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[02:22] <barna> tranks again IdleOne !
[09:28] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu mcloy despite being unbanned for cross-posting yesterday posted the same question in #ubuntu #kubuntu #ubuntu-server
[09:30] <mcloy> i am new to irc. i thought my text is not visible in #ubuntu and i asked that to users too. "is my text visible?"  i got no reply and i posted same question in #kubuntu. got no reply. i am banned . any help?
[09:31] <ikonia> if you are new to irc, your account is 1 year old,
[09:31] <ikonia> that seems odd to me
[09:31] <ikonia> mcloy: I explained to you in detail to stop cross-posting, you ignore it and got banned, I explained in more detail, you ingnored it, I explained it again, you ignored it and got banned
[09:31] <ikonia> you then kicked up a fuss that it was personal, so others explained to you that cross-posting wasn't helpful and to stop
[09:31] <ikonia> you got unbanned
[09:32] <ikonia> you then cross-posted again
[09:32] <mcloy> my brothers
[09:32] <ikonia> it seems you don't seem to understand "don't do this"
[09:33] <mcloy> i am new to irc. i thought my text is not visible in #ubuntu and i asked that to users too. "is my text visible?"
[09:33] <ikonia> you are not new to irc
[09:33] <ikonia> you have held the account for over a year
[09:33] <ikonia> you know how to kick up a fuss, pm people, evade bans,
[09:34] <ikonia> you should be able to understand simple instructions "don't cross-post"
[09:34] <mcloy> its my brothers. its mine now
[09:35] <ikonia> I don't know what that means, I'm sorry
[09:35] <ikonia> I'm also a little concerned that you seemed to do the cross-post 30 seconds after I removed myself from being "/away"
[09:35] <ikonia> although I may be reading more into that than I should. I admit
[09:35] <mcloy>  i thought my text is not visible in #ubuntu and i asked that to users too. "is my text visible?"
[09:36] <ikonia> I'm sorry, I don't accept that
[09:36] <ikonia> you know what you are doing,
[09:36] <ikonia> and you where told if you have any queries/issues ask in this channel, do not cross-post
[09:36] <mcloy> you are not sorry. you are getting it personally.
[09:36] <mcloy> stay away from me.
[09:36] <ikonia> at this point, I'll leave it to one of the other operators to deal with you.
[09:37] <ikonia> if none of the other operators are free at this time, I suggest you try later
[09:37] <ikonia> but please don't start pm'ing people again, I'm sure someone will be free at some shortly.
[09:38] <mcloy> i told you i thought my text was not going in the channel. thats why i did it.    YOU JUST NEEDED A REASON TO BAN ME.
[09:39] <bazhang> mcloy, lets lose the caps
[09:40] <mcloy> bazhang,  what now...
[09:40] <bazhang> mcloy, discuss with me
[09:40] <bazhang> not via PM please
[09:41] <bazhang> mcloy, I have a few minutes to discuss this, if you wish.
[09:41] <mcloy> you can see what i typed above . thats the truth. what else i can say...
[09:42] <bazhang> mcloy, you wish to use those few minutes productively, yes?
[09:42] <mcloy> it would be odd to repeat.  i am new to irc. i thought my text is not visible in #ubuntu and i asked that to users too. "is my text visible?"  i got no reply and i posted same question in #kubuntu. got no reply. i am banned . she just needed a reason to ban me. thats all
[09:42] <bazhang> mcloy, if not, come back at some other time in the future.
[09:42] <mcloy> bazhang,  hm
[09:43] <bazhang> ok mcloy then come back at some other time if you just wish to follow the above.
[09:43] <mcloy> bazhang,  i didnt got any warning or kick before a ban. i asked people "is my text visible"
[09:43] <bazhang> askubuntu.com is a good alternative mcloy
[09:43] <mcloy> bazhang,  i didnt understood. what is required?
[09:44] <bazhang> mcloy, its a website
[09:44] <bazhang> www.askubuntu.com
[09:44] <mcloy> can i be unbaned now?
[09:44] <bazhang> mcloy, NO
[09:46] <mcloy> you think i did that intentionaly. and its not a mistake and ikonia  was not trying to find the a reason to ban me?
[09:46] <bazhang> !crosspost | mcloy
[09:47] <ikonia> mcloy: how about I remove the ban from #ubuntu but leave the ban in place in #kubuntu and #ubuntu-server
[09:47] <ikonia> that will activly stop you from cross-posting the same questions in multiple channels ?
[09:47] <mcloy> bazhang, ^
[09:47] <bazhang> mcloy, not going to repeat all the guidelines chat as we did that yesterday. you were originally banned for the same behavior
[09:48] <mcloy> bazhang,  ofcourse. it was  a mistake.
[09:48] <ikonia> mcloy: if I remove the ban in #ubuntu you can get support from the primary channel, and thus stop you cross-posting in #kubuntu and #ubuntu-server any more ?
[09:48] <ikonia> would that be an acceptable way to allow you to use the channel ?
[09:48] <mcloy> i didnt knew the outcome. can you unban me bazhang ?
[09:49]  * mcloy waits for bazhang  voice too
[09:49] <ikonia> mcloy: I've given you a suggestion to get you unbanned from #ubuntu would that work for you ?
[09:49]  * mcloy nods
[09:51] <mcloy> ..?
[09:52] <bazhang> mcloy, I won't unban you at this time. if someone else sees fit to do so, that's their call.
[09:52] <bazhang> and I have to run now.
[09:52] <mcloy> because you think i did that intentionaly. and its not a mistake and ikonia  was not trying to find the a reason to ban me?
[09:54]  * mcloy waits
[09:54] <ikonia> !idle mcloy
[09:55] <ikonia> !idle | mcloy
[09:55]  * mcloy is waiting for his matter
[10:17] <Tm_T> aww
[10:18] <Tm_T> discussed in pm
[10:37] <Tm_T> @mark #ubuntu mcloy keep blaming ikonia, lies about details and tries to talk away from the blame
[11:28] <mcloy> anyone around?
[11:28] <bazhang> yes
[11:28] <mcloy> any second thoughts?
[11:28] <bazhang> about?
[11:28] <mcloy> the ban
[11:29] <bazhang> no
[11:29] <mcloy> plan to?
[11:29] <Tm_T> mcloy: I said, it wont change anytime soon
[11:29] <Tm_T> if you keep failing to listen, it will just move further
[11:30] <mcloy> soon is = ?
[11:30] <Tm_T> several weeks
[11:30] <mcloy> is there a ban time policy for ubuntu?
[11:30] <Tm_T> that bans are infinite until they're resolved
[11:31] <Tm_T> or whatever happens
[11:31] <mcloy> no time policy?
[11:31] <Tm_T> no
[11:31] <mcloy> how can i resolve my ban then?
[11:31] <Tm_T> by following instructions I have given to you
[11:31] <Tm_T> hint: I didn't instruct you to come here at the same day asking about it
[11:32] <mcloy> you gave me many instruction in the last hours. which relates to resolving the ban specificaly?
[11:32] <Tm_T> basicly all of them
[11:32] <Tm_T> in your case, that is
[11:32] <mcloy> can i request you to be concise?
[11:33] <mcloy> and specific
[11:33] <Tm_T> show that you can follow our rules in channels you are not banned for some time, multiple weeks
[11:34] <Tm_T> and perhaps after that we can return discussing to your unbanning
[11:34] <mcloy> i do not have busines in other channels. so i cannot spend time there.
[11:34] <Tm_T> also, you need to show that you take responsibility of your actions and you stop lying or twisting facts
[11:35] <mcloy> i do take responsibility for my acts, and if theres a conflict of lying. you can point it
[11:35] <Tm_T> either way, I cannot trust currently you can use our channels without breaking rules and causing unneeded diturbance, thus I am not going to let you in anytime soon
[11:35] <Tm_T> mcloy: I already did in our conversation in private, did I?
[11:35] <mcloy> as i told , i do not have busines in other channels. so i cannot spend time there.
[11:36] <mcloy> prooving my behaviour
[11:36] <mcloy> how else to resolve
[11:37] <Tm_T> then give us time, multiple weeks, and perhaps if you are honest and show that you understand things then you might be able to back in
[11:37] <Tm_T> that is, after multiple weeks
[11:37] <Tm_T> currently I don't see any other option
[11:37] <Tm_T> use other support channels in the meantime, like our forums, askubuntu etc
[11:37] <mcloy> good idea, but only thing i didnt grasped is what will change in those weeks?
[11:38] <mcloy> how will you know iam honest
[11:38] <Tm_T> by showing that you can listen instructions to stay away for multiple weeks for starters
[11:38] <mcloy> how can i not stay away , as i will be baned for those weeks.........
[11:38] <Tm_T> perhaps I cannot, I think it's my headache, not yours at this point
[11:38] <elky> He means from this channel.
[11:39] <Tm_T> ^
[11:39] <mcloy> this and ubuntu and kubuntu and ubuntu-server
[11:39] <mcloy> elky,
[11:40] <mcloy> how would you jugde me when iam not around. i didnt got the intellegence behind it.     (iam asking to improve and as its concerning me directly.)
[11:41] <Tm_T> mcloy: first thing you need to improve is to stay away from here as requested
[11:41] <Tm_T> if you cannot follow such a simple request, that's enough
[11:42] <mcloy> sure.
[11:42] <mcloy> but i was here as its for ops and user channels.  to resolve the issue.      iam not here offtopic
[11:42] <Tm_T> yes and we won't be discussing your matter until several weeks
[11:43] <mcloy> and iam not forcing anything. just trying to understand . what is the strategy to resolve.
[11:43] <mcloy> how weeks will help. iam wiling to obey.
[11:43] <Tm_T> also when we possibly eventually return to discussion, please, please, stop blaming ikonia, and all the other points I already gave you in private
[11:43] <mcloy> tell me when ill blame him again
[11:43] <Tm_T> mcloy: let's call it a simple test if you can follow instructions
[11:44] <Tm_T> mcloy: you keep saying you're banned only because of ikonia making it personal
[11:44] <mcloy> may i SuGgEsT a way?  unban me and moniter for some time. you can anytime ban again.         if you have a better way to resolve. iam willing to cooperate
[11:44] <Tm_T> no
[11:44] <Tm_T> you will not be unbanned at this time
[11:44] <Tm_T> I repeat, you will NOT be unbanned at this time
[11:45] <Tm_T> you are already banned again
[11:45] <mcloy> ok. its your choice. but tell me how to resolve. (time of weeks will not help resolve the issue.)
[11:45] <Tm_T> mcloy: I already said to you, show me that you can follow simple request of being away several weeks
[11:45] <Tm_T> that's first step
[11:45] <LjL> 1) come back in a couple of weeks, not before
[11:45] <mcloy> how would you jugde me when iam not around. i didnt got the intellegence behind it.     (iam asking to improve and as its concerning me directly.)
[11:45] <LjL> 2) when you come back, stop blaming and ignoring ikonia
[11:46] <LjL> that's the steps
[11:46] <mcloy> LjL, ^
[11:46] <Tm_T> yup
[11:46] <Tm_T> mcloy: anything unclear still? (:
[11:46] <mcloy> it will be odd for me to repeat
[11:47] <mcloy> how would you jugde me when iam not around. i didnt got the intellegence behind it.     (iam asking to improve and as its concerning me directly.) may i SuGgEsT a way?  unban me and moniter for some time. you can anytime ban again.         if you have a better way to resolve. iam willing to cooperate
[11:47] <LjL> mcloy: your question makes sense, but let me put it this way, since we cannot judge people when they're not around, should we never ban anyone?
[11:47] <Tm_T> mcloy: I can judge that you were able to follow the first step
[11:47] <LjL> mcloy: after all, as soon as they're banned, we can't "judge" them anymore
[11:48] <Tm_T> mcloy: I can also judge your response when we return to the discussion then after we have passed those several weeks
[11:48] <mcloy> yes. so wasting some more weeks of mine  plus 2 previous months of ban would be  a better way to resolve?
[11:48] <Tm_T> or anyone of us ops
[11:49] <Tm_T> mcloy: it's better than letting you in yet again rightaway without you showing you can follow any instructions
[11:50] <mcloy> there are certain qualities of a person that makes him op. e.g handle channel abuse. do justice and be reasonable. if you are stubburn and cosistent on you decision. its better for me to part and make milliions of ubuntu users - 1 .
[11:51] <LjL> that is your choice alone
[11:51] <mcloy> guilt / satisfaction / justice is  inside of a person. you can feel it if you want to
[11:51] <mcloy> LjL,  you and Tm_T   have left me no other
[11:51] <LjL> the way i see it, if the ops are being stubborn, at least they aren't the only ones who are being
[11:52] <mcloy> if you see it that way.
[11:52] <Tm_T> mcloy: I have given you a simple instructions how we can begin resolving this
[11:52] <mcloy> Tm_T,  that has no logic to me
[11:52] <LjL> you have an alternative
[11:52] <LjL> appeal to the IRC Council
[11:52] <Tm_T> mcloy: neither there is any logic on letting you back in
[11:53] <mcloy> cross posting was never that sever that it would last 2.5 months
[11:53] <Tm_T> anyway, if you choose not to follow my requests, I don't see what we can gain continuing the discussion here
[11:53] <Tm_T> mcloy: you forget your bandodging?
[11:53] <mcloy> only because you see it that wat
[11:53] <mcloy> way
[11:53] <Tm_T> and I repeat, bans aren't for punishment
[11:53] <mcloy> if you say so...
[11:54] <Tm_T> also there's no set time for bans, it's often up to the users how long the ban sticks
[11:54] <mcloy> it is a punishment and harrasment for me
[11:54] <mcloy> i see it . its not up to me as a user.     iam on decretion of some ops
[11:54] <ikonia> mcloy: I have given you an option of me removing the ban in #ubuntu only so you can use the channel
[11:55] <ikonia> keeping the bans in place in #kubuntu and #ubuntu-server so you can still get support in #ubuntu but stop cross-posting in the other channels
[11:55] <mcloy> if i would be taking options from you. i would have done it yesterday before chating and requestion ops for 5 hours. ikonia
[11:56] <ikonia> ok, so you're rejecting the option of having the ban removed, fair enough.
[11:56] <ikonia> I'll leave it as it is.
[11:56] <Tm_T> sounds fair to me
[11:56] <LjL> mcloy: if you don't even want to accept to have your ban removed because you have something personal against ikonia, that's only your problem, and there is nothing further to discuss
[11:56] <mcloy> freely speaking. i dont think ikonia is viable to be an op.  but thats my personal opinion if you dont like my view
[11:57] <mcloy> ofcourse. everyone is afraid to step a fellow op. despite injustice happens
[11:57] <Tm_T> mcloy: you can express that with lenghty argumentation to irc council if you wish
[11:57]  * mcloy nodes
[11:58] <mcloy> LjL,  i just didnt wanted my matter to be resolve by ikonia
[11:58] <mcloy> that is a choice i have.
[11:58] <LjL> yes, it's a choice you have
[11:58] <mcloy> it can be any other op
[11:58] <LjL> and it results for now in you staying banned
[11:58] <LjL> choices have consequences
[11:58] <mcloy> i know..
[11:58] <LjL> so, come back in a couple of weeks, *or* appeal to the IRC Council
[11:58] <LjL> that's where it's at
[11:58] <mcloy> iam happy today. and was yesterday.
[11:58] <LjL> and it won't change
[11:59] <mcloy> as i told Tm_T   its not just about ban. its about justice and making ubuntu better.       i have many ips. and can change nick. chatting in ubuntu is not a big game for me..  but i didnt
[12:00] <mcloy> i am not happy to see who became operators of #ubuntu .
[12:00] <LjL> mcloy: then if you think there is something wrong, the right venue is a mail to the IRC Council, where you can expose your thoughts in detail to the right people
[12:00] <mcloy> and this opinion is nutral
[12:00] <mcloy> theres no use.
[12:00] <mcloy> on user wont matter
[12:01] <mcloy> i understand i dont own ubuntu .and its not free for humanity
[12:01] <LjL> mcloy: you won't know if there's no use until you try
[12:01] <mcloy> i understand i dont own ubuntu .and its not free for humanity
[12:02] <mcloy> thats all i will say
[12:02] <LjL> ok, if there is nothing further (and i don't think there is at this point), please /part for now. you know what your options are.
[12:03] <mcloy> ya. i would love to see you add a 1 plus to millions of kicks and bans you have me and enjoy.
[12:03] <mcloy> if it would be upto me. ill stay in ubuntu
[12:04]  * mcloy claps
[14:35] <IdleOne> Guest55695: identify!
[14:36] <oCean> friend or foe!?
[14:37] <IdleOne> friend
[16:21] <Mamarok> it's Pici
[16:22] <Fuchs> that doesn't answer the friend or foe question!
[16:22] <Fuchs> ;)
[16:22] <Mamarok> oh yes it does
[16:31] <IdleOne> "it's Pici" should answer any questions you may have.
[16:31] <funkyHat> I had a question about the meaning of life. I suppose you're right.
[16:33] <IdleOne> :)
[16:34] <Fuchs> wouldn't he be Guest4242 then?
[16:35] <funkyHat> Fuchs: a common mistake! 42 is the answer to the "ultimate question", not the meaning of life.
[16:35] <Fuchs> oh, I thought of the meaning of life as a subset until now. Thank you very much for that update <3
[16:36] <funkyHat> ⢁D
[17:09] <ikonia> hi epzil0n
[17:10] <epzil0n> hi there
[17:10] <epzil0n> wazup?
[17:10] <ikonia> can we help you with something ?
[17:10] <ikonia> I suspect your dns hostname has caused some problems
[17:11] <ikonia> is there something you need/want from the operator team ?
[17:11] <epzil0n> Ahh, well int's a bnc and disconnects now and then
[17:11] <epzil0n> no, don't know why i'm this channel
[17:11] <ikonia> epzil0n: well, the hostname it's resolving to isn't really going to work in the ubuntu channels
[17:11] <IdleOne> right but it is offensive and why you got forwarded to this channel
[17:12] <epzil0n> hehe, ok i'll just change that.. only humor nothing else sry
[17:12] <ikonia> epzil0n: thanks
[17:12] <IdleOne> thank you.
[17:12] <epzil0n> np ;)
[17:12] <ikonia> epzil0n: if you change it to something without the bad language, you'll gain access to the channel you wanted
[17:13] <epzil0n> ok
[17:13] <epzil0n> byebye
[17:14] <Unit193> He was from #xubuntu
[17:14] <ikonia> thanks
[18:54] <Myrtti> I've asked him to join here
[18:55] <pgib> didn't know about this chan
[18:56] <Myrtti> so you had a pastebin link?
[18:57] <pgib> right. I went into #ubuntu. upon join, pl099 started sending me messages asking what I do, and asking if I could help him with some bank drop.. sounds like he is trying to scam people, or just being really silly. But I didn't want anyone else to get in trouble from him
[18:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> pgib, can you take a screenshot of the private messages from that person to you and share it through imagebin ?
[18:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> Also, the nick is not registered
[18:59] <Myrtti> there's a pastebin
[18:59] <Myrtti> http://pastebin.com/Uf6fXmzB
[19:01] <Myrtti> I'll nudge him in pm
[19:04] <pgib> http://snag.gy/G1QsR.jpg
[19:05] <Myrtti> alright, thanks, his idle time is 12 minutes so atleast he's not doing it now to anyone else.
[19:05] <Myrtti> I'll keep my eyes open.
[19:06] <pgib> yeah, he stopped messaging me one we stirred up commotion with the !op command
[19:07] <pgib> and now he has quit anyways
[19:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> Might be a troll
[19:07] <Tm_T> thar's new
[21:11] <Corey> Are we "a Ubuntu shop" or "an Ubuntu shop?"
[21:30] <popey> an
[21:31] <popey> unless you pronounce it "you-bun-too"
[21:31] <popey> altohugh even then it sounds odd
[22:09] <Daviey> I think it's a .. as in 'a pending-trademark-approval shop'