=== diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [06:44] morning al [06:59] NHS Hack Day! [07:01] o.O? [07:09] Not cracking, hacking [07:10] still wat [07:10] Train arrives, must gather self [07:11] i was just about to tell my wife not to switch her laptop on so she didn't get hacked [07:11] :) [07:13] anyway who's idea is 18C at 8am on a weekend, too warm to sleep, too sleepy too get up [07:38] This is the life, lying in bed, updating a server using a tablet [08:01] So, I receive an email from paypal [08:01] from a known phishing address [08:02] (server) [08:02] but it's DKIM signed [08:02] and domainkey signed [08:02] correctly as paypal. [08:02] o.O [08:02] I've tried sending it to spoof@ who say it's a legit email [08:03] But I don't believe them [08:03] I'm curious, you can forward it to me if you want xD [08:03] (Email telling me that my account was in arrears... but it wasnt.. [08:06] !paste [08:06] Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [08:06] morning [08:06] hmm [08:06] thats what I thought [08:06] but its not working [08:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007759/ [08:07] i didnt think your PP account could go in arrears [08:07] I think it can if someone charges back and you've spent the money [08:08] or if you lose a dispute or something? [08:08] but I'm rather concerned by that email [08:08] even if it doesnt go to a fishing site... it's not legit [08:09] won't they try to get it back to 0 by charging your cc? [08:09] looks to be a test [08:09] but concerned that domainkey and DKIM is there [08:09] and correct, AFAICS [08:09] Mez_: yea, it's definitely a phish xD [08:09] Mez_: don't log in through the mail [08:09] Mez_: type "paypal.com" into your browser and check it like that [08:09] MartijnVdS, I wouldnt XD [08:10] MartijnVdS: yeah thats what i would have assumed, that they just used the "funding sources" on file to balance the account [08:10] Azelphur, the link actually goes through to PP [08:10] it looks legit [08:10] MartijnVdS, even though the links dont go to paypal and it wasnt sent by paypals servers? [08:11] Mez_: that pastebin you gave is epicly corrupted fyi [08:11] Azelphur, how so ? [08:11] Azelphur: it's not, it's quoted-printable [08:11] "2.=09Click =E2=80=98Add Funds=E2=80=99 near the top of the page." :P [08:11] what MartijnVdS said [08:11] *shrug* [08:11] Mez_: the "List-Unsubscribe" is fishy [08:12] Mez_: and the reply-to [08:12] and the servers it was sent through [08:12] no wait.. that's the From: as well.. and it's @paypal.com [08:12] yet it is addressed to you by name so doesnt seem super generic [08:12] Mez_: report suspecting phish on paypal.com, and check balance there :) [08:12] MartijnVdS, I reported it - i just get an automated email back even though I've asked for an explanation [08:13] saying it's legit [08:13] which I don't believe [08:14] espescially as the servers it's sent through have been reported for a paypal phish attempt before on a major scale [08:14] indeed [08:14] and that mkt2944 site is known for phishing [08:14] isn't it just a big mailserver service provider? [08:15] yeah - as far as i can see [08:15] It's like a "mailshot" kinda email [08:15] makes sense to use the same service provider as the one you're trying to spoof ;) [08:16] MartijnVdS, do you think the email is legit, or not? [08:16] Mez_: do you have the GMail "show authenticated mails" lab hing on? [08:17] thing* [08:17] if so, does it show a yellow key next to the mail? [08:17] yes it does [08:17] then gmail thinks it's legit [08:17] as I said - the DKIM/Domainkey is legit. [08:17] Which is why I think it's a massive security concern [08:18] as the email is saying I've got a negative balance, which I dont [08:18] it wasnt sent through paypals servers [08:18] and is from a known phishing mail host [08:18] therefore - I'm concerned that DKIM/Domainkey has been compromised here [08:18] Mez_: if spoof@paypal doesn't think it's a spoof, it's their problem [08:19] Mez_: how would they know your full name though [08:19] MartijnVdS, because they can quite happily get that through G+ these days ? Because I've got my name all over the web ? [08:19] good pointw [08:20] * Mez_ is rather concerned/disturbed by this [08:34] that's a really odd one. nothing looks actually wrong, just a lot of red flags [08:38] mkt2944 doesn't look particularly scammy. they're using markmonitor as their registrar. and they're freaking expensive. $40k for a one off, but you can beat them down to $10k in bulk [08:38] good morning everyone. [08:40] Mez_: presumably your account is non-negative? [08:40] AlanBell, yes. it's something like £6 positive? [08:57] The more I look, the more it looks legit to me [08:57] AlanBell: mail sent [09:31] * MartijnVdS upgrades to Q [09:42] How can I find out what resolution a pdf file is? [09:42] PDFs don't have resolution. The images in them can [09:43] kvarley: what are you trying to do? [09:43] Trying to dump a pdf page to a jpeg without any change in size [09:43] It's an open source diagram but the author used a microsoft visio format so I don't think I can edit that [09:44] My bad [09:44] LibreOffice opened it perfectly =D [09:44] Sorry about that xD [10:58] Morning all [10:59] Hey Popey [10:59] o/ [11:03] afternoonings popey [11:09] Afternoon peeps :) [11:09] Goodness, is it only just afternoon? [11:09] afternoonings bigcalm :) [11:09] * bigcalm dislikes getting work done on a Saturday morning [11:09] Got Hayley's presents wrapped though :) [11:10] Hey brobostigon [11:10] * bigcalm tickles popey [11:19] hmm got my 1st 'we use cookies' warning [11:20] i got one yesterday by email [11:21] email! [11:23] I got one from Rapid Electronics. [11:23] yes me too :) [11:25] haha, and Domino's [11:58] Bored of coding [11:58] * bigcalm pokes popey with mc [12:01] yo [13:42] Awesome. I walked two miles in wonderful leafy sunshine. I bought a printer. I walked two miles home, carrying the printer. I plugged the printer in, connected it to my precise laptop, and clicked next a few times, and now I have a lovely printer test page. [13:43] from my previous dealings with printers (on any and all OSes), I expected this process to suck more. [13:46] Printers are devices for causing pain. [13:46] They also sometimes print stuff. [13:47] printers lol [13:48] people still print things? [13:48] other than circuit boards [13:48] popey: yes. The good part of being a network specialist, is that if I can ping the printer, my work is done. [13:48] printers? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:28] aloha [15:01] yo czajkowski [16:50] popey having a good wrekend ? [16:50] weekend even [17:09] eurovision night \o/ [17:14] * Darael screams and runs away, cowering under a sofa. [17:21] heck, 381MB of upgrades to Precise in the last week? [17:26] penguin42: you don't like it? go install Windows! ;) [17:27] ..count your MB in GB [17:27] SuperEngineer: Oh I'm ok with it, it's just unusual [17:28] penguin42: for what it's worth - I updated 4 Ubuntu systems this week in less time than one windoze sys [17:29] oh I've never had Windows systems at home, and haven't used any at work for a few years [17:33] Vista service pack 1 back in the day was 1.something gigs [17:44] * SuperEngineer is choosing between vallium, suicide or putting a hammer through the the tv.... anything to avoid eurovision [17:46] penguin42: yes including my very first package update to unity and bamf! :D [17:47] popey: How long did you sweat on it before doing the commit ? [17:48] far too long! :D [17:48] next week its lenses [17:48] :-) [17:48] my team have taken over releases of unity, bamf, dee, libunity etc [17:49] nice to get the gimp fix out [17:49] what was up with that? [17:49] of course we're just packaging the fixes everyone else does, and don't do the actual fixes ourselves [17:49] bamf isn't perfect [17:49] especially with multi-window apps like gimp [17:49] glad to see upstream have fixed that by making single window gimp ;) [17:50] yeh, pity that missed PP - I must give it a go [17:50] yeah, guess we can get it in a backport [17:50] once it hits quantal [17:50] popey: is your team the new Didler? [17:50] * popey hugs Laney [17:50] yes [17:51] super [17:52] single window gimp is not as good as it sounds [17:52] you might have expected MDI, but no [17:52] it uses tabs so you can't look at two images side by side [17:52] your gimp doesn't like being trapped in a single window? [17:52] erk [17:52] it's probably the weirdest thing i've ever seen [17:52] you cant open in a new window? [17:52] ali1234: Doesn't let you tear a tab off? [17:52] no and no [17:53] wow [17:53] thats demented [17:53] almost worse [17:53] it's like they implemented single window in the worst possible way just so they could later drop it because "nobody uses it" [17:54] I *really* wish they'd review the name of it. [17:55] fork it :D [17:55] go fork yourself. :) [17:55] Daviey: Yeh, it's really difficult to google for instructions on using the mask feature [17:55] best offer I've had all day [17:55] zoiks [17:55] just tried that [17:55] popey: hah [17:56] "gimp mask feature" .. first 3 hits for me are accurate :) [17:59] gimp masks lol [18:00] gimp doesn't support using a path as a mask [18:00] that really sucks [18:00] also it doesn't support adjustment layers [18:01] nor smart objects for that matter... they're not as useful though [18:02] the thing about the name is... if it had a better name, people would expect it to be actually good [19:18] my god [19:19] yes? [19:23] #thehump [19:24] oh [19:24] my money is on spain after they said they didn't want to win [19:25] i can see trolls all over europe voting for them just to try to bankrupt the country [19:25] yeh that's being suggested everywhere [19:25] of course it could have been the most amazing piece of reverse psychology [19:27] my money is on Greece [19:27] - and LLoyds - and RBS - Nothern Rock [19:27] please don't tell me we've turned into Ubuntu-Eurovsion.. please... please... please [19:27] Ubuntuvision? [19:27] * MartijnVdS is watching NED-BUL [19:27] SuperEngineer: When do you sing? [19:27] what's a NED-BUL? [19:28] * SuperEngineer is singing now [19:28] ali1234: ball of feet [19:28] ali1234: pre-EC "trial" football match [19:33] Anybody else watching Eurovision? [19:33] Russian grannies are on right now. [19:34] I prefer good music :P [19:34] MartijnVdS: if football translates as ball of feet... I love to hear NED->UK for basketball ;) [19:34] SuperEngineer: nah football translates as voetbal :) [19:35] SuperEngineer: and basketball we don't bother to translate [19:35] MartijnVdS: ooo - cutting! [19:36] SuperEngineer: nah, practical reasons -- we speak English well enough [19:36] also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korfball already took the proper translated name [19:36] Baskjetbjall. [19:37] MarquessDeBonBon: no Dutch != Swedish [19:38] MartijnVdS: most other nations speak Enlish better than [some] English peeps I know ;) [19:39] SuperEngineer: apart from Americans. [19:39] English is spoken in the US as if it's their fifth language which they only use when talking to their elderly grandma at weddings and Christmas. [19:40] MarquessDeBonBon: Americans speak a horrible version of English :) [19:40] MarquessDeBonBon: that's because they think england is just a cute little American airbase [19:41] SuperEngineer: they're wrong, that's Scotland [19:41] * SuperEngineer giggles [19:42] And Wales is where Pot Noodle is mined. [19:45] MarquessDeBonBon: you should see Gloucestershire.... we've got treacle mines! [19:45] SuperEngineer: http://wiki.openttd.org/Climate#Toyland ? [19:46] SuperEngineer: toffee quarries as well? [19:46] Cola wells? [19:46] Little known fact: Gloucestershire is pronounced "Gloostershire". [19:46] True story. [19:46] Plastic fountains? [19:46] I literally do not know where Gloucestershire is. [19:46] MarquessDeBonBon: it's pronounced "Here be dragons" [19:46] Is it in the north? [19:46] no [19:46] * MarquessDeBonBon opens up maps.google.com [19:46] I tried typing it into google maps [19:46] but I mistyped it as "Gloucestershite" [19:47] Well fuck me, it's almost in Wales. [19:47] try slightly north of Bristol up the M% [19:47] That's why I didn't know where it was. [19:47] !language [19:47] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [19:47] ...& we are not welsh [19:47] The whole east of the UK is "here be dragons" for me. [19:47] MarquessDeBonBon: Welsh dragons [19:47] Well [19:48] MarquessDeBonBon: & the west,apparently [19:48] Anywhere that isn't the Home Counties, Greater London or Essex is "here be dragons" on my mental map. [19:48] Scotland is like...Discworld. [19:48] Except the turtles are alcoholic wifebeaters. [19:48] MarquessDeBonBon: Midlands? Yorkshire? [19:48] Never been there. [19:49] My strategy for when I find myself outside the HCs or London: "Get to St. Pancras". [19:51] MarquessDeBonBon: are you sure that's not St. Pancreas? [19:51] I call it St. Pancreas. [20:12] Damn...this Danish chick is hot. [20:25] Evening [20:29] turkey so far tbh [20:33] why do javascript developers use so many anonymous functions? [20:33] it makes the scoping really difficult to figure out [20:34] because they hate you [20:34] :( [20:34] ali1234: don't worry, there's http://i.imgur.com/oH16b.jpg [20:35] :C [20:44] Laney: When did C3PO get a twin and learn to sing? [20:45] for small "learn" [20:46] it's catchy :$ [20:46] i like it :( [21:16] anyone here using Intel DQ67SW mobo? [21:31] cocoa117: what's the issue? [21:34] * AlanBell wonders if it is too late for cake [21:34] always time for cake, :) [21:39] why is http://www.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7343176.stm the 2nd most popular video on bbc now [21:40] * brobostigon wonders, what people would vote for, in eurovision. [21:41] i have managed to avoid every single eurovision song and programme [21:42] good idea. [21:42] i did fnd, 1, maybe two songs, that were any good. [21:46] it *was* time for cake. Chocolate Guinness cake. [21:46] sounds yummy. [22:29] talking of cake; this is incredible: http://io9.com/5913308/this-tim-burton-zoetrope-cake-is-way-too-nifty-to-eat === chalced is now known as chalcedony