| JontheEchidna | after 5 hours | 00:29 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | I have bent kde-workspace to my will | 00:29 |
| JontheEchidna | FTBFS's FEAR ME | 00:29 |
| JontheEchidna | now it's just tame stuff like .install file tweaks | 00:33 |
| JontheEchidna | but Stallman almighty, double builds are no fun | 00:33 |
| dantti | ScottK: ping | 00:40 |
| mgraesslin | yofel: in case you want to test https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105098/ | 06:10 |
| tsdgeos | debfx: I have a upstream patch that's been accepted in Qt that i'd like to get in Ubuntu's Qt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/999522 Any hint on how to proceed? | 08:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 999522 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Fix problems in Qt dragging when all of the window target has been shaped out for input" [Undecided,New] | 08:25 |
| debfx | tsdgeos: first we need to fix it in quantal. is that commit part of Qt 4.8.2? | 09:05 |
| tsdgeos | debfx: afaik no, it came too late for the 4.8.2 release | 09:06 |
| tsdgeos | debfx: dholbach might be having a look in #ubuntu-devel too, just in case you both end up doing the same :D | 09:06 |
| tsdgeos | debfx: though i'm sure he's happy to pass it over to you :-) | 09:07 |
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| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:08 |
| ScottK | dantti: pong | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | wheeee | 13:54 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: http://androidroot.mobi/2012/05/27/introducing-wheelie-nvflash-for-asus-transformer-tf101-b70/ | 13:54 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: btw should I update the Standard-Versions to 3.9.3 if lintian says the one is outdated, or do we want to keep our packaging diff at a minimum? | 14:12 |
| ScottK | bulldog98_: Diff to a minimum. | 14:15 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: ok that’s what I’m practicing, but I wanted to be sure | 14:16 |
| * ScottK nods | 14:16 | |
| bulldog98_ | btw is it library or libary? | 14:20 |
| bulldog98_ | cause in kdepim there is both present in the control | 14:21 |
| jtechidna | library | 14:21 |
| jtechidna | not quite as bad as "verwsion" in libkwinglutils1 though :P | 14:22 |
| bulldog98_ | :) | 14:22 |
| * bulldog98_ will fix that | 14:22 | |
| jtechidna | btw, on that note | 14:22 |
| jtechidna | I have kde-workspace mostly building | 14:22 |
| jtechidna | and I have the .install files somewhat updated | 14:23 |
| jtechidna | but dh_install --list-missing seems to be reporting a lot of false positives, so I'll have to go over those all later once I get home :s | 14:23 |
| jtechidna | I should have committed what I had last night, but I forgot :( | 14:24 |
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: sounds good | 14:26 |
| jtechidna | the issue was that for some reason the screenshot kwin effect fails to build on the second build of kde-workspace we do for building kwin-active | 14:27 |
| jtechidna | I fixed it with a patch that includes the xrender headers/adds xrender to the linker targets | 14:27 |
| jtechidna | it seems to build fine when building normal kwin though, so that's a bit weird | 14:28 |
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: for the active build I think we don’t have xrender on that | 14:29 |
| jtechidna | hmm | 14:30 |
| jtechidna | oh well, at least it builds | 14:30 |
| bulldog98_ | but I’m not so sure, you might have to ask rbelem | 14:30 |
| jtechidna | rbelem: any thoughts on ^? | 14:30 |
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: yep that’s better than not building :) | 14:30 |
| jtechidna | I'll poke mgrasselin when I see him, too | 14:30 |
| debfx | do we want to compress packages with xz on armel and armhf? currently we use lzma for armhf but not armel | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | debfx: we deactivated it for armel because builds were timing out | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | if that doesn't happen with armhf we probably can also try it again for armel | 14:44 |
| debfx | if it times out we could still use xz with a lower compression level | 14:44 |
| bulldog98_ | why has Riddell put the third line into http://paste.kde.org/489338 | 14:48 |
| ScottK | That should not go in that package. | 14:48 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: but’s in there right now, I’ll move it to data | 14:49 |
| ScottK | bulldog98_: With Breaks/Replaces too, please. | 14:49 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: I already put the breaks replaces :) | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 14:50 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: I still don’t know into which package it should go | 14:51 |
| ScottK | bulldog98_: I guess you have to figure out which game needs that file. | 14:52 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: I tryed a grep, but that didn’t gave me a clue | 14:52 |
| ScottK | Did you look where it is in the upstream source? | 14:53 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: haven’t found it yet | 14:56 |
| ScottK | K. Dunno then. | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: how good a packager am I? | 14:58 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Pretty good. Why? | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | afiestas_: ^ | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: afiestas_ questions my abilities :P | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: also.... pretty good? Oo | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | :O | 15:01 |
| afiestas_ | apachelogger: I question your preferences between packaging or developing | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | :'( | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | afiestas_: yeah yeah :P | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | prn > * :P | 15:01 |
| ScottK | I've questioned apachelogger's preferences too, but not those particular ones. | 15:01 |
| jtechidna | ScottK, bulldog98_: relative to kdegames src the file is in libkdegames/pics/star.png | 15:02 |
| ScottK | Upstream source doesn't have a pics dir. | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: one has to be open minded I always say | 15:03 |
| jtechidna | at least, in 4.8.2 | 15:04 |
| jtechidna | it | 15:04 |
| jtechidna | it's also in not-installed | 15:04 |
| ScottK | I'm looking at 4.8.80. | 15:05 |
| ScottK | bulldog98_: ^^^^ seems safe to drop it. | 15:05 |
| afiestas_ | ScottK: I questioned fluffy desktop as well, but end up using it for a while | 15:05 |
| ScottK | I thought it was an interesting demonstration of how customizable KDE is. | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | actually we should bring fluffy into the archives | 15:20 |
| ulysses | jtechidna: did you know, if the user installs e.g ttf-mscorefonts-installer with Muon, it doesn't install it actually? A light bulb appears on the system tray, but if I click on it, only a black rectangle open in the middle of the screen in full width | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | shouldn't that be fixed already? | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | or is it still in proposed? | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | I seem to recall it failing verification once | 15:41 |
| ulysses | the Polkit authentication dialog asks for the password, Muon downloads the packages and does something | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | I was talking about hte lightbulb bug | 15:44 |
| ulysses | which package is that? | 15:44 |
| * ScottK has that bug. | 15:45 | |
| apachelogger | had something to do with gnome's l10n being crap | 15:45 |
| ScottK | Tell me what to install to fix it and I'll do the verification. | 15:45 |
| jtechidna | bug 993672 | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 993672 in intltool-debian (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ships malformed interactive upgrade hook which causes translations to be shown in the dialog" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993672 | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | would put all trnaslations in the file or something which then makes qt refuse to paint the dialog because it would be too wide | 15:46 |
| ulysses | ScottK: ttf-mscorefonts-installer or kubuntu-restricted-extras, I tried these | 15:46 |
| jtechidna | the actual error is the new package-data-downloader added a month before release throwing a traceback | 15:47 |
| jtechidna | but as it turns out, the error reporting mechanism was also flawed | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | python? | 15:50 |
| jtechidna | what else? :P | 15:52 |
| jtechidna | python makes it too easy for people to write bad programs | 15:52 |
| apachelogger | <3 | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | it is actually the lack of unit testing that makes the programs bad | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | if ye write an application in pyt0rn at least make up for the missing build time checks | 15:56 |
| jtechidna | it could be that I just hate loosely-typed languages in general | 15:56 |
| rbelem | jtechidna, hum... that patch needs to ifdef more code | 15:56 |
| rbelem | jtechidna, this patch is upstream already, but probably is not ifdefing everything | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | so | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | no one got an opinion on bug 820175 | 15:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 820175 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Activity manager and virtual desktop widget both in panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820175 | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | ? | 15:59 |
| jtechidna | I prefer virtual desktops | 16:00 |
| ulysses | +1 | 16:01 |
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| * ScottK too. | 16:05 | |
| * ScottK tried to kill of Activity manager in the default at some point, but jr threw being supportive of upstream at me. | 16:06 | |
| bulldog98_ | activities +1 | 16:19 |
| rbelem | for desktop "vitual desktops" | 16:24 |
| rbelem | for tablets activities | 16:24 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: hi | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://tinyurl.com/7b5y8z4 | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | that is just from one dialog | 16:26 |
| bulldog98_ | guys dep graph is wrong | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | blame yofel | 16:36 |
| bulldog98_ | kdegames depends on pyqt and pykde | 16:36 |
| bulldog98_ | say’s cmake | 16:36 |
| bulldog98_ | and sqlite | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | sqlite is no concern of ours :P | 16:37 |
| bulldog98_ | and qvoronoi and twisted horay to kajongg | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | HUNGRY | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: also come to kubuntu-mobile if you have time | 16:38 |
| jussi | o/ | 16:51 |
| bulldog98_ | jussi: yeah? | 16:54 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: btw we must make kwin_active to open new windows opened and in focus | 16:55 |
| jussi | bulldog98_: just saying hi :) | 16:55 |
| bulldog98_ | and make the mouse courser going away | 16:55 |
| bulldog98_ | jussi: ah :) | 16:55 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: do we have some mallit stuff somewhere already? | 17:00 |
| bulldog98_ | s/mallit/maliit/ | 17:01 |
| kubotu | bulldog98_ meant: "rbelem: do we have some maliit stuff somewhere already?" | 17:01 |
| DWonderly | had a question in the forums if we were planning on bringing back firefox-kde-support | 17:02 |
| DWonderly | Or, if we were planning on getting it back into Ubuntu repositories... | 17:03 |
| jtechidna | the mozilla maintainers dropped the patch needed for it | 17:03 |
| bulldog98_ | DWonderly: it was always a hack and was not supported upstream | 17:03 |
| DWonderly | Upstream Mozilla or, mozilla KDE? | 17:04 |
| * bulldog98_ points out, that I found a webpage, that was not working in chromium and firefox, but rekonq could handle it fine | 17:04 | |
| DWonderly | o.O | 17:04 |
| jtechidna | Ubuntu mozilla maintainers | 17:04 |
| DWonderly | I use Chromium because of the intergration from mobile, tablet, tablet and laptop. | 17:05 |
| bulldog98_ | DWonderly: even better that page was a free wifi login page, and only rekonq managed to get logged in | 17:05 |
| DWonderly | jtechidna: thanks | 17:05 |
| DWonderly | bulldog98_: ++ | 17:05 |
| bulldog98_ | ~karma bulldog98_ | 17:05 |
| kubotu | karma for bulldog98_: 1 | 17:05 |
| * bulldog98_ hugs DWonderly | 17:05 | |
| DWonderly | :D | 17:05 |
| bulldog98_ | guys have you seen the rekonq 1.0 blog post? | 17:09 |
| DWonderly | I have not... | 17:16 |
| DWonderly | bulldog98_: linkie? | 17:16 |
| bulldog98_ | DWonderly: http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/rekonq-1-0-features-error-page/ | 17:17 |
| DWonderly | :D Epic. | 17:18 |
| DWonderly | This is the BEST 404 page I have ever seen. http://www.orangecoat.com/404 | 17:19 |
| bulldog98_ | DWonderly: that’s a nice one | 17:19 |
| DWonderly | So, I've been looking into the logistics of selling some Kubuntu T-Shirts... | 17:20 |
| bulldog98_ | We also need CDs | 17:20 |
| DWonderly | But, for design, what do you guys think of having some sort of design contest with the community submitting? | 17:20 |
| DWonderly | We did it for the Southern California Linux Expo and came out with one hell of a kick ass t-shirt. | 17:21 |
| bulldog98_ | DWonderly: sounds awesome | 17:21 |
| jtechidna | welp, 4.8.80 is called off | 17:21 |
| jtechidna | gives us some time at least | 17:21 |
| Ezim | 4.8.8? | 17:23 |
| jtechidna | 4.8.80 | 17:23 |
| jtechidna | aka 4.9 beta 1 | 17:24 |
| DWonderly | jtechidna: I *just* realized that you changed your nick | 17:24 |
| * DWonderly snickers | 17:24 | |
| Ezim | jtechidna, I see.. sorry | 17:24 |
| jtechidna | DWonderly: nah, this is just my PC at work :P | 17:24 |
| * highvoltage finds the new nick easier | 17:24 | |
| DWonderly | :D Got ya. | 17:24 |
| jtechidna | JontheEchidna: my laptop at home | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | see jonny boy has no quass0l, so he has ot change nicks when moving :P | 17:24 |
| DWonderly | hehehe | 17:24 |
| DWonderly | quassel-core ftw | 17:25 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, muon software centre/packagemanager is really good for 12.04 | 17:25 |
| DWonderly | esp with quasselDroid | 17:25 |
| jtechidna | :) | 17:25 |
| Ezim | but for installing .deb package I still prefer gdebi | 17:25 |
| Ezim | it have some issue with installing chrome/google talk .deb files if not the gdebi/command way... | 17:26 |
| jtechidna | Ezim: could you link me to such a .deb? | 17:26 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, will do sir. | 17:26 |
| jtechidna | thx | 17:27 |
| Ezim | g-talk: http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html | 17:27 |
| Ezim | chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome?brand=CHMO#eula | 17:27 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, I am running kubuntu 12.04 32-bits | 17:29 |
| jtechidna | Ezim: and how would you describe the problem that qapt-deb-installer has with those debs? | 17:29 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, did not really remenber right now.. I think it said it was installed but I could not find them | 17:30 |
| jtechidna | hmm | 17:30 |
| jtechidna | on the surface it seems to work for me: http://i.imgur.com/qtzOo.png | 17:30 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, it looked so for me | 17:31 |
| Ezim | can you find google talkplugin | 17:31 |
| jtechidna | how would I check for that? | 17:31 |
| Ezim | in your browser? | 17:31 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, :) if you use firefox or any webbrowser you should find extension place | 17:31 |
| jtechidna | I don't see it in the extension section of Firefox even after dpkg -i | 17:34 |
| jtechidna | oh, it's in the plugin section | 17:34 |
| Ezim | did you find in plugin section? | 17:34 |
| jtechidna | yes | 17:34 |
| DWonderly | about:plugins right? | 17:35 |
| Ezim | hmm 32-bits or 64-bits? | 17:35 |
| Ezim | DWonderly, that works also :) | 17:35 |
| jtechidna | 64-bit | 17:35 |
| DWonderly | 32 here | 17:35 |
| Ezim | DWonderly, worked for you? | 17:35 |
| DWonderly | Aye | 17:35 |
| Ezim | aye? | 17:36 |
| jtechidna | it's a way from the 13th century to say "yes" :P | 17:36 |
| Ezim | if worked then maybe I did not wait | 17:37 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, I see.. my english is not the best... I thought it ment something :P | 17:37 |
| jtechidna | to be fair, it's very old english | 17:37 |
| ulysses | yarr! | 17:37 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, then muon works :) great... | 17:38 |
| Ezim | kubuntu 12.04 feels boring stable... LTS | 17:39 |
| Ezim | jtechidna, what fun is waiting for us with coming muon? | 17:40 |
| jtechidna | This is a pretty good list: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/muon-suite-1-4-alpha-released/ | 17:40 |
| Ezim | muon software center looks kind of old ubuntu software or maybe more like linux mint software center | 17:41 |
| jtechidna | yeah, it definitely was influenced by the early design | 17:42 |
| Ezim | it looks good... | 17:43 |
| Ezim | before muon first thing many kubuntu user that I met did was installing synaptic.. but muon is good enough | 17:43 |
| jtechidna | that's nice the hear. the Muon Package Manager should have all the features that Synaptic has now. | 17:44 |
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: we need to pimp discover a bit, so that we can use it on touchscreens | 17:44 |
| jtechidna | bulldog98_: yeah, currently the default grid view for the categories reacts to mouse hovers, which really doesn't work well for touchscreens | 17:45 |
| jtechidna | and other stuff like that | 17:45 |
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: I know, but at least you can kind of use it with a touchscreen device | 17:45 |
| * jtechidna nods | 17:46 | |
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: can I already install the alpha from some ppa? | 17:48 |
| jtechidna | bulldog98_: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt-experimental | 17:48 |
| bulldog98_ | ah should have known it | 17:49 |
| rbelem | bulldog98_, i'm not sure... Quintasan was looking on that | 17:49 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: I now have it installed, but I don’t get it to work | 17:49 |
| bulldog98_ | -> no keyboard atm | 17:49 |
| rbelem | bulldog98_, do you have the packages? | 17:50 |
| Ezim | is it possible that we switch from rekonq to a better browser for 12.10 now when we are not force to take order from canonical? | 17:50 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: they have an ppa | 17:50 |
| bulldog98_ | Ezim: I find rekonq quite usable | 17:51 |
| jtechidna | Ezim: the decision to use rekonq was never forced by anyone | 17:51 |
| rbelem | bulldog98_, hum... probably it is just env var that is missing | 17:51 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: I set that QT_IM… | 17:51 |
| Ezim | qupzilla is much better bulldog98_ | 17:51 |
| bulldog98_ | and that’s all they say | 17:51 |
| Ezim | if you want something based on qt | 17:51 |
| bulldog98_ | Ezim: but no kde integration | 17:51 |
| * DWonderly loves rekonq | 17:52 | |
| rbelem | bulldog98_, but where are you setting? | 17:52 |
| DWonderly | I also use chromium because of the intergration with my android stuff | 17:52 |
| bulldog98_ | in the startactive…/env.something | 17:52 |
| Ezim | bulldog98_, thats true, but still better then rekonq.. | 17:52 |
| Ezim | even konqueror is better | 17:53 |
| bulldog98_ | hm Ezim I like it and that’s my opinion and I think it’s not very productive to discuss about it right now :) | 17:53 |
| bulldog98_ | ah and konqueror is slower | 17:54 |
| DWonderly | Better how? | 17:54 |
| Ezim | DWonderly, less buggy | 17:55 |
| DWonderly | ... okay, what is buggy? I guess I'm looking for a good example | 17:55 |
| DWonderly | :) I don't always work well with broad statements. | 17:56 |
| Ezim | DWonderly, first thing I did for rekonq uninstall.. with ubuntu 11.10 it crashed when youtube | 17:56 |
| Ezim | or other things | 17:56 |
| bulldog98_ | Ezim: hm flash? | 17:56 |
| Ezim | bulldog98_, yes | 17:56 |
| bulldog98_ | fuck flash away and use html5 | 17:56 |
| DWonderly | There is only one site I have not been able to use properly | 17:56 |
| DWonderly | that is box.com | 17:56 |
| bulldog98_ | http://youtube.com/html5 | 17:56 |
| bulldog98_ | d | 17:57 |
| Ezim | bulldog98_, flash works great here with firefox/chrome :) | 17:57 |
| DWonderly | bulldog98_: ++ | 17:57 |
| Ezim | bulldog98_, how do I know if it uses html5 instead of flash? | 18:02 |
| Ezim | in ytube | 18:02 |
| bulldog98_ | Ezim: deinstall flashplugin, then you’ll know :) | 18:02 |
| bulldog98_ | no normaly a right click should tell you | 18:03 |
| Ezim | bulldog98_, thx for the info. | 18:03 |
| bulldog98_ | Ezim: no problem I’m happy about anyone not using flash anymore :) | 18:04 |
| bulldog98_ | -> leads to less problem we have to support :) | 18:04 |
| mgraesslin | yofel: ping | 18:05 |
| DWonderly | Flash is dying anyway. | 18:05 |
| bulldog98_ | yep | 18:05 |
| DWonderly | and quickly. | 18:05 |
| bulldog98_ | mgraesslin: what do we have to do for kwin_active to show new windows in the front (not in the windowstrip) and focused? | 18:06 |
| bulldog98_ | and hi btw | 18:06 |
| bulldog98_ | DWonderly: defently | 18:06 |
| mgraesslin | bulldog98_: I don't understand the question | 18:07 |
| bulldog98_ | mgraesslin: how do I get kwin (build for active) to open new windows in the front (talking about plasma active) with a config option or something like that | 18:11 |
| mgraesslin | bulldog98_: I still don't understand the problem | 18:15 |
| jtechidna | I think he's saying that when you launch an app with Plasma Active, you have to open up that thing at the top and manually switch to the app | 18:16 |
| jtechidna | and he's wondering if there's a way to make KWin Active automatically give the new window focus | 18:16 |
| bulldog98_ | yep | 18:16 |
| bulldog98_ | since the balsam images are doing that | 18:16 |
| mgraesslin | then I would suggest to look at the balsam packages :-) | 18:17 |
| bulldog98_ | hm thought you’d just know it :P | 18:18 |
| * mgraesslin would guess that kubuntu forgot to package something if it works for balsam but not for kubuntu :-) | 18:18 | |
| jtechidna | or they patched something but forgot to forward it :P | 18:19 |
| bulldog98_ | mgraesslin: hm the documentation about what is needed is in an absolutly bad manar | 18:19 |
| bulldog98_ | oh kool I just found the disable courser stuff | 18:20 |
| bulldog98_ | rbelem: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/plasma-mobile/plasma-mobile-config/repository | 18:20 |
| === DWonderly is now known as Darkwing | ||
| bulldog98_ | jtechidna: btw have you seen the latest thread in kde-packagers | 19:07 |
| jtechidna | ayep | 19:07 |
| jtechidna | I don't really sympathize with fedora for pushing it too early, but I also don't think the release should be cancelled | 19:08 |
| jtechidna | at any rate, it gives us more time to do things | 19:08 |
| bulldog98_ | yep | 19:12 |
| ScottK | You all saw 4.9 beta 1 is delayed, right? | 19:12 |
| ScottK | Ah, you did. | 19:12 |
| ScottK | I should read scrollback. | 19:12 |
| ScottK | jtechidna: We push early all the time to try and have packages ~built at release. | 19:13 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: yeah tsdgeos pointed it out to me | 19:13 |
| ScottK | The real problem is the KDE release people spending three days saying nothing about it and then canceling with no warning. | 19:13 |
| bulldog98_ | maybe we should start a thread about a common name sheme for betas and rcs, so guys can base their packaging tools on | 19:14 |
| ScottK | If I were Fedora, I'd probably release it anyway, just don't call it beta 1. | 19:14 |
| Ezim | is it fedora that release the kde releases first? | 19:15 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 19:15 |
| ScottK | We all try to have packages on ~release day. | 19:15 |
| Ezim | ScottK, thought so.. you were dicsussing fedora | 19:15 |
| ScottK | Not all, I guess. | 19:15 |
| ScottK | We were working on it too. | 19:15 |
| Ezim | ScottK, okey. | 19:16 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: yeah debian is working on 4.8.3 so they don’t have time for 4.8.80 | 19:16 |
| yofel | evening folks | 19:16 |
| yofel | fun thread indeed | 19:16 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: hi | 19:16 |
| Ezim | yofel, hi | 19:16 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: could you have a look at the kdepim build on your maschine? | 19:16 |
| Ezim | is there any info about 4.8.80 | 19:16 |
| Ezim | fetuare list etc | 19:16 |
| bulldog98_ | I don’t have a clue why it doesn’t works | 19:16 |
| yofel | there's a feature definition page somewhere | 19:17 |
| yofel | (techbase) | 19:17 |
| yofel | lemme read the channel log from today, then I'll take a look | 19:17 |
| bulldog98_ | alright | 19:18 |
| yofel | bulldog98_: is pykde a build or runtime dep? the dep graph is build-only | 19:21 |
| bulldog98_ | btw should I merge kdegames-card-data and kdegames-card-extra-data | 19:21 |
| yofel | and afaik that's a runtime one | 19:21 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: hm think cmake says run, but it won’t build kaj… by default then | 19:22 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: you can have a look at the kdegames log on your maschine | 19:22 |
| yofel | bulldog98_: I believe we have a 'install_kajongg_anyway' flag or so set because of that | 19:25 |
| yofel | bulldog98_: -DINSTALL_KAJONGG=TRUE | 19:26 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: ah ok | 19:26 |
| yofel | pykde is a bit of a heavy build-dep if it's not really needed | 19:26 |
| bulldog98_ | yeah I know that it’s quite light wight :) | 19:26 |
| ScottK | bulldog98_: Don't merge them. | 19:27 |
| yofel | ScottK: why not? | 19:27 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: ok | 19:27 |
| ScottK | Space. | 19:27 |
| yofel | uhm, for what did we increase our images for then? | 19:27 |
| ScottK | Let's wait until we know for sure how much space 4.9 takes. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | It's easy to drop the split later. | 19:28 |
| bulldog98_ | ScottK: that’s right | 19:28 |
| yofel | fine with me then, as long as we don't forget it | 19:28 |
| jtechidna | yofel: btw, did any of us ping soprano wrt the abi bump? | 19:35 |
| yofel | if you didn't, then no. I'm on a trip and forgot about it | 19:35 |
| jtechidna | ok. I didn't, for the record | 19:36 |
| jtechidna | do you get to have fun on this trip, or is it a business trip? | 19:36 |
| yofel | fun trip, or I would probably spend more time here :P | 19:37 |
| jtechidna | :P | 19:37 |
| jtechidna | well, have fun | 19:37 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: am I allowed to ask where you’ve gone? | 19:39 |
| bulldog98_ | and yeah have fun | 19:40 |
| yofel | bulldog98_: berlin (and no, I had no time last week :( ) | 19:40 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: have you already been at cbase? | 19:40 |
| yofel | not yet | 19:40 |
| bulldog98_ | it’s an awesome hackerspace | 19:40 |
| yofel | I know, I was there last year ;) | 19:41 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: just forgot about that :) | 19:41 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: but you haven’t been downstairs :P | 19:41 |
| === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 | ||
| bulldog98 | hm kdegames now has a libkdegamesprivate.so where to put that into? | 19:53 |
| jtechidna | it should be its own package | 19:54 |
| jtechidna | do you know if libkdegames (and it's -dev stuff) are still around? | 19:55 |
| yofel | there is a libkdegames5a - adding it to that should be fine (as we don't care about multiarch | 19:56 |
| bulldog98 | jtechidna: yep but they bumped the library version | 19:56 |
| yofel | bulldog98: re kdepim: | 19:56 |
| yofel | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libmailimporter.so.4 needed by debian/kmail/usr/bin/kmailcvt (ELF form | 19:56 |
| yofel | at: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: ''). | 19:56 |
| yofel | that file is not installed into any package ^ | 19:57 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: yeah, but I have that in an extra package | 19:57 |
| bulldog98 | it’s a new one | 19:57 |
| jtechidna | hmm, I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to have the private and public libs in the same package | 19:57 |
| yofel | then the package is not built, or the install file and package name don't match... | 19:57 |
| yofel | or whatever | 19:57 |
| yofel | jtechidna: put it into... kdegames-common or so instead? | 19:58 |
| jtechidna | we'd make a libkdegamesprivate package | 19:58 |
| jtechidna | and no corresponding -dev package since it's private | 19:58 |
| jtechidna | well, we'd probably want to check in w/ Debian about that, but they like to keep it to one-package-per-library in general | 19:58 |
| yofel | true | 19:59 |
| bulldog98 | I’ll ask in the debian channel about that, but first I’ll have a look at kdepim | 19:59 |
| jtechidna | I'm heading home now, bbiab | 19:59 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: the .install is named libmailimporter4.install and the libs are rightly noted in it | 20:01 |
| yofel | bulldog98: maybe the control file entry is wrong? dh_makeshlibs doesn't see it either | 20:04 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: I’ll check that again | 20:04 |
| yofel | hm, wait | 20:04 |
| yofel | bulldog98: there's something weird here | 20:06 |
| yofel | it does see it, runs "rm -f debian/libmailimporter4/DEBIAN/shlibs", and then... skips the rest of the process o.O | 20:07 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: maybe it needs a symbols file? | 20:08 |
| yofel | it should have one indeed, but it shouldn't fail if it's missing... | 20:09 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: for haveing one you first need to run an build :) and then pkgkde-symbolshelper it | 20:09 |
| yofel | exactly | 20:09 |
| yofel | ah, we have no -dev package, so it doesn't need a symbol file | 20:10 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: we have an kdepim-dev package | 20:12 |
| yofel | ... | 20:12 |
| yofel | make that: I'm tired | 20:12 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: yeah that’s ok | 20:13 |
| yofel | bulldog98: I can't really see what's wrong either :/ | 20:19 |
| yofel | if someone else wants to take a look, here's the buildlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013655/ | 20:20 |
| * bulldog98 -> goTo (bed); | 21:11 | |
| bulldog98 | oh no I used goTo :) | 21:11 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 21:12 |
| JontheEchidna | well, looks like soprano will address the API issue, but best not to upload a soprano to the archives until then | 21:12 |
| JontheEchidna | (that is a good reason to delay a release, imo) | 21:12 |
| * apachelogger points out that the in the OS he wrote last year he used plenty of goto :P | 21:12 | |
| KRF | apachelogger: during a microsoft intern? | 21:13 |
| * JontheEchidna notes that C# has no case-fallthrough in switch statements, and you must goto the case label to achieve such an effect | 21:13 | |
| apachelogger | KRF: how did you know? | 21:13 |
| KRF | deductive reasoning | 21:14 |
| Ezim | http://wm161.net/2012/05/16/musings-on-the-linux-audio-stack/ | 21:32 |
| JontheEchidna | qmake has no build progress!!! AaaAaAAAaHHHhhhhhhhhh.... | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | cmake has me spoiled good | 21:36 |
| yofel | neither does autotools. Cmake has it's good points | 21:47 |
| * yofel is off to bed - good night | 21:48 | |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: would you mind looking at qt4-x11 in new queue? I've got an upload prepped for bug 897547 that needs it | 22:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 897547 in qtmobility (Ubuntu) "qtmobility packages do not use multiarch locations" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897547 | 22:06 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Is your change in Debian already? | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: yes | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | it's just changing the paths of the libraries in the .install files, and rebuilding against this newer qt4-x11 | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | now that qt4-x11 has been merged, the buildsystem will put the declarative libs in the right location on build | 22:25 |
| ScottK | OK. | 22:27 |
| JontheEchidna | (new queue is an unrelated detour) | 22:27 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: FTBFS on i386. | 22:28 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 22:28 |
| ScottK | That needs fixing before I let it out. | 22:28 |
| JontheEchidna | that's not good | 22:28 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll take a look at it then | 22:29 |
| JontheEchidna | before I look at the build log, I'm guessing it's going to be a symbols issue :P | 22:30 |
| ScottK | g++: error: unrecognized command line option '-fuse-ld=gold' | 22:30 |
| ScottK | Close. | 22:30 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 22:30 |
| JontheEchidna | something's causing the i386 build to think that it can link with gold instead of the normal ld | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | the amd64 doesn't mention gold at all, whereas it's mentioned as being used as the linker for qtwebkit on i386 | 22:37 |
| JontheEchidna | *the amd64 build log | 22:37 |
| ScottK | I guess look for something i386 specific in the pro files for qtwebkit. | 22:38 |
| JontheEchidna | these look suspect: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013857/ | 22:40 |
| JontheEchidna | in about 240 MiB I'll be able to look at them | 22:40 |
| JontheEchidna | I think changelogs.ubuntu.com is broken | 22:45 |
| JontheEchidna | no changelogs for releases a week old | 22:45 |
| ScottK | Looks 'promsing'. | 22:45 |
| ScottK | promising even. | 22:45 |
| JontheEchidna | yay, finally downloaded | 23:13 |
| JontheEchidna | linux-g++ { | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | isEmpty($$(SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH)):exists(/usr/bin/ld.gold) { | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | message(Using gold linker) | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | QMAKE_LFLAGS+=-fuse-ld=gold | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | } | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | } | 23:15 |
| ScottK | Fun. | 23:18 |
| JontheEchidna | if SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH is empty and /usr/bin/ld.gold exists | 23:18 |
| JontheEchidna | then use gold linker | 23:18 |
| ScottK | My money is on SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH. | 23:19 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, it has to be. binutils ships a link from ld.gold to ld | 23:19 |
| ScottK | Same error on powerpc. | 23:21 |
| JontheEchidna | sbox apparently refers to scratchbox | 23:23 |
| JontheEchidna | we could just patch that check out | 23:25 |
| ScottK | Is the variable used anywhere else? | 23:25 |
| ScottK | Even worse than an FTBFS would be a misbuild due to it not being set. | 23:25 |
| JontheEchidna | not within the scope of webkit | 23:25 |
| ScottK | OK. Seems safe enough then. | 23:25 |
| JontheEchidna | once I get it patched I'll throw it in my ppa and see if i386 builds | 23:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ergh, I've been in a 4.8.1 tarball this whole time | 23:30 |
| JontheEchidna | well, this is good. maybe I can see what changed, tehn | 23:31 |
| ScottK | At least you didn't upload it .... | 23:31 |
| JontheEchidna | I noticed when I went to do the dch -i | 23:32 |
| ScottK | Just in time, is still in time. | 23:32 |
| JontheEchidna | ;-) | 23:32 |
| JontheEchidna | 20 more minutes for the 4.8.2 tarball | 23:33 |
| JontheEchidna | I: user script /var/cache/pbuilder/build//10422/tmp/hooks/B10list-missing starting | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | STARTING LIST-MISSING | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/debian/tmp-kwin-active/usr/bin/kwinactive': No such file or directory | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/debian/tmp-kwin-active/usr/bin/kwinactive debian/kde-window-manager-active/usr/bin// returned exit code 1 | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | well that was a waste of a 2 hour build :( | 23:56 |
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