[01:28] <mfisch> oh god, I spent 10 minutes trying to figure out one of her bugs
[01:29] <LordOfTime> mfisch:  lol, this is why some people shouldnt have posting rights
[01:31] <mfisch> I'm not sure it's spammy enough, but I can ask launchpad to block her
[01:34] <mfisch> LordOfTime: you guys thing it's spammy enough to ask LP?
[01:34] <LordOfTime> mfisch:  i have no say in the matter, regardless, that was an opinion
[02:10] <LordOfTime> anyone able to explain how DEP3 bug headers get added to a patch?
[02:24] <Guest63959> hola
[02:24] <Guest63959> hay alguien?
[02:24] <LordOfTime> english if you can
[02:25] <Guest63959> ok, i'll try it :P
[02:25] <LordOfTime> what's up?
[02:25] <Guest63959> so, can i report a bug here?
[02:25] <LordOfTime> nope
[02:25] <LordOfTime> !bugs
[02:25] <ubot2> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[02:25] <LordOfTime> Guest63959:  see that factoid
[02:30] <Guest63959> ou
[02:31] <Guest63959> i dont know in which package is the bug
[02:31] <Guest63959> i just know which is the problem :P
[02:33] <Guest63959> oh, i will read that in spanish, because maybe im wrong...
[05:54] <kroq-gar78> Hello. According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, I need to come here to ask a bug supervisor to nominate my bug for an SRU for Precise. Can you please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004370 for Precise? Thanks~
[05:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004370 in visualvm "[SRU] jvisualvm won't launch" [Undecided,In progress]
[06:13] <kroq-gar78> Also, could you please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/937710 for Precise, too? They're in the same package and have a similar cause. Thanks!
[06:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 937710 in visualvm "[SRU] VisualVM does not start with openjdk 7" [Undecided,In progress]
[09:11] <luc4_mac> LordOfTime: talking about 997767, I don't think it is an hardware issue anymore. Tonight I tried to boot in failsafe mode and network is still up and running.
[09:12] <luc4_mac> LordOfTime: I'll continue to run this test anyway. Might be just a coincidence.
[11:04] <veger> Could someone set the importance of bug #432369 to wishlist?
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 432369 in network-manager "Too many network OSD notifications when resuming from sleep" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432369
[12:27] <csilk> Hi, I just submitted some terribly vague bugs to launchpad
[12:27] <csilk> I need to identify what packages are at fault here
[12:28] <csilk> Anyone willing to help out?
[12:28] <csilk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1005150
[12:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1005150 in ubuntu "Borders, tabs and general UI separators are too big" [Undecided,New]
[12:28] <csilk> I know it's vague but I think the issue generally needs to be raised
[12:37] <wylde> csilk: see my reply in #ubuntu heh
[12:38] <csilk> wylde, just replied hhaha
[12:38] <wylde> lol yeah I saw.
[12:39] <wylde> csilk:  you may have better chance of getting noticed on one of the mailing lists. Moment.
[12:39] <wylde> csilk: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists <--- probably ubuntu-desktop or similar mailing lists would be appropriate.
[12:41] <wylde> or maybe even on the forums.
[12:44] <csilk> wylde, does anybody that matters look at the forums in the same way they would look at the mailing list?
[12:45] <wylde> csilk: personally, I'd hit the mailing list, although posting on the forums should still get some views and it will stay as a long term item that will still be around after your post to mailing list is gone. :)
[12:46] <csilk> I'll probably do both
[12:46] <wylde> csilk: you could 1.) Post to the forum 2.) link to your forum post in your post to the mailing list?
[12:46] <csilk> Could do
[12:46] <csilk> It's sad that I have to think of the best way to not get ignored
[12:47] <csilk> I need to make shuttleworth sit down at my machine and try to work with Eclipse to get him to realise how shitty everything is
[12:47] <wylde> csilk: it's not that you'd get ignored. Odds are much better this way to have your thoughts considered. Since the bug report, is technically not a bug.
[12:48] <csilk> I walked past the canonical offices in London yesterday. Might stage a one day protest to get publicity :p
[12:48] <wylde> lol
[12:53] <penguin42> csilk: I suggest you try adding a screenshot marked up showing what could be changed while making it better
[12:54] <penguin42> csilk: Or even better try tweeking the theme and show that it would be better - my guess is that the UI components are following the current trend to make everything large enough that they can be used by a vaguely prodded thumb on a touchscreen
[12:55] <wylde> that is exactly the impression I get from the default unity desktop.
[12:55] <csilk> penguin42, I wish I had the ability to fix the mess. I would just do it and make a patch set available. Screenshotting and talking about all the issues would take a big chunk of time which I don't have at the moment but I did plan to actually sit down for two hours and write everything up
[12:56] <penguin42> csilk: OK, when you do add it to the bug - I suspect the bug will probably get bounced unless you point to specifics
[12:56] <csilk> I'm going to screen shot the differences in OXS and Unity to highlight how Unity is just too bulky to be used for serious work on any normal display
[12:57] <penguin42> everything seems to be going that way at the moment; at least google added the 'compact' mode to their interfaces again
[13:57] <veger> Could someone set the importance of bug #432369 to wishlist?
[13:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 432369 in network-manager "Too many network OSD notifications when resuming from sleep" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432369
[14:14] <luc4_mac> penguin42: sorry to bother you, referring to 997767 I added a new important information. Do you think I can do something else to help?
[14:31] <njin> RedSingularity: are you in ?
[14:32] <njin> hggdh:ping
[14:45] <penguin42> bug 997767
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 997767 in linux "Network connection is lost after some hours of inactivity and comes up again on user interaction" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997767
[14:48] <penguin42> luc4_mac: Interesting that the failsafe mode stops it shutting down - not sure why though; the trick to fixing it is going to be figuring out what (other than the network being down!) is different when it is
[15:00] <luc4_mac> penguin42: should I try to enable services one by one and see what causes the problem?
[15:14] <penguin42> luc4_mac: I was just about to add a question - is it the wifi or the wired that's dropping off?
[15:15] <luc4_mac> penguin42: wired
[15:15] <penguin42> luc4_mac: Is it possible for you to try the wifi as well?
[15:15] <penguin42> I'm just trying to figure out if it's something specific to the particular device
[15:15] <luc4_mac> penguin42: I don't have wifi available at all.
[15:15] <luc4_mac> penguin42: only two ethernet interfaces.
[15:16] <penguin42> fair enough
[15:16] <penguin42> hang on - do you mean that you think you should have wifi but it doesn't work or that you really do have two ethernets ?
[15:17] <luc4_mac> penguin42: no no, no wifi adapter. I've always had eth0 and eth1. From that point of view, nothing changed.
[15:19] <luc4_mac> penguin42: what is suspect is that after upgrading to 12.04, the network interface I've always been using didn't sense the network anymore, and I had to switch to the other.
[15:19] <penguin42> luc4_mac: OK, it's just that your dmesg shows 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter'
[15:19] <luc4_mac> penguin42: mmh… that is new to me...
[15:20] <penguin42> luc4_mac: And it shows up in the ifconfig and the iwconfig.txt attached to there
[15:20] <luc4_mac> penguin42: oh my god… that must be a mistake...
[15:21] <penguin42> luc4_mac: Actually, no it just shows up in the iwconfig - not in the ifconfig
[15:22] <penguin42> it's a bit confusing because you're latest stuff shows eth0/wlan0   but you're repeated ifconfig shows eth0/eth1
[15:23] <luc4_mac> penguin42: yes, it is embarassing… I made a mistake I guess...
[15:23] <penguin42> luc4_mac: Well - did you?
[15:24] <luc4_mac> penguin42: I think I ran apport on the wrong system yesterday. Can I fix that mistake?
[15:24] <penguin42> haha :-)
[15:24] <luc4_mac> penguin42: ah yes… I guess I did it… :-(
[15:24] <penguin42> luc4_mac: OK, so add a comment that you did, then I think if you run the apport collect again on the right system it has a chance
[15:25] <luc4_mac> penguin42: aahhh… I'm so sorry...
[15:25] <penguin42> luc4_mac: If it doesn't, just file another bug and we'll kill that one off
[15:26] <luc4_mac> penguin42: let me fix my mistake, really sorry...
[15:26] <penguin42> hey, it happens
[15:27] <luc4_mac> penguin42: anyway, the fact about failsafe is correct. Failsafe makes it work.
[15:28] <penguin42> lots of things change in failsafe - now it's just a matter of figuring out which one is the problem
[15:37] <luc4_mac> penguin42: ok, I think it worked, but I think it is not possible to remove the other files collected to avoid confusion right?
[15:37] <penguin42> I'm not aware of a way
[15:39] <luc4_mac> Ok, I'll add a comment explaining what happened.
[15:46] <luc4_mac> penguin42: when I'm at the login screen I see a failsafe option. I remember I used that once to turn off X server. Am I wrong?
[15:56] <penguin42> luc4_mac: I thought that's a different failsafe - the one at the login prompt is normally if there is a problem in your gnome config or dot files; that's very different from the one at boot time
[17:45] <blueyed> Can somebody please try to reproduce/confirm bug 1004947?
[17:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004947 in apt ""apt-cache search" is slow because of listing /var/lib/apt/lists 45227 times" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004947
[17:45] <blueyed> There is a test case, which you just need to copy/paste/execute.
[17:52] <Daekdroom> I'll test it once the page loads.
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Confirmed.
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Wait, what?
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[17:55] <Daekdroom> It returned '1'
[19:09] <blueyed> Daekdroom: thanks, good to know. Then it is something on my system/setup that triggers it.
[20:39] <hggdh> blueyed: also on mine, one single open.
[20:48] <penguin42> oh that's a fun bug - I wonder what % of the time it takes
[20:50] <hggdh> I was curious also on that
[20:50] <penguin42> still, it would be better if it didn't do that, I wonder if it's a trade off v the amount of memory it uses
[20:52] <hggdh> the problem is it did not do it (in my case)...
[23:19] <blueyed> penguin42: interesting idea.. but I really cannot think of why it would be better to list a directory such often than to just remember its contents once.
[23:19] <blueyed> I think a code investigation is in order here, but it would be far easier for somebody who knows apt's internals already.