| cjwatson | xnox: debconf is certainly not optional for anything remotely related to the installer; it's a core facility | 01:25 |
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| cjwatson | However, debconf-set is not part of debconf :-) | 01:25 |
| CIA-62 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r5485 trunk/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.install-any): Install debconf-set from debian-installer-utils, useful for preseeding. | 01:27 |
| xnox | cjwatson: aha =) | 07:52 |
| xnox | mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitioningSchemes | 08:49 |
| xnox | mpt: https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403/Beginning?authuser=0&feat=directlink | 08:49 |
| xnox | mpt: https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403/SingleDiskStandardInstall?authuser=0&feat=directlink | 08:49 |
| xnox | please note this is just the first slideshow: the beginning steps & typical full-disk install | 08:50 |
| xnox | the screenshots do not always show every single click/tab, usually the default highlight is: "save option" (no, cancel, back, etc), simply the top option, rarely something useful (e.g. default to english keyboard). | 08:51 |
| mpt | xnox, great, thanks. Will you be around in 3 hours? What time zone are you in? | 09:38 |
| xnox | mpt: I am UK based. I will be around in 3 hours. | 09:38 |
| xnox | mpt: I have a meeting at 15:00 UK time (GMT+1 right now?!) | 09:39 |
| mpt | ok | 09:39 |
| xnox | mpt: I still need to do slideshows for the other cases. Were the first two ok? | 09:40 |
| xnox | as in would you still prefer video? | 09:40 |
| mpt | xnox, I don't see Raid or LVM in either of those galleries | 12:38 |
| mpt | xnox, yes, slideshows would be fine | 12:38 |
| xnox | mpt: I have added 'guided lvm' & crypt slideshows to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitioningSchemes | 12:39 |
| * mpt wonders wtf "relidaving" means in "Relidaving gnupg..." | 12:39 | |
| xnox | RAID is still to do | 12:39 |
| xnox | mpt: link to all galleries: https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403 | 12:40 |
| mpt | thanks | 12:42 |
| mpt | xnox, have you met (or talked to) Dustin Kirkland? | 12:51 |
| xnox | mpt: I know who he is. I have seen him at the UDS. I believe he is not aware who I am. | 12:52 |
| mpt | xnox, I'm still reading this stuff, but meanwhile, bug 791885 and bug 817507 look like they might be duplicates. | 13:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 791885 in ubiquity "Ubiquity crash with RAID 0 array - grub could not install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791885 | 13:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 817507 in ubiquity "Grub-install fails on the RAID0 array" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817507 | 13:10 |
| xnox | ok thanks. | 13:10 |
| * xnox is considering to rename wiki page to Ubiquity/ThisStuff =) | 13:10 | |
| mpt | "will not have swap or will use a swapfile" | 13:11 |
| mpt | cjwatson, iirc there's been a long-standing to-do to switch from using a swap partition to a swap file by default. Is that right? | 13:12 |
| xnox | mpt: yes, but it's not massive priority. The questions about hibernate/suspend are still not fully resolved, afaik. | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | Indeed, it's something we'd eventually like to do to simplify partitioning; hopefully this LTS cycle but it's not scheduled for 12.10 | 13:15 |
| cjwatson | Given previous experience I'd not want to do it by default without explicit support time allocated from the kernel team | 13:15 |
| xnox | cjwatson: alternative & server d-i cd's are build from debian-installer package, ubiquity or somewhere else? | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | They contain objects from the debian-installer source package, but the ISO images themselves are built by a branch of debian-cd | 13:18 |
| mpt | xnox, do you have handy a screenshot of the current advanced partitioning step, so I can design something that doesn't require the new overall design? | 13:25 |
| xnox | cjwatson: ok. | 13:32 |
| xnox | mpt: you mean ubiquity's advanced partitioning? | 13:33 |
| mpt | xnox, yes | 13:33 |
| * xnox had to reboot due to X.org crashing. sorry for the delay. | 13:33 | |
| xnox | mpt one moment | 13:35 |
| xnox | mpt: https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403/Ubiquity?authuser=0&feat=directlink | 13:42 |
| xnox | there are a few | 13:43 |
| mpt | eugh, there's something gone strange with that "Install this third-party software" checkbox | 13:43 |
| xnox | mpt: I think you need to allow 'download updates' before that one becomes active | 13:44 |
| xnox | no | 13:44 |
| xnox | you don't have to | 13:44 |
| xnox | it's simply 'gone ugly in a VM' | 13:44 |
| mpt | xnox, looks like a few of those dialogs have coped badly with being ported to GTK3 | 13:46 |
| mpt | "Create a new partition" in particular | 13:46 |
| mpt | and "Create a new empty partition on this device?" | 13:46 |
| mpt | +table | 13:46 |
| xnox | mpt: =/ this is precise release image, not quantal's gtk3 | 13:46 |
| xnox | in a VM | 13:46 |
| mpt | odd | 13:46 |
| xnox | I will try bare-metal boot and take screenshots again to check the quality | 13:47 |
| mpt | xnox, no, Ubiquity in 12.04 uses GTK3 | 13:47 |
| xnox | oh ok. | 13:47 |
| * xnox was thinking about python3 (sorry) which is being ported in quantal | 13:48 | |
| * xnox it must be friday | 13:48 | |
| mpt | xnox, which varieties of Raid does the alternate installer currently allow? | 13:50 |
| xnox | mpt: I remember that cjwatson was saying something along the lines, that it should be possible to ctrl+click on devices and then "combine" them into RAID/LVM or convert it into encrypted volume. | 13:50 |
| cjwatson | Choices: RAID0, RAID1, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10 | 13:50 |
| xnox | mpt: let me check, I think 0, 1, 5, 6. Plus it allows nesting raids to do 1+0 and 0+1. | 13:50 |
| mpt | My notes say "RAID 0 isn't really RAID at all, but a close alternative to LVM (bug 43453), though it is possible to run one on top of the other." | 13:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 43453 in ubiquity "live cd partitioner doesn't understand lvm properly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43453 | 13:52 |
| mpt | Does that match your understanding? | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | It's not redundant, but it's also not best understood as an alternative to LVM | 13:53 |
| mpt | In what situations would you choose one or the other? | 13:54 |
| cjwatson | It's a method of aggregating multiple block devices into one by alternating blocks among the disks | 13:54 |
| cjwatson | You might use RAID0 if you just want a very low-performance-impact way to aggregate a bunch of disks together | 13:54 |
| mpt | So is LVM slower than RAID0? | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | Let me finish :) | 13:55 |
| mpt | sorry | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | What you get out of it is effectively a single partition whose size is the sum of all the components; but it still roughly behaves as a simple traditional partition | 13:56 |
| cjwatson | LVM is more a swiss army knife approach: you feed it a load of physical volumes (partitions) and it lets you create logical volumes on top without having to care very much about which disks they happen to live on; if for example you later need to replace a disk, you can say to LVM "please move all my data off this disk I'm about to remove" and then swap in a new one | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | I don't think there's a major performance difference, but RAID0 is very much simpler | 13:58 |
| mpt | xnox, no RAID 10? | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | RAID10 is there, I was quoting the code above | 13:58 |
| xnox | RAID 10 is same as RAID 1+0. FIrst you create RAID 1 from 2 disks (I) then another RAID1 from another 2 disks (II). Then assemble both I & II into RAID0. | 13:59 |
| xnox | (4 disks in total) | 13:59 |
| * xnox stacking like a matroshka doll ... | 14:00 | |
| xnox | similarly you can do reverse, e.g. RAID 0+1 when you do it the other way around =) | 14:00 |
| cjwatson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_0 has some example applications | 14:01 |
| cjwatson | I do think it's kind of niche, but mostly it's there because there's not much cognitive difference between four choices and five, and it is something people occasionally ask for so I don't think it's worth the rather minor optimisation of removing it and making those people either redesign their workflow or go and assemble arrays by hand | 14:02 |
| mpt | thanks cjwatson | 14:06 |
| mpt | xnox, if you want something to do right now, I suggest choosing which thing you want to add first: (a) LVM, (b) RAID 0, (c) other RAID types. Then add a button at the bottom right of the partition table, for now labelled (a) "LVM Setup…", (b) "RAID 0 Setup…", or (c) "RAID Setup…", that opens an intro dialog. | 14:12 |
| mpt | xnox, then on Wednesday I'll finish the design of the intro dialog. | 14:12 |
| xnox | (a) LUKS (crypt) | 14:12 |
| xnox | (b) LVM | 14:13 |
| mpt | I was leaving out LUKS until you've talked with Dustin :-) | 14:13 |
| mpt | because he's been working on full-disk encryption, and I don't know whether it's the same kind | 14:13 |
| xnox | no it's not the same | 14:14 |
| mpt | and it would be annoying if we ended up with two kinds of full-disk encryption, neither of which you could switch to after installation | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | I think it'd be crazy to do full-disk encryption other than via cryptsetup | 14:16 |
| cjwatson | (i.e. LUKS) | 14:17 |
| cjwatson | No idea why Dustin wants to reinvent that wheel in a slightly different shape | 14:17 |
| * xnox away on a call | 14:17 | |
| ev | any objections to a ubiquity upload? | 14:25 |
| cjwatson | None from me, was mostly holding off in case you had more to do with m-a | 14:25 |
| ev | nope | 14:26 |
| ev | sorting that now then | 14:26 |
| cjwatson | fixes one critical so we definitely should | 14:26 |
| cjwatson | ta | 14:26 |
| CIA-62 | ubiquity: evand * r5486 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): | 14:27 |
| CIA-62 | ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer | 14:27 |
| CIA-62 | ubiquity: 1.122ubuntu8, flash-kernel 2.28ubuntu43. | 14:27 |
| CIA-62 | ubiquity: evand * r5487 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.11.2 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: is it possible there was a bug in /etc/default/grub handling? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/995555/comments/3 | 15:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 995555 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-standard 1.267 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Low,Fix committed] | 15:43 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: for CMDLINE_LINUX=" quiet splash" e.g. with a space in the beginning? | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | Well, that isn't actually a bug | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | I mean, having the space there | 15:44 |
| cjwatson | Oh, but you mean if that's what the file is like on the way in? | 15:44 |
| roadmr | Hi again :) What should I use in a preseed's partman/early_command on Ubiquity in lieu of debconf-set? <- this doesn't seem to work on Ubiquity, only d-i | 15:45 |
| cjwatson | I fixed that in ubiquity 2.11.2. You had quit IRC so I couldn't tell you at the time. | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | However, you can use this instead: | 15:46 |
| roadmr | cjwatson: oh! damn time zone differences :/ | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule; db_set partman-auto/disk /dev/sda | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | If that's part of a longer script, make sure that ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" is the very first thing in the script | 15:47 |
| roadmr | cjwatson: yes, it's a small script, I'll do that | 15:47 |
| roadmr | cjwatson: this solution is what we'll use probably, since we need it to work in older releases, so the 2.11.2 fix may not be available on those :9 | 15:48 |
| cjwatson | Sure | 15:48 |
| roadmr | cjwatson: thanks :) as usual | 15:48 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: Certainly there are multiple known bugs in /etc/default/grub handling anyway; it's a mess | 15:48 |
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