[00:41]  * bobweaver reads  ^^ 
[00:47] <bobweaver> Ok I have a couple of questions why would we use a "default image"  and Not Ubuntu  Core ?   < making ISO's
[00:49] <bobweaver> mhall119,  is right the more scopes that we have the better off Ubuntu TV will be. I need help with a scope and lens. that I  am building for yourtube,  (it is just a old altered scope)   I have Ubuntu TV installed to 12.04 and the Video lens Also works from there "the stock one"
[00:51] <bobweaver> To recap What I have been up too I made it so that all things work from the launcher (besides youtube)  I added three more launchers to the launcher
[00:51] <bobweaver> contacts
[00:51] <bobweaver> photos
[00:51] <bobweaver> files and folders
[00:52] <bobweaver> For the last tqwo day's I have been trying like heck to get "nm-applet" plugged in but with no luck
[00:52] <bobweaver> so I am building network manager from ground up
[00:52] <bobweaver> that is going to take a bit
[00:53] <bobweaver> I am hoping to have done by sunday but we will see
[00:53] <bobweaver> the power button runs "gnome-session-quit" Now
[00:55] <bobweaver> Things that I need HELP with are wrote down   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1985869
[00:56] <bobweaver> Thou some Jack wagon thinks that they are for something else LOL
[01:05] <bobweaver> Some thing to think about Game System lens and scope that is for Good Emulators IE jpsp  pcsx2 pcsx muppen ect
[01:05] <bobweaver> stuff that still requires end user to use bios codes
[01:07] <bobweaver> Other things to think about https://code.launchpad.net/onehundredscopes
[01:08] <bobweaver> there are some real good ones in there that should be pluged in
[01:08] <bobweaver> like watchseries
[01:09] <bobweaver> I have pluged GroveShark into the Music lens also
[01:13] <bobweaver> But I think that Puging in and make a ubuntu One lens and scope is so important
[01:53] <bobweaver> I should be sending video/audio logs to the mailing list  I am hoping every 3 days from now on out.
[02:17] <tgm4883> bobweaver, we're making a default image. SImilar to how mythbuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu are done
[02:18] <tgm4883> we wouldn't add in things that don't make sense for a TV distribution
[02:18] <bobweaver> tgm4883, where or how can I get involved with that ? and is it being what is being used to build like core up ?
[02:19] <bobweaver> we are talking about debian live here ?
[02:19] <tgm4883> i'm not familiar with debian live
[02:20] <bobweaver> it uses hooks and scripts to build a image
[02:20] <bobweaver> it is quite useful
[02:20] <tgm4883> it's similar I guess
[02:20] <bobweaver> Is there any docs on this or anything so that I am not spinning my wheels
[02:21] <tgm4883> There are the man pages I linked earlier
[02:21] <bobweaver> ok
[02:21] <tgm4883> popey_ might know where more info is, he interviewed someone from that project on UUPC
[02:22] <bobweaver> what are good scopes that you think should 100% be inculded
[02:23] <bobweaver> I keep reading that canonical is waiting on corp or angles too show up
[02:23] <tgm4883> bobweaver, rather than including a bunch of scopes, IMHO I think there needs to be an easy way to install scopes
[02:23] <bobweaver> that could be real easy with C++ QT with the framework that is already in place
[02:24] <bobweaver> but there must be base one's right music pictures
[02:24] <bobweaver> contacts
[02:24] <tgm4883> well the issue is we need either A) the ability to install scopes to root only areas using only a remote
[02:24] <tgm4883> or more likely, B), being able to use scopes installed in the home directory
[02:24] <bobweaver> we could just use apt yea
[02:25] <bobweaver> tied into C++ QT  with xml
[02:25] <tgm4883> right, but that is something we'd have to talk to another team about
[02:25] <bobweaver> like have a section like software center for lenses and scopes
[02:25] <bobweaver> only ^^
[02:26] <bobweaver> I know that I like to uses the applications lens and scope more then any other but I do not have pvr/dvr card
[02:26] <tgm4883> right, but it still needs to be installable via a remote control. Which means you either need to make it have the correct permissions to do that, or install in a location where a normal user has permission
[02:27] <bobweaver> could alter sudo file ?
[02:27] <tgm4883> bobweaver, again, I think that decision is above us
[02:27] <tgm4883> probably need someone from the security team to weigh in
[02:27] <tgm4883> it's probably more likely to access scopes in the user directory
[02:27] <tgm4883> mhall119, ^^
[02:28] <bobweaver>  /usr/share/unity/lenes/nameoflens
[02:28] <tgm4883> bobweaver, but a regular user can't write there
[02:29] <bobweaver> why write to scope or lens
[02:29] <tgm4883> to install it?
[02:30] <bobweaver> so have key combo's for remote ?
[02:30] <bobweaver> to use sudo
[02:30] <tgm4883> yes that is one option
[02:30] <bobweaver> before one can even open up the ubuntu tv software center
[02:30] <bobweaver> so little johhny can not go get pron
[02:31] <bobweaver> porn *
[02:31] <bobweaver> that would also take care of channels but IMHO they whole EGP needs to be looked at again
[02:32] <bobweaver> I want to spend more time testing your lens and try to intergrate some others
[02:33] <bobweaver> ohh time :)
[02:34] <bobweaver> I want to learn more about unity-shell and see if there is a way to cut back on some of the code. If it is possible to even only have formfactor tv  and No formfactor desktop
[02:37] <bobweaver> If so then can the core be altered to metacity
[02:39] <bobweaver> I wanted to get icons and what not before I pushed code but I am going to also do that tonight
[11:55] <mhall119> tgm4883: what was that discussion about sudo?
[14:02] <tgm4883> mhall119, we were discussing scopes and thinking there needs to be a way to install them via remotes. Which means you either need to authenticate somehow with the remote or scopes need to be able to be installed in the home directory
[14:04] <mhall119> tgm4883: they will be installable the same way any software would be installed through the software center
[14:04] <mhall119> presumably USC will be made remote-navigable
[14:04] <tgm4883> mhall119, you still have to put a password into it though
[14:04] <tgm4883> which if you have a remote, kinda sucks
[14:05] <mhall119> depends, I don't know how the user setup will be on TVs
[14:05] <jhodapp> tgm4883: what if you had a boxee-like remote with keyboard on the back?
[14:05] <tgm4883> jhodapp, I don't think you can count on that
[14:05] <mhall119> tgm4883: with TVs being single-user and not having a login screen, it may be as simple as having a 4-digit pin
[14:06] <jhodapp> of course not, but then you can fall back to an on screen keyboard
[14:06] <mhall119> or a modified gksudo that doesn't need a password but still requires user confirmation
[14:06] <jhodapp> indeed
[14:07] <mhall119> at any rate, privilege escalation is something that will need to be resolves system-wide, so you should not have to worry about that when working on your lenses and scopes
[14:08] <tgm4883> mhall119, right. This comes from us talking about what scopes should be on the live disk, and I said they should be installable
[14:08] <tgm4883> and discussion from there
[16:13] <bobweaver> The more that I keep thinking about permissions and and all this other stuff(lens and what not). The more I keep thinking that people are going to want a keyboard of somekind
[16:14] <bobweaver> I mean people are going to want *everything* that ubuntu offers all ready
[16:14] <bobweaver> why not just add more
[16:16] <bobweaver> I like the boxy remote but I also like the idea of any remote I mean I am poor and I can not afford a remote that is $  so I think that it is best to think from that stand point
[16:16] <bobweaver> like yeah the software is free but ...
[16:17] <bobweaver> another idea is to make daemon that is ties into Ubuntu One and you Launchpad account
[16:18] <bobweaver> get rid of the passwords and only sign in once
[16:18] <bobweaver> but there is security matters to that as well but it is a option
[16:19] <bobweaver> C++ and QT can handle just about every thing too ?
[16:21] <bobweaver> but I think that  SSO +LP + U.One that would work
[16:21] <bobweaver> modifed of cource
[16:24] <bobweaver> or landscape IDK maybe if we tie everything together there will be a big knot
[16:28] <bobweaver> IDK I have been up for a long time know. maybe If I sleep then that will be good. On a postive side of things I have all the layout done (.qml) for the indicators not just to tie in commands
[16:28] <bobweaver> good night everybody :)
[16:31] <jhodapp> goodnight bobweaver