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| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 07:31 |
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| chrisccoulson | it's quiet in here this morning | 08:52 |
| RAOF | Hey chrisccoulson! | 09:00 |
| RAOF | Yeah, it's been quiet all day. | 09:01 |
| chrisccoulson | hi RAOF | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 09:02 |
| RAOF | I'm good. | 09:03 |
| RAOF | Getting a bit EODy. | 09:04 |
| RAOF | Oh. Because it's 7pm, apparently. | 09:04 |
| RAOF | Oops. | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 09:06 |
| mlankhorst | heya | 09:09 |
| chrisccoulson | hi mlankhorst | 09:10 |
| xclaesse | is there a reason why ubuntu 12.04 installs libreoffice-gtk and not libreoffice-gtk3 ? | 12:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | xclaesse; because libreoffice-gnome depends on libreoffice-gtk and not both on libreoffice-gtk && libreoffice-gtk3 | 12:17 |
| mitya57 | xclaesse: IIRC because it's not working yet | 12:18 |
| mitya57 | xclaess: maybe Sweetshark can tell more | 12:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | I just installed -gtk3 but I'm not noticing any differences...? | 12:23 |
| mitya57 | MrChrisDruif: remove -gtk and you'll be greeted by Windows95-style controls :) | 12:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | mitya57; maybe by removing -gtk it also removes -gnome which does that? | 12:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, I'm off for some groceries | 12:28 |
| mitya57 | MrChrisDruif: from -gnome package description: | 12:28 |
| mitya57 | > This package contains the GIO support and a GConf backend. | 12:28 |
| mitya57 | I don't think it's related to the UI | 12:28 |
| Laney | # | 12:52 |
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| xclaesse | MrChrisDruif, mitya57: ok thanks, it seems it's more work that just installing -gtk3 instead of -gtk... maybe too early to make the change... :) | 13:44 |
| ronoc | chrisccoulson, ping | 16:03 |
| ronoc | thunderbird is really acting up on me ... | 16:06 |
| ronoc | i can barely view my emails | 16:06 |
| ronoc | not to mention send 'em | 16:06 |
| ronoc | got move venue back in 10 | 16:06 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: still there? If this is with 12.04, my experience was similar. I thought it was just Thunderbird, but I now think it's some interaction with Unity. (both 2d and 3d) | 18:06 |
| ronoc | hoonteke, exactly | 18:06 |
| hoonteke | Why? I was generally having performance and stability issues with Compiz, and finally got fed up enough to try some other desktop environments. | 18:06 |
| hoonteke | I ended up on OpenBox, and now Thunderbird is downright zippy. | 18:06 |
| ronoc | the dbus-daemon acting up is not good thing. | 18:07 |
| ronoc | wow | 18:07 |
| ronoc | i need to talk to chris coulson | 18:07 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: I never diagnosed /exactly/ what was going on, but did *nothing* to futz with thunderbird. | 18:07 |
| hoonteke | the only thing I changed was unity to openbox. | 18:07 |
| ronoc | hoonteke, i was trying to tidy up my mails that was all | 18:07 |
| ronoc | weird | 18:08 |
| hoonteke | FWIW, I tried many variants, including unity 2d and 3d, gnome 3, "classic", and so on. all were having issues. I did not try XFCE, but settled on OpenBox when the whole experience was just plain faster and used a *heckuva* lot less resources. | 18:08 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: the frustrating thing is I *like* where Canonical is going with the UI of Unity. But I need to be able to work, and that boils down to speed of interaction for me. | 18:10 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: and unfortunately, "speed of interaction" boils down to "use less resources" and "don't crash, ever". Neither of which Unity satisfies. sigh. | 18:11 |
| ronoc | hoonteke, well there must be something going on, i'm sure we'll fix it asap | 18:11 |
| ronoc | i'll talk with chrisccoulson | 18:11 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: oh ... missed the detail thatyou're a dev type. Thought you were a "regular user" like me. Heh, promise I wasn't trying to lament the situation, but help commiserate. :-) | 18:12 |
| ronoc | hoonteke, no problem, thanks for the feedback :) | 18:13 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: as an interested party and Ubuntu advocate, is there a patch mailing list to which I can subscribe to watch various code commits? For instance, I subscribe to libreoffice-commits@lists.freedesktop.org to watch various commits go by. | 18:19 |
| hoonteke | I've been so far unable to find a Unity patch mailing list. | 18:19 |
| ronoc | i don't think there is patch mailing list, there the dev mailing list though hoonteke | 18:22 |
| ronoc | http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ | 18:22 |
| ronoc | okay gotta run | 18:22 |
| ronoc | speak later | 18:22 |
| hoonteke | ronoc: FWIW, I think Chris is at least peripherally aware of this issue, as Wayne specifically CC'd him on this bug report: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562977 . (Comments 16+.) Can't say if it's high on his TODO list though, as this has been an issue since 2008 or so | 18:22 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 562977 in Mail Window Front End "thunderbird progress bar activity puts CPU at 20%" [Minor,Unconfirmed: ] | 18:23 |
| hoonteke | okay. seeya | 18:23 |
| ronoc | ok good to know | 18:23 |
| ronoc | thank | 18:23 |
| hoonteke | np. thanks for the contact-us link. | 18:24 |
| ronoc | np hoonteke | 18:29 |
| ronoc | okay now I'm gone :) | 18:29 |
| hoonteke | ha | 18:29 |
| hoonteke | believe it when I "see" it | 18:29 |
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| robert_ancell | desrt, hey, I always find GUADEC never clearly shows the schedule - what days do you plan to be there? 26-1st? | 21:24 |
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| chrisccoulson | hmmm, i wish i could undock without having to log out of my session | 22:09 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, why do you need to log out? | 22:28 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, i get a GPU hang if compiz is running | 22:29 |
| chrisccoulson | (when i disconnect an external screen) | 22:29 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, oh, fun | 22:29 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah :( | 22:29 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, oh, btw, do you know of any reason not to update quantal webkitgtk to 1.9? | 22:30 |
| robert_ancell | or are we all just waiting for someone else to do it | 22:30 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, i'm not sure. i think seb talked to micah about this last week, but i don't remember the outcome | 22:30 |
| robert_ancell | people really need to file bugs for these from the versions page so we know what to do | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, it's here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/25/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:49 | 22:32 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, ta | 22:33 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, oh, what's with the arm/ppc build failures for tb/ff? | 22:33 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, i'm not sure about armel, and ppc is on the list of architectures that i mostly ignore ;) | 22:33 |
| chrisccoulson | ppc hasn't built for a while | 22:33 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, does someone go around and fix those up? | 22:33 |
| robert_ancell | they seem to go away eventually | 22:34 |
| robert_ancell | actually, does anyone know why we even bother supporting ppc anymore? | 22:34 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, no, they mostly get ignored. i'm still not sure why we haven't killed ppc already | 22:34 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i wonder the same ;) | 22:34 |
| robert_ancell | is the only hardware old macs? | 22:34 |
| chrisccoulson | i think so | 22:34 |
| RAOF | And pre-patch PS3s :) | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | the only person i know with ppc hardware is the person who reported bug 926495 | 22:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 926495 in thunderbird "FTBFS on powerpc (again)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926495 | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | who is the only person to notice that firefox doesn't build ;) | 22:36 |
| robert_ancell | I only notice because it's at the top of the versions page. Perhaps we should just blacklist ppc | 22:38 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i don't think anyone looking at that is really all that concerned with ppc :) | 22:39 |
| robert_ancell | it must actually be getting to the point where we could just feasibly support amd64 and armhf and be done with it | 22:39 |
| TheMuso | Yeah, I used to care about PPC< but lost interest after nobody stepped up from the community to help... | 22:39 |
| TheMuso | Those who care about ppc should just go to Debian IMO. | 22:39 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, well, apart from i386, we're almost there. i was told last week not to worry about armel issues too :) | 22:40 |
| jbicha | now's a good time to kill it with non-PAE support getting killed & 12.04 being supported until 2017 | 22:40 |
| robert_ancell | who decides? The TB? | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | And the x32 ABI is possibly coming at some point... | 22:41 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i was just about to mention that too | 22:42 |
| chrisccoulson | i think now is a good time to log out and undock, before my head explodes from all this assembler :) | 22:48 |
| * chrisccoulson gets all the fun bugs | 22:48 | |
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