[00:22] <micahg> is there a reason why we only have 64 bit images?
[05:57] <astraljava> I haven't looked into it so far. I'm wondering where to sign up for the image-build mail in the first place. I know I receive it for Studio, but that's probably because the mail is forwarded to the -devel ml.
[05:58] <astraljava> But anyway, does anyone have a clear overview what's been done for this cycle thus far?
[05:58] <astraljava> I suppose I'd have to write some kind of report for the release meeting today, but I have no clue. :)
[07:25] <astraljava> At least people have been looking at the blueprints, voted on them, and some work has already happened with the desktop search.
[07:25] <astraljava> Anything else?
[07:26] <astraljava> Naturally refreshed packages from Debian.
[07:27] <Unit193> http://www.mail-archive.com/pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg16752.html That *seems* to be the best bet for dvd playback, but I'd bet not for Q.
[07:48] <micahg> :( no GTK 3 for Xfce 4.12, we might not even get GTK 3 for the next LTS
[07:49] <Unit193> Geez...
[07:51] <astraljava> Well, I can sort of understand it, if the resource hogging is that much worse, and is expected to diminish over time as GTK 3 evolves.
[07:52] <astraljava> But I haven't followed the discussion at all, just a guess here.
[08:55] <astraljava> grr... I haven't imported my ssh/gpg keys.
[09:26] <knome> morning
[09:27] <Unit193> Jello, way past sleepy time. (And have I said I hate birds yet?)
[09:28] <knome> :P
[09:29] <pjotr> Hello, I have a request for Xubuntu. 
[09:29] <pjotr> The default double click time of the mouse, is now set at 250 ms. In my experience this is too short for many users: they have difficulty opening files with double click. A default value of 350 ms would be better, in my opinion.
[09:29] <pjotr> For which package should I report this on Launchpad?
[09:30] <knome> we haven't got any feedback on that beofore, so i'm not sure if it is so "many" users
[09:30] <knome> but that would be xubuntu-default-settings
[09:31] <pjotr> Some 50 % of the people that I have transferred to Xubuntu, that is.... Personal experience only, therefore. :-)
[09:31] <knome> well yeah, as i said, haven't got any feedback on that before
[09:31] <pjotr> thanks for pointing me to the right package.
[09:31] <knome> np
[09:32] <pjotr> especially elderly people have diffciculty clicking swift enough with 250 ms
[09:32] <ochosi> hi everyone
[09:33] <laite> has there been any plans for a xubuntu-related forum for internet? I for one feel that ubuntu's official forum is not the best place for xubuntu-conversations, especially while there is no subforum for it specifically
[09:33] <laite> and hi :)
[09:34] <knome> laite, not really - it would be quite a lot of maintenance
[09:34] <Unit193> All you have to do is tag it as Xubuntu.
[09:34] <laite> things like this ^ could be easily polled if something like that existed
[09:34] <chelz> having it more prominent that people should use askubuntu and tag xubuntu might be good
[09:35] <laite> could we ask for a subforum to ubuntuforums?
[09:36] <laite> For what I've seen, there's some questions that come over and over in #xubuntu, perhaps foruming them would make people use google before asking here :)
[09:36] <knome> laite, isn't there one, under DE's ?
[09:38] <laite> knome: I know it's recommended to use ubuntu forums with [xubuntu] tags, but for me it's just kind of a mess that there's also kubuntu/lubuntu etc. questions in the same forum
[09:39] <knome> laite, for me, forums are a mess whatsoever ... :)
[09:41] <pjotr> knome: I have published the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1004400
[09:42] <pjotr> Maybe you guys can talk this over some time?  :-)
[09:42] <knome> maybe
[09:44] <pjotr> That's all I can ask.... Thanks for your time.  :-)
[10:00] <astraljava> knome: backlog! help me
[10:00] <knome> astraljava, wut? help in what? :)
[10:01] <astraljava> release mail.
[10:02] <astraljava> I just noticed it was already due yesterday... :(
[10:02] <knome> nothing much done; setting up the blueprints and drafting stuff
[10:02]  * astraljava has to update his mental TODO notes
[10:02] <astraljava> Yeah ok, that's what I thought.
[10:02] <knome> thanks for asking though
[10:03] <knome> skaet had typoed your email addy
[10:03] <astraljava> Anything about to land that'll have an impact on others? I suppose that some packages are deprecated, so I
[10:03] <knome> that's probably why you didn't get it before...
[10:03] <astraljava> 'll mention that.
[10:03] <knome> well, xfce 4.10 is coming some time
[10:03] <astraljava> Yeah, and I couldn't even add it to my google calendar as that's not my email.
[10:03] <knome> :)
[10:07] <astraljava> I don't suppose I can have a secondary email on that?
[10:08] <knome> ask skaet :)
[10:08] <knome> told her he mistyped it though, you should be able to add it now
[10:08] <knome> she
[10:08] <knome> ..
[10:09] <astraljava> No, I'm getting it to my kapsi address, but that's not my google calendar address.
[10:09] <knome> aha
[10:09] <knome> in that case, d'oh!
[10:10] <knome> i asked her to add that if it's okay
[10:10] <knome> seems like it's not.
[10:12] <astraljava> Oh it's okay, there just was a link I could use to add myself automatically. I'll just have to manually do that now, no problem.
[10:12] <knome> heh :)
[10:13] <knome> so, any plans for the evening?
[10:13] <knome> (which i did ask you already)
[10:13] <astraljava> I'm meeting with a few colleagues. Oh yeah, you did. I forgot, sorry.
[10:13] <knome> heh, no problem
[10:13] <knome> have fun then :)
[10:14] <astraljava> We still have some training tomorrow, but it's technically the last night, so.. :)
[10:14] <knome> lol
[10:14]  * knome just created all the blueprints
[10:14] <knome> that's going to give me a massive amount of LP karma
[10:18] <mr_pouit> (xfce 4.10 is already in quantal)
[10:23] <ochosi> knome lives for the LP karma :)
[10:23] <knome> haha
[10:23] <knome> not really
[10:23]  * knome is eating some garlic ciabatta
[10:24] <mr_pouit> knome: opinion is like won't fix
[10:24] <mr_pouit> (for the double click time bug)
[10:24] <knome> mr_pouit, ssshh!
[10:26] <mr_pouit> knome: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ any idea why there's no topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu?
[10:28] <knome> mr_pouit, skaet just approved it today, probably appearing soonish
[10:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: i assume there's no way of distinguishing whether an ogg is a video or audio?
[10:34] <knome> except mime type magic (eg. read the file)
[10:34] <ochosi> yeah, prolly
[10:34] <mr_pouit> even with mime magic it's not obvious
[10:34] <ochosi> not sure
[10:34] <ochosi> it's just that thunar seems to detect that file as audio (which it is) while catfish says it's a video
[10:34] <knome> mr_pouit, well at *some point* it has to be ;)
[10:35] <mr_pouit> e.g. I had to open them with taglib and check them for validity to detect it's an audio file
[10:35] <ochosi> one way could be by looking whether it has tags
[10:35] <ochosi> right
[10:35] <mr_pouit> (otherwise thunar-media-tags-plugin would crash trying to tag an ogg video file)
[10:35] <ochosi> i think it's odd that there still arent any tags for videos
[10:35] <knome> video files can't have tags?
[10:35] <knome> :)
[10:35] <ochosi> not that i know of
[10:35] <knome> yeah
[10:36] <ochosi> ok guys, i gotta go now, have a friend's wedding this afternoon
[10:36] <ochosi> i'll be back sometime tomorrow
[10:36] <knome> oh, have fun, and tell congrats to him/her ;)
[10:36] <ochosi> yeah, i'll tell both of them :)
[10:36] <knome> hihi
[10:36] <knome> good!
[10:36] <ochosi> :)
[10:36] <ochosi> see y'all
[10:36] <knome> i suppose you are giving them a xubuntu cd for present too? :P
[10:37] <ochosi> obviously
[10:37] <knome> hehe
[10:37]  * knome is off too, at least for a moment
[10:59] <mr_pouit> knome: I've added work items to some blueprints, please fix them, sometimes I don't really known what is meant in the spec :P (e.g. rethink elementary-xfce icons)
[12:13] <laite> One thing that has annoyed me with xfce4-indicator-plugin is that there is no tooltip for sound indicator (that would say 'volume: 56%' or something similar). Should I report this as a 'bug' in launchpad or is there some better way?
[12:16] <mr_pouit> laite: is there a tooltip for indicator-sound with unity?
[12:16] <mr_pouit> yes -> bug for xfce4-indicator-plugin, no -> wishlist bug for indicator-sound, I guess
[12:17] <laite> mr_pouit: I have no idea, haven't used unity in ages
[12:17] <mr_pouit> maybe someone here has, let's wait a bit :P
[12:17] <laite> =)
[13:10] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: I was actually going to work on the filetype filters next.  We'll see how well it goes.
[13:10] <knome> :)
[13:10] <knome> bluesabre, hm, you are this sean davis, right? https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis
[13:11] <bluesabre> yes
[13:12] <knome> good
[13:12] <knome> just confusing since you haven't added your irc nick there
[13:12] <bluesabre> oh
[13:12] <bluesabre> I should do that
[13:12] <bluesabre> :D
[13:12] <knome> you are now the assignee to some blueprints
[13:13] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis
[13:13] <astraljava> Oh, we have blueprints now?
[13:13] <knome> astraljava, yeah, i created them today
[13:13] <knome> bluesabre, you could go through adding the work items with ochosi
[13:13] <astraljava> Whee! But I won't update the release mail anyhoo.
[13:14] <knome> bluesabre, but basically, edit the work items -section with [assignee_for_item] What to do: PROGRESS
[13:14] <knome> bluesabre, where PROGRESS is... BLOCKED, TODO, INPROGRESS, DONE
[13:15] <knome> or POSTPONED :)
[13:15] <knome> bluesabre, if there are bugs related to any blueprint, there's a tool to link them - you don't need to add a work item for a bug, that's done automatically
[13:16] <knome> bluesabre, there's a more thorough guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto
[13:16] <knome> bluesabre, or you can just ask the channel :)
[13:16] <bluesabre> Thanks! 
[13:17] <knome> np, just don't hesitate to ask since it's for the good for all of us
[17:18] <knome> is there any technical reason why ~xubuntu-dev or ~xubuntu-website should be members of ~xubuntu-team
[17:18] <knome> at least for -website, i don't think there is