[02:21] <wilee-nilee> could we have a user removed at #ubntuforums Transhumanist
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> #ubuntuforums
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> xrated spam
[03:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> wilee-nilee, Your request will be processed and we do not permit idling here. Thanks
 bazhang go to my channel   <--- keeps soliciting people to help him in his channel
[04:32] <bazhang> seems like offtopic, and advertising
[05:09] <bazhang> all the notifier bots seem to be down
[10:31] <ikonia> hey Inquisitor thanks for joining
[10:32] <Inquisitor> no prob
[10:32] <ikonia> Inquisitor: care to explain what that bot is all about please ?
[10:32] <Inquisitor> i m connecting towards few network at a same time
[10:32] <Inquisitor> but is a trouble to connect each 1 at the same time
[10:32] <Inquisitor> so i made up a server to connect all different network channels
[10:32] <Inquisitor> at my own server
[10:32] <Inquisitor> :)
[10:32] <ikonia> ok, but that bot was relaying other peoples conversation into #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> so it was "spamming" ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> pbd: can we help you ?
[10:33] <Inquisitor> is not spamming
[10:33] <Inquisitor> i was actually talking
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: what is it doing then ?
[10:33] <Inquisitor> just now
[10:33] <Inquisitor> if i chat on my server chan it will auto relay to #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: yes, but that bot is relaying your conversations from other channels/networks into #ubuntu
[10:33] <Inquisitor> thats how it works
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: ok, well, we can't allow that
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: if you want to talk in #ubuntu, you need to join #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> pbd: can we help you ?
[10:34] <ikonia> !idle | pbd
[10:35] <ikonia> Inquisitor: if you can remove that bot from joining #ubuntu, I'll remove the ban on it's connection
[10:35] <Inquisitor> ikonia i m having an issue here with my main server
[10:35] <Inquisitor> :(
[10:35] <ikonia> I'm sorry about that
[10:36] <Inquisitor> IdleOne
[10:36] <Inquisitor> ikonia
[10:36] <Inquisitor> do u have any idea why is it happening ?
[10:36] <ikonia> no idea, I don't manage your server
[10:36] <Inquisitor> well i have updated the sql by apt-get update
[10:36] <Inquisitor> all my bloges gone....
[10:37] <ikonia> Inquisitor: I'm happy to help you in #ubuntu, if you can remove that bot from auto joining
[10:37] <Inquisitor> ok
[10:37] <Inquisitor> gimme a while
[10:38] <ikonia> Inquisitor: if you /part this channel and just rejoin when you've removed the bot, I'll remove the connection ban
[12:53] <popey> who owns twobottux?
[12:53] <popey> amithkk maybe?
[12:53] <popey> yes..
[13:05] <elky> yep
[13:17] <mcloy> helo
[13:18] <IdleOne> hello mcloy
[13:18] <mcloy> iam banned for months. may i know the reason? (#ubuntu)
[13:18] <IdleOne> How can I be of assistance today?
[13:18] <IdleOne> yes, you can.
[13:19] <IdleOne> looks like you were banned because of multiple cross postings in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server and also ban evading.
[13:20] <IdleOne> The cross posting issue is easily resolved. You just have to stop. The ban evading is a little more concerning though.
[13:21] <IdleOne> !guidelines | mcloy please have a read of the guidelines and let me know if you understand and agree to abide by them
[13:21] <ikonia> the bottom line is mcloy knew not to cross-posted, he's been asked multiple times not to do it, and just bluntly refused to stop
[13:22] <mcloy> IdleOne,  will the ban remain and should i /part or do my fingers have a future :) ?
[13:22] <IdleOne> I think that if mcloy agrees to stop cross posting we can agree to give him a chance
[13:23] <ikonia> to be honest I don't
[13:23] <IdleOne> mcloy: the ban will remain until you agree to stop doing what it is that got you banned
[13:23] <ikonia> I shouldn't have to ban someone
[13:23] <mcloy> we= "?"
[13:23] <ikonia> mcloy's attitude stinks, I spent details explaining why cross-posting was not helpful, and appox 90 seconds after that detailed explainition he did it again, and refused to comply
[13:23] <IdleOne> mcloy: we = the ops team
[13:23] <mcloy> who will lift off the ban. ? you or some other person (who banned me if may i ask in the first place)?
[13:24] <ikonia> I shouldn't have to ban someone for such a simple thing to follow, I can only asume mcloy was trying to push the rules and break them
[13:24] <ikonia> mcloy: I banned you
[13:24] <IdleOne> mcloy: ikonia is the one who set the ban and any one of the ops can remove it if they feel you understand not to repeat the behaviour
[13:24] <mcloy> IdleOne,  as you can see. its not cross posting or ban evading. its personalism coming from ikonia
[13:25] <ikonia> mcloy: I banned you because you refused to stop cross-posting
[13:25] <mcloy> IdleOne,  if you can remove it. ill be happy :)
[13:25] <IdleOne> mcloy: ok, I see. I think the ban will stay in place for another 15 days minimum.
[13:25] <IdleOne> I hope you return then with a different outlook. Have a nice day.
[13:25] <mcloy> IdleOne,  as you please ..
[13:25] <ikonia> mcloy: I asked you multiple times to not cross-post so that I didn't have to ban you as that wasn't he plan
[13:26] <ikonia> but as soon as I'd explained it in pretty long detail, you cross-posted straight after, you didn't really leave me much option
[13:26]  * mcloy doesnt cares to talk to ikonia  atleast.
[13:26] <ikonia> mcloy: in that case, if you don't want to talk to me, we are done.
 mcloy: the ban will remain until you agree to stop doing what it is that got you banned
[13:26] <LjL> mcloy: then why should we care to talk to you?
[13:26] <mcloy> IdleOne,  if i agree.. then can you lift up now?
[13:26] <mcloy> LjL,  we !=ikonia
[13:27] <mcloy> #ubuntu!=ikonia          OKAY
[13:27] <IdleOne> mcloy: unfortunately no. you chose to blame others for your behaviour instead of owning it. think about that for 2 weeks
[13:27] <LjL> mcloy: if you don't even accept to talk to one of our ops (especially the one who banned you), i'm absolutely not inclined to help you, personally.
[13:27] <mcloy> thats the truth. not a blame . its not cross posting or ban evading. its personalism coming from ikonia
[13:28] <LjL> so you did not cross post or ban evade?
[13:28] <mcloy> that is my choice. you can ban me for 15 years. i wont talk to ikonia
[13:28] <mcloy> that my choice
[13:28] <LjL> sure
[13:28] <mcloy> are you forcing me to?
[13:28] <IdleOne> mcloy: We are done for today. Don't make this harder on yourself and us. Come back in 2 weeks.
[13:29] <mcloy> ok.
[13:29] <IdleOne> thank you.
[13:29] <mcloy> iam stoping using ubuntu and its support
[13:29] <IdleOne> ok.
[13:29] <IdleOne> I hear arch is good.
[13:29] <IdleOne> Please part this channel.
[13:29] <mcloy> redhat
[13:29] <mcloy> is this channel loged?
[13:30] <mcloy> :)
[13:30] <IdleOne> it is
[13:30] <IdleOne> !logs
[13:30] <mcloy> great for me
[13:30] <mcloy> bye.
[13:30] <IdleOne> bye.
[13:30] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops mcloy refuses to accept responsability for not following the rules or ban dodging. Please be aware of history when considering granting access to the channel
[13:31] <IdleOne> I tried working with him, offered him a out, he refused it :/
[13:33] <StephenS> I love ubuntu
[13:33] <IdleOne> Awesome. How can we help you?
[13:33] <ikonia> hi StephenS
[13:33] <StephenS> hi
[13:33] <StephenS> I want to become ubuntu op helper
[13:33] <StephenS> possible
[13:34] <IdleOne> !canibeanop
[13:34] <IdleOne> look at that, follow instructions. good luck :)
[13:34] <IdleOne> Please don't idle in this channel StephenS
[13:36] <Fuchs> (note that he was a bit in a goofy mood in other channels today, might need an eye on)
[13:36] <IdleOne> noted
[13:36] <LjL> more like, he's a troll
[13:37]  * Fuchs puts a deerstalker on LjL
[13:37] <Fuchs> he has his good moments, though
[13:37] <Fuchs> just seem to be some phases he goes through. Anyway, off for a bit, have fun :)
[13:38]  * LjL goes to stalk deer
[14:01] <mcloy> IdleOne,  iam here
[14:02] <ikonia> mcloy: you've been told come back in 2 weeks
[14:02] <IdleOne> mcloy: As I told you earlier. I was willing to unban you had you read and agreed to follow the guidelines. You instead chose to accuse ikonia of having personal reasons for banning you.
[14:02] <IdleOne> ikonia: I asked him to rejoin just now
[14:02] <ikonia> ahhh
[14:02] <mcloy> IdleOne,  ill sure follow the guides
[14:02] <ikonia> apoloies
[14:02] <IdleOne> mcloy: first step to redemption is accepting our own failures.
[14:03] <IdleOne> you did not.
[14:03] <mcloy> ok..
[14:03] <ikonia> mcloy: for the recording pm'ing users in other channels with abuse about me won't helpyou
[14:03] <ikonia> IdleOne: I'm sorry, I'm going to cut you off as I've just had users tell me that mcloy is pm'ing them abuse about me
[14:03] <mcloy> IdleOne,  i do.
[14:03] <IdleOne> So, now I will ask you again to wait 2 more weeks and then return here and we can discuss removing the ban at that time. asking in #freenode is not going to help because freenode staff do not get involved in channel issues
[14:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops mcloy asked to come back in 2 weeks, instead chooses to pm other users with abuse about me. Unable to participate in channels
[14:04] <mcloy> IdleOne,  i request that i have already been baned for a very long time. and its fair enough now to lift up the ban.
[14:05] <mcloy> and stop all and my self to be personalism. ubuntu is alot biger thing than personalism
[14:05] <IdleOne> mcloy: request has been processed and declined. Also, stop abusing ikonia and harassing other users.
[14:05] <mcloy> the ban will be lifted in 2 weeks?
[14:06] <mcloy> i dont even want to talk to ikonia. how can i abuse her
[14:06] <IdleOne> We will see in two weeks provided your behavious in this matter improves greatly.
[14:06] <IdleOne> behaviour*
[14:06] <ikonia> mcloy: you pm'd a user calling me an asshole and asking to get you unbanned from #ubuntu
[14:06] <ikonia> mcloy: that is unacceptable.
[14:07] <mcloy> its been a month. . more than that i think. my behaviour was nice since then. not talking to ikonia is my personal preference
[14:07] <IdleOne> mcloy: you can discuss this issue with any of the #ubuntu ops, it does not have to be ikonia.
[14:07] <mcloy> hm. glade to choose you
[14:07] <ikonia> mcloy: tell you what, come back when you WILL talk to me, because the bottom line is, you are not going back in the channel until you start talking to me/confirming you understand what I'm saying to you
[14:08] <mcloy> IdleOne,  you just said that if i follow guides. you will remain ban right now. i can promise that. please have some time to rethink. i can come back in some minutes
[14:08] <IdleOne> mcloy: 2 weeks, no sooner
[14:08] <mcloy> you said to remove right now. was that a mistake/
[14:09] <IdleOne> I did not say that
[14:09] <ikonia> IdleOne: sorry - this is unacceptalbe
[14:09] <IdleOne> I am telling you 2 weeks
[14:09] <IdleOne> ikonia: I agree. please step back.
[14:09] <ikonia> IdleOne: a users is stating he is going to ingnore an op, I have no issue with someone else dealing with this, but I'm not going to allow this to continue until it's acklowledged by the user this is unacceptable and stops
[14:10] <mcloy> thats what i was talking about. not about cross posting . its personalism. IdleOne  now you se
[14:11] <mcloy> i didnt said anything wrong or vulgure..right..?
[14:12] <mcloy> IdleOne,  so ..
[14:12] <IdleOne> mcloy: moment please
[14:12] <mcloy> IdleOne,  ok
[14:13] <IdleOne> mcloy: I have to go now. Come back at a later date when you are willing to speak with any one of the members of the ops team including ikonia. Please part the channel now.
[14:14] <mcloy> IdleOne,  i hope its not cumpulsory to talk to ikonia . as you said i can talk to any op. ill be back in some minutes.
[14:15] <ikonia> mcloy: lets make this simepl
[14:15] <ikonia> mcloy: did you cross-post yes/no
[14:15] <mcloy> or is there any other op available here now?
[14:15]  * mcloy waits for another op
[14:16] <ikonia> mcloy: if you don't answer the question, you'll not get this progressed, it's that simple
[14:16] <MrChrisDruif> mcloy; hmm?
[14:16] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  hi
[14:16] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  i asume you saw a bit of the above chat.
[14:17] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  i was requesting the ban be lifted. its been more than a month.
[14:17] <MrChrisDruif> Mostly you looked for another op? Have to read back still
[14:17] <mcloy> il recap
[14:18] <mcloy> i was baned by ikonia  for cross posting  which i to is just personalism. and i didnt wanted to talk to her.  i was requesting to lift the ban...
[14:18] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  you can read the rest
[14:18] <ikonia> mcloy: the channel is run by the operators, if you are refusing to respond to an operator, you won't be allowed back into the channel
[14:18] <MrChrisDruif> "<IdleOne> [16:05:23] mcloy: request has been processed and declined. Also, stop abusing ikonia and harassing other users."
[14:19] <ikonia> it's that simple, if you chose to repond and THEN resolve the issues, that's fine
 mcloy: I have to go now. Come back at a later date when you are willing to speak with any one of the members of the ops team including ikonia. Please part the channel now.
[14:19] <ikonia> I'm more than happy for someone else to resolve the issue, but while you are saying "I will ignore a member of the operators team" - it's not going to happen
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> "<mcloy> [16:06:06] i dont even want to talk to ikonia. how can i abuse her"
[14:20] <mcloy> ture
[14:20] <mcloy> true
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> So I'm not going to interfere here.
[14:20] <mcloy> whom to i talk to then?
[14:21] <mcloy> an op i gues. and you are one.
[14:21] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,
[14:23] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif, fellow ops are fellows but does that have to do anything with rules and justice? (IdleOne  if you are not away)
[14:23] <ikonia> mcloy: are you going to respond to me yes/no
[14:24] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  do i have a right to not to respone to an op stating in #ubuntu-ops that it will increase personalism and i have a right not to talk to ?
[14:25] <mcloy> injustice
[14:25] <ikonia> mcloy: are you going to respond yes/no
[14:25]  * mcloy waits for an op
[14:25] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  do i have a right to not to respone to an op stating in #ubuntu-ops that it will increase personalism and i have a right not to talk to ?
[14:29] <Tm_T> hi incog
[14:29] <incog> yes, hello
[14:29] <incog> mcloy said you were bullying him
[14:29] <incog> is this true
[14:30] <Tm_T> incog: we do not discuss issues with third party
[14:30] <LjL> incog: i'm not sure i see how it's any of your business
[14:30] <incog> he's my wife
[14:30] <IdleOne> stupid troll
[14:30] <ikonia> IdleOne: there is a lot as you said ;)
[14:31] <IdleOne> heh
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Great, now mcloy starts pm'ing me <_<"
[14:36] <Tm_T> haha
[14:36] <LjL> MrChrisDruif: you're not the only one
[14:36] <Tm_T> MrChrisDruif: just explain what's the deal
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> Seems he stopped as I didn't respond ^_^
[19:39] <mcloy> IdleOne, Daviey anyone changed his mind since then?
[19:46] <Tm_T> mcloy: have you been following requests of us ops?
[19:47] <Myrtti> I would prefer if you'd not try to pm everyone who are/were in the channel, there are people here who can't unban you at all even if they'd want to
[19:48] <mcloy> what requests...?
[19:48] <mcloy> requests of ops?
[19:48] <Tm_T> mcloy: I recall you were asked to be back later, much later than just few hours
[19:50] <mcloy> Tm_T,  just checking for any mind changing
[19:50] <Tm_T> mcloy: what needs to be changed is your behaviour
[19:50] <Tm_T> that's the only way you to regain access to #ubuntu
[19:51] <mcloy> ok. Tm_T  we can start on it
[19:51] <mcloy> what do you want me to change
[19:51] <Tm_T> mcloy: first, do not blame others of your actions, second, follow requests and instructions from us ubuntu ops, and if you disagree, discuss it here, politely
[19:52] <Tm_T> third, you do not, I repeat, you do not ignore ops
[19:52] <Tm_T> you can disagree, but ignoring an op is something I atleast won't take lightly
[19:53] <mcloy> hm..
[19:53] <mcloy> i dont want to talk to "1" op. just... to make thing calm.  i hope that will be ok
[19:54] <mcloy> iam ready to cooperate.
[19:54] <Tm_T> it's ok to want to discuss with other ops, it's not ok to ignore
[19:55] <mcloy> i told you the reason.
[19:55] <mcloy> any ways. its been 2 months now
[19:55] <mcloy> can you release the ban
[19:55] <Tm_T> time doesn't matter
[19:55] <mcloy> do  you require an oath then?
[19:56] <Tm_T> what matters, is that you show that I can trust you won't do what caused you being banned to begin with
[19:56] <mcloy> how can i do that.. oath?
[19:57] <Tm_T> no oath required
[19:57] <Tm_T> do you understand you cannot ignore the rules the operators give you?
[19:57] <mcloy> i thought waiting for 4 hours after 2 months to be part of a comunity would be enough in the first place.
[19:57] <mcloy> Tm_T,  what you require then?
[19:58] <Tm_T> discussing here
[19:58] <mcloy> ok. which part?
[19:58] <LjL> [21:57:21] <Tm_T> do you understand you cannot ignore the rules the operators give you?
[19:58] <LjL> you could start by answering that
[19:58] <mcloy> ok
[19:58] <mcloy> yes for that
[19:59] <Tm_T> mcloy: so, do you understand why you were banned?
[19:59] <mcloy> yup..
[19:59] <Tm_T> what was it?
[19:59] <mcloy> cros posting. evading a ban once. ignoreing what an op said.
[20:00] <Tm_T> and you understand why we cannot allow that?
[20:00] <mcloy> ofcourse
[20:00] <Tm_T> did you understand it back then?
[20:00] <mcloy> crystal..
[20:01] <mcloy> crystal clear i mean
[20:01] <Tm_T> interesting
[20:02] <Tm_T> so you violated our rules knowingly, which makes me wonder, what has changed
[20:02] <mcloy> 2 months remotness from ubuntu is the change.
[20:03] <Tm_T> so, if I let you back in, you do follow our guidelines and channel rules, and do respect our community
[20:03] <mcloy> Tm_T,  why do you think prisoners are release when the did crimes knowingly.
[20:03] <mcloy> Tm_T,  sure
[20:03] <Tm_T> mcloy: ban is not a punishment, prison time is
[20:03] <mcloy> hm
[20:04] <mcloy> ill follow guidelines and rules...
[20:05] <Tm_T> mcloy: this means, you also listen what any of us ops say, and if you disagree, you come here, and do not act against wishes in our other channels?
[20:05] <mcloy> ya. i understand that now... didnt knew it before
[20:06] <Tm_T> !guidelines > mcloy read this while I check something
[20:06] <mcloy> ok
[20:07] <mcloy> Tm_T,  i already had..
[20:07] <Tm_T> rereading never hurts
[20:07] <mcloy> i did that today. i ll do it again if you say so
[20:09] <mcloy> Tm_T,  done
[20:13]  * mcloy waits for Tm_T 
[20:14] <Tm_T> mcloy: ban(s) has been removed, I wish you happy ircing on #ubuntu
[20:15] <mcloy> thank you.
[20:26] <Myrtti> mcloy: was there anything else you needed help with?
[20:26] <IdleOne> mcloy: I'm glad to see things got resolved, if you could part this channel now that would be great
[20:26] <mcloy> thank you all of you!
[20:27] <mcloy> can i free add a comment?
[20:27] <IdleOne> go ahead
[20:27] <mcloy> before leaving
[20:27] <mcloy> i might be wrong in many things. lack of knowledge or frustration/panic , but ikonia did became very personal with me.   ubuntu is far more a greater thing than mcloy or ikonia .  the behaviour of a designated operator should not be like ikonia 's . it has happend many times before (as i saw happening with other people and some of my friends) "rude behavriour" (suggestion for ubuntu.)
[20:28] <mcloy> i could have used another nick or ip and join #ubuntu and no one would know. but i did all that to show something.  .  it was a great talk with you all...          really.
[20:28] <IdleOne> mcloy: We appreciate your opinion and will take it into consideration.
[20:28] <mcloy> i wish good for ubuntu
[20:29] <mcloy> special thanks to all who chatted with me. infact there were so many ops
[20:29] <mcloy> ba bye!
[20:29] <Daviey> mcloy: Please make sure there is no reason for you to return :)
[20:29] <mcloy> not even to say hi?:)
[20:29] <IdleOne> you can say hi to us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:30] <mcloy> i was think i have gone quite popular any way. why not stand in elections this winter... ops contest
[20:30] <mcloy> ok..
[20:31] <mcloy> ba bye!
[20:31] <IdleOne> bye.
[20:31] <Daviey> mcloy: seriously.. people have put faith into you, so don't abuse it.  Please leave now, and be a good chappy.
[20:32] <mcloy> dont wory.  :) i can take guarantee with all other ops.. except one IF (she gets personal again)
[20:32] <Tm_T> ...
[20:32] <IdleOne> mcloy: Going to ask nicely this time, leave this channel.
[20:33] <bazhang> thats not going to work
[20:33] <mcloy> i was reply Daviey
[20:33] <mcloy> repling
[20:33] <mcloy> see you:)
[20:33] <Daviey> mcloy: leave please.
[20:33] <bazhang> mcloy, bye
[20:34] <Tm_T> oh well,I try continue discussion with him, as clearly work is not done yet
[20:34] <ikonia> just let it go
[20:34] <ikonia> he ust wants a platform, screw it