=== Jacky is now known as GLaDOS === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-zz === Ursinha-zz is now known as Ursinha-zzz === GLaDOS is now known as Guest12539 === Guest12539 is now known as Jacky === Ursinha-zzz is now known as Ursinha [07:31] good morning everyone === jml` is now known as jml [08:52] it's quiet in here this morning [09:00] Hey chrisccoulson! [09:01] Yeah, it's been quiet all day. [09:02] hi RAOF [09:02] how are you? [09:03] I'm good. [09:04] Getting a bit EODy. [09:04] Oh. Because it's 7pm, apparently. [09:05] Oops. [09:06] heh :) [09:09] heya [09:10] hi mlankhorst [12:07] is there a reason why ubuntu 12.04 installs libreoffice-gtk and not libreoffice-gtk3 ? [12:17] xclaesse; because libreoffice-gnome depends on libreoffice-gtk and not both on libreoffice-gtk && libreoffice-gtk3 [12:18] xclaesse: IIRC because it's not working yet [12:19] xclaess: maybe Sweetshark can tell more [12:23] I just installed -gtk3 but I'm not noticing any differences...? [12:25] MrChrisDruif: remove -gtk and you'll be greeted by Windows95-style controls :) [12:27] mitya57; maybe by removing -gtk it also removes -gnome which does that? [12:28] Anyhow, I'm off for some groceries [12:28] MrChrisDruif: from -gnome package description: [12:28] > This package contains the GIO support and a GConf backend. [12:28] I don't think it's related to the UI [12:52] # === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:44] MrChrisDruif, mitya57: ok thanks, it seems it's more work that just installing -gtk3 instead of -gtk... maybe too early to make the change... :) [16:03] chrisccoulson, ping [16:06] thunderbird is really acting up on me ... [16:06] i can barely view my emails [16:06] not to mention send 'em [16:06] got move venue back in 10 [18:06] ronoc: still there? If this is with 12.04, my experience was similar. I thought it was just Thunderbird, but I now think it's some interaction with Unity. (both 2d and 3d) [18:06] hoonteke, exactly [18:06] Why? I was generally having performance and stability issues with Compiz, and finally got fed up enough to try some other desktop environments. [18:06] I ended up on OpenBox, and now Thunderbird is downright zippy. [18:07] the dbus-daemon acting up is not good thing. [18:07] wow [18:07] i need to talk to chris coulson [18:07] ronoc: I never diagnosed /exactly/ what was going on, but did *nothing* to futz with thunderbird. [18:07] the only thing I changed was unity to openbox. [18:07] hoonteke, i was trying to tidy up my mails that was all [18:08] weird [18:08] FWIW, I tried many variants, including unity 2d and 3d, gnome 3, "classic", and so on. all were having issues. I did not try XFCE, but settled on OpenBox when the whole experience was just plain faster and used a *heckuva* lot less resources. [18:10] ronoc: the frustrating thing is I *like* where Canonical is going with the UI of Unity. But I need to be able to work, and that boils down to speed of interaction for me. [18:11] ronoc: and unfortunately, "speed of interaction" boils down to "use less resources" and "don't crash, ever". Neither of which Unity satisfies. sigh. [18:11] hoonteke, well there must be something going on, i'm sure we'll fix it asap [18:11] i'll talk with chrisccoulson [18:12] ronoc: oh ... missed the detail thatyou're a dev type. Thought you were a "regular user" like me. Heh, promise I wasn't trying to lament the situation, but help commiserate. :-) [18:13] hoonteke, no problem, thanks for the feedback :) [18:19] ronoc: as an interested party and Ubuntu advocate, is there a patch mailing list to which I can subscribe to watch various code commits? For instance, I subscribe to libreoffice-commits@lists.freedesktop.org to watch various commits go by. [18:19] I've been so far unable to find a Unity patch mailing list. [18:22] i don't think there is patch mailing list, there the dev mailing list though hoonteke [18:22] http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ [18:22] okay gotta run [18:22] speak later [18:22] ronoc: FWIW, I think Chris is at least peripherally aware of this issue, as Wayne specifically CC'd him on this bug report: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562977 . (Comments 16+.) Can't say if it's high on his TODO list though, as this has been an issue since 2008 or so [18:23] Mozilla bug 562977 in Mail Window Front End "thunderbird progress bar activity puts CPU at 20%" [Minor,Unconfirmed: ] [18:23] okay. seeya [18:23] ok good to know [18:23] thank [18:24] np. thanks for the contact-us link. [18:29] np hoonteke [18:29] okay now I'm gone :) [18:29] ha [18:29] believe it when I "see" it === soren_ is now known as soren [21:24] desrt, hey, I always find GUADEC never clearly shows the schedule - what days do you plan to be there? 26-1st? === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:09] hmmm, i wish i could undock without having to log out of my session [22:28] chrisccoulson, why do you need to log out? [22:29] robert_ancell, i get a GPU hang if compiz is running [22:29] (when i disconnect an external screen) [22:29] chrisccoulson, oh, fun [22:29] yeah :( [22:30] chrisccoulson, oh, btw, do you know of any reason not to update quantal webkitgtk to 1.9? [22:30] or are we all just waiting for someone else to do it [22:30] robert_ancell, i'm not sure. i think seb talked to micah about this last week, but i don't remember the outcome [22:31] people really need to file bugs for these from the versions page so we know what to do [22:32] ah, it's here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/25/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:49 [22:33] chrisccoulson, ta [22:33] chrisccoulson, oh, what's with the arm/ppc build failures for tb/ff? [22:33] robert_ancell, i'm not sure about armel, and ppc is on the list of architectures that i mostly ignore ;) [22:33] ppc hasn't built for a while [22:33] yeah, does someone go around and fix those up? [22:34] they seem to go away eventually [22:34] actually, does anyone know why we even bother supporting ppc anymore? [22:34] robert_ancell, no, they mostly get ignored. i'm still not sure why we haven't killed ppc already [22:34] yeah, i wonder the same ;) [22:34] is the only hardware old macs? [22:34] i think so [22:35] And pre-patch PS3s :) [22:35] the only person i know with ppc hardware is the person who reported bug 926495 [22:35] Launchpad bug 926495 in thunderbird "FTBFS on powerpc (again)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926495 [22:36] who is the only person to notice that firefox doesn't build ;) [22:38] I only notice because it's at the top of the versions page. Perhaps we should just blacklist ppc [22:39] yeah, i don't think anyone looking at that is really all that concerned with ppc :) [22:39] it must actually be getting to the point where we could just feasibly support amd64 and armhf and be done with it [22:39] Yeah, I used to care about PPC< but lost interest after nobody stepped up from the community to help... [22:39] Those who care about ppc should just go to Debian IMO. [22:40] robert_ancell, well, apart from i386, we're almost there. i was told last week not to worry about armel issues too :) [22:40] now's a good time to kill it with non-PAE support getting killed & 12.04 being supported until 2017 [22:41] who decides? The TB? [22:41] And the x32 ABI is possibly coming at some point... [22:42] yeah, i was just about to mention that too [22:48] i think now is a good time to log out and undock, before my head explodes from all this assembler :) [22:48] * chrisccoulson gets all the fun bugs