| rick_h_ | phew, 1:26 18.2mi ride...how am I going ot do 36mi on Sat? | 02:13 |
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| _stink_ | in 2:52? | 03:03 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 03:07 |
| snap-l | Man, DNS takes forever to update. | 11:27 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, it's usually been pretty quick for me these days | 11:44 |
| brousch | your poor wife | 11:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I know most folks really like those long, slow DNS updates | 12:01 |
| snap-l | This is reverse DNS, so I'm not sure how long it takes | 12:01 |
| snap-l | I fear it'll be 24 hours | 12:01 |
| snap-l | which is no big deal, but it sould be nice to test my SPF record sooner than later | 12:02 |
| snap-l | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/ | 12:36 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we'll see. They back out on stuff like that all the time | 12:38 |
| brousch | ah geez | 12:40 |
| snap-l | Saw it on the python dev list, where their concern was CPython-related. | 12:40 |
| brousch | one more reason to move everything to webapps | 12:40 |
| snap-l | brousch: s/webapps/linux/ | 12:40 |
| snap-l | we don't care what you target gcc to | 12:41 |
| brousch | webapps all run on linux, so yeah | 12:41 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/u49iw/pep_405_is_accepted_virtual_environments_will_be/ | 12:41 |
| brousch | i can't wait to see autocad metro. that should be fun | 12:41 |
| snap-l | HUZZAH! | 12:41 |
| brousch | oh nice | 12:42 |
| snap-l | brousch: They'll probably hang on to VS10 for as long as humanly possible | 12:42 |
| snap-l | and 5 months after it's no longer possible. | 12:42 |
| brousch | actually the article says you can build non-metro if you pay for the IDE. i'm sure autodesk pays | 12:42 |
| snap-l | Autodesk moves like a glacier. A giant, boat-ripping glacier. | 12:42 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: right, the concern is for OSS/school kids that won't pay the fee | 12:43 |
| brousch | i always thought so, but now they autocad on osx and a couple of very nice webapps | 12:43 |
| brousch | rick_h_: there's always eclipse! | 12:43 |
| snap-l | autocad is a verb? | 12:43 |
| snap-l | brousch: Are you high? | 12:43 |
| brousch | as a kite! | 12:43 |
| snap-l | Doesn't eclise need VS to build? | 12:43 |
| brousch | java | 12:43 |
| snap-l | Right, but C compilers and such? | 12:44 |
| brousch | who uses C? | 12:44 |
| * snap-l knows jack about Eclipse on Windows for anything other than Java. | 12:44 | |
| snap-l | CPython, for starters. | 12:44 |
| snap-l | It's even in the name. :) | 12:44 |
| brousch | i think cpython just moved from VS2008 to 2010 with python3.3 | 12:45 |
| snap-l | Yeha, that's their concern. | 12:45 |
| brousch | so they're on 2010 now, and will be good for 5? years | 12:46 |
| snap-l | Not under Windows 8 they won't be | 12:46 |
| brousch | this is much more troubling "In practice, you'll probably have to pay even for Metro development. Windows 8 won't, in general, support side-loading of Metro-style applications. Developers won't be able to stick a Metro-style application that they wrote themselves onto their website and let people download it. " | 12:47 |
| brousch | that kills pretty much any reason i would have to use windows over osx | 12:47 |
| rick_h_ | yea, they're getting to their own app store soon | 12:48 |
| brousch | app store is fine, but requiring all installs to go through it is the shit | 12:48 |
| * rick_h_ is so happy he hasn't had to load windows in multiple years now | 12:48 | |
| rick_h_ | heh, that's the point of the app store :) | 12:48 |
| brousch | i feel my blood pressure rising | 12:49 |
| snap-l | Welcome to the mainframe. Please leave your dignity at the login prompt. | 12:49 |
| brousch | i can see we'll be sitting on win7 for a decade | 12:50 |
| rick_h_ | woot! | 12:50 |
| brousch | better buy up gobs of licenses | 12:50 |
| snap-l | And hope MS doesn't suddenly deactivate them all | 12:50 |
| brousch | damn, you're right | 12:51 |
| * brousch digs around for his win98se CD | 12:51 | |
| snap-l | The PC industry has worked hard to remove the cost-benefits that allowed it to be so successful in the early days. | 12:53 |
| snap-l | That and the feeling of control over your own computing environment. | 12:53 |
| brousch | that's one of the things that bugs me about unity. i feel like i lost some control over my desktop | 12:57 |
| brousch | i'm sure that will get better as it matures | 12:57 |
| rick_h_ | then don't use unity if you need more control :P | 12:57 |
| brousch | i'm not | 12:58 |
| rick_h_ | you have all the control in the wold you know | 12:58 |
| snap-l | I have all the control I need | 12:59 |
| brousch | i'm still really happy with kubuntu | 13:00 |
| snap-l | Yeah, and that's awesome. | 13:00 |
| brousch | i can see kubuntu 12.04 as my OS for 3 years, if need-be | 13:01 |
| snap-l | I love how an idea hits you long after it's useful | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 13:29 |
| snap-l | been struggling with VMs and DHCP getting random IP addresses | 13:29 |
| snap-l | and my solution is to essentially ping every machine on the network and look for mac address patterns via arp -n | 13:30 |
| snap-l | The better answer would have been to create machines with two network adapters | 13:30 |
| snap-l | one for local NAT, and one for remote access | 13:30 |
| snap-l | so I could still have local access, and be able to associate an IP address with the machine that can be listed with some minor scripting | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Of course, port forwarding is a bitch for ssh under this scenario | 13:35 |
| jrwren | its a lie anyway. you can always use the command line tools to do "no cost desktop software development on windows" | 13:45 |
| jrwren | brousch: what makes you think there will be autocad metro? | 13:45 |
| brousch | jrwren: there won't be. i corrected myself | 13:46 |
| jrwren | isee | 13:47 |
| snap-l | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1695.html | 13:49 |
| jrwren | not funny | 13:51 |
| * ColonelPanic001 forgot his towel :( | 14:09 | |
| brousch | i'll put that on your tombstone | 14:10 |
| jrwren | but do you know where it is? | 14:11 |
| brousch | rick_h_: what would you use instead of selenium in that django tdd tutorial? | 14:41 |
| rick_h_ | just the client should work for basic things | 14:41 |
| rick_h_ | selenium is a very hight level integration test, I'd not startt there for testing, but final overall functionality tests | 14:42 |
| brousch | what client? | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | a failing selenium test is near useless, run infreqeuntly, and really just a smoke test in usual cases | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | the django test Client | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | that lets you call the views/get response/etc | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | in pyramid I use webtest | 14:42 |
| brousch | thanks | 14:43 |
| brousch | ok, so i think the fun part of testing will be the challenge of figuring out how to test something | 15:30 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, that's usually the case, just think small and work up | 15:30 |
| brousch | copying and pasting tests from the tutorial is tedious, but i think building my own tests will be more interesting | 15:32 |
| jrwren | writing the test is also the design | 15:36 |
| brousch | what design? | 15:37 |
| jrwren | exactly | 15:38 |
| jrwren | solves that problem too | 15:38 |
| jrwren | solves the overdesign problem. solves the lack of design problem. | 15:38 |
| brousch | overdesign is definitely not my problem | 15:39 |
| brousch | oooooooh http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57441380-93/hps-webos-enyo-team-reportedly-heading-to-google/ | 15:41 |
| greg-g | so, is it really true there is no usable FLOSS voip conference call app (eg: skype replacement)? | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | I hear there's this big blue button thing lol | 16:17 |
| greg-g | :( so, that doesn't work well, eh? I never really tried the MUG instance of it | 16:31 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, just been browbeat that it's awesome and the future and worth sucking all the bandwidth out of our group meetings | 16:32 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: hear hear | 16:36 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I'd give it a shot. Don't let our wearied expressions dissuade you. | 16:37 |
| snap-l | It's just that we haven't gone two months without hearing something about it | 16:38 |
| jrwren | I think if you put up asterisk you can do it. | 16:59 |
| brousch | big blue button was on FLOSS weekly. it has to be good | 17:00 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: bandwidth issue wouldn't be a problem in my use case (set it up as a server the world could use, not library-based group meeting :) | 17:28 |
| greg-g | jrwren: yeah, we (CC) used to have an Asterisk server for our weekly calls, the quality wasn't hte bst for some reason | 17:28 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, the thing is open codecs just don't seem to work as well for that stuff. | 19:25 |
| greg-g | speex or whatever it is is pretty good, from the stuff I've read | 19:36 |
| greg-g | honestly, the xiph community does some good stuff | 19:37 |
| greg-g | I want to just blame it on apathy, but I still don't know if I can | 19:37 |
| snap-l | I think it's also partly because of the QoS that stuff like Skye does behind the scenes | 19:37 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: oh yea don't get me wrong. It's hard to get fired up when there are free working alternatives | 19:38 |
| rick_h_ | especially because this kind of thing is effected by network effects | 19:38 |
| greg-g | right | 19:39 |
| greg-g | that was the phrase I couldn't come up with before, heh | 19:40 |
| snap-l | God, I should just throw out all of the 32 bit machines in the house | 19:43 |
| snap-l | was going to set up a server, but the software I downloaded was 64 bit only | 19:43 |
| snap-l | That's a few minutes I'm not going to get back | 19:44 |
| PainBank | what do you all think of JSLint? I just checked it out for the first time and was wondering if you use it and what your thoughts on it are? | 19:47 |
| rick_h_ | live by it | 19:47 |
| rick_h_ | it's ,m in my vim setup | 19:47 |
| rick_h_ | I use node/npm version of running it | 19:47 |
| rick_h_ | sudo npm install -g jslint (after you get nodejs and npm first) | 19:47 |
| Blazeix | yeah, definitely use jslint | 19:48 |
| Blazeix | it will catch all sorts of things, the biggest for me is unintended global variable use | 19:48 |
| snap-l | put another way: there's no good reason why you shouldn't use it | 19:48 |
| rick_h_ | it saves a lot of debugging headaches | 19:48 |
| rick_h_ | it's picky/strict, but that's the best kind of tool :) | 19:48 |
| PainBank | right on | 19:48 |
| PainBank | ya, I noticed the 'using strict' issue came up right away, which is annoying, but requires everything to be right. | 19:49 |
| PainBank | so you correct event the small things like adding var to the start of a variable declaration and clean up the spacing warnings? | 19:49 |
| brousch | or youcould use coffeescript which supposedly always creates jslint passing code | 19:49 |
| rick_h_ | especially adding the var | 19:50 |
| PainBank | ya, no on coffeeeeeee | 19:50 |
| PainBank | ok | 19:50 |
| rick_h_ | and yea, I'm a spacing nut... | 19:50 |
| rick_h_ | so consistant spacing ftw | 19:50 |
| brousch | rick_h_: give a pep8 nazi talk at pyohio | 19:51 |
| brousch | you could yell and froth at people | 19:51 |
| PainBank | anyone created an NPAPI before? | 19:53 |
| Blazeix | i haven't, what are you building? | 19:56 |
| snap-l | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/05/kingdoms-of-amalur-developer-lays-off-entire-staff/ <- This is fucked up | 19:56 |
| PainBank | embedded system using browser for the GUI... need to trigger the hardware functionlaity | 19:56 |
| snap-l | (not the layoff bit, the how it was funded bit) | 19:56 |
| PainBank | wow | 19:56 |
| PainBank | 379 staff... | 19:57 |
| PainBank | whoa | 19:57 |
| PainBank | umm... both. | 20:00 |
| snap-l | Yeah ,the first part is sad | 20:00 |
| snap-l | the second part si "wtf were they thinknig" | 20:00 |
| PainBank | pretty fucked up, that they knew they were in trouble, yet kept the whole 380 staff on... ya wonder how many knew there were issues before the big layoff.... | 20:00 |
| PainBank | as in sitting around, twiddling thumbs... waiting for said axe to fall. | 20:01 |
| snap-l | I think they were waiting for a bailout from the govt. | 20:01 |
| PainBank | the funding part is just nuts... hell.... it isn't a 3rd in a series of a halo or MW series or anything. | 20:01 |
| PainBank | they already had it... and the execs had quite the fun time for a while... | 20:01 |
| snap-l | Java: The Speed-bump of the internet | 20:28 |
| snap-l | I swear, the requirements for Alfresco should be just one word: more | 20:28 |
| snap-l | more CPU, more RAM, more everything, pease | 20:28 |
| brousch | i thought of looking at elfresco, but never did | 20:32 |
| brousch | seemed huge | 20:32 |
| snap-l | https://identi.ca/notice/94003046 https://identi.ca/notice/94003056 | 20:34 |
| Blazeix | snap-l: haha | 20:38 |
| snap-l | Would someone that doesn't normally receive mail from me be willing to help me with an experiment? | 21:09 |
| snap-l | ie: I shouldn't be in your contact list, or on Google plus | 21:09 |
| snap-l | and you should have a gmail account | 21:10 |
| Blazeix | does it have to be gmail? you could use 10minutemail | 21:11 |
| snap-l | I've had my mail show up as spam in gmail | 21:11 |
| snap-l | and I wanted to see if I'd finally nailed the SPF record so it doesn't do that anymore. | 21:11 |
| snap-l | port25 and the openspf mailer says that I pass | 21:12 |
| snap-l | Maybe I should just let it go. :) | 21:12 |
| shakes808 | snap-l: what do you need me to do? | 21:20 |
| snap-l | just pm me your e-mail address | 21:20 |
| snap-l | and wait for an e-mail from me | 21:20 |
| snap-l | and then lmk if it showed up in spam | 21:21 |
| brousch | snap-l: starting a spam ans scam company? | 21:22 |
| snap-l | brousch: You betcha | 21:22 |
| shakes808 | came through in my normal inbox | 21:23 |
| snap-l | shakes808: Thank you. | 21:23 |
| shakes808 | np | 21:23 |
| shakes808 | glad to be of assistance ;) | 21:24 |
| shakes808 | ... and now the flood of spam mail and chain letters commence :-/ | 21:24 |
| shakes808 | loll | 21:24 |
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