[02:21] could we have a user removed at #ubntuforums Transhumanist [02:21] #ubuntuforums [02:21] xrated spam [03:35] wilee-nilee, Your request will be processed and we do not permit idling here. Thanks [04:32] bazhang go to my channel <--- keeps soliciting people to help him in his channel [04:32] seems like offtopic, and advertising [04:51] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from harris) [05:09] all the notifier bots seem to be down [10:31] hey Inquisitor thanks for joining [10:32] no prob [10:32] Inquisitor: care to explain what that bot is all about please ? [10:32] i m connecting towards few network at a same time [10:32] but is a trouble to connect each 1 at the same time [10:32] so i made up a server to connect all different network channels [10:32] at my own server [10:32] :) [10:32] ok, but that bot was relaying other peoples conversation into #ubuntu [10:33] so it was "spamming" ubuntu [10:33] pbd: can we help you ? [10:33] is not spamming [10:33] i was actually talking [10:33] Inquisitor: what is it doing then ? [10:33] just now [10:33] if i chat on my server chan it will auto relay to #ubuntu [10:33] Inquisitor: yes, but that bot is relaying your conversations from other channels/networks into #ubuntu [10:33] thats how it works [10:33] Inquisitor: ok, well, we can't allow that [10:33] Inquisitor: if you want to talk in #ubuntu, you need to join #ubuntu [10:33] pbd: can we help you ? [10:34] !idle | pbd [10:34] pbd: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [10:35] Inquisitor: if you can remove that bot from joining #ubuntu, I'll remove the ban on it's connection [10:35] ikonia i m having an issue here with my main server [10:35] :( [10:35] I'm sorry about that [10:36] IdleOne [10:36] ikonia [10:36] do u have any idea why is it happening ? [10:36] no idea, I don't manage your server [10:36] well i have updated the sql by apt-get update [10:36] all my bloges gone.... [10:37] Inquisitor: I'm happy to help you in #ubuntu, if you can remove that bot from auto joining [10:37] ok [10:37] gimme a while [10:38] Inquisitor: if you /part this channel and just rejoin when you've removed the bot, I'll remove the connection ban === gry- is now known as gry [12:53] who owns twobottux? [12:53] amithkk maybe? [12:53] yes.. [13:05] yep [13:17] helo [13:18] hello mcloy [13:18] iam banned for months. may i know the reason? (#ubuntu) [13:18] How can I be of assistance today? [13:18] yes, you can. [13:19] looks like you were banned because of multiple cross postings in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server and also ban evading. [13:20] The cross posting issue is easily resolved. You just have to stop. The ban evading is a little more concerning though. [13:21] !guidelines | mcloy please have a read of the guidelines and let me know if you understand and agree to abide by them [13:21] mcloy please have a read of the guidelines and let me know if you understand and agree to abide by them: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [13:21] the bottom line is mcloy knew not to cross-posted, he's been asked multiple times not to do it, and just bluntly refused to stop [13:22] IdleOne, will the ban remain and should i /part or do my fingers have a future :) ? [13:22] I think that if mcloy agrees to stop cross posting we can agree to give him a chance [13:23] to be honest I don't [13:23] mcloy: the ban will remain until you agree to stop doing what it is that got you banned [13:23] I shouldn't have to ban someone [13:23] we= "?" [13:23] mcloy's attitude stinks, I spent details explaining why cross-posting was not helpful, and appox 90 seconds after that detailed explainition he did it again, and refused to comply [13:23] mcloy: we = the ops team [13:23] who will lift off the ban. ? you or some other person (who banned me if may i ask in the first place)? [13:24] I shouldn't have to ban someone for such a simple thing to follow, I can only asume mcloy was trying to push the rules and break them [13:24] mcloy: I banned you [13:24] mcloy: ikonia is the one who set the ban and any one of the ops can remove it if they feel you understand not to repeat the behaviour [13:24] IdleOne, as you can see. its not cross posting or ban evading. its personalism coming from ikonia [13:25] mcloy: I banned you because you refused to stop cross-posting [13:25] IdleOne, if you can remove it. ill be happy :) [13:25] mcloy: ok, I see. I think the ban will stay in place for another 15 days minimum. [13:25] I hope you return then with a different outlook. Have a nice day. [13:25] IdleOne, as you please .. [13:25] mcloy: I asked you multiple times to not cross-post so that I didn't have to ban you as that wasn't he plan [13:26] but as soon as I'd explained it in pretty long detail, you cross-posted straight after, you didn't really leave me much option [13:26] * mcloy doesnt cares to talk to ikonia atleast. [13:26] mcloy: in that case, if you don't want to talk to me, we are done. [13:26] mcloy: the ban will remain until you agree to stop doing what it is that got you banned [13:26] mcloy: then why should we care to talk to you? [13:26] IdleOne, if i agree.. then can you lift up now? [13:26] LjL, we !=ikonia [13:27] #ubuntu!=ikonia OKAY [13:27] mcloy: unfortunately no. you chose to blame others for your behaviour instead of owning it. think about that for 2 weeks [13:27] mcloy: if you don't even accept to talk to one of our ops (especially the one who banned you), i'm absolutely not inclined to help you, personally. [13:27] thats the truth. not a blame . its not cross posting or ban evading. its personalism coming from ikonia [13:28] so you did not cross post or ban evade? [13:28] that is my choice. you can ban me for 15 years. i wont talk to ikonia [13:28] that my choice [13:28] sure [13:28] are you forcing me to? [13:28] mcloy: We are done for today. Don't make this harder on yourself and us. Come back in 2 weeks. [13:29] ok. [13:29] thank you. [13:29] iam stoping using ubuntu and its support [13:29] ok. [13:29] I hear arch is good. [13:29] Please part this channel. [13:29] redhat [13:29] is this channel loged? [13:30] :) [13:30] it is [13:30] !logs [13:30] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [13:30] great for me [13:30] bye. [13:30] bye. [13:30] @mark #ubuntu-ops mcloy refuses to accept responsability for not following the rules or ban dodging. Please be aware of history when considering granting access to the channel [13:30] The operation succeeded. [13:31] I tried working with him, offered him a out, he refused it :/ [13:33] I love ubuntu [13:33] Awesome. How can we help you? [13:33] hi StephenS [13:33] hi [13:33] I want to become ubuntu op helper [13:33] possible [13:34] !canibeanop [13:34] If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. [13:34] look at that, follow instructions. good luck :) [13:34] Please don't idle in this channel StephenS [13:36] (note that he was a bit in a goofy mood in other channels today, might need an eye on) [13:36] noted [13:36] more like, he's a troll [13:37] * Fuchs puts a deerstalker on LjL [13:37] he has his good moments, though [13:37] just seem to be some phases he goes through. Anyway, off for a bit, have fun :) [13:38] * LjL goes to stalk deer [14:01] IdleOne, iam here [14:02] mcloy: you've been told come back in 2 weeks [14:02] mcloy: As I told you earlier. I was willing to unban you had you read and agreed to follow the guidelines. You instead chose to accuse ikonia of having personal reasons for banning you. [14:02] ikonia: I asked him to rejoin just now [14:02] ahhh [14:02] IdleOne, ill sure follow the guides [14:02] apoloies [14:02] mcloy: first step to redemption is accepting our own failures. [14:03] you did not. [14:03] ok.. [14:03] mcloy: for the recording pm'ing users in other channels with abuse about me won't helpyou [14:03] IdleOne: I'm sorry, I'm going to cut you off as I've just had users tell me that mcloy is pm'ing them abuse about me [14:03] IdleOne, i do. [14:03] So, now I will ask you again to wait 2 more weeks and then return here and we can discuss removing the ban at that time. asking in #freenode is not going to help because freenode staff do not get involved in channel issues [14:04] @mark #ubuntu-ops mcloy asked to come back in 2 weeks, instead chooses to pm other users with abuse about me. Unable to participate in channels [14:04] The operation succeeded. [14:04] IdleOne, i request that i have already been baned for a very long time. and its fair enough now to lift up the ban. [14:05] and stop all and my self to be personalism. ubuntu is alot biger thing than personalism [14:05] mcloy: request has been processed and declined. Also, stop abusing ikonia and harassing other users. [14:05] the ban will be lifted in 2 weeks? [14:06] i dont even want to talk to ikonia. how can i abuse her [14:06] We will see in two weeks provided your behavious in this matter improves greatly. [14:06] behaviour* [14:06] mcloy: you pm'd a user calling me an asshole and asking to get you unbanned from #ubuntu [14:06] mcloy: that is unacceptable. [14:07] its been a month. . more than that i think. my behaviour was nice since then. not talking to ikonia is my personal preference [14:07] mcloy: you can discuss this issue with any of the #ubuntu ops, it does not have to be ikonia. [14:07] hm. glade to choose you [14:07] mcloy: tell you what, come back when you WILL talk to me, because the bottom line is, you are not going back in the channel until you start talking to me/confirming you understand what I'm saying to you [14:08] IdleOne, you just said that if i follow guides. you will remain ban right now. i can promise that. please have some time to rethink. i can come back in some minutes [14:08] mcloy: 2 weeks, no sooner [14:08] you said to remove right now. was that a mistake/ [14:09] I did not say that [14:09] IdleOne: sorry - this is unacceptalbe [14:09] I am telling you 2 weeks [14:09] ikonia: I agree. please step back. [14:09] IdleOne: a users is stating he is going to ingnore an op, I have no issue with someone else dealing with this, but I'm not going to allow this to continue until it's acklowledged by the user this is unacceptable and stops [14:10] thats what i was talking about. not about cross posting . its personalism. IdleOne now you se [14:11] i didnt said anything wrong or vulgure..right..? [14:12] IdleOne, so .. [14:12] mcloy: moment please [14:12] IdleOne, ok [14:13] mcloy: I have to go now. Come back at a later date when you are willing to speak with any one of the members of the ops team including ikonia. Please part the channel now. [14:14] IdleOne, i hope its not cumpulsory to talk to ikonia . as you said i can talk to any op. ill be back in some minutes. [14:15] mcloy: lets make this simepl [14:15] mcloy: did you cross-post yes/no [14:15] or is there any other op available here now? [14:15] * mcloy waits for another op [14:16] mcloy: if you don't answer the question, you'll not get this progressed, it's that simple [14:16] mcloy; hmm? [14:16] MrChrisDruif, hi [14:16] MrChrisDruif, i asume you saw a bit of the above chat. [14:17] MrChrisDruif, i was requesting the ban be lifted. its been more than a month. [14:17] Mostly you looked for another op? Have to read back still [14:17] il recap [14:18] i was baned by ikonia for cross posting which i to is just personalism. and i didnt wanted to talk to her. i was requesting to lift the ban... [14:18] MrChrisDruif, you can read the rest [14:18] mcloy: the channel is run by the operators, if you are refusing to respond to an operator, you won't be allowed back into the channel [14:18] " [16:05:23] mcloy: request has been processed and declined. Also, stop abusing ikonia and harassing other users." [14:19] it's that simple, if you chose to repond and THEN resolve the issues, that's fine [14:19] mcloy: I have to go now. Come back at a later date when you are willing to speak with any one of the members of the ops team including ikonia. Please part the channel now. [14:19] I'm more than happy for someone else to resolve the issue, but while you are saying "I will ignore a member of the operators team" - it's not going to happen [14:20] " [16:06:06] i dont even want to talk to ikonia. how can i abuse her" [14:20] ture [14:20] true [14:20] So I'm not going to interfere here. [14:20] whom to i talk to then? [14:21] an op i gues. and you are one. [14:21] MrChrisDruif, [14:23] MrChrisDruif, fellow ops are fellows but does that have to do anything with rules and justice? (IdleOne if you are not away) [14:23] mcloy: are you going to respond to me yes/no [14:24] MrChrisDruif, do i have a right to not to respone to an op stating in #ubuntu-ops that it will increase personalism and i have a right not to talk to ? [14:25] injustice [14:25] mcloy: are you going to respond yes/no [14:25] * mcloy waits for an op [14:25] MrChrisDruif, do i have a right to not to respone to an op stating in #ubuntu-ops that it will increase personalism and i have a right not to talk to ? [14:29] hi incog [14:29] yes, hello [14:29] mcloy said you were bullying him [14:29] is this true [14:30] incog: we do not discuss issues with third party [14:30] incog: i'm not sure i see how it's any of your business [14:30] he's my wife [14:30] stupid troll [14:30] IdleOne: there is a lot as you said ;) [14:31] heh [14:36] Great, now mcloy starts pm'ing me <_<" [14:36] haha [14:36] MrChrisDruif: you're not the only one [14:36] MrChrisDruif: just explain what's the deal [14:38] Seems he stopped as I didn't respond ^_^ [19:39] IdleOne, Daviey anyone changed his mind since then? [19:46] mcloy: have you been following requests of us ops? [19:47] I would prefer if you'd not try to pm everyone who are/were in the channel, there are people here who can't unban you at all even if they'd want to [19:48] what requests...? [19:48] requests of ops? [19:48] mcloy: I recall you were asked to be back later, much later than just few hours [19:50] Tm_T, just checking for any mind changing [19:50] mcloy: what needs to be changed is your behaviour [19:50] that's the only way you to regain access to #ubuntu [19:51] ok. Tm_T we can start on it [19:51] what do you want me to change [19:51] mcloy: first, do not blame others of your actions, second, follow requests and instructions from us ubuntu ops, and if you disagree, discuss it here, politely [19:52] third, you do not, I repeat, you do not ignore ops [19:52] you can disagree, but ignoring an op is something I atleast won't take lightly [19:53] hm.. [19:53] i dont want to talk to "1" op. just... to make thing calm. i hope that will be ok [19:54] iam ready to cooperate. [19:54] it's ok to want to discuss with other ops, it's not ok to ignore [19:55] i told you the reason. [19:55] any ways. its been 2 months now [19:55] can you release the ban [19:55] time doesn't matter [19:55] do you require an oath then? [19:56] what matters, is that you show that I can trust you won't do what caused you being banned to begin with [19:56] how can i do that.. oath? [19:57] no oath required [19:57] do you understand you cannot ignore the rules the operators give you? [19:57] i thought waiting for 4 hours after 2 months to be part of a comunity would be enough in the first place. [19:57] Tm_T, what you require then? [19:58] discussing here [19:58] ok. which part? [19:58] [21:57:21] do you understand you cannot ignore the rules the operators give you? [19:58] you could start by answering that [19:58] ok [19:58] yes for that [19:59] mcloy: so, do you understand why you were banned? [19:59] yup.. [19:59] what was it? [19:59] cros posting. evading a ban once. ignoreing what an op said. [20:00] and you understand why we cannot allow that? [20:00] ofcourse [20:00] did you understand it back then? [20:00] crystal.. [20:01] crystal clear i mean [20:01] interesting [20:02] so you violated our rules knowingly, which makes me wonder, what has changed [20:02] 2 months remotness from ubuntu is the change. [20:03] so, if I let you back in, you do follow our guidelines and channel rules, and do respect our community [20:03] Tm_T, why do you think prisoners are release when the did crimes knowingly. [20:03] Tm_T, sure [20:03] mcloy: ban is not a punishment, prison time is [20:03] hm [20:04] ill follow guidelines and rules... [20:05] mcloy: this means, you also listen what any of us ops say, and if you disagree, you come here, and do not act against wishes in our other channels? [20:05] ya. i understand that now... didnt knew it before [20:06] !guidelines > mcloy read this while I check something [20:06] mcloy, please see my private message [20:06] ok [20:07] Tm_T, i already had.. [20:07] rereading never hurts [20:07] i did that today. i ll do it again if you say so [20:09] Tm_T, done [20:13] * mcloy waits for Tm_T [20:14] mcloy: ban(s) has been removed, I wish you happy ircing on #ubuntu [20:15] thank you. [20:26] mcloy: was there anything else you needed help with? [20:26] mcloy: I'm glad to see things got resolved, if you could part this channel now that would be great [20:26] thank you all of you! [20:27] can i free add a comment? [20:27] go ahead [20:27] before leaving [20:27] i might be wrong in many things. lack of knowledge or frustration/panic , but ikonia did became very personal with me. ubuntu is far more a greater thing than mcloy or ikonia . the behaviour of a designated operator should not be like ikonia 's . it has happend many times before (as i saw happening with other people and some of my friends) "rude behavriour" (suggestion for ubuntu.) [20:28] i could have used another nick or ip and join #ubuntu and no one would know. but i did all that to show something. . it was a great talk with you all... really. [20:28] mcloy: We appreciate your opinion and will take it into consideration. [20:28] i wish good for ubuntu [20:29] special thanks to all who chatted with me. infact there were so many ops [20:29] ba bye! [20:29] mcloy: Please make sure there is no reason for you to return :) [20:29] not even to say hi?:) [20:29] you can say hi to us in #ubuntu-offtopic [20:30] i was think i have gone quite popular any way. why not stand in elections this winter... ops contest [20:30] ok.. [20:31] ba bye! [20:31] bye. [20:31] mcloy: seriously.. people have put faith into you, so don't abuse it. Please leave now, and be a good chappy. [20:32] dont wory. :) i can take guarantee with all other ops.. except one IF (she gets personal again) [20:32] ... [20:32] mcloy: Going to ask nicely this time, leave this channel. [20:33] thats not going to work [20:33] i was reply Daviey [20:33] repling [20:33] see you:) [20:33] mcloy: leave please. [20:33] mcloy, bye [20:34] oh well,I try continue discussion with him, as clearly work is not done yet [20:34] just let it go [20:34] he ust wants a platform, screw it