[00:41] <xwalk> Could anyone tell me what is wrong with this crontab I made? My cron daemon is running and I have still yet to see the command that I specify in the file execute. http://ideone.com/4m6NJ
[00:46] <Guest45739> hi
[00:46] <Guest45739> can you help me¿?
[00:48] <Guest45739> can you read me?
[00:50] <holstein> !ask | Guest45739
[00:51] <Guest45739> well
[00:52] <Guest45739> i try to explore a XFS file format HD
[00:52] <Guest45739> with xubuntu livecd
[00:52] <Guest45739> i get an error: Error mounting: mount: Structure needs cleaning
[00:53] <holstein> Guest45739: i would test the drive
[00:54] <holstein> Guest45739: i would try another live CD.. live a system rescue one
[00:55] <Guest45739> you?
[00:55] <holstein> Guest45739: thats what my suggestion to you would be, thats what i would do if i saw that message
[00:56] <holstein> i assume you are mounting it from a live CD as a rescue attempt? the drive could be bad
[00:56] <Guest45739> is a usb drive
[00:56] <holstein> Guest45739: but, yes... "i" refers to me, as to what i would do assuming i were looking at that message
[00:57] <holstein> Guest45739: if you have windows on that machine, and you are booting linux to try and rescue a USB stick, look into something running photorec
[00:57] <holstein> its part of testdisk http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[00:58] <holstein> its in the repos for ubuntu... i use it with a live CD from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[00:58] <Guest45739> i tried torepair with testdisk
[00:58] <Guest45739> but failed
[00:59] <holstein> Guest45739: photorec from the testdisk suite will get the data from the stick.. assuming it can be recovered
[00:59] <holstein> Guest45739: otherwise, linux is not magic... i wouldnt expect to pop in a live CD and just boot that USB stick if its failing
[00:59] <holstein> i would run photorec on it and let it run as long as you can...
[01:00] <Guest45739> what photorec can do?
[01:00] <holstein> Guest45739: for me, i use photorec on *any* hard drive that wont mount and has data that i would like to recover
[01:01] <Guest45739> well
[01:01] <holstein> Guest45739: photorec can do anything from recover the data to nothing at all
[01:01] <holstein> i let it work on an SD card i had overnite and it recovered everything
[01:02] <Guest45739> i use the hd to record from samsung smart tv
[01:02] <Guest45739> this tv use xfs file system
[01:03] <holstein> Guest45739: doesnt matter what you use it for.. if its trashed, photorec is your best bet, other than taking it to a professional
[01:03] <holstein> they will likely use photorec though
[01:03] <holstein> Guest45739: doesnt matter what file system either... it'll either get the data, or not
[01:04] <Guest45739> when i play a record the disk fail
[01:04] <Guest45739> and the tv can not recognize it
[01:05] <holstein> Guest45739: correct
[01:05] <holstein> Guest45739: that is what i would expect to see from a failing disk
[01:05] <holstein> Guest45739: is that what you are suspecting?
[01:06] <Guest45739> what?
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: seems like the disk is dea, and its a proprietary format that may not allow you to do much with it as far as recovery
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: im asking you if you suspect the drive is failing?
[01:06] <Guest45739> no
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: OK
[01:06] <Guest45739> i don't
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: then just pop it in the computer and mount it
[01:07] <Guest45739> in windows with a program i can view the files
[01:07] <holstein> cool
[01:07] <Guest45739> and directorys
[01:07] <holstein> grab them
[01:07] <holstein> gota go! good luck
[01:08] <holstein> Guest45739: i think it would do you well to accept that the drive could be failing.. or that it needs to be formated at least
[01:08] <holstein> just my opinion.. i usually just test and confirm that the drive is good :)
[01:08] <holstein> later!
[01:08] <Guest45739> i don't want to format it
[01:09] <Guest45739> and i can't play the drm files
[01:09] <chelz> dd the partition and run fsck?
[01:09] <Guest45739> only i need is to repair the file system and try that the tv recognize the hd
[01:10] <chelz> a tv uses xfs?
[01:10] <Guest45739> yes
[01:10] <Guest45739> i don't undertand your first question
[01:10] <chelz> oh
[01:11] <chelz> Guest45739: how do you know it uses xfs?
[01:11] <chelz> Guest45739: do you want the drive to work or to get data off of it?
[01:11] <Guest45739> to work
[01:11] <Guest45739> with the data
[01:12] <Guest45739> i don't want to format it
[01:12] <Guest45739> do you know xfstest command for linux console?
[01:13] <holstein> move the data off with DD... reformat... put it back
[01:13] <Guest45739> dd?
[01:13] <chelz> Guest45739: open a terminal and type "man dd"
[01:16] <Guest45739> Error mounting: mount: Structure needs cleaning
[01:19] <Guest45739> i prefer no use the terminal
[01:20] <Guest45739> because i don'y know what i'm doing
[01:25] <xubuntu939> hi there
[01:26] <xubuntu939> need help please?
[01:26] <xubuntu939> regarding partitioning?
[01:26] <xubuntu939> anyone?
[01:26] <Unit193> !ask
[01:26] <xubuntu939> how to do partitioning?
[01:27] <Guest45739> with gparted?
[01:27] <Unit193> Generally gparted is the best tool, but that still doesn't say what you need to do, so harder to answer. :P
[01:28] <xubuntu939> well im doing a dual boot for Windows 7 and Xubuntu
[01:28] <xubuntu939> i already installed WIndows and left a 100GB disk space for the installation of xubuntu
[01:31] <xubuntu939> hello?
[01:32] <Unit193> The installer should generally give you an option.
[01:33] <Guest45739> Unit193,  did you read me before?
[01:33] <xubuntu939> i can see here /dev/sda1 ntfs
[01:34] <Unit193> Trying to mount? ntfs-3g for NTFS.
[01:34] <xubuntu939> no no
[01:34] <xubuntu939> i have a free space here
[01:34] <xubuntu939> 100gb
[01:34] <xubuntu939> but i dont know how to partition say like / or swap or /home etc
[01:35] <Unit193> It should do it for you just fine.
[01:36] <xubuntu939> how can i use gparted if i havent installed xubuntu yet?
[01:36] <Unit193> < Unit193> The installer should generally give you an option.     The installer should let you "use largest unused space"
[01:37] <xubuntu939> so if i let the installer do it for me.. it wont touch any ntfs drives?
[01:39] <xubuntu939> ?
[01:40] <Unit193> Unless you check the wrong one, otherwise it'll be fine.  It's always recommended you to backup the NTFS one.
[05:48] <mekazu> is it possible to get unity running on xubuntu? I find xubuntu doesn't have any great ways of swapping between windows when there are lots
[05:48] <mekazu> it's a bit too windows xp and not enough osx entourage
[05:49] <mekazu> I'm not sure if unity is the solution, but it would be worth trying I guess
[05:50] <chelz> mekazu: a lot of what powers unity is compiz, you might be fine just with a tweaked compiz
[05:51] <chelz> personally i prefer the 'windows xp' style stuff and all this stuff adding docks and weird exposé stuff is laggy
[07:46] <SandJ> mekazu - if you want unity, why run Xubuntu?  For me the point of moving from Ubuntu to Xubuntu was to escape from unity.
[08:45] <nbjensen> Hi all. Is there any way I can change thunars standard open behavior for shell scripts without a file extension such as configure?
[09:49] <AndreeeCZ> hi, I am running 12.04 on aspire one, and when i run on battery, wifi doesn't work. What could be the problem? Thx
[10:55] <recon69_lap> hi, cant seem to get any sound from web radio stations?
[10:57] <recon69_lap> never mind. f'n earphugs where is, turn off main sound :(
[13:50] <Os_Maleus> AndreeeCZ: guess, You have to check the driver to the adapter that is built into the machine.
[13:51] <Os_Maleus> lspci should give You some hint for that.
[13:51] <Os_Maleus> what does 'ifconfig' tell to You?
[13:52] <Os_Maleus> do You find there something like "eth0"?
[13:53] <Os_Maleus> or "eth1"?
[14:04] <xubuntu898> hi there
[14:09] <drc> hello
[14:14] <xubuntu233> algum brasileiro aki?
[14:14] <xubuntu233> hello
[14:15] <drc> hello
[14:16] <xubuntu233> do you speak portuguese?
[14:16] <drc> no
[14:17] <drc> !br
[14:17] <drc> !pt
[14:17] <xubuntu233> ok ok tnks
[14:18] <drc> no problem
[14:43]  * drc was wondering why there was a ! br but no ! pt, even though ! br makes reference to #ubuntu-pt?
[14:47]  * GridCube thinks that maybe portuguese people goes to pt before, and brazillian people things there should be a br, instead of pt (being that there are 10.000.000 portuguese and 300.000.000 brazilians...)
[14:48] <drc> wow...Brazilians reproduce fast...last time i looked, there were ~190 million :)
[14:51] <GridCube> ups :P 194
[14:51] <GridCube> still thats 2000% more
[14:53] <drc> true
[15:00] <Artemis3> and there are more spanish speakers in latin american countries than the whole of spain, so where is our ubuntu-latam? ;)
[15:11] <bazhang> Artemis3, check the loco guide for possible channels, groups
[15:11] <bazhang> !loco | Artemis3
[17:13] <ball> In Xubuntu, is there a command I can type to identify the model number of each hard disk?
[17:13] <holstein> i would try the disk utility... though it might depend on the hardware
[17:14] <ball> holstein: let me see if I can find that
[17:15] <drc> Is disk utility included by default?
[17:16] <drc> I seem to remember having to add it....
[17:16] <Sysi> smartctl tells it, not installed by default
[17:16] <GridCube> sudo lshw
[17:18] <Hello_mr_man> Hello! Im having problems installing Xubuntu on an "Acer aspire One" (from USB) Screen freezes and flickers on Xubuntu loading bar, in both install and run-from-usb. Any help would be apprechiated
[17:19] <GridCube> Hello_mr_man, check your ISO integrity, against its md5, if its ok, i recommend you to use the alternate ISO
[17:19] <Hello_mr_man> how do i do that? (Im new to linux)
[17:19]  * ball tries smartctl
[17:19] <ball> GridCube: That gave useful info too, thanks for that.
[17:19] <GridCube> ball, use sudo lshw
[17:20] <GridCube> :)
[17:20] <Sysi> GridCube: but that gives *tons* of unuseful info about rest of hardware:P
[17:20] <GridCube> !md5 | Hello_mr_man
[17:21] <GridCube> Sysi, :P welp yeah
[17:21] <Sysi> if you downloaded via torrent, that's not really needed
[17:22] <Hello_mr_man> btw: i downloaded via torrent, and made USB with Universal-USB-Installer-1.8.9.8,
[17:22] <GridCube> if you torrented then you have the correct file
[17:23] <GridCube> mmm Hello_mr_man you can try using unetbootin
[17:23] <GridCube> it never failed me
[17:23] <Sysi> format the stick first (fat32)
[17:24] <Hello_mr_man> y i formated the stick using windows xp built-in
[17:24] <GridCube> Sysi, sudo lshw -class storage
[17:24] <Hello_mr_man> is unetbootin an alternative to Universal-USB-Installer?
[17:25] <GridCube> Hello_mr_man, never used that one, i always make my boot usb with unetbootin
[17:25] <ball> GridCube: That got it.  Thanks
[17:25] <Sysi> Hello_mr_man: I'd say other way round
[17:25] <ball> Interesting to see how much more information you get when you run that sudo root
[17:25] <Hello_mr_man> Thx guys! Ill try that, and get back to you
[17:30] <Hello_mr_man> btw: What differs between atandard and alternate xubuntu version?
[17:31] <Sysi> alternate is text-based installation (not really harder but different)
[17:31] <Hello_mr_man> ok ty
[17:31] <ball> Doesn't alternate also include ltsp?
[17:31] <Sysi> yeah
[17:31] <ball> I need to try that at some point.
[17:32] <Hello_mr_man> do i have to do something with the "space used to preserve files across reboots"option during ISO-shizzle?
[17:33] <Hello_mr_man> (in UNetbootin)
[17:35] <gordonjcp> Hello_mr_man: no
[17:35] <gordonjcp> not if you don't want to
[17:36] <Hello_mr_man> ok ty
[17:36] <gordonjcp> also, recent .iso images can just be dd'ed to a USB stick
[17:36] <gordonjcp> you don't need to muck about with unetbootin and put up with its crappy broken bootloader
[17:37] <Hello_mr_man> and is it okay to format USB using winXP?
[17:37] <Sysi> should be
[17:38] <Sysi> gordonjcp: I prefer that too, but for newcomer it's not really nice if you don't have linux yet and you need to fiddle with stick afterwards anyway
[17:41] <Hello_mr_man> on something else: Im installing this on a friends computer, and he has no clue about anything PC-related. Will he survive with xubuntu?
[17:42] <drc> gordonjcp: On the other hand, I like to take my boot-USB's and make a partition for the ISO, and another that contains all the config files and such I need for a new install.
[17:42] <drc> Everything but Big Data on one stick.
[17:43] <cypher-neo> Hello_mr_man, If he has no clue, he won't know the difference. ;)
[17:44] <Sysi> not (much) worse than with any other OS
[17:44] <drc> unless he suddenly wants to play skyrim :(
[17:45] <Sysi> or watch silverlight videos
[17:45] <Hello_mr_man> hahaha
[17:45] <Hello_mr_man> Is the ubuntu distr supporting flash?
[17:45] <Sysi> adobe flash is available
[17:46] <Hello_mr_man> good
[17:47] <Hello_mr_man> dammit, i got the same flickering during installation load with unetbootin
[17:47] <Hello_mr_man> does it use vga in installation?
[17:48] <Hello_mr_man> i think the internal gpu may be damaged
[17:49] <GridCube> use the alternate iso
[17:50] <Hello_mr_man> ok
[17:55] <Hello_mr_man> does it have same functionality after installation?
[17:56] <Sysi> yup
[18:10] <Hello_mr_man> should i make the xubuntu Alternate USB using UNetbootin? (im noob)
[18:11] <GridCube> yes
[18:11] <Hello_mr_man> ok
[18:21] <Hello_mr_man> Is it possible to run antivirus from linuxbootable usb, that detects windows viruses on hd?
[18:22] <Unit193> That's the idea behind trinityTRK.
[18:22] <Hello_mr_man> ill check it out
[18:24] <Hello_mr_man> ty, that one seemed great
[18:28] <Hello_mr_man> can i use unetbooting to make bootable trinityTRK usb?
[18:30] <Hello_mr_man> np, there was a noobfriendly exefile there :P
[18:38] <Hello_mr_man> Question (While im waiting for installation): What can xubuntu not do, that ubuntu can?
[18:40] <holstein> Hello_mr_man: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:40] <holstein> main ubuntu doesnt come with XFCE.. thats what xubuntu has...
[18:40] <Hello_mr_man> so the interface is the only difference?
[18:40] <Unit193> Interface, defauolt programs and settings, nothing else really.
[18:40] <holstein> Hello_mr_man: the default configuration... correct.. not just the interface..
[18:41] <Hello_mr_man> ok ty guys!
[18:42] <Hello_mr_man> do you have some noobfriendly programs to recommend?
[18:42] <holstein> nope... some advice
[18:42] <Hello_mr_man> media/browsing etc
[18:42] <holstein> keep it simple.. use the defaults... test things on the live CD, and in the guest account, or in another user account
[18:43] <Hello_mr_man> ok
[18:45] <mr_man> (im installing xubuntu alternate now) What is LVM?  (in the partition options)
[18:46] <mr_man> "use entire disk and set up LVM" - what is LVM?
[18:47] <drc> Little Vert Men ?
[18:47] <mr_man> really?
[18:47] <mr_man> strange option
[18:47] <drc> no...joke
[18:47] <mr_man> :P
[18:47] <Unit193> You shouldn't need it if you don't know it. :P
[18:47] <Unit193> Basically.
[18:47] <mr_man> haha
[18:47] <mr_man> ok
[18:47] <ball> Logical Voume Manager, at a guess
[18:47] <mr_man> ty
[18:47] <ball> (disk pooling?)
[18:47] <drc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29
[18:48] <ball> Volume*
[18:48] <Unit193> !lvm |this too
[18:49] <mr_man> damn i love open source community! Creds to all of you! <3 <3 <3
[18:50] <ball> I love pie.
[18:50] <mr_man> pie also
[18:50] <drc> mmmm....bacon pie
[18:51] <mr_man> blueberry*
[18:51] <ball> Pecan Pie
[18:52] <Unit193> Pumpkin Pie, all the way.  Anywho, LVM is useful if you want to encrypt your drive too.
[18:53] <mr_man> ok ty, that wont be a problem, i guess this computer will be for strictly youtube/porn-purposes
[18:53] <mr_man> :P
[18:53] <gordonjcp> chicken and mushroom pie
[18:53] <ball> Pumpkin pie is a close second to Pecan pie in my experience.
[18:53]  * ball doesn't eat chickens
[18:53] <gordonjcp> and you generally don't want disk encryption
[18:54] <mr_man> i dont think we have these pies in norway
[18:54] <gordonjcp> disks are slow enough as it is
[18:54] <mr_man> y
[18:55]  * ball wonders what a cloudberry pie would taste like
[18:58]  * drc wonders how one encrypts a chicken and mushroom pie?
[18:59] <ball> I could certainly render a mushroom pie unreadable.
[18:59] <ball> ...good luck getting it back though.
[19:00] <ball> mr_man: Where do you live?
[19:00] <mr_man> norway, bergen
[19:01] <mr_man> ball: you could perhaps uncompress it after gutteral decryption? (this is my first go at linux-humor)
[19:01]  * ball chuckles
[19:01] <mr_man> yay! success!
[19:02] <Sysi> /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:02] <mr_man> roger
[19:05] <mr_man> during installation i get this: "installation step failed: 'select and install software'"
[19:05] <mr_man> what to do?
[19:05] <mr_man> skip?
[19:06] <crond> mr_man, you using USB stick install or CD?
[19:07] <mr_man> usb
[19:07] <crond> cause that happens when the USB is written badly.
[19:07] <mr_man> its after the "automatic updates" option
[19:07] <mr_man> aah
[19:07] <crond> I've had it occur more than once
[19:08] <mr_man> i used unetbootin in windows
[19:08] <crond> just wipe it and try again.  I've had success with http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[19:08] <crond> instead of unetbootin
[19:08] <mr_man> ok
[19:08] <mr_man> ty alot
[19:08] <GridCube> mr_man, i think your pendrive is faulty
[19:08] <bluesabre> +1 for LiLi
[19:09] <mr_man> how come?
[19:09] <crond> mr_man, worst case you CAN boot into the system if it fails on that part if you write grub to the MBR, and then manually edit your sources.list in vi, and then apt-get update and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[19:09] <mr_man> can i test this somehow?
[19:09] <crond> not that I've ever had that happen... lol
[19:09] <crond> mr_man, USB may be fine, I've had the same issue, re-written the USB, and then had it work.
[19:10] <mr_man> ill try that first then
[19:12] <mr_man> i read somewhere that the windows fat32 format sometimes was faulty, could this be it?
[19:13] <bluesabre> A full (not quick) fat32 format with windows might take care of things
[19:13] <bluesabre> or if it errors out, it would alert you to faultiness of the USB
[19:14] <mr_man> no errors, no quic format - it should be ok?
[19:14] <bluesabre> Ideally :)
[19:14] <mr_man> wow! All dis gui!!! i dont even!! (LiLi USB creator)
[19:14] <bluesabre> haha
[19:15] <crond> mr_man, haha yeah
[19:15] <bluesabre> and if you look really hard, you'll see the usb symbol in the background.  Probably took me a year before I noticed it
[19:15] <bluesabre> (if you more observant, it probably is more obvious)
[19:16] <mr_man> hehe
[19:18] <mr_man> in LiLi: "not on compability list"
[19:19] <mr_man> is this ok?
[19:20] <GridCube> no idea
[19:21] <bluesabre> Should be fine.  It will use the generic syslinux settings, and you'll boot to the xubuntu desktop instead of the install or desktop menu
[19:21] <mr_man> i just went ahead using "regular linux "
[19:21] <bluesabre> But the Install Xubuntu will still be on the desktop
[19:21] <bluesabre> That should be fine
[19:25] <mr_man> does any hardware usually need drivers install after completed installation?
[19:26] <Sysi> graphics cards may do
[19:26] <mr_man> ok
[19:27] <mr_man> in that case, where do i find the correct drivers?
[19:27] <mr_man> its an integrated gpu
[19:29] <mr_man> another question: Is there a way to check the usb integrity etc?
[19:29] <mr_man> after making it using LiLi?
[19:29] <crond> mr_man, intel integrated?
[19:29] <crond> you won't need drivers for that
[19:29] <mr_man> i think its amd
[19:30] <mr_man> 2 sec
[19:30] <crond> amd you'll by default use the open source radeon driver
[19:30] <crond> you can then install catalyst (fglrx) later if you like
[19:30] <mr_man> no its intel atom something
[19:30] <crond> ok then intel gma, no drivers needed
[19:30] <mr_man> nice
[19:30] <mr_man> ty
[19:30] <crond> they're 'built in'.
[19:30] <crond> np
[19:31] <mr_man> but do you know if i can check if my USBstick is faulty somehow?
[19:33] <mr_man> or damaged or something
[19:50] <mr_man> can i choose not to use internet during installation, and only use files from iso?
[19:53] <mr_man> new question: If my previous installation failed, could the leftover files interrupt the new installation?
[19:53] <drc> mr_man: are you formating the partition(s) each time you (re)install?
[19:54] <mr_man> y
[19:54] <drc> if yes, then no
[19:54] <mr_man> ok ty
[19:55] <mr_man> hfhusiafhuishuaif
[19:55] <mr_man> installation step failed - again
[19:55] <mr_man> at the same plave
[19:55] <mr_man> place*
[19:55] <mr_man> "select and install software"
[19:55] <mr_man> any ideas?
[19:55] <drc> what step was that (again)?
[19:56] <mr_man> "select and install software" didnt see exactly what setup was doing at the time
[19:57] <mr_man> it was just after installing language pack i think
[19:57] <drc> Could it have been at the install grub step?  I have seen it fail at that step for me if I'm not careful when I tell it to install the grub (which is earlier in the process)
[19:57] <mr_man> "the grub"?
[19:58] <mr_man> no it was before the "GRUB" option
[19:58] <mr_man> after "configure the package manager"
[19:58] <drc> ok...any chance you can use a cd ? :)
[19:59] <mr_man> no it doesnt have cd rom, and i havnt got any external to use
[20:00] <mr_man> and its an small laptop(netbook?), so i dont think i could easily install using the HD in another pc
[20:01] <mr_man> any ideas??
[20:02] <drc> Ok, if it fails at exactly the same place...and the md5 check passes...and you're not geting any error on installing it to the USB...I admit to being completly baffeled.
[20:02] <mr_man> hehe
[20:02] <mr_man> all above is true
[20:02] <mr_man> i havent done md5 check, but uset torrent to dl
[20:03] <drc> It's going to turn out to be one of those times that if one was there seeing <everything> it wuld be obvious :)
[20:03] <mr_man> yeah probably :P
[20:03] <mr_man> should i try skipping the step?
[20:03] <mr_man> got nothing to lose:P
[20:05] <mr_man> do you know what the "select and install" step actually does?
[20:05] <mr_man> the "base system" is installed
[20:05] <mr_man> so
[20:05] <mr_man> what software is it installing?
[20:06] <mr_man> no one?
[20:07] <mr_man> ill try again, and try to see exactly where it goes wrong
[20:08] <mr_man> it is after "running tasksel..." on the "please wait" on 85%
[20:08] <mr_man> does this help?
[20:09] <drc> mr_man: This is over my pay grade :(
[20:09] <mr_man> hehe
[20:09] <holstein> mr_man: you dont have to select and install anything there
[20:09] <mr_man> can i just skip it?
[20:09] <holstein> its all available after you install... it will install whatever you select from there
[20:10] <mr_man> wow
[20:10] <mr_man> great!
[20:10] <genma> hey, im trying to save some data with ntfsundelete, but I need to unmount /dev/sda2, whats the propepr way to do so sudu unmount dindt work
[20:10] <holstein> mr_man: you can do as you please... i skip it
[20:10] <mr_man> ill try it, thanks!
[20:10] <drc> mr_man: was this using the alternate version?
[20:12] <mr_man> yes
[20:12] <drc> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :)
[20:12] <mr_man> hehehe
[20:13] <mr_man> have the bafflement been uncalled for?
[20:13] <mr_man> has*
[20:13] <drc> not really, i have only used it once (quite a while ago)...but some things make sense now.
[20:13] <mr_man> hehe ok
[20:14] <mr_man> problem: The computer is going crazy here!
[20:14] <mr_man> starting/stopping something so fast i cant see what its doing
[20:15] <mr_man> something: "/2478414 blocks" and "daemon"
[20:15] <mr_man> total crazy
[20:16] <mr_man> Starting System (something i cant see)      [ OK ]
[20:16] <mr_man> been going like that for a couple of minutes
[20:17] <mr_man> i think this computer is having some serious problems
[20:18] <Sysi> genma: sudo umount
[20:18] <holstein> mr_man: i would test the hardware if you think something is wrong... i would try and see the desktop with one of the live CD's as a test, to see how the hardware is supported
[20:18] <mr_man> ok
[20:18] <mr_man> ill do that
[20:18] <mr_man> could it be some kinda kernel/ram virus or something?
[20:19] <holstein> mr_man: not sure what that means.. it could be a bad iso, could be bad hardware, could be bad hardware support
[20:20] <mr_man> hehe me neither, ill try the live versions out
[20:20] <holstein> if you are asking if the image you downloaded is infected with a virus, then if you downloaded it from the official channels, then no
[20:21] <holstein> mr_man: one good generel thing to keep in mind is that these images are tested, and do work for lots of folks on as many hardware cases as possible, out of the box
[20:21] <rarog70> привет!
[20:23] <Unit193> !ru | rarog70
[20:25] <mr_man> is it possible the dl got corrupt, even if DL via torrent?
[20:26] <holstein> !md5 | mr_man
[20:27] <holstein> just verify the iso, then you'll know :)
[20:27] <recon69_lap> mr_man: what are your computers specs, the CD can self test, there is an boot option
[20:27] <Sysi> torrent does md5(-like) checksum by itself
[20:28] <mr_man> ill selftest the new iso, ill check hardware specs now
[20:28] <recon69_lap> mr_man: it's strange for a install to fail if a live cd works
[20:29] <recon69_lap> mr_man: a badly written CD is most likely cause.
[20:31] <mr_man> yes, ive tried 3 times using: LinuxLive USB Creator 2.8.12 , unetbootin-windows-575 , and a third i dont remember, without getting any errors
[20:32] <recon69_lap> mr_man: can you boot any of the cd's to a live session without installing?
[20:32] <mr_man> i only tried that the first time using the desktop version, but that didnt work. But that was using a iso2usb that was supposed to be bad for xubuntu
[20:34] <recon69_lap> mr_man first thing is to get a live session going, you can install from that. so do the cd self check, and then boot to a live session. let us know if you get stuck anywhere
[20:35] <mr_man> ok thanks, do i need the desktop version for that, or can i use the alternate
[20:35] <mr_man> ?
[20:36] <recon69_lap> mr_man: you are booting from a CD to a live session. you need very little
[20:36] <drc> recon69_lap: no cd...it's a usb
[20:37] <recon69_lap> mr_man: the alt CD installs without a graphical user interface, avoiding some memory/grapical/net issues. not a solution for most people
[20:40] <recon69_lap> mr_man: you alive? you using a CD or a USB?
[20:41] <mr_man> hehe sorry, USB
[20:41] <mr_man> PC is a netbook
[20:41] <mr_man> which i cant find specs for online
[20:41] <mr_man> acer aspire one ZG5
[20:41] <recon69_lap> can you boot menu from the usb?
[20:42] <recon69_lap> can you get the boot menu from the USB
[20:42] <mr_man> y
[20:43] <mr_man> im creating new USB now using LiLi
[20:47] <recon69_lap> mr_man: seem to meet min specs
[20:47] <mr_man> where did u find specs?
[20:47] <mr_man> (its a friends computer)
[20:47] <recon69_lap> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200905-2911/
[20:48] <mr_man> nice
[20:48] <mr_man> ty
[20:49] <recon69_lap> mr_man: min specs on wikipedia where move than min specs for usb install
[20:49] <mr_man> ?
[20:54] <recon69_lap> mr_man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One , smallest one has 512mb, which is bigger that 256mb http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[20:54] <mr_man> ok
[20:54] <mr_man> ty
[20:55] <mr_man> but regardding HW support, i only know its a poor intel atom processor, and integrated GPU, but this should be ok?
[20:57] <recon69_lap> mr_man: really need proper make/model number to have any hope of checking. it should work, easy way of checking is wilt a live USB.
[20:58] <mr_man> y ill try that now, when LiLi is finished doing its magic
[20:58] <crond> mr_man, it'll work just fine.
[20:58] <holstein> intel is typically well supported out of the box... works great on my asus EEE pc's
[20:59] <mr_man> thats actually bad news, since i suspect this pc may have some HWissues
[20:59] <mr_man> :P
[20:59] <mr_man> one thing i didnt understand: does the alternate version not support live from USB?
[21:00] <recon69_lap> mr_man: been ages since i used a alt cd, was from the bad old days of having to set up your own video driver.
[21:00] <mr_man> hehe
[21:00] <mr_man> hardcore!
[21:04] <mr_man> the USB now failed the MD5 checksum verification
[21:04] <mr_man> hmmmmz
[21:05] <mr_man> does it matter what file it was that failed?
[21:06] <mr_man> it says that its "checking CD-ROM integrity" , i am using USB...
[21:06] <mr_man> does this mean anything?
[21:07] <recon69_lap> mr_man: well, not looking great. you can try boot to the live session see if it works.
[21:08] <xubuntu947> Hola, hola...
[21:08] <recon69_lap> mr_man: Let me check with my USB live, be back in a bit :)
[21:08] <mr_man> k
[21:08] <xubuntu947> I have a question...
[21:08] <recon69_lap> mr_man: also check the MD5 checksum of the ISO you downloaded
[21:09] <xubuntu947> I have problems getting sound though the HDMI to the tv.
[21:11] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: can be a challenge :)
[21:11] <mr_man> btw: is the LiLi USB Creator okay to use with xubuntu?
[21:12] <xubuntu947> Through.
[21:12] <xubuntu947> I have research but no solutions found :(
[21:14] <xubuntu947> Actually my laptop Toshiba crashed trying to fox the smurf effect in YouTube.
[21:14] <xubuntu947> Fix, sorry.
[21:14] <xubuntu947> The people appear blue-skin.
[21:15] <xubuntu947> Then I had to reinstall Ubuntu but now I have Xubuntu.
[21:15] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: well, I used to have to change the sound hardware device in 10.04, not sure about xubuntu though, have not used HDMI yet
[21:16] <xubuntu947> I think it is controlled by the Nvidia card.
[21:16] <xubuntu947> My laptop has a 8700 GT.
[21:18] <xubuntu947> I am not sure if Nvidia controls it or anocther program but I am having the same issue with Xubuntu and previously with Ubuntu 12.04.
[21:18] <recon69_lap> god usb is slow
[21:19] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: and have you look at sound settings ?
[21:20] <xubuntu947> Yes. When I select HDMI as the device for output nothing sounds.
[21:20] <xubuntu947> I just can see the image on the tv and that's it.
[21:20] <xubuntu947> With windows it works.
[21:20] <xubuntu947> I have vista as another OS.
[21:21] <xubuntu947> In this same laptop.
[21:21] <xubuntu947> It is a Toshiba.
[21:22] <xubuntu947> I have also tried with the alsa directory but I cannot get in to it.
[21:22] <xubuntu947> The command says it does not exists but I can see it listed.
[21:22] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: have you tried all the option in "configuration" ? like "Digital Stereo output(IEC958)"
[21:23] <recon69_lap> mr_man: dont know about LiLi USB creator , have not used windows since the bad days :)
[21:24] <xubuntu947> I have tried all though... Even when I know it does not work since the sound and video does through HDMI output.
[21:24] <xubuntu947> Goes...
[21:27] <mr_man> Okay! The md5 checksum was ok, and i can run it live from USB. Should i install from the live OS, or from boot?
[21:27] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: can only say "huu?" to that
[21:30] <recon69_lap> mr_man: not likely to make a difference which way you start it, the usb appears to have errors. you could try it and hope it completes. I'l looking for a good set of "how to create a ubuntu usb stick from windows"
[21:31] <recon69_lap> mr_man: this one seems good http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[21:31] <mr_man> thanks
[21:31] <mr_man> ill check it
[21:33] <nimei> mr_man: also: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[21:33] <recon69_lap> mr_man: a USB stick should report no errors when "check CD" is run, I just checked
[21:33] <nimei> (I've had better experiences using that to copy isos to usb disks)
[21:34] <mr_man> thanks alot recon69 and nimei!
[21:36] <mr_man> ive been stuck with problems now for about 6 hours, and ive gotten a LOT of help here! Ive also learned a lot, so thanks to all of you! Its greatly apprechiated
[21:37] <mr_man> the "check cd for defects" was succesful now, so im close! SO CLOSE
[21:38] <recon69_lap> mr_man: no problem, sounds like you on the way now :)
[21:39] <recon69_lap> mr_man: but there really should be a make/model stamped/stuck on that netbook :)
[21:42] <mr_man> yes all stickers have been ripped off :P
[21:42] <mr_man> serialnumber too
[21:42] <mr_man> hehe
[21:42] <mr_man> maybe its stolen?
[21:46] <recon69_lap> mr_man: I'm indulging in apple tart,fresh cream with a bit of sugar :)
[21:46] <mr_man> hahaha
[21:46] <mr_man> great! sounds sweet
[21:46] <mr_man> i have to go for a kebab, since all stores are now closed
[21:46] <mr_man> :/
[21:48] <mr_man> btw: home made apple tart?
[21:48] <recon69_lap> have not have a good kebab in years
[21:48] <recon69_lap> lol, home made from the supermarket :)
[21:49] <mr_man> hehe, i hear the supermarket is great at making appletart
[21:55] <recon69_lap> mr_man: did it install?
[21:57] <mr_man> its working on it now, looks very good so far
[21:57] <rahul_> hey i am running ubntu 9.04 on atom, samsung netbook,  whats the best thing to do? *upgrade?/xubuntu?/what*
[21:57] <mr_man> and while it installs, i won a pokertourney ive been playing the last 3 hours, so things are now  looking great :P
[21:58] <rahul_> how do i get xubuntu on 9.04?
[22:00] <recon69_lap> rahul_: might be a good time to upgrade, 9.04 out of support , 12.04 works well for me with few issues, not a fan of unity thats why I'm here
[22:01] <ball> What's the binary name for the "Users Settings" utility?
[22:01] <Unit193> users-admin
[22:01] <ball> Thanks, I'll try that.
[22:02] <ball> Hopefully it'll let me add a user now.
[22:04] <rahul_> thanks.. but.. any ideaif i can update the os without pendrives and iso files?
[22:05] <rahul_> thanks.. but.. any ideaif i can update the os without pendrives and iso files? <recon69>
[22:05] <Unit193> From 9.04? That'd be a ton of upgrades...
[22:06] <knome> 9.04 is EOL
[22:06] <rahul_> oh.. shd i get xubuntu then.. cuz its an atom netbook.. (?)
[22:06] <Unit193> Actuallly, if you go from 9.04 > 9.10 > 10.04, you may be able to jump from that to 12, no?
[22:06] <Unit193> knome: you're op'd
[22:06] <knome> Unit193, who?
[22:06] <knome> :]
[22:07] <recon69_lap> Unit193: well, your choice. I keep a separate partition for user directories and reinstall every LTS
[22:07] <Unit193> Weird, I thought I saw someone.... Guess not.
[22:07] <knome> Unit193... 9.04 is EOL, so i don't think upgrades work
[22:07] <Unit193> Ah, then nevermind.
[22:07] <Unit193> recon69_lap: Last upgrade (11.10 > 12.04) actually was rather good.
[22:08] <recon69_lap> Unit193: would not know :) 10.04 -> 12.04, and still a bit in shock :)
[22:09] <drc> 'buntu upgrades are like windows releases...every other one works :)
[22:10] <rahul_> gettin 12.04 rightawaythen.. and moreover i have no data to loose.. :) the internet dongle shd work on it  right?
[22:12] <recon69_lap> loved Lucid Lynx , hopefully precise pangolin will be as good, but unity was just awful for me
[22:12] <knome> guys... #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:13] <recon69_lap> rahul_: you will probably need passwords for network and such
[22:23] <uskerine> hi, i would like to apply a similar theme to ambience in xubuntu (like in http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/Ambiance+&+Radiance+Themes+for+Xfce+LXDE?content=146674&PHPSESSID=ac42d45dfad2eef8194ae3e90b36755e). I download and install both colors and themes for my version but I get the window decoration still in light grey instead of dark gray, any ideas or other website suggested?
[22:25] <mr_man> no no no no no.... :( After a "succesful installation" the OS wont launch... Ill try again!
[22:26] <recon69_lap> mr_man: not much point, what happens, wont launch not much help
[22:26] <mr_man> aaarghs
[22:27] <mr_man> i dont get it. Live worked, and innstallation seemed to work
[22:27] <recon69_lap> reminds mr_man https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[22:28] <recon69_lap> the error or a description of what happened would help though !!!!
[22:29] <mr_man> only a blinking -
[22:29] <recon69_lap> mr_man: did you remove the USB?
[22:29] <mr_man> yes
[22:30] <mr_man> was that amistake?
[22:30] <recon69_lap> no, just checking the obvious first.
[22:30] <mr_man> hehe ok phew
[22:32] <recon69_lap> ok, boot back using the usb so we can see what on the netbook hdd
[22:33] <mr_man> y
[22:34] <recon69_lap> y?
[22:35] <mr_man> ill try the "recovery menu" first
[22:37] <mr_man> when loading memorystick i now get the GNU GRUB menu
[22:37] <mr_man> hmm
[22:38] <mr_man> have i managed to install the OS on the USB!?!? haha!
[22:38] <mr_man> what?
[22:38] <mr_man> no
[22:38] <mr_man> cant be
[22:38] <mr_man> 2 sec