feminism
[17:35] <czajkowski> http://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/205977641369604097/photo/1
[17:36] <pleia2> czajkowski: you should believe in equality for women!
[17:37] <pleia2> feminism isn't a bad word :)
[17:37] <czajkowski> pleia2: i do believe in equality for women
[17:38] <czajkowski> I'm just not gone on that word though
[17:38] <pleia2> that's all that "feminism" means
[17:38] <czajkowski> hmmm
[17:38] <czajkowski> :s
[17:38] <pleia2> yeah, it has gotten a bad rap, but we're trying to take it back ;)
[17:43] <jono> equality is a good thing
[17:43] <jono> but I agree that "feminism" has something of a bad reputation, particularly in Open Source
[17:43] <czajkowski> pleia2: nods I get that I do.
[17:44] <czajkowski> pleia2: but I do know most of me andmy mates over in .ie  just wouldnt be used to calling equality that.
[17:44] <czajkowski> jono: evneing
[17:44] <jono> hey czajkowski
[17:44] <czajkowski> good lord typo fairy
[17:44] <czajkowski> good evening
[17:44] <popey> czajkowski: so were men allowed or not?
[17:45] <czajkowski> shall stick to aloha in future
[17:45] <czajkowski> popey: there was 1 guy there
[17:45] <popey> heh
[17:45] <czajkowski> but I think that was mostly due to his heavily pregnant wife.
[17:45] <czajkowski> I did ask and you wer eright they wouldnt have been encouraged
[17:46] <popey> which is fine
[17:46] <czajkowski> I borught it up in the panel discssion saying having one type of event where only one gender is allowed to attend doesnt really bode well with me or I think is a good idea
[17:46] <popey> i can see why they do it
[17:46] <jono> it is always a delicate balance
[17:46] <popey> men come along and throw their weight around
[17:46] <popey> and dont "get" the issues mostly
[17:46] <czajkowski> yeah so girl geek dinners work well in that respect
[17:47] <jono> yeah
[17:47] <czajkowski> a gentleman is only allowed attend if he is invited
[17:47] <popey> ggd you have to be invited don't you?
[17:47] <czajkowski> popey: yup
[17:47] <popey> "gentleman" :D
[17:47] <popey> dashes all hope of me ever being invited
[17:47] <czajkowski> and that was the arguemtn paula had, she felt if 2 men were in the room today it would have side tracked the talks, which may have happened really depending on the topic
[17:47] <czajkowski> it was recoreded and there was good discussion
[17:47] <pleia2> that's how we ran phillychix too, guys could come if they (were brought by|brought) a woman
[17:47] <jono> I think problem is when feminism is enforced in such a way that it tries to eradicate the world of any gender references
[17:48] <czajkowski> glad I went, but am kinda exhausted from talking all day in the heat and day 2 tomorrwo
[17:48] <pleia2> but I do enjoy the female-only spaces I'm involved with too
[17:48] <popey> i think its a good thing for that specific type of event
[17:48] <jono> yeah
[17:48] <czajkowski> they were very keen to hear how UW operates as many had bad experiences with lugs
[17:49] <czajkowski> so they were impressed about the CoC
[17:49] <czajkowski> as some had never heard of it
[17:49] <czajkowski> also some were wary of irc again thankful we have ops who step in
[17:49] <jono> it is awesome to see the progress UW has made over the years
[17:49] <pleia2> I went to a Perl Mongers meeting where they had signs pointing to the "Meeting room" and "Men's room"
[17:49] <pleia2> it was not awesome :(
[17:49] <pleia2> (this was like, 2 days ago)
[17:49] <jono> pleia2, that is insane
[17:50] <czajkowski> nods ther ewas someone from mongo db there today and she said she felt she had to change her irc nick to be taken more seriously
[17:50] <jono> my mind boggles that some people struggle with such basic social skills
[17:50] <czajkowski> as in not use her first name and use a nick or initials
[17:50] <jono> incredible developers, but the social skills of a 5 year old
[17:50] <pleia2> everyone was nice and I'm glad I went, but it started the evening in a dissapointing way
[17:50] <czajkowski> heh
[17:51] <jono> pleia2, do you feel that the Open Source landscape for women has improved in the last few years?
[17:51] <czajkowski> the tea pot today was one of the most intersting projects and one I think kids would love to do .
[17:51] <jono> or is it still the same
[17:51] <pleia2> jono: it's improved a lot
[17:51] <jono> that's good to hear
[17:51] <czajkowski> http://www.mztek.org/programs/chi-tek/
[17:52] <pleia2> I think part of it is due to a lot more women taking leadership roles throughout communities, so now people actually see women around, plus fewer women are hiding these days (hiding real names, not attending events)
[17:52] <jono> yeah
[17:52] <jono> I think there is something to be said about being loud and proud
[17:52] <jono> visibility encourages others
[17:52] <AlanBell> so *thats* why Rain was making a teapot
[17:53] <pleia2> it's still not easy to be visible, it was just 2 years ago when I got the last pile of threatening phone calls (fortunately they used a google voice number, so easy to record, block and forward along to authorities)
[17:53] <jono> pleia2, are you serious? omg
[17:53] <pleia2> but I think my very visible position in Ubuntu *and* Ubuntu Women makes me quite a target
[17:53] <jono> what I find interesting is comparing these experiences to those of my wife
[17:53] <jono> she works in technology, but she is the CEO of a small company
[17:54] <jono> so she tends to be in business circles, typically populated by middle to older aged white men
[17:54] <czajkowski> pleia2: thats awful I'm sorry yoou had to do that, I have to say I've been fortunate never to experience that kinda lark , do you think perhaps this is something you might see more state side than elsewhere ?
[17:54] <jono> I have not seen similar cases in those circles
[17:54] <jono> what drives Erica crazy is when someone assumes that she is in PR or Marketing because she is in a business suit
[17:55] <czajkowski> jono: more business types I suspect than geeky folsk with nothing  else better to do with their time than harass folks :/
[17:55] <czajkowski> jono: oh that would annoy me also
[17:55] <pleia2> czajkowski: in this particular instance all of Ubuntu Women was attacked (the channel was invite-only for about a month), we didn't really want to talk about it because they were an attention-seeking group doing the attack
[17:55] <czajkowski> I'm not the most technical minded person but would hate people to assume that
[17:56] <jono> it would be interesting to compare experiences of women in different domains in Open Source (E.g. engineering, business, sales etc)
[17:56] <czajkowski> pleia2: :/
[17:56] <pleia2> and of course the debian women death threats we got in 2006 and 2008 were sent all over the world: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/debian_death_threats/
[17:56] <pleia2> (I only got one in 2006, but I was on lists where the guy showed up in 2008 too)
[17:56] <jono> some people are such assholes
[17:57] <pleia2> jono: open source certainly has it the worst :) in the business world I don't encounter nearly as many problems (and I'd say no problems if my title is clear up front, if it's unclear I have gotten mistaken for a secretary rather than a sysadmin from time to time)
[17:58] <czajkowski> oh this was also another speaker who was interesting even if the concept of wearing clothes that light up depending on your heart beat for social interactions was a bit unusal. http://rainycatz.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/wearable-technology-bootcamp-with-lilypad-arduino-technocamps-aberystwyth/
[17:58] <pleia2> adruino dresses are awesome :D
[17:58] <czajkowski> yeah her stuff was a necklace that would flash depending on her heart beat so if she's nervous it flashes more
[17:58] <czajkowski> alterting her
[17:58] <pleia2> someone near here made a skirt where the lights pointing north lit up
[17:58] <czajkowski> and others as it's bright
[17:58]  * balloons read pleia2's account.. unbelievable
[17:59] <jono> pleia2, I don't know why, but I find it strange that a group of rich middle to older aged white executives would be less derogatory than those with an interest in engineering
[17:59] <jono> I guess this just demonstrates my own bias
[17:59] <czajkowski> jono: or past experiences
[18:00] <pleia2> jono: there is a lot more more accountability and professionalism in the business world dictates respect
[18:00] <pleia2> s/dictates/which dictates
[18:00] <jono> czajkowski, probably, one thing I am a little over-sensitive about is people trying to define their social status based upon what I personally consider to be false prophets of success such as money, what car your drive, what clothes your wear etc
[18:00] <jono> czajkowski, as such I think I see a little more of that in that world
[18:01] <jono> I think it is my Northern heritage that gets me in a tizzy over thise
[18:01] <jono> this
[18:01] <jono> pleia2, I agree
[18:01] <czajkowski> jono: nods, it gives you a differnt view and a perspective to discuss which is good.
[18:01] <jono> pleia2, I guess in the business world your reputation is everything, you don't hide behind an avatar of an anime schoolgirl
[18:01] <czajkowski> as I pointed out today discussion is always good it leads to ideas and change
[18:01] <jono> czajkowski, indeed
[18:02] <jono> czajkowski, one of the things that I find interesting is observing different types of social prejudice
[18:02] <pleia2> jono: right, plenty of trolls just change their name and avatar when they decide to grow up
[18:03] <jono> as an example: when I was a kid and lived in Yorkshire, there was a prejudice with many against those who were successful - for example, my dad started out as a welder and then moved up in the world, and some other folks resented that
[18:03] <jono> as if he "was lucky"
[18:03] <pleia2> it's funny, here in the states we have pretty much the opposite prejudice
[18:03] <jono> likewise, one thing I have noticed in California is elements of prejudice against those who don't have a lot...that they are "lazy" and "sponge of the ste"
[18:03] <jono> pleia2, indeed
[18:04] <jono> to me this is all the same, just plain ignorance, but my own upbringing makes me sensitive to both sides a little now
[18:05] <czajkowski> jono: yes but you can see both sides of the coin
[18:05] <jono> czajkowski, it has been interesting to see the different perspectives
[18:05] <czajkowski> nods
[18:05] <jono> my take is the key is being proud that whatever you have or don't have, you gained it honestly
[18:06] <pleia2> my family was on and off welfare when I was growing up, my fiance has never lived in poverty, we have some interesting discussions ;)
[18:06] <jono> pleia2, that is *exactly* the same as Erica and I
[18:07] <pleia2> his view is quite black and white, I always end with "it's more complicated than that!"
[18:07] <jono> pleia2, I am sure you are probably the same as me...I will never forget my more frugal child-hood, I think it sealed in some values
[18:07] <czajkowski> even in my family people turn their noses up at the way myself and my sister were brought up, went to college and have careers, which was down to mum and dads influence, where as her brothers kids didnt so it's seen as we're better, when we just did things differently
[18:07] <pleia2> jono: yeah
[18:08] <jono> indeed
[18:08] <jono> wow, my washing machine just freaked out
[18:08] <czajkowski> people always have sterotypes, my dad was beaten up for driving a uk car and having an enlgish accent in ireland but yet had lived there 15 years and was working. people judge too easily.
[18:08] <jono> started slamming around
[18:08] <jono> that was weird
[18:08] <pleia2> hehe
[18:08] <IdleOne> You have no idea how delicious a bologna sandwich is until you have gone to bed hungry for a few days/weeks/months...
[18:09] <pleia2> czajkowski: the opposite is true on my father's side of the family, but they've since re-accepted me now that I'm successful "in spite of not going to college"
[18:09] <pleia2> IdleOne: haha
[18:09] <jono> IdleOne, heh, reminds me of being at uni and not having any money and eating cheap pots of noodles every day for a month and then eating chicken for the firm time
[18:09] <jono> it was like a gift from heaven
[18:09] <czajkowski> pleia2: families eh!
[18:09] <pleia2> czajkowski: indeed :)
[18:09] <IdleOne> pleia2: I HATE bologna but I know how good it is when there isn't anything else
[18:10] <IdleOne> jono: exactly
[18:10] <czajkowski> pleia2: love em to bits, even more so now I live in the UK, nice to vist and then leave :)
[18:10] <jono> IdleOne, bologna is better than no bologna :-)
[18:10] <IdleOne> jono: :)
[18:10] <jono> nice chatting, I better get back to the ugliness of my inbox
[18:10]  * pleia2 back to work too
[18:10] <czajkowski> heh nice chatting too
[18:10] <czajkowski> now hurry up dinner I need to write slides
[18:10] <IdleOne> you people suck. Friday is pretend to look busy day
[18:11] <jono> lol
[18:11] <czajkowski> IdleOne: it's 19:10 on a friday evening, there is a very large JD in front of me :)
[18:11] <IdleOne> oh oh, czajkowski is looking for fight hehe
[18:11] <IdleOne> for a fight*
[18:11] <czajkowski> nah in for the vening with a movie
[18:13] <popey> \o/ bbq
[18:18] <jono> I cannot get enough of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmMg-lnyQHE
[18:18] <jono> great background music
[18:18] <jono> really getting into blues
[18:25] <balloons> jono, it's a small step to jazz now . . .
[18:25] <bkerensa> jono: how about this song it has a nice touch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
[18:30] <jono> bkerensa, not cool
[18:30] <jono> lol
[18:30] <bkerensa> ;0
[18:32] <jono> I am listening to that song again :-)
[18:37] <balloons> the video is epic
[18:41] <snap-l> http://lso.co.uk/uploads/Mahler6_1stMovement.mp4
[18:42] <snap-l> jono: ^^
[18:42] <jono> balloons, :-)
[18:43] <jono> snap-l, what is this?
[18:43] <snap-l> Mahler's 6th Symphonly, performed with the London Symphony Orchestra
[18:44] <snap-l> Valery Gergiev conducting
[18:44] <jono> ok then
[18:44] <jono> lol
[18:44] <snap-l> (I can type)
[18:44] <jono> :-)
[18:44] <jono> I am not much into classical
[18:44] <snap-l> trust me
[18:46] <snap-l> Metal and classical have more in common than you might realize.
[18:47] <jono> snap-l, I agree
[18:47] <jono> it is just not hugely my thing
[18:47] <jono> thanks for sharing though
[18:47] <jono> we should have a youtube listening party sometime
[18:47] <jono> brb
[18:48] <snap-l> sigh. You can bring the culture to jono, but you can't make him drink. :)
[18:48] <jono> just because it is classical music doesn't mean its cultured :-)
[18:48] <jono> you snob
[18:48] <jono> lol
[18:48] <balloons> mendelssohn!
[18:48] <balloons> bring it on.. he rocks
[18:48] <Daviey> jono: lets not, http://thedoghousediaries.com/1242
[18:49] <jono> mind you, I went to the Viennese Opera with sabdfl and it was awesome
[18:49] <jono> brb call
[18:50] <snap-l> jono: It's just because you haven't heard the rigth classical
[18:51] <snap-l> that's what I tell people who say they don't like metal music. You just haven't heard the right one.
[18:52] <greg-g> true for almost all genres
[18:53] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvfh_mjPLlQ <- full score
[20:12] <patc1> hello, ubuntu 10.04, and probably an issue between xorg, dual screen and kaffeine. Can somebody help me with this please?
[20:14] <IdleOne> patc1: #ubuntu is the support channel. provide some details as to what the issue is when you join there
[20:15] <balloons> patc1, we all love ubuntu, but those folks on #ubuntu are better suited to helping you out :-)
[20:15] <balloons> gl
[20:15] <patc1> IdleOne: ok, but I tried... and whatever I've been told was some sort of "install newer ubuntu version!".... not really usefull ;)
[20:16] <balloons> patc1, :-( askubuntu.com and the ubuntuforums.org are also places you may find help
[20:16] <patc1> so I thought maybe at the community team I could get some more valuable help ;)
[20:17] <balloons> are you running kubuntu?
[20:17] <balloons> the #kubuntu channel does user support if so
[20:17] <IdleOne> flattery will get you voluntold for Ubuntu work
[20:17] <patc1> balloons: OK Thanks. What is this channel dedicated to? I am almost newbie here
[20:18] <balloons> hehe, this is an open channel for the greater ubuntu community, and folks specific to seeing that community prosper and grow
[20:19] <patc1> IdleOne: no flattery lol... I have no idea where to post my question... Being answered "install newer ubuntu" "repladce 10.04" is simply not usefull tricks in my case.
[20:19] <balloons> in the same way the kernel team cares for the kernel, we care for the ubuntu community
[20:19] <patc1> balloons: OK, I understand
[20:19] <AlanBell> by sending patches upstream
[20:19] <IdleOne> patc1: #ubuntu is the place to ask.
[20:19] <IdleOne> one person gave "not so good" advice perhaps, it happens.
[20:20] <patc1> ok... So did I. So maybe will I try another time, hoping I find someone who understands that I want to solve the problem I have with my version, without changing ;)
[20:20] <patc1> I use ubuntu, not kubuntu
[20:21] <patc1> but thank you for your answers :)
[20:21] <AlanBell> hmm, kaffine wants me to install most of kde
[20:29] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.threadless.com/product/3798/Once_You_Pop/tab,guys/style,shirt
[21:16] <popey> czajkowski: ☺
[21:16] <popey> *smoosh*