[00:29] after 5 hours [00:29] I have bent kde-workspace to my will [00:29] FTBFS's FEAR ME [00:33] now it's just tame stuff like .install file tweaks [00:33] but Stallman almighty, double builds are no fun [00:40] ScottK: ping [06:10] yofel: in case you want to test https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105098/ [08:25] debfx: I have a upstream patch that's been accepted in Qt that i'd like to get in Ubuntu's Qt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/999522 Any hint on how to proceed? [08:25] Launchpad bug 999522 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Fix problems in Qt dragging when all of the window target has been shaped out for input" [Undecided,New] [09:05] tsdgeos: first we need to fix it in quantal. is that commit part of Qt 4.8.2? [09:06] debfx: afaik no, it came too late for the 4.8.2 release [09:06] debfx: dholbach might be having a look in #ubuntu-devel too, just in case you both end up doing the same :D [09:07] debfx: though i'm sure he's happy to pass it over to you :-) === lelamal__ is now known as lelamal === vprints_ is now known as vprints === Guest55695 is now known as Pici [13:08] Hiyas all [13:47] dantti: pong [13:54] wheeee [13:54] Quintasan: http://androidroot.mobi/2012/05/27/introducing-wheelie-nvflash-for-asus-transformer-tf101-b70/ [14:12] yofel: btw should I update the Standard-Versions to 3.9.3 if lintian says the one is outdated, or do we want to keep our packaging diff at a minimum? [14:15] bulldog98_: Diff to a minimum. [14:16] ScottK: ok that’s what I’m practicing, but I wanted to be sure [14:16] * ScottK nods [14:20] btw is it library or libary? [14:21] cause in kdepim there is both present in the control [14:21] library [14:22] not quite as bad as "verwsion" in libkwinglutils1 though :P [14:22] :) [14:22] * bulldog98_ will fix that [14:22] btw, on that note [14:22] I have kde-workspace mostly building [14:23] and I have the .install files somewhat updated [14:23] but dh_install --list-missing seems to be reporting a lot of false positives, so I'll have to go over those all later once I get home :s [14:24] I should have committed what I had last night, but I forgot :( [14:26] jtechidna: sounds good [14:27] the issue was that for some reason the screenshot kwin effect fails to build on the second build of kde-workspace we do for building kwin-active [14:27] I fixed it with a patch that includes the xrender headers/adds xrender to the linker targets [14:28] it seems to build fine when building normal kwin though, so that's a bit weird [14:29] jtechidna: for the active build I think we don’t have xrender on that [14:30] hmm [14:30] oh well, at least it builds [14:30] but I’m not so sure, you might have to ask rbelem [14:30] rbelem: any thoughts on ^? [14:30] jtechidna: yep that’s better than not building :) [14:30] I'll poke mgrasselin when I see him, too [14:40] do we want to compress packages with xz on armel and armhf? currently we use lzma for armhf but not armel [14:44] debfx: we deactivated it for armel because builds were timing out [14:44] if that doesn't happen with armhf we probably can also try it again for armel [14:44] if it times out we could still use xz with a lower compression level [14:48] why has Riddell put the third line into http://paste.kde.org/489338 [14:48] That should not go in that package. [14:49] ScottK: but’s in there right now, I’ll move it to data [14:49] bulldog98_: With Breaks/Replaces too, please. [14:49] ScottK: I already put the breaks replaces :) [14:50] Excellent. [14:51] ScottK: I still don’t know into which package it should go [14:52] bulldog98_: I guess you have to figure out which game needs that file. [14:52] ScottK: I tryed a grep, but that didn’t gave me a clue [14:53] Did you look where it is in the upstream source? [14:56] ScottK: haven’t found it yet [14:56] K. Dunno then. [14:58] ScottK: how good a packager am I? [15:00] apachelogger: Pretty good. Why? [15:00] afiestas_: ^ [15:01] ScottK: afiestas_ questions my abilities :P [15:01] ScottK: also.... pretty good? Oo [15:01] :O [15:01] apachelogger: I question your preferences between packaging or developing [15:01] :'( [15:01] afiestas_: yeah yeah :P [15:01] prn > * :P [15:01] I've questioned apachelogger's preferences too, but not those particular ones. [15:02] ScottK, bulldog98_: relative to kdegames src the file is in libkdegames/pics/star.png [15:03] Upstream source doesn't have a pics dir. [15:03] ScottK: one has to be open minded I always say [15:04] at least, in 4.8.2 [15:04] it [15:04] it's also in not-installed [15:05] I'm looking at 4.8.80. [15:05] bulldog98_: ^^^^ seems safe to drop it. [15:05] ScottK: I questioned fluffy desktop as well, but end up using it for a while [15:07] I thought it was an interesting demonstration of how customizable KDE is. [15:20] actually we should bring fluffy into the archives [15:40] jtechidna: did you know, if the user installs e.g ttf-mscorefonts-installer with Muon, it doesn't install it actually? A light bulb appears on the system tray, but if I click on it, only a black rectangle open in the middle of the screen in full width [15:41] shouldn't that be fixed already? [15:41] or is it still in proposed? [15:41] I seem to recall it failing verification once [15:42] the Polkit authentication dialog asks for the password, Muon downloads the packages and does something [15:44] I was talking about hte lightbulb bug [15:44] which package is that? [15:45] * ScottK has that bug. [15:45] had something to do with gnome's l10n being crap [15:45] Tell me what to install to fix it and I'll do the verification. [15:46] bug 993672 [15:46] Launchpad bug 993672 in intltool-debian (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ships malformed interactive upgrade hook which causes translations to be shown in the dialog" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993672 [15:46] would put all trnaslations in the file or something which then makes qt refuse to paint the dialog because it would be too wide [15:46] ScottK: ttf-mscorefonts-installer or kubuntu-restricted-extras, I tried these [15:47] the actual error is the new package-data-downloader added a month before release throwing a traceback [15:48] but as it turns out, the error reporting mechanism was also flawed [15:50] python? [15:52] what else? :P [15:52] python makes it too easy for people to write bad programs [15:55] <3 [15:56] it is actually the lack of unit testing that makes the programs bad [15:56] if ye write an application in pyt0rn at least make up for the missing build time checks [15:56] it could be that I just hate loosely-typed languages in general [15:56] jtechidna, hum... that patch needs to ifdef more code [15:58] jtechidna, this patch is upstream already, but probably is not ifdefing everything [15:58] so [15:59] no one got an opinion on bug 820175 [15:59] Launchpad bug 820175 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Activity manager and virtual desktop widget both in panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820175 [15:59] ? [16:00] I prefer virtual desktops [16:01] +1 === amichair__ is now known as amichair [16:05] * ScottK too. [16:06] * ScottK tried to kill of Activity manager in the default at some point, but jr threw being supportive of upstream at me. [16:19] activities +1 [16:24] for desktop "vitual desktops" [16:24] for tablets activities [16:25] rbelem: hi [16:25] ScottK: http://tinyurl.com/7b5y8z4 [16:26] that is just from one dialog [16:36] guys dep graph is wrong [16:36] blame yofel [16:36] kdegames depends on pyqt and pykde [16:36] say’s cmake [16:36] and sqlite [16:37] sqlite is no concern of ours :P [16:37] and qvoronoi and twisted horay to kajongg [16:37] HUNGRY [16:38] ScottK: also come to kubuntu-mobile if you have time [16:51] o/ [16:54] jussi: yeah? [16:55] rbelem: btw we must make kwin_active to open new windows opened and in focus [16:55] bulldog98_: just saying hi :) [16:55] and make the mouse courser going away [16:55] jussi: ah :) [17:00] rbelem: do we have some mallit stuff somewhere already? [17:01] s/mallit/maliit/ [17:01] bulldog98_ meant: "rbelem: do we have some maliit stuff somewhere already?" [17:02] had a question in the forums if we were planning on bringing back firefox-kde-support [17:03] Or, if we were planning on getting it back into Ubuntu repositories... [17:03] the mozilla maintainers dropped the patch needed for it [17:03] DWonderly: it was always a hack and was not supported upstream [17:04] Upstream Mozilla or, mozilla KDE? [17:04] * bulldog98_ points out, that I found a webpage, that was not working in chromium and firefox, but rekonq could handle it fine [17:04] o.O [17:04] Ubuntu mozilla maintainers [17:05] I use Chromium because of the intergration from mobile, tablet, tablet and laptop. [17:05] DWonderly: even better that page was a free wifi login page, and only rekonq managed to get logged in [17:05] jtechidna: thanks [17:05] bulldog98_: ++ [17:05] ~karma bulldog98_ [17:05] karma for bulldog98_: 1 [17:05] * bulldog98_ hugs DWonderly [17:05] :D [17:09] guys have you seen the rekonq 1.0 blog post? [17:16] I have not... [17:16] bulldog98_: linkie? [17:17] DWonderly: http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/rekonq-1-0-features-error-page/ [17:18] :D Epic. [17:19] This is the BEST 404 page I have ever seen. http://www.orangecoat.com/404 [17:19] DWonderly: that’s a nice one [17:20] So, I've been looking into the logistics of selling some Kubuntu T-Shirts... [17:20] We also need CDs [17:20] But, for design, what do you guys think of having some sort of design contest with the community submitting? [17:21] We did it for the Southern California Linux Expo and came out with one hell of a kick ass t-shirt. [17:21] DWonderly: sounds awesome [17:21] welp, 4.8.80 is called off [17:21] gives us some time at least [17:23] 4.8.8? [17:23] 4.8.80 [17:24] aka 4.9 beta 1 [17:24] jtechidna: I *just* realized that you changed your nick [17:24] * DWonderly snickers [17:24] jtechidna, I see.. sorry [17:24] DWonderly: nah, this is just my PC at work :P [17:24] * highvoltage finds the new nick easier [17:24] :D Got ya. [17:24] JontheEchidna: my laptop at home [17:24] see jonny boy has no quass0l, so he has ot change nicks when moving :P [17:24] hehehe [17:25] quassel-core ftw [17:25] jtechidna, muon software centre/packagemanager is really good for 12.04 [17:25] esp with quasselDroid [17:25] :) [17:25] but for installing .deb package I still prefer gdebi [17:26] it have some issue with installing chrome/google talk .deb files if not the gdebi/command way... [17:26] Ezim: could you link me to such a .deb? [17:26] jtechidna, will do sir. [17:27] thx [17:27] g-talk: http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html [17:27] chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome?brand=CHMO#eula [17:29] jtechidna, I am running kubuntu 12.04 32-bits [17:29] Ezim: and how would you describe the problem that qapt-deb-installer has with those debs? [17:30] jtechidna, did not really remenber right now.. I think it said it was installed but I could not find them [17:30] hmm [17:30] on the surface it seems to work for me: http://i.imgur.com/qtzOo.png [17:31] jtechidna, it looked so for me [17:31] can you find google talkplugin [17:31] how would I check for that? [17:31] in your browser? [17:31] jtechidna, :) if you use firefox or any webbrowser you should find extension place [17:34] I don't see it in the extension section of Firefox even after dpkg -i [17:34] oh, it's in the plugin section [17:34] did you find in plugin section? [17:34] yes [17:35] about:plugins right? [17:35] hmm 32-bits or 64-bits? [17:35] DWonderly, that works also :) [17:35] 64-bit [17:35] 32 here [17:35] DWonderly, worked for you? [17:35] Aye [17:36] aye? [17:36] it's a way from the 13th century to say "yes" :P [17:37] if worked then maybe I did not wait [17:37] jtechidna, I see.. my english is not the best... I thought it ment something :P [17:37] to be fair, it's very old english [17:37] yarr! [17:38] jtechidna, then muon works :) great... [17:39] kubuntu 12.04 feels boring stable... LTS [17:40] jtechidna, what fun is waiting for us with coming muon? [17:40] This is a pretty good list: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/muon-suite-1-4-alpha-released/ [17:41] muon software center looks kind of old ubuntu software or maybe more like linux mint software center [17:42] yeah, it definitely was influenced by the early design [17:43] it looks good... [17:43] before muon first thing many kubuntu user that I met did was installing synaptic.. but muon is good enough [17:44] that's nice the hear. the Muon Package Manager should have all the features that Synaptic has now. [17:44] jtechidna: we need to pimp discover a bit, so that we can use it on touchscreens [17:45] bulldog98_: yeah, currently the default grid view for the categories reacts to mouse hovers, which really doesn't work well for touchscreens [17:45] and other stuff like that [17:45] jtechidna: I know, but at least you can kind of use it with a touchscreen device [17:46] * jtechidna nods [17:48] jtechidna: can I already install the alpha from some ppa? [17:48] bulldog98_: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt-experimental [17:49] ah should have known it [17:49] bulldog98_, i'm not sure... Quintasan was looking on that [17:49] rbelem: I now have it installed, but I don’t get it to work [17:49] -> no keyboard atm [17:50] bulldog98_, do you have the packages? [17:50] is it possible that we switch from rekonq to a better browser for 12.10 now when we are not force to take order from canonical? [17:50] rbelem: they have an ppa [17:51] Ezim: I find rekonq quite usable [17:51] Ezim: the decision to use rekonq was never forced by anyone [17:51] bulldog98_, hum... probably it is just env var that is missing [17:51] rbelem: I set that QT_IM… [17:51] qupzilla is much better bulldog98_ [17:51] and that’s all they say [17:51] if you want something based on qt [17:51] Ezim: but no kde integration [17:52] * DWonderly loves rekonq [17:52] bulldog98_, but where are you setting? [17:52] I also use chromium because of the intergration with my android stuff [17:52] in the startactive…/env.something [17:52] bulldog98_, thats true, but still better then rekonq.. [17:53] even konqueror is better [17:53] hm Ezim I like it and that’s my opinion and I think it’s not very productive to discuss about it right now :) [17:54] ah and konqueror is slower [17:54] Better how? [17:55] DWonderly, less buggy [17:55] ... okay, what is buggy? I guess I'm looking for a good example [17:56] :) I don't always work well with broad statements. [17:56] DWonderly, first thing I did for rekonq uninstall.. with ubuntu 11.10 it crashed when youtube [17:56] or other things [17:56] Ezim: hm flash? [17:56] bulldog98_, yes [17:56] fuck flash away and use html5 [17:56] There is only one site I have not been able to use properly [17:56] that is box.com [17:56] http://youtube.com/html5 [17:57] d [17:57] bulldog98_, flash works great here with firefox/chrome :) [17:57] bulldog98_: ++ [18:02] bulldog98_, how do I know if it uses html5 instead of flash? [18:02] in ytube [18:02] Ezim: deinstall flashplugin, then you’ll know :) [18:03] no normaly a right click should tell you [18:03] bulldog98_, thx for the info. [18:04] Ezim: no problem I’m happy about anyone not using flash anymore :) [18:04] -> leads to less problem we have to support :) [18:05] yofel: ping [18:05] Flash is dying anyway. [18:05] yep [18:05] and quickly. [18:06] mgraesslin: what do we have to do for kwin_active to show new windows in the front (not in the windowstrip) and focused? [18:06] and hi btw [18:06] DWonderly: defently [18:07] bulldog98_: I don't understand the question [18:11] mgraesslin: how do I get kwin (build for active) to open new windows in the front (talking about plasma active) with a config option or something like that [18:15] bulldog98_: I still don't understand the problem [18:16] I think he's saying that when you launch an app with Plasma Active, you have to open up that thing at the top and manually switch to the app [18:16] and he's wondering if there's a way to make KWin Active automatically give the new window focus [18:16] yep [18:16] since the balsam images are doing that [18:17] then I would suggest to look at the balsam packages :-) [18:18] hm thought you’d just know it :P [18:18] * mgraesslin would guess that kubuntu forgot to package something if it works for balsam but not for kubuntu :-) [18:19] or they patched something but forgot to forward it :P [18:19] mgraesslin: hm the documentation about what is needed is in an absolutly bad manar [18:20] oh kool I just found the disable courser stuff [18:20] rbelem: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/plasma-mobile/plasma-mobile-config/repository === DWonderly is now known as Darkwing [19:07] jtechidna: btw have you seen the latest thread in kde-packagers [19:07] ayep [19:08] I don't really sympathize with fedora for pushing it too early, but I also don't think the release should be cancelled [19:08] at any rate, it gives us more time to do things [19:12] yep [19:12] You all saw 4.9 beta 1 is delayed, right? [19:12] Ah, you did. [19:12] I should read scrollback. [19:13] jtechidna: We push early all the time to try and have packages ~built at release. [19:13] ScottK: yeah tsdgeos pointed it out to me [19:13] The real problem is the KDE release people spending three days saying nothing about it and then canceling with no warning. [19:14] maybe we should start a thread about a common name sheme for betas and rcs, so guys can base their packaging tools on [19:14] If I were Fedora, I'd probably release it anyway, just don't call it beta 1. [19:15] is it fedora that release the kde releases first? [19:15] Dunno. [19:15] We all try to have packages on ~release day. [19:15] ScottK, thought so.. you were dicsussing fedora [19:15] Not all, I guess. [19:15] We were working on it too. [19:16] ScottK, okey. [19:16] ScottK: yeah debian is working on 4.8.3 so they don’t have time for 4.8.80 [19:16] evening folks [19:16] fun thread indeed [19:16] yofel: hi [19:16] yofel, hi [19:16] yofel: could you have a look at the kdepim build on your maschine? [19:16] is there any info about 4.8.80 [19:16] fetuare list etc [19:16] I don’t have a clue why it doesn’t works [19:17] there's a feature definition page somewhere [19:17] (techbase) [19:17] lemme read the channel log from today, then I'll take a look [19:18] alright [19:21] bulldog98_: is pykde a build or runtime dep? the dep graph is build-only [19:21] btw should I merge kdegames-card-data and kdegames-card-extra-data [19:21] and afaik that's a runtime one [19:22] yofel: hm think cmake says run, but it won’t build kaj… by default then [19:22] yofel: you can have a look at the kdegames log on your maschine [19:25] bulldog98_: I believe we have a 'install_kajongg_anyway' flag or so set because of that [19:26] bulldog98_: -DINSTALL_KAJONGG=TRUE [19:26] yofel: ah ok [19:26] pykde is a bit of a heavy build-dep if it's not really needed [19:26] yeah I know that it’s quite light wight :) [19:27] bulldog98_: Don't merge them. [19:27] ScottK: why not? [19:27] ScottK: ok [19:27] Space. [19:27] uhm, for what did we increase our images for then? [19:28] Let's wait until we know for sure how much space 4.9 takes. [19:28] It's easy to drop the split later. [19:28] ScottK: that’s right [19:28] fine with me then, as long as we don't forget it [19:35] yofel: btw, did any of us ping soprano wrt the abi bump? [19:35] if you didn't, then no. I'm on a trip and forgot about it [19:36] ok. I didn't, for the record [19:36] do you get to have fun on this trip, or is it a business trip? [19:37] fun trip, or I would probably spend more time here :P [19:37] :P [19:37] well, have fun [19:39] yofel: am I allowed to ask where you’ve gone? [19:40] and yeah have fun [19:40] bulldog98_: berlin (and no, I had no time last week :( ) [19:40] yofel: have you already been at cbase? [19:40] not yet [19:40] it’s an awesome hackerspace [19:41] I know, I was there last year ;) [19:41] yofel: just forgot about that :) [19:41] yofel: but you haven’t been downstairs :P === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [19:53] hm kdegames now has a libkdegamesprivate.so where to put that into? [19:54] it should be its own package [19:55] do you know if libkdegames (and it's -dev stuff) are still around? [19:56] there is a libkdegames5a - adding it to that should be fine (as we don't care about multiarch [19:56] jtechidna: yep but they bumped the library version [19:56] bulldog98: re kdepim: [19:56] dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libmailimporter.so.4 needed by debian/kmail/usr/bin/kmailcvt (ELF form [19:56] at: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: ''). [19:57] that file is not installed into any package ^ [19:57] yofel: yeah, but I have that in an extra package [19:57] it’s a new one [19:57] hmm, I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to have the private and public libs in the same package [19:57] then the package is not built, or the install file and package name don't match... [19:57] or whatever [19:58] jtechidna: put it into... kdegames-common or so instead? [19:58] we'd make a libkdegamesprivate package [19:58] and no corresponding -dev package since it's private [19:58] well, we'd probably want to check in w/ Debian about that, but they like to keep it to one-package-per-library in general [19:59] true [19:59] I’ll ask in the debian channel about that, but first I’ll have a look at kdepim [19:59] I'm heading home now, bbiab [20:01] yofel: the .install is named libmailimporter4.install and the libs are rightly noted in it [20:04] bulldog98: maybe the control file entry is wrong? dh_makeshlibs doesn't see it either [20:04] yofel: I’ll check that again [20:04] hm, wait [20:06] bulldog98: there's something weird here [20:07] it does see it, runs "rm -f debian/libmailimporter4/DEBIAN/shlibs", and then... skips the rest of the process o.O [20:08] yofel: maybe it needs a symbols file? [20:09] it should have one indeed, but it shouldn't fail if it's missing... [20:09] yofel: for haveing one you first need to run an build :) and then pkgkde-symbolshelper it [20:09] exactly [20:10] ah, we have no -dev package, so it doesn't need a symbol file [20:12] yofel: we have an kdepim-dev package [20:12] ... [20:12] make that: I'm tired [20:13] yofel: yeah that’s ok [20:19] bulldog98: I can't really see what's wrong either :/ [20:20] if someone else wants to take a look, here's the buildlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013655/ [21:11] * bulldog98 -> goTo (bed); [21:11] oh no I used goTo :) [21:12] lol [21:12] well, looks like soprano will address the API issue, but best not to upload a soprano to the archives until then [21:12] (that is a good reason to delay a release, imo) [21:12] * apachelogger points out that the in the OS he wrote last year he used plenty of goto :P [21:13] apachelogger: during a microsoft intern? [21:13] * JontheEchidna notes that C# has no case-fallthrough in switch statements, and you must goto the case label to achieve such an effect [21:13] KRF: how did you know? [21:14]