[06:44] <AlanBell> morning al
[06:59] <awilkins> NHS Hack Day!
[07:01] <Azelphur> o.O?
[07:09] <awilkins> Not cracking, hacking
[07:10] <Azelphur> still wat
[07:10] <awilkins> Train arrives, must gather self
[07:11] <DJones> i was just about to tell my wife not to switch her laptop on so she didn't get hacked
[07:11] <DJones> :)
[07:13] <DJones> anyway who's idea is 18C at 8am on a weekend, too warm to sleep, too sleepy too get up
[07:38] <DJones>  This is the life, lying in bed, updating a server using a tablet
[08:01] <Mez_> So, I receive an email from paypal
[08:01] <Mez_> from a known phishing address
[08:02] <Mez_> (server)
[08:02] <Mez_> but it's DKIM signed
[08:02] <Mez_> and domainkey signed
[08:02] <Mez_> correctly as paypal.
[08:02] <Azelphur> o.O
[08:02] <Mez_> I've tried sending it to spoof@ who say it's a legit email
[08:03] <Mez_> But I don't believe them
[08:03] <Azelphur> I'm curious, you can forward it to me if you want xD
[08:03] <Mez_> (Email telling me that my account was in arrears... but it wasnt..
[08:06] <Mez_> !paste
[08:06] <czajkowski> morning
[08:06] <Mez_> hmm
[08:06] <Mez_> thats what I thought
[08:06] <Mez_> but its not working
[08:07] <Mez_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007759/
[08:07] <christel> i didnt think your PP account could go in arrears
[08:07] <Mez_> I think it can if someone charges back and you've spent the money
[08:08] <Mez_> or if you lose a dispute or something?
[08:08] <Mez_> but I'm rather concerned by that email
[08:08] <Mez_> even if it doesnt go to a fishing site... it's not legit
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> won't they try to get it back to 0 by charging your cc?
[08:09] <Mez_> looks to be a test
[08:09] <Mez_> but concerned that domainkey and DKIM is there
[08:09] <Mez_> and correct, AFAICS
[08:09] <Azelphur> Mez_: yea, it's definitely a phish xD
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: don't log in through the mail
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: type "paypal.com" into your browser and check it like that
[08:09] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, I wouldnt XD
[08:10] <christel> MartijnVdS: yeah thats what i would have assumed, that they just used the "funding sources" on file to balance the account
[08:10] <Mez_> Azelphur, the link actually goes through to PP
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> it looks legit
[08:10] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, even though the links dont go to paypal and it wasnt sent by paypals servers?
[08:11] <Azelphur> Mez_: that pastebin you gave is epicly corrupted fyi
[08:11] <Mez_> Azelphur, how so ?
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's not, it's quoted-printable
[08:11] <Azelphur> "2.=09Click =E2=80=98Add Funds=E2=80=99 near the top of the page." :P
[08:11] <Mez_> what MartijnVdS said
[08:11] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: the "List-Unsubscribe" is fishy
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: and the reply-to
[08:12] <Mez_> and the servers it was sent through
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> no wait.. that's the From: as well.. and it's @paypal.com
[08:12] <christel> yet it is addressed to you by name so doesnt seem super generic
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: report suspecting phish on paypal.com, and check balance there :)
[08:12] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, I reported it - i just get an automated email back even though I've asked for an explanation
[08:13] <Mez_> saying it's legit
[08:13] <Mez_> which I don't believe
[08:14] <Mez_> espescially as the servers it's sent through have been reported for a paypal phish attempt before on a major scale
[08:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[08:14] <Azelphur> and that mkt2944 site is known for phishing
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> isn't it just a big mailserver service provider?
[08:15] <Mez_> yeah - as far as i can see
[08:15] <Mez_> It's like a "mailshot" kinda email
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> makes sense to use the same service provider as the one you're trying to spoof ;)
[08:16] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, do you think the email is legit, or not?
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: do you have the GMail "show authenticated mails" lab hing on?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> thing*
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> if so, does it show a yellow key next to the mail?
[08:17] <Mez_> yes it does
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> then gmail thinks it's legit
[08:17] <Mez_> as I said - the DKIM/Domainkey is legit.
[08:17] <Mez_> Which is why I think it's a massive security concern
[08:18] <Mez_> as the email is saying  I've got a negative balance, which I dont
[08:18] <Mez_> it wasnt sent through paypals servers
[08:18] <Mez_> and is from a known phishing mail host
[08:18] <Mez_> therefore - I'm concerned that DKIM/Domainkey has been compromised here
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: if spoof@paypal doesn't think it's a spoof, it's their problem
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: how would they know your full name though
[08:19] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, because they can quite happily get that through G+ these days ?  Because I've got my name all over the web ?
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> good pointw
[08:20]  * Mez_ is rather concerned/disturbed by this
[08:34] <shauno> that's a really odd one.  nothing looks actually wrong, just a lot of red flags
[08:38] <shauno> mkt2944 doesn't look particularly scammy.  they're using markmonitor as their registrar.  and they're freaking expensive.  $40k for a one off, but you can beat them down to $10k in bulk
[08:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:40] <AlanBell> Mez_: presumably your account is non-negative?
[08:40] <Mez_> AlanBell, yes. it's something like £6 positive?
[08:57] <shauno> The more I look, the more it looks legit to me
[08:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: mail sent
[09:31]  * MartijnVdS upgrades to Q
[09:42] <kvarley> How can I find out what resolution a pdf file is?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> PDFs don't have resolution. The images in them can
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what are you trying to do?
[09:43] <kvarley> Trying to dump a pdf page to a jpeg without any change in size
[09:43] <kvarley> It's an open source diagram but the author used a microsoft visio format so I don't think I can edit that
[09:44] <kvarley> My bad
[09:44] <kvarley> LibreOffice opened it perfectly =D
[09:44] <kvarley> Sorry about that xD
[10:58] <popey> Morning all
[10:59] <penguin42> Hey Popey
[10:59] <Seeker`> o/
[11:03] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey
[11:09] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Goodness, is it only just afternoon?
[11:09] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm :)
[11:09]  * bigcalm dislikes getting work done on a Saturday morning
[11:09] <bigcalm> Got Hayley's presents wrapped though :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> Hey brobostigon
[11:10]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[11:19] <penguin42> hmm got my 1st 'we use cookies' warning
[11:20] <ali1234> i got one yesterday by email
[11:21] <ali1234> email!
[11:23] <dwatkins> I got one from Rapid Electronics.
[11:23] <ali1234> yes me too :)
[11:25] <dwatkins> haha, and Domino's
[11:58] <bigcalm> Bored of coding
[11:58]  * bigcalm pokes popey with mc
[12:01] <popey> yo
[13:42] <StevenR_> Awesome. I walked two miles in wonderful leafy sunshine. I bought a printer. I walked two miles home, carrying the printer. I plugged the printer in, connected it to my precise laptop, and clicked next a few times, and now I have a lovely printer test page.
[13:43] <StevenR_> from my previous dealings with printers (on any and all OSes), I expected this process to suck more.
[13:46] <popey> Printers are devices for causing pain.
[13:46] <popey> They also sometimes print stuff.
[13:47] <ali1234> printers lol
[13:48] <Seeker`> people still print things?
[13:48] <Seeker`> other than circuit boards
[13:48] <StevenR_> popey: yes. The good part of being a network specialist, is that if I can ping the printer, my work is done.
[13:48] <Azelphur> printers?
[14:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:01] <popey> yo czajkowski
[16:50] <czajkowski> popey having a good wrekend ?
[16:50] <czajkowski> weekend even
[17:09] <gord> eurovision night \o/
[17:14]  * Darael screams and runs away, cowering under a sofa.
[17:21] <penguin42> heck, 381MB of upgrades to Precise in the last week?
[17:26] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: you don't like it? go install Windows!  ;)
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> ..count your MB in GB
[17:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Oh I'm ok with it, it's just unusual
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: for what it's worth - I updated 4 Ubuntu systems this week in less time than one windoze sys
[17:29] <penguin42> oh I've never had Windows systems at home, and haven't used any at work for a few years
[17:33] <dogmatic69> Vista service pack 1 back in the day was 1.something gigs
[17:44]  * SuperEngineer is choosing between vallium, suicide or putting a hammer through the the tv.... anything to avoid eurovision
[17:46] <popey> penguin42: yes including my very first package update to unity and bamf! :D
[17:47] <penguin42> popey: How long did you sweat on it before doing the commit ?
[17:48] <popey> far too long! :D
[17:48] <popey> next week its lenses
[17:48] <penguin42> :-)
[17:48] <popey> my team have taken over releases of unity, bamf, dee, libunity etc
[17:49] <popey> nice to get the gimp fix out
[17:49] <penguin42> what was up with that?
[17:49] <popey> of course we're just packaging the fixes everyone else does, and don't do the actual fixes ourselves
[17:49] <popey> bamf isn't perfect
[17:49] <popey> especially with multi-window apps like gimp
[17:49] <popey> glad to see upstream have fixed that by making single window gimp ;)
[17:50] <penguin42> yeh, pity that missed PP - I must give it a go
[17:50] <popey> yeah, guess we can get it in a backport
[17:50] <popey> once it hits quantal
[17:50] <Daviey> popey: is your team the new Didler?
[17:50]  * popey hugs Laney 
[17:50] <popey> yes
[17:51] <Daviey> super
[17:52] <ali1234> single window gimp is not as good as it sounds
[17:52] <ali1234> you might have expected MDI, but no
[17:52] <ali1234> it uses tabs so you can't look at two images side by side
[17:52] <penguin42> your gimp doesn't like being trapped in a single window?
[17:52] <popey> erk
[17:52] <ali1234> it's probably the weirdest thing i've ever seen
[17:52] <popey> you cant open in a new window?
[17:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Doesn't let you tear a tab off?
[17:52] <ali1234> no and no
[17:53] <popey> wow
[17:53] <popey> thats demented
[17:53] <popey> almost worse
[17:53] <ali1234> it's like they implemented single window in the worst possible way just so they could later drop it because "nobody uses it"
[17:54] <Daviey> I *really* wish they'd review the name of it.
[17:55] <popey> fork it :D
[17:55] <Daviey> go fork yourself. :)
[17:55] <penguin42> Daviey: Yeh, it's really difficult to google for instructions on using the mask feature
[17:55] <popey> best offer I've had all day
[17:55] <popey> zoiks
[17:55] <popey> just tried that
[17:55] <Daviey> popey: hah
[17:56] <Daviey> "gimp mask feature" .. first 3 hits for me are accurate :)
[17:59] <ali1234> gimp masks lol
[18:00] <ali1234> gimp doesn't support using a path as a mask
[18:00] <ali1234> that really sucks
[18:00] <ali1234> also it doesn't support adjustment layers
[18:01] <ali1234> nor smart objects for that matter... they're not as useful though
[18:02] <ali1234> the thing about the name is... if it had a better name, people would expect it to be actually good
[19:18] <Laney> my god
[19:19] <penguin42> yes?
[19:23] <Laney> #thehump
[19:24] <penguin42> oh
[19:24] <ali1234> my money is on spain after they said they didn't want to win
[19:25] <ali1234> i can see trolls all over europe voting for them just to try to bankrupt the country
[19:25] <penguin42> yeh that's being suggested everywhere
[19:25] <ali1234> of course it could have been the most amazing piece of reverse psychology
[19:27] <SuperEngineer> my money is on Greece
[19:27] <SuperEngineer>  - and LLoyds - and RBS - Nothern Rock
[19:27] <SuperEngineer> please don't tell me we've turned into Ubuntu-Eurovsion.. please... please... please
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntuvision?
[19:27]  * MartijnVdS is watching NED-BUL
[19:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: When do you sing?
[19:27] <ali1234> what's a NED-BUL?
[19:28]  * SuperEngineer is singing now
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: ball of feet
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: pre-EC "trial" football match
[19:33] <MarquessDeBonBon> Anybody else watching Eurovision?
[19:33] <MarquessDeBonBon> Russian grannies are on right now.
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> I prefer good music :P
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: if football translates as ball of feet... I love to hear NED->UK for basketball ;)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah football translates as voetbal :)
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: and basketball we don't bother to translate
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: ooo - cutting!
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah, practical reasons -- we speak English well enough
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korfball already took the proper translated name
[19:36] <MarquessDeBonBon> Baskjetbjall.
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: no Dutch != Swedish
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: most other nations speak Enlish better than [some] English peeps I know ;)
[19:39] <MarquessDeBonBon> SuperEngineer: apart from Americans.
[19:39] <MarquessDeBonBon> English is spoken in the US as if it's their fifth language which they only use when talking to their elderly grandma at weddings and Christmas.
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: Americans speak a horrible version of English :)
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: that's because they think england is just a cute little American airbase
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: they're wrong, that's Scotland
[19:41]  * SuperEngineer giggles
[19:42] <MarquessDeBonBon> And Wales is where Pot Noodle is mined.
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: you should see Gloucestershire.... we've got treacle mines!
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://wiki.openttd.org/Climate#Toyland ?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: toffee quarries as well?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Cola wells?
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> Little known fact: Gloucestershire is pronounced "Gloostershire".
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> True story.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Plastic fountains?
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> I literally do not know where Gloucestershire is.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: it's pronounced "Here be dragons"
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> Is it in the north?
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> no
[19:46]  * MarquessDeBonBon opens up maps.google.com
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> I tried typing it into google maps
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> but I mistyped it as "Gloucestershite"
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> Well fuck me, it's almost in Wales.
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> try slightly north of Bristol up the M%
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> That's why I didn't know where it was.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> !language
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> ...& we are not welsh
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> The whole east of the UK is "here be dragons" for me.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: Welsh dragons
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> Well
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: & the west,apparently
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Anywhere that isn't the Home Counties, Greater London or Essex is "here be dragons" on my mental map.
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Scotland is like...Discworld.
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Except the turtles are alcoholic wifebeaters.
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: Midlands? Yorkshire?
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Never been there.
[19:49] <MarquessDeBonBon> My strategy for when I find myself outside the HCs or London: "Get to St. Pancras".
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: are you sure that's not St. Pancreas?
[19:51] <MarquessDeBonBon> I call it St. Pancreas.
[20:12] <MarquessDeBonBon> Damn...this Danish chick is hot.
[20:25] <daubers> Evening
[20:29] <Laney> turkey so far tbh
[20:33] <ali1234> why do javascript developers use so many anonymous functions?
[20:33] <ali1234> it makes the scoping really difficult to figure out
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> because they hate you
[20:34] <ali1234> :(
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: don't worry, there's http://i.imgur.com/oH16b.jpg
[20:35] <ali1234> :C
[20:44] <DJones> Laney: When did C3PO get a twin and learn to sing?
[20:45] <Laney> for small "learn"
[20:46] <Laney> it's catchy :$
[20:46] <Laney> i like it :(
[21:16] <cocoa117> anyone here using Intel DQ67SW mobo?
[21:31] <MarquessDeBonBon> cocoa117: what's the issue?
[21:34]  * AlanBell wonders if it is too late for cake
[21:34] <brobostigon> always time for cake, :)
[21:39] <popey> why is http://www.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7343176.stm the 2nd most popular video on bbc now
[21:40]  * brobostigon wonders, what people would vote for, in eurovision.
[21:41] <popey> i have managed to avoid every single eurovision song and programme
[21:42] <brobostigon> good idea.
[21:42] <brobostigon> i did fnd, 1, maybe two songs, that were any good.
[21:46] <AlanBell> it *was* time for cake. Chocolate Guinness cake.
[21:46] <brobostigon> sounds yummy.
[22:29] <penguin42> talking of cake; this is incredible: http://io9.com/5913308/this-tim-burton-zoetrope-cake-is-way-too-nifty-to-eat