[07:53] hi [07:53] ubuntustudio 12.04 have installed XFCE [07:55] can i replace it? [07:55] but with the same options? === Anthony is now known as Guest94728 [09:22] Hey Guys. I've install last version of Ubuntu Studio and I can't find something like System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts [09:23] I would like to open even terminal using shortcuts but standard Ctrl +Alt +T does not work [09:29] i've reconnected from Xchat.. [09:30] so, if anyone know how to set up key shortcuts in ubuntu studio please answer, thanks. [14:35] This jackd is killing me %) [14:39] mighty_aboba: Why us that? [14:39] is* [14:39] The errors on stop [14:40] and on start [14:41] it don't want to start [14:43] mighty_aboba: There's a bug with qjackctl not being able to stop jackdbus (which is the default) [14:43] mighty_aboba: In a terminal do: killall -9 jackdbus [14:43] Then use qjackctl to start jack again [14:44] yes, i have script in settings [14:44] mighty_aboba: We are hoping to backport the newer version of qjackctl as soon as possible, which hopefully will not suffer from this issue [14:45] It is an annoying bug :P [14:45] Using jack_control from commandline seems to work better. [14:45] when i press on exit in qjackctl it is killing jackdbus [14:45] That is one of the changes. [14:45] but it is not main problem now [14:46] I don't understand one thing [14:47] I kill jackdbus [14:47] and start qjackctl again but jackd is not starting [14:47] for troubleshooting, i use "gksudo qjackctl" [14:48] holstein: This is not a privilege issue. [14:48] i also just suggest not using JACK if you dont need it [14:48] mighty_aboba: So, is jackdbus still running after you quit jack? Did you check? [14:48] ailo: sure.. i just do it first to make sure i have the device configured [14:48] http://ShareText.org/D5NX [14:48] it is the output [14:48] if it starts as root, then i *know* its supposed to start [14:49] I have found jackd to be more temperamental of late. [14:49] when i'm start it [14:50] could have the settings set too extreme as well [14:50] mighty_aboba: I think jackdbus is probably still running [14:50] To make sure, check for the process in whatever app you prefer [14:50] yeah, that too... if you didnt stop it, or issue the kill command ailo suggested mighty_aboba [14:50] ailo: Yes I check [14:51] It is not still running [14:51] mighty_aboba: drop us some error messages [14:51] mighty_aboba: Did you try restarting pulseaudio? Could be the pulseaudio jack module is causing problems [14:51] Just killall pulseaudio, so it restarts [14:51] mighty_aboba: restart the computer if you cant sort out what it what [14:52] mighty_aboba: Also, do you need pulsaudio to connect to jack? If not, disable dbus support in qjackctl, and you will not get this problem [14:53] bigger question is, do you need JACK... if not, just dont use it and you wont have this problem ;) [14:53] yes, i need [14:53] very much [14:54] mighty_aboba: pulseaudio, or jack? [14:54] I kill pulseaudio [14:54] now [14:54] and tryied to start jackd [14:54] same results [14:55] errors on start [14:55] I kill pulseaudio and jackdbus before [14:55] http://ShareText.org/D5NX [14:55] error messages [14:56] i would look in "ps aux" for it [14:56] looks like hw:2 is selected? [14:56] yes [14:56] i select my second card [14:57] good luck!.. i gotta run, but ailo and len-dt are on the case! [14:58] i usually suggest disabling one card in the bios if possible [14:58] He can start it, but not twice [14:58] After quitting, it won't start again [14:58] in pavucontrol try configuring the card you are not using to off [14:58] Usually, it's jackdbus that needs to be killed. My second guess was PA making trouble. What else is there? dbus? [14:59] My secondcard is USB [14:59] minr too. [14:59] I have to go to the PA mixer and turn off my first card. [14:59] holstein: Hey, you need to be relieved once in a while. Catch you later [15:00] My pulseaudio is killed now [15:00] PA respawns [15:00] mighty_aboba: Do you need pulseaudio to connect to jack? [15:01] as soon as you kill pulse it restarts. [15:01] Yeah, killing pulseaudio should reset it [15:03] ok, last news) [15:04] if i select not alsa in settings [15:04] press OK [15:04] and again enter to settings and select alsa and hw:2 [15:04] it is working [15:04] weird [15:04] That sounds like a bug [15:05] very strange behavior [15:05] Its pulse trying to do too much and jack being too dumb :-) [15:05] same stuff we were just talking about ailo [15:06] Not qjackctl? [15:06] He gets it working by adjusting qjackctl settings, but not starting jack [15:06] mighty_aboba: If you have the time, please report it here https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86211&atid=578826 [15:07] That's the bug tracker for qjackctl [15:07] I would assume it's a qjackctl bug [15:07] Just second [15:08] Wow, only one bug reported this year [15:08] I think it is not a bug [15:09] i'm trying to repeat all actions [15:10] Now i don't understand why it didn't start [15:13] mighty_aboba: If it does happen again, do consider reporting it as a bug. [15:13] Okey:) [15:15] I think it is not a bug, because it problem is effect of "on stop" bug [15:15] I think so [15:19] Does anyone know why "on stop" bug has appeared in this release? [15:19] mighty_aboba: You mean, "Execute script on Shutdown"? [15:20] I would add "killall jackdbus -9" as a "..after Shutdown", to make sure qjackctl is no longer doing anything with jackdbus [15:22] I meant "killall -9 jackdbus" of course [15:24] ailo: You mean, "Execute script on Shutdown"? [15:24] yes, but 'after Shutdown' [15:25] if there is trouble qjackctl never gets to after [15:27] len-dt: Are you saying the "after" doesn't happen, if jackdbus is not stopped as it should? [15:27] That is what seems to be the case. [15:28] How so? [15:28] qjackctl goes nonresponsive [15:28] jackdbus was not running [15:28] It is happen [15:28] qjackctl was working, but just not starting jack again [15:28] When i press stop [15:28] qjackctl only knows what dbus tells it. [15:29] i have error messages [15:29] it is "on stop" bug [15:29] Part of the problem is with the dbus to jack stuff not sure if that is dbus or jack. [15:30] but i have script "after shutdown" which kill jackdbus on exit [15:30] I tested this quite a bit with jack_control from command line and saw some of the same issues. [15:30] and on new start all ok [15:31] len-dt: I see it now. [15:32] len-dt: I just tried using the "after shutdown" script to stop jackdbus [15:33] I am not sure if the bug has been filed against jackd, but it should. because the problem happens when using all jackd package tools. [15:34] Actually, now I can't make the bug happen [15:34] I need to check more [15:35] It seems that the "after shutdown" actually does work for me [15:36] nope [15:36] Ya I found if I did start stop many times the problem happened less than farther apart [15:36] I finally got it to hang with the script [15:37] Anyway, I have to go... [15:37] But... [15:37] jackdbus was killed [15:37] It was just qjackctl that hung for me [15:38] Well, I would need to test more.. See you len-dt [23:06] hello. i would like to buy a USB soundcard.. anyone can tell me one good? [23:46] licensed, How many channels? [23:46] len-dt, don't matter.. do you know if usb soundcard haves bigger delay than pci soundcards? [23:46] i need midi input only [23:47] Midi I don't know. [23:47] I have heard that usb midi can be a problem. [23:48] My USB IF is audio only. [23:52] The only report I have heard licensed, is that the timing was "all over the place" Not late only but varying amounts. [23:54] len-dt, what you recommend for use midi? [23:54] i need midi soundcard [23:54] licensed, I use an old ensoniq card game port [23:55] licensed, I have not been able to play with a USB midi IF, so I haven't had a chance to play with settings. I have heard that CPU timer settings are important [23:56] In particular the hi rez timers. [23:56] yes it's very important [23:56] licensed, By default UbuntuStudio does not come with the hi res timers readable in user space. [23:57] i'm starting with home studio.. i would like to record some songs, with my piano [23:57] Do you have a USB midi port? [23:58] This site has the info on letting userspace read timers: http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration [23:59] no i don't have.. I use onboard soundcard from my gigabyte motherboard