[07:31] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> it's quiet in here this morning
[09:00] <RAOF> Hey chrisccoulson!
[09:01] <RAOF> Yeah, it's been quiet all day.
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:03] <RAOF> I'm good.
[09:04] <RAOF> Getting a bit EODy.
[09:04] <RAOF> Oh.  Because it's 7pm, apparently.
[09:05] <RAOF> Oops.
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:09] <mlankhorst> heya
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> hi mlankhorst
[12:07] <xclaesse> is there a reason why ubuntu 12.04 installs libreoffice-gtk and not libreoffice-gtk3 ?
[12:17] <MrChrisDruif> xclaesse; because libreoffice-gnome depends on libreoffice-gtk and not both on libreoffice-gtk && libreoffice-gtk3
[12:18] <mitya57> xclaesse: IIRC because it's not working yet
[12:19] <mitya57> xclaess: maybe Sweetshark can tell more
[12:23] <MrChrisDruif> I just installed -gtk3 but I'm not noticing any differences...?
[12:25] <mitya57> MrChrisDruif: remove -gtk and you'll be greeted by Windows95-style controls :)
[12:27] <MrChrisDruif> mitya57; maybe by removing -gtk it also removes -gnome which does that?
[12:28] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off for some groceries
[12:28] <mitya57> MrChrisDruif: from -gnome package description:
[12:28] <mitya57> > This package contains the GIO support and a GConf backend.
[12:28] <mitya57> I don't think it's related to the UI
[12:52] <Laney> #
[13:44] <xclaesse> MrChrisDruif, mitya57: ok thanks, it seems it's more work that just installing -gtk3 instead of -gtk... maybe too early to make the change... :)
[16:03] <ronoc> chrisccoulson, ping
[16:06] <ronoc> thunderbird is really acting up on me ...
[16:06] <ronoc> i can barely view my emails
[16:06] <ronoc> not to mention send 'em
[16:06] <ronoc> got move venue back in 10
[18:06] <hoonteke> ronoc: still there?  If this is with 12.04, my experience was similar.  I thought it was just Thunderbird, but I now think it's some interaction with Unity.  (both 2d and 3d)
[18:06] <ronoc> hoonteke, exactly
[18:06] <hoonteke> Why?  I was generally having performance and stability issues with Compiz, and finally got fed up enough to try some other desktop environments.
[18:06] <hoonteke> I ended up on OpenBox, and now Thunderbird is downright zippy.
[18:07] <ronoc> the dbus-daemon acting up is not good thing.
[18:07] <ronoc> wow
[18:07] <ronoc> i need to talk to chris coulson
[18:07] <hoonteke> ronoc: I never diagnosed /exactly/ what was going on, but did *nothing* to futz with thunderbird.
[18:07] <hoonteke> the only thing I changed was unity to openbox.
[18:07] <ronoc> hoonteke, i was trying to tidy up my mails that was all
[18:08] <ronoc> weird
[18:08] <hoonteke> FWIW, I tried many variants, including unity 2d and 3d, gnome 3, "classic", and so on.  all were having issues.  I did not try XFCE, but settled on OpenBox when the whole experience was just plain faster and used a *heckuva* lot less resources.
[18:10] <hoonteke> ronoc: the frustrating thing is I *like* where Canonical is going with the UI of Unity.  But I need to be able to work, and that boils down to speed of interaction for me.
[18:11] <hoonteke> ronoc: and unfortunately, "speed of interaction" boils down to "use less resources" and "don't crash, ever".  Neither of which Unity satisfies.  sigh.
[18:11] <ronoc> hoonteke, well there must be something going on, i'm sure we'll fix it asap
[18:11] <ronoc> i'll talk with chrisccoulson
[18:12] <hoonteke> ronoc: oh ... missed the detail thatyou're a dev type.  Thought you were a "regular user" like me.  Heh, promise I wasn't trying to lament the situation, but help commiserate.  :-)
[18:13] <ronoc> hoonteke, no problem, thanks for the feedback :)
[18:19] <hoonteke> ronoc: as an interested party and Ubuntu advocate, is there a patch mailing list to which I can subscribe to watch various code commits?  For instance, I subscribe to libreoffice-commits@lists.freedesktop.org to watch various commits go by.
[18:19] <hoonteke> I've been so far unable to find a Unity patch mailing list.
[18:22] <ronoc> i don't think there is patch mailing list, there the dev mailing list though hoonteke
[18:22] <ronoc> http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/
[18:22] <ronoc> okay gotta run
[18:22] <ronoc> speak later
[18:22] <hoonteke> ronoc: FWIW, I think Chris is at least peripherally aware of this issue, as Wayne specifically CC'd him on this bug report: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562977  .  (Comments 16+.)  Can't say if it's high on his TODO list though, as this has been an issue since 2008 or so
[18:23] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 562977 in Mail Window Front End "thunderbird progress bar activity puts CPU at 20%" [Minor,Unconfirmed: ]
[18:23] <hoonteke> okay.  seeya
[18:23] <ronoc> ok good to know
[18:23] <ronoc> thank
[18:24] <hoonteke> np.  thanks for the contact-us link.
[18:29] <ronoc> np hoonteke
[18:29] <ronoc> okay now I'm gone :)
[18:29] <hoonteke> ha
[18:29] <hoonteke> believe it when I "see" it
[21:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, hey, I always find GUADEC never clearly shows the schedule - what days do you plan to be there? 26-1st?
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i wish i could undock without having to log out of my session
[22:28] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, why do you need to log out?
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, i get a GPU hang if compiz is running
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> (when i disconnect an external screen)
[22:29] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, oh, fun
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> yeah :(
[22:30] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, oh, btw, do you know of any reason not to update quantal webkitgtk to 1.9?
[22:30] <robert_ancell> or are we all just waiting for someone else to do it
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, i'm not sure. i think seb talked to micah about this last week, but i don't remember the outcome
[22:31] <robert_ancell> people really need to file bugs for these from the versions page so we know what to do
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> ah, it's here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/25/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:49
[22:33] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, ta
[22:33] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, oh, what's with the arm/ppc build failures for tb/ff?
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, i'm not sure about armel, and ppc is on the list of architectures that i mostly ignore ;)
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> ppc hasn't built for a while
[22:33] <robert_ancell> yeah, does someone go around and fix those up?
[22:34] <robert_ancell> they seem to go away eventually
[22:34] <robert_ancell> actually, does anyone know why we even bother supporting ppc anymore?
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, no, they mostly get ignored. i'm still not sure why we haven't killed ppc already
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i wonder the same ;)
[22:34] <robert_ancell> is the only hardware old macs?
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> i think so
[22:35] <RAOF> And pre-patch PS3s :)
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> the only person i know with ppc hardware is the person who reported bug 926495
[22:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 926495 in thunderbird "FTBFS on powerpc (again)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926495
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> who is the only person to notice that firefox doesn't build ;)
[22:38] <robert_ancell> I only notice because it's at the top of the versions page.  Perhaps we should just blacklist ppc
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't think anyone looking at that is really all that concerned with ppc :)
[22:39] <robert_ancell> it must actually be getting to the point where we could just feasibly support amd64 and armhf and be done with it
[22:39] <TheMuso> Yeah, I used to care about PPC< but lost interest after nobody stepped up from the community to help...
[22:39] <TheMuso> Those who care about ppc should just go to Debian IMO.
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, well, apart from i386, we're almost there. i was told last week not to worry about armel issues too :)
[22:40] <jbicha> now's a good time to kill it with non-PAE support getting killed & 12.04 being supported until 2017
[22:41] <robert_ancell> who decides?  The TB?
[22:41] <TheMuso> And the x32 ABI is possibly coming at some point...
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i was just about to mention that too
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> i think now is a good time to log out and undock, before my head explodes from all this assembler :)
[22:48]  * chrisccoulson gets all the fun bugs