[00:29] <JontheEchidna> after 5 hours
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> I have bent kde-workspace to my will
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> FTBFS's FEAR ME
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> now it's just tame stuff like .install file tweaks
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> but Stallman almighty, double builds are no fun
[00:40] <dantti> ScottK: ping
[06:10] <mgraesslin> yofel: in case you want to test https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105098/
[08:25] <tsdgeos> debfx: I have a upstream patch that's been accepted in Qt that i'd like to get in Ubuntu's Qt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/999522 Any hint on how to proceed?
[09:05] <debfx> tsdgeos: first we need to fix it in quantal. is that commit part of Qt 4.8.2?
[09:06] <tsdgeos> debfx: afaik no, it came too late for the 4.8.2 release
[09:06] <tsdgeos> debfx: dholbach might be having a look in #ubuntu-devel too, just in case you both end up doing the same :D
[09:07] <tsdgeos> debfx: though i'm sure he's happy to pass it over to you :-)
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:47] <ScottK> dantti: pong
[13:54] <shadeslayer> wheeee
[13:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://androidroot.mobi/2012/05/27/introducing-wheelie-nvflash-for-asus-transformer-tf101-b70/
[14:12] <bulldog98_> yofel: btw should I update the Standard-Versions to 3.9.3 if lintian says the one is outdated, or do we want to keep our packaging diff at a minimum?
[14:15] <ScottK> bulldog98_: Diff to a minimum.
[14:16] <bulldog98_> ScottK: ok that’s what I’m practicing, but I wanted to be sure
[14:16]  * ScottK nods
[14:20] <bulldog98_> btw is it library or libary?
[14:21] <bulldog98_> cause in kdepim there is both present in the control
[14:21] <jtechidna> library
[14:22] <jtechidna> not quite as bad as "verwsion" in libkwinglutils1 though :P
[14:22] <bulldog98_> :)
[14:22]  * bulldog98_ will fix that
[14:22] <jtechidna> btw, on that note
[14:22] <jtechidna> I have kde-workspace mostly building
[14:23] <jtechidna> and I have the .install files somewhat updated
[14:23] <jtechidna> but dh_install --list-missing seems to be reporting a lot of false positives, so I'll have to go over those all later once I get home :s
[14:24] <jtechidna> I should have committed what I had last night, but I forgot :(
[14:26] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: sounds good
[14:27] <jtechidna> the issue was that for some reason the screenshot kwin effect fails to build on the second build of kde-workspace we do for building kwin-active
[14:27] <jtechidna> I fixed it with a patch that includes the xrender headers/adds xrender to the linker targets
[14:28] <jtechidna> it seems to build fine when building normal kwin though, so that's a bit weird
[14:29] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: for the active build I think we don’t have xrender on that
[14:30] <jtechidna> hmm
[14:30] <jtechidna> oh well, at least it builds
[14:30] <bulldog98_> but I’m not so sure, you might have to ask rbelem
[14:30] <jtechidna> rbelem: any thoughts on ^?
[14:30] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: yep that’s better than not building :)
[14:30] <jtechidna> I'll poke mgrasselin when I see him, too
[14:40] <debfx> do we want to compress packages with xz on armel and armhf? currently we use lzma for armhf but not armel
[14:44] <apachelogger> debfx: we deactivated it for armel because builds were timing out
[14:44] <apachelogger> if that doesn't happen with armhf we probably can also try it again for armel
[14:44] <debfx> if it times out we could still use xz with a lower compression level
[14:48] <bulldog98_> why has Riddell put the third line into http://paste.kde.org/489338
[14:48] <ScottK> That should not go in that package.
[14:49] <bulldog98_> ScottK: but’s in there right now, I’ll move it to data
[14:49] <ScottK> bulldog98_: With Breaks/Replaces too, please.
[14:49] <bulldog98_> ScottK: I already put the breaks replaces :)
[14:50] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:51] <bulldog98_> ScottK: I still don’t know into which package it should go
[14:52] <ScottK> bulldog98_: I guess you have to figure out which game needs that file.
[14:52] <bulldog98_> ScottK: I tryed a grep, but that didn’t gave me a clue
[14:53] <ScottK> Did you look where it is in the upstream source?
[14:56] <bulldog98_> ScottK: haven’t found it yet
[14:56] <ScottK> K.  Dunno then.
[14:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: how good a packager am I?
[15:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Pretty good.  Why?
[15:00] <apachelogger> afiestas_: ^
[15:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: afiestas_ questions my abilities :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: also.... pretty good? Oo
[15:01] <apachelogger> :O
[15:01] <afiestas_> apachelogger: I question your preferences between packaging or developing
[15:01] <apachelogger> :'(
[15:01] <apachelogger> afiestas_: yeah yeah :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> prn > * :P
[15:01] <ScottK> I've questioned apachelogger's preferences too, but not those particular ones.
[15:02] <jtechidna> ScottK, bulldog98_: relative to kdegames src the file is in libkdegames/pics/star.png
[15:03] <ScottK> Upstream source doesn't have a pics dir.
[15:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: one has to be open minded I always say
[15:04] <jtechidna> at least, in 4.8.2
[15:04] <jtechidna> it
[15:04] <jtechidna> it's also in not-installed
[15:05] <ScottK> I'm looking at 4.8.80.
[15:05] <ScottK> bulldog98_: ^^^^ seems safe to drop it.
[15:05] <afiestas_> ScottK: I questioned fluffy desktop as well, but end up using it for a while
[15:07] <ScottK> I thought it was an interesting demonstration of how customizable KDE is.
[15:20] <apachelogger> actually we should bring fluffy into the archives
[15:40] <ulysses> jtechidna: did you know, if the user installs e.g ttf-mscorefonts-installer with Muon, it doesn't install it actually? A light bulb appears on the system tray, but if I click on it, only a black rectangle open in the middle of the screen in full width
[15:41] <apachelogger> shouldn't that be fixed already?
[15:41] <apachelogger> or is it still in proposed?
[15:41] <apachelogger> I seem to recall it failing verification once
[15:42] <ulysses> the Polkit authentication dialog asks for the password, Muon downloads the packages and does something
[15:44] <apachelogger> I was talking about hte lightbulb bug
[15:44] <ulysses> which package is that?
[15:45]  * ScottK has that bug.
[15:45] <apachelogger> had something to do with gnome's l10n being crap
[15:45] <ScottK> Tell me what to install to fix it and I'll do the verification.
[15:46] <jtechidna> bug 993672
[15:46] <apachelogger> would put all trnaslations in the file or something which then makes qt refuse to paint the dialog because it would be too wide
[15:46] <ulysses> ScottK: ttf-mscorefonts-installer or kubuntu-restricted-extras, I tried these
[15:47] <jtechidna> the actual error is the new package-data-downloader added a month before release throwing a traceback
[15:48] <jtechidna> but as it turns out, the error reporting mechanism was also flawed
[15:50] <apachelogger> python?
[15:52] <jtechidna> what else? :P
[15:52] <jtechidna> python makes it too easy for people to write bad programs
[15:55] <apachelogger> <3
[15:56] <apachelogger> it is actually the lack of unit testing that makes the programs bad
[15:56] <apachelogger> if ye write an application in pyt0rn at least make up for the missing build time checks
[15:56] <jtechidna> it could be that I just hate loosely-typed languages in general
[15:56] <rbelem> jtechidna, hum... that patch needs to ifdef more code
[15:58] <rbelem> jtechidna, this patch is upstream already, but probably is not ifdefing everything
[15:58] <apachelogger> so
[15:59] <apachelogger> no one got an opinion on bug 820175
[15:59] <apachelogger> ?
[16:00] <jtechidna> I prefer virtual desktops
[16:01] <ulysses> +1
[16:05]  * ScottK too.
[16:06]  * ScottK tried to kill of Activity manager in the default at some point, but jr threw being supportive of upstream at me.
[16:19] <bulldog98_> activities +1
[16:24] <rbelem> for desktop "vitual desktops"
[16:24] <rbelem> for tablets activities
[16:25] <bulldog98_> rbelem: hi
[16:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://tinyurl.com/7b5y8z4
[16:26] <apachelogger> that is just from one dialog
[16:36] <bulldog98_> guys dep graph is wrong
[16:36] <apachelogger> blame yofel
[16:36] <bulldog98_> kdegames depends on pyqt and pykde
[16:36] <bulldog98_> say’s cmake
[16:36] <bulldog98_> and sqlite
[16:37] <apachelogger> sqlite is no concern of ours :P
[16:37] <bulldog98_> and qvoronoi and twisted horay to kajongg
[16:37] <apachelogger> HUNGRY
[16:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: also come to kubuntu-mobile if you have time
[16:51] <jussi> o/
[16:54] <bulldog98_> jussi: yeah?
[16:55] <bulldog98_> rbelem: btw we must make kwin_active to open new windows opened and in focus
[16:55] <jussi> bulldog98_: just saying hi :) 
[16:55] <bulldog98_> and make the mouse courser going away
[16:55] <bulldog98_> jussi: ah :)
[17:00] <bulldog98_> rbelem: do we have some mallit stuff somewhere already?
[17:01] <bulldog98_> s/mallit/maliit/
[17:01] <kubotu> bulldog98_ meant: "rbelem: do we have some maliit stuff somewhere already?"
[17:02] <DWonderly> had a question in the forums if we were planning on bringing back firefox-kde-support
[17:03] <DWonderly> Or, if we were planning on getting it back into Ubuntu repositories...
[17:03] <jtechidna> the mozilla maintainers dropped the patch needed for it
[17:03] <bulldog98_> DWonderly: it was always a hack and was not supported upstream
[17:04] <DWonderly> Upstream Mozilla or, mozilla KDE?
[17:04]  * bulldog98_ points out, that I found a webpage, that was not working in chromium and firefox, but rekonq could handle it fine
[17:04] <DWonderly> o.O
[17:04] <jtechidna> Ubuntu mozilla maintainers
[17:05] <DWonderly> I use Chromium because of the intergration from mobile, tablet, tablet and laptop.
[17:05] <bulldog98_> DWonderly: even better that page was a free wifi login page, and only rekonq managed to get logged in
[17:05] <DWonderly> jtechidna: thanks
[17:05] <DWonderly> bulldog98_: ++
[17:05] <bulldog98_> ~karma bulldog98_
[17:05] <kubotu> karma for bulldog98_: 1
[17:05]  * bulldog98_ hugs DWonderly
[17:05] <DWonderly> :D
[17:09] <bulldog98_> guys have you seen the rekonq 1.0 blog post?
[17:16] <DWonderly> I have not...
[17:16] <DWonderly> bulldog98_: linkie?
[17:17] <bulldog98_> DWonderly: http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/rekonq-1-0-features-error-page/
[17:18] <DWonderly> :D Epic.
[17:19] <DWonderly> This is the BEST 404 page I have ever seen. http://www.orangecoat.com/404
[17:19] <bulldog98_> DWonderly: that’s a nice one
[17:20] <DWonderly> So, I've been looking into the logistics of selling some Kubuntu T-Shirts...
[17:20] <bulldog98_> We also need CDs
[17:20] <DWonderly> But, for design, what do you guys think of having some sort of design contest with the community submitting?
[17:21] <DWonderly> We did it for the Southern California Linux Expo and came out with one hell of a kick ass t-shirt.
[17:21] <bulldog98_> DWonderly: sounds awesome
[17:21] <jtechidna> welp, 4.8.80 is called off
[17:21] <jtechidna> gives us some time at least
[17:23] <Ezim> 4.8.8?
[17:23] <jtechidna> 4.8.80
[17:24] <jtechidna> aka 4.9 beta 1
[17:24] <DWonderly> jtechidna: I *just* realized that you changed your nick
[17:24]  * DWonderly snickers
[17:24] <Ezim> jtechidna, I see.. sorry
[17:24] <jtechidna> DWonderly: nah, this is just my PC at work :P
[17:24]  * highvoltage finds the new nick easier
[17:24] <DWonderly> :D Got ya.
[17:24] <jtechidna> JontheEchidna: my laptop at home
[17:24] <apachelogger> see jonny boy has no quass0l, so he has ot change nicks when moving :P
[17:24] <DWonderly> hehehe
[17:25] <DWonderly> quassel-core ftw
[17:25] <Ezim> jtechidna, muon software centre/packagemanager is really good for 12.04
[17:25] <DWonderly> esp with quasselDroid 
[17:25] <jtechidna> :)
[17:25] <Ezim> but for installing .deb package I still prefer gdebi
[17:26] <Ezim> it have some issue with installing chrome/google talk .deb files if not the gdebi/command way...
[17:26] <jtechidna> Ezim: could you link me to such a .deb?
[17:26] <Ezim> jtechidna, will do sir.
[17:27] <jtechidna> thx
[17:27] <Ezim> g-talk: http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html
[17:27] <Ezim> chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome?brand=CHMO#eula
[17:29] <Ezim> jtechidna, I am running kubuntu 12.04 32-bits
[17:29] <jtechidna> Ezim: and how would you describe the problem that qapt-deb-installer has with those debs?
[17:30] <Ezim> jtechidna, did not really remenber right now.. I think it said it was installed but I could not find them
[17:30] <jtechidna> hmm
[17:30] <jtechidna> on the surface it seems to work for me: http://i.imgur.com/qtzOo.png
[17:31] <Ezim> jtechidna, it looked so for me
[17:31] <Ezim> can you find google talkplugin
[17:31] <jtechidna> how would I check for that?
[17:31] <Ezim> in your browser?
[17:31] <Ezim> jtechidna, :) if you use firefox or any webbrowser you should find extension place
[17:34] <jtechidna> I don't see it in the extension section of Firefox even after dpkg -i
[17:34] <jtechidna> oh, it's in the plugin section
[17:34] <Ezim> did you find in plugin section?
[17:34] <jtechidna> yes
[17:35] <DWonderly> about:plugins right?
[17:35] <Ezim> hmm 32-bits or 64-bits?
[17:35] <Ezim> DWonderly, that works also :)
[17:35] <jtechidna> 64-bit
[17:35] <DWonderly> 32 here
[17:35] <Ezim> DWonderly, worked for you?
[17:35] <DWonderly> Aye
[17:36] <Ezim> aye?
[17:36] <jtechidna> it's a way from the 13th century to say "yes" :P
[17:37] <Ezim> if worked then maybe I did not wait 
[17:37] <Ezim> jtechidna, I see.. my english is not the best... I thought it ment something :P
[17:37] <jtechidna> to be fair, it's very old english
[17:37] <ulysses> yarr!
[17:38] <Ezim> jtechidna, then muon works :) great... 
[17:39] <Ezim> kubuntu 12.04 feels boring stable... LTS
[17:40] <Ezim> jtechidna, what fun is waiting for us with coming muon?
[17:40] <jtechidna> This is a pretty good list: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/muon-suite-1-4-alpha-released/
[17:41] <Ezim> muon software center looks kind of old ubuntu software or maybe more like linux mint software center
[17:42] <jtechidna> yeah, it definitely was influenced by the early design
[17:43] <Ezim> it looks good...
[17:43] <Ezim> before muon first thing many kubuntu user that I met did was installing synaptic.. but muon is good enough
[17:44] <jtechidna> that's nice the hear. the Muon Package Manager should have all the features that Synaptic has now.
[17:44] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: we need to pimp discover a bit, so that we can use it on touchscreens
[17:45] <jtechidna> bulldog98_: yeah, currently the default grid view for the categories reacts to mouse hovers, which really doesn't work well for touchscreens
[17:45] <jtechidna> and other stuff like that
[17:45] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: I know, but at least you can kind of use it with a touchscreen device
[17:46]  * jtechidna nods
[17:48] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: can I already install the alpha from some ppa?
[17:48] <jtechidna> bulldog98_: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt-experimental
[17:49] <bulldog98_> ah should have known it
[17:49] <rbelem> bulldog98_, i'm not sure... Quintasan was looking on that
[17:49] <bulldog98_> rbelem: I now have it installed, but I don’t get it to work
[17:49] <bulldog98_> -> no keyboard atm
[17:50] <rbelem> bulldog98_, do you have the packages?
[17:50] <Ezim> is it possible that we switch from rekonq to a better browser for 12.10 now when we are not force to take order from canonical?
[17:50] <bulldog98_> rbelem: they have an ppa
[17:51] <bulldog98_> Ezim: I find rekonq quite usable
[17:51] <jtechidna> Ezim: the decision to use rekonq was never forced by anyone
[17:51] <rbelem> bulldog98_, hum... probably it is just env var that is missing
[17:51] <bulldog98_> rbelem: I set that QT_IM…
[17:51] <Ezim> qupzilla is much better bulldog98_ 
[17:51] <bulldog98_> and that’s all they say
[17:51] <Ezim> if you want something based on qt
[17:51] <bulldog98_> Ezim: but no kde integration
[17:52]  * DWonderly loves rekonq
[17:52] <rbelem> bulldog98_, but where are you setting?
[17:52] <DWonderly> I also use chromium because of the intergration with my android stuff
[17:52] <bulldog98_> in the startactive…/env.something
[17:52] <Ezim> bulldog98_, thats true, but still better then rekonq..
[17:53] <Ezim> even konqueror is better
[17:53] <bulldog98_> hm Ezim I like it and that’s my opinion and I think it’s not very productive to discuss about it right now :)
[17:54] <bulldog98_> ah and konqueror is slower
[17:54] <DWonderly> Better how?
[17:55] <Ezim> DWonderly, less buggy
[17:55] <DWonderly> ... okay, what is buggy? I guess I'm looking for a good example
[17:56] <DWonderly> :) I don't always work well with broad statements.
[17:56] <Ezim> DWonderly, first thing I did for rekonq uninstall.. with ubuntu 11.10 it crashed when youtube
[17:56] <Ezim> or other things
[17:56] <bulldog98_> Ezim: hm flash?
[17:56] <Ezim> bulldog98_, yes
[17:56] <bulldog98_> fuck flash away and use html5
[17:56] <DWonderly> There is only one site I have not been able to use properly
[17:56] <DWonderly> that is box.com
[17:56] <bulldog98_> http://youtube.com/html5
[17:57] <bulldog98_> d
[17:57] <Ezim> bulldog98_, flash works great here with firefox/chrome :)
[17:57] <DWonderly> bulldog98_: ++
[18:02] <Ezim> bulldog98_, how do I know if it uses html5 instead of flash?
[18:02] <Ezim> in ytube
[18:02] <bulldog98_> Ezim: deinstall flashplugin, then you’ll know :)
[18:03] <bulldog98_> no normaly a right click should tell you
[18:03] <Ezim> bulldog98_, thx for the info.
[18:04] <bulldog98_> Ezim: no problem I’m happy about anyone not using flash anymore :)
[18:04] <bulldog98_> -> leads to less problem we have to support :)
[18:05] <mgraesslin> yofel: ping
[18:05] <DWonderly> Flash is dying anyway.
[18:05] <bulldog98_> yep
[18:05] <DWonderly> and quickly.
[18:06] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin: what do we have to do for kwin_active to show new windows in the front (not in the windowstrip) and focused?
[18:06] <bulldog98_> and hi btw
[18:06] <bulldog98_> DWonderly: defently
[18:07] <mgraesslin> bulldog98_: I don't understand the question
[18:11] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin: how do I get kwin (build for active) to open new windows in the front (talking about plasma active) with a config option or something like that
[18:15] <mgraesslin> bulldog98_: I still don't understand the problem
[18:16] <jtechidna> I think he's saying that when you launch an app with Plasma Active, you have to open up that thing at the top and manually switch to the app
[18:16] <jtechidna> and he's wondering if there's a way to make KWin Active automatically give the new window focus
[18:16] <bulldog98_> yep
[18:16] <bulldog98_> since the balsam images are doing that
[18:17] <mgraesslin> then I would suggest to look at the balsam packages :-)
[18:18] <bulldog98_> hm thought you’d just know it :P
[18:18]  * mgraesslin would guess that kubuntu forgot to package something if it works for balsam but not for kubuntu :-)
[18:19] <jtechidna> or they patched something but forgot to forward it :P
[18:19] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin: hm the documentation about what is needed is in an absolutly bad manar
[18:20] <bulldog98_> oh kool I just found the disable courser stuff
[18:20] <bulldog98_> rbelem: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/plasma-mobile/plasma-mobile-config/repository
[19:07] <bulldog98_> jtechidna: btw have you seen the latest thread in kde-packagers
[19:07] <jtechidna> ayep
[19:08] <jtechidna> I don't really sympathize with fedora for pushing it too early, but I also don't think the release should be cancelled
[19:08] <jtechidna> at any rate, it gives us more time to do things
[19:12] <bulldog98_> yep
[19:12] <ScottK> You all saw 4.9 beta 1 is delayed, right?
[19:12] <ScottK> Ah, you did.
[19:12] <ScottK> I should read scrollback.
[19:13] <ScottK> jtechidna: We push early all the time to try and have packages ~built at release.
[19:13] <bulldog98_> ScottK: yeah tsdgeos pointed it out to me
[19:13] <ScottK> The real problem is the KDE release people spending three days saying nothing about it and then canceling with no warning.
[19:14] <bulldog98_> maybe we should start a thread about a common name sheme for betas and rcs, so guys can base their packaging tools on
[19:14] <ScottK> If I were Fedora, I'd probably release it anyway, just don't call it beta 1.
[19:15] <Ezim> is it fedora that release the kde releases first?
[19:15] <ScottK> Dunno.
[19:15] <ScottK> We all try to have packages on ~release day.
[19:15] <Ezim> ScottK, thought so.. you were dicsussing fedora
[19:15] <ScottK> Not all, I guess.
[19:15] <ScottK> We were working on it too.
[19:16] <Ezim> ScottK, okey.
[19:16] <bulldog98_> ScottK: yeah debian is working on 4.8.3 so they don’t have time for 4.8.80
[19:16] <yofel> evening folks
[19:16] <yofel> fun thread indeed
[19:16] <bulldog98_> yofel: hi
[19:16] <Ezim> yofel, hi
[19:16] <bulldog98_> yofel: could you have a look at the kdepim build on your maschine?
[19:16] <Ezim> is there any info about 4.8.80
[19:16] <Ezim> fetuare list etc
[19:16] <bulldog98_> I don’t have a clue why it doesn’t works
[19:17] <yofel> there's a feature definition page somewhere
[19:17] <yofel> (techbase)
[19:17] <yofel> lemme read the channel log from today, then I'll take a look
[19:18] <bulldog98_> alright
[19:21] <yofel> bulldog98_: is pykde a build or runtime dep? the dep graph is build-only
[19:21] <bulldog98_> btw should I merge kdegames-card-data and kdegames-card-extra-data
[19:21] <yofel> and afaik that's a runtime one
[19:22] <bulldog98_> yofel: hm think cmake says run, but it won’t build kaj… by default then
[19:22] <bulldog98_> yofel: you can have a look at the kdegames log on your maschine
[19:25] <yofel> bulldog98_: I believe we have a  'install_kajongg_anyway' flag or so set because of that
[19:26] <yofel> bulldog98_: -DINSTALL_KAJONGG=TRUE
[19:26] <bulldog98_> yofel: ah ok
[19:26] <yofel> pykde is a bit of a heavy build-dep if it's not really needed
[19:26] <bulldog98_> yeah I know that it’s quite light wight :)
[19:27] <ScottK> bulldog98_: Don't merge them.
[19:27] <yofel> ScottK: why not?
[19:27] <bulldog98_> ScottK: ok
[19:27] <ScottK> Space.
[19:27] <yofel> uhm, for what did we increase our images for then?
[19:28] <ScottK> Let's wait until we know for sure how much space 4.9 takes.
[19:28] <ScottK> It's easy to drop the split later.
[19:28] <bulldog98_> ScottK: that’s right
[19:28] <yofel> fine with me then, as long as we don't forget it
[19:35] <jtechidna> yofel: btw, did any of us ping soprano wrt the abi bump?
[19:35] <yofel> if you didn't, then no. I'm on a trip and forgot about it
[19:36] <jtechidna> ok. I didn't, for the record
[19:36] <jtechidna> do you get to have fun on this trip, or is it a business trip?
[19:37] <yofel> fun trip, or I would probably spend more time here :P
[19:37] <jtechidna> :P
[19:37] <jtechidna> well, have fun
[19:39] <bulldog98_> yofel: am I allowed to ask where you’ve gone?
[19:40] <bulldog98_> and yeah have fun
[19:40] <yofel> bulldog98_: berlin (and no, I had no time last week :( )
[19:40] <bulldog98_> yofel: have you already been at cbase?
[19:40] <yofel> not yet
[19:40] <bulldog98_> it’s an awesome hackerspace
[19:41] <yofel> I know, I was there last year ;)
[19:41] <bulldog98_> yofel: just forgot about that :)
[19:41] <bulldog98_> yofel: but you haven’t been downstairs :P
[19:53] <bulldog98> hm kdegames now has a libkdegamesprivate.so where to put that into?
[19:54] <jtechidna> it should be its own package
[19:55] <jtechidna> do you know if libkdegames (and it's -dev stuff) are still around?
[19:56] <yofel> there is a libkdegames5a - adding it to that should be fine (as we don't care about multiarch
[19:56] <bulldog98> jtechidna: yep but they bumped the library version
[19:56] <yofel> bulldog98: re kdepim:
[19:56] <yofel> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libmailimporter.so.4 needed by debian/kmail/usr/bin/kmailcvt (ELF form
[19:56] <yofel>     at: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').
[19:57] <yofel> that file is not installed into any package ^
[19:57] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah, but I have that in an extra package
[19:57] <bulldog98> it’s a new one
[19:57] <jtechidna> hmm, I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to have the private and public libs in the same package
[19:57] <yofel> then the package is not built, or the install file and package name don't match...
[19:57] <yofel> or whatever
[19:58] <yofel> jtechidna: put it into... kdegames-common or so instead?
[19:58] <jtechidna> we'd make a libkdegamesprivate package
[19:58] <jtechidna> and no corresponding -dev package since it's private
[19:58] <jtechidna> well, we'd probably want to check in w/ Debian about that, but they like to keep it to one-package-per-library in general
[19:59] <yofel> true
[19:59] <bulldog98> I’ll ask in the debian channel about that, but first I’ll have a look at kdepim
[19:59] <jtechidna> I'm heading home now, bbiab
[20:01] <bulldog98> yofel: the .install is named libmailimporter4.install and the libs are rightly noted in it
[20:04] <yofel> bulldog98: maybe the control file entry is wrong? dh_makeshlibs doesn't see it either
[20:04] <bulldog98> yofel: I’ll check that again
[20:04] <yofel> hm, wait
[20:06] <yofel> bulldog98: there's something weird here
[20:07] <yofel> it does see it, runs "rm -f debian/libmailimporter4/DEBIAN/shlibs", and then... skips the rest of the process o.O
[20:08] <bulldog98> yofel: maybe it needs a symbols file?
[20:09] <yofel> it should have one indeed, but it shouldn't fail if  it's missing...
[20:09] <bulldog98> yofel: for haveing one you first need to run an build :) and then pkgkde-symbolshelper it
[20:09] <yofel> exactly
[20:10] <yofel> ah, we have no -dev package, so it doesn't need a symbol file
[20:12] <bulldog98> yofel: we have an kdepim-dev package
[20:12] <yofel> ...
[20:12] <yofel> make that: I'm tired
[20:13] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah that’s ok
[20:19] <yofel> bulldog98: I can't really see what's wrong either :/
[20:20] <yofel> if someone else wants to take a look, here's the buildlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013655/
[21:11]  * bulldog98 -> goTo (bed);
[21:11] <bulldog98> oh no I used goTo :)
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> well, looks like soprano will address the API issue, but best not to upload a soprano to the archives until then
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> (that is a good reason to delay a release, imo)
[21:12]  * apachelogger points out that the in the OS he wrote last year he used plenty of goto :P
[21:13] <KRF> apachelogger: during a microsoft intern?
[21:13]  * JontheEchidna notes that C# has no case-fallthrough in switch statements, and you must goto the case label to achieve such an effect
[21:13] <apachelogger> KRF: how did you know?
[21:14] <KRF> deductive reasoning
[21:32] <Ezim> http://wm161.net/2012/05/16/musings-on-the-linux-audio-stack/
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> qmake has no build progress!!! AaaAaAAAaHHHhhhhhhhhh....
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> cmake has me spoiled good
[21:47] <yofel> neither does autotools. Cmake has it's good points
[21:48]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: would you mind looking at qt4-x11 in new queue? I've got an upload prepped for bug 897547 that needs it
[22:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is your change in Debian already?
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> it's just changing the paths of the libraries in the .install files, and rebuilding against this newer qt4-x11
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> now that qt4-x11 has been merged, the buildsystem will put the declarative libs in the right location on build
[22:27] <ScottK> OK.
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> (new queue is an unrelated detour)
[22:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: FTBFS on i386.
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[22:28] <ScottK> That needs fixing before I let it out.
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> that's not good
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> I'll take a look at it then
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> before I look at the build log, I'm guessing it's going to be a symbols issue :P
[22:30] <ScottK> g++: error: unrecognized command line option '-fuse-ld=gold'
[22:30] <ScottK> Close.
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> something's causing the i386 build to think that it can link with gold instead of the normal ld
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> the amd64 doesn't mention gold at all, whereas it's mentioned as being used as the linker for qtwebkit on i386
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> *the amd64 build log
[22:38] <ScottK> I guess look for something i386 specific in the pro files for qtwebkit.
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> these look suspect: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013857/
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> in about 240 MiB I'll be able to look at them
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> I think changelogs.ubuntu.com is broken
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> no changelogs for releases a week old
[22:45] <ScottK> Looks 'promsing'.
[22:45] <ScottK> promising even.
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> yay, finally downloaded
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> linux-g++ {
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> isEmpty($$(SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH)):exists(/usr/bin/ld.gold) {
[23:15] <JontheEchidna>     message(Using gold linker)
[23:15] <JontheEchidna>     QMAKE_LFLAGS+=-fuse-ld=gold
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> }
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> }
[23:18] <ScottK> Fun.
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> if SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH is empty and /usr/bin/ld.gold exists
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> then use gold linker
[23:19] <ScottK> My money is on SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH.
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it has to be. binutils ships a link from ld.gold to ld
[23:21] <ScottK> Same error on powerpc.
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> sbox apparently refers to scratchbox
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> we could just patch that check out
[23:25] <ScottK> Is the variable used anywhere else?
[23:25] <ScottK> Even worse than an FTBFS would be a misbuild due to it not being set.
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> not within the scope of webkit
[23:25] <ScottK> OK.  Seems safe enough then.
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> once I get it patched I'll throw it in my ppa and see if i386 builds
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> ergh, I've been in a 4.8.1 tarball this whole time
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> well, this is good. maybe I can see what changed, tehn
[23:31] <ScottK> At least you didn't upload it ....
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> I noticed when I went to do the dch -i
[23:32] <ScottK> Just in time, is still in time.
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> 20 more minutes for the 4.8.2 tarball
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> I: user script /var/cache/pbuilder/build//10422/tmp/hooks/B10list-missing starting
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> STARTING LIST-MISSING
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/debian/tmp-kwin-active/usr/bin/kwinactive': No such file or directory
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/debian/tmp-kwin-active/usr/bin/kwinactive debian/kde-window-manager-active/usr/bin// returned exit code 1
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> well that was a waste of a 2 hour build :(