[00:28] * mhall119 revokes imbrandon's comedy license [00:34] :) [00:39] heh [00:43] cjohnston: every time you ask me to do summit work, I'm going to picture you asking me with a butterfly on your head [00:44] thats fine.. just do some summit work [00:44] it does make it hard to say 'no' to you [00:44] good [00:45] also, I *did* do summit work while you were off galavanting on the other side of the world [00:48] and I will follow through with my promise [00:49] bring the whole family and we'll make it a party [00:49] or just bring yourself and we'll drink until hacking on render.py seems like a good idea [00:49] can we just leave the 4 little ones with the big one? [00:50] we have a playground [00:50] true [00:52] is the wife having fun over there? [00:53] yes [00:53] she is having a great time [00:53] dont you see the pictures [00:53] lol [00:53] I saw a few [00:53] including the above mentioned butterfly [00:53] and fire station [00:54] ya.. internet isnt great... so getting pictures from here to the world is a little slow [00:54] and she has to leave in 5 minutes to go back to the city [00:54] does Linaro run their own conference wifi? [00:54] sore subject === SaMe is now known as ubuntu-co-bot [06:24] aloha [06:25] afternoon [06:30] cjohnston: hows the event going? [06:30] as smmoothly as a uds? [06:53] good morning [07:06] o/ === meetingology` is now known as meetingology [10:00] Hello community [10:02] * cjohnston is off to spend the evening in the city [10:02] Have fun cjohnston [10:02] ty [10:03] nw === JanC_ is now known as JanC === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [11:31] Ping technoviking re: forum registration template :) === Guest55695 is now known as Pici [11:45] technoviking, never mind the ping. All sorted [14:39] czajkowski: do you remember the URL to add bug trackers to lp? [14:40] Hey jcastro does askubuntu have an api to query info? [14:41] jcastro: never done it [14:41] s-fox: yeah [14:42] jcastro: let me find out for you [14:42] am getting multiple pings :) [14:42] s-fox: http://api.askubuntu.com/ [14:42] jcastro, great. we are looking to integrate askubuntu into the ubuntu accomplishments system. :) [14:42] look in /badges probably [14:43] Great thank you. Reading :) [14:44] jcastro: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers [14:44] jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker [14:44] snap [14:44] BOOYA [14:44] thanks! [14:44] np [14:57] hey do we have this IRC meeting today? [14:57] yep, in 3m [14:59] alrighty [14:59] jcastro, dholbach, dpm, mhall119, balloons all set? [14:59] yep! [14:59] :-) [14:59] yup [15:00] yep [15:00] woo! [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started Tue May 29 15:00:32 2012 UTC. The chair is jono. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:00] welcome one and all to the Canonical Community Team meeting! [15:00] *crowd roars* [15:01] prepare yourselves for a cacophony of status updates and exciting tidbits [15:01] first up from the toilet crew is a man we all love... [15:01] ...a man who one day will perform live with some kind of oversized animal head on.... [15:01] ...dholbach! [15:01] Toilet Crew? Is that a new name you guys agreed on while I was away? [15:02] lol [15:02] that's a sh.tty band name :-P [15:02] ok ok [15:02] ☺ Dev initiatives: held first MOTU meeting in a long time, discussed bug fixing initiative among other things. Wrote meeting minutes, followed up on some actions. [15:02] * dpm hugs dholbach [15:02] * dholbach hugs dpm back :) [15:02] ☺ Sponsoring: did a patch pilot shift. [15:02] it was that or "Hootie and the Blowfish" [15:02] ouch [15:02] ok, nevermind then [15:02] :) [15:02] ☺ Dev Infrastructure: Got a new Harvest version deployed, which fixes some API issues. This will make it easier to develop a lens for Harvest. [15:02] ☺ CC: CC hangout. [15:03] ☺ Apps: had a call with David about qreator packaging and general apps-packaging recommendations. Discussions about Apps Track at UDS. Put together a list of current issues in the apps world. Starting running apps from the ARB queue through pkgme, started a document. Had a call with dpm about improving the review capacity. Had a call with james_w about pkgme in general. Wrote a small patch for pkgme and got it included - woohoo. [15:03] Had a call with mhall119 and dpm to catch up. [15:03] ☺ Misc: Investigated missing copyrights on changelogs.u.c. Had a day off and went to http://www.karneval-berlin.de/de/ [15:03] Done. [15:03] any questions for dholbach? [15:04] ok then! [15:04] next up... [15:04] ...charming is his middle name...jcastro! [15:05] AWWWW YEAH [15:05] # Jorge's Mega short update [15:05] (Brought to you by Megadeth) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkh99bIN_c [15:05] Short week, Memorial Day + a day off [15:05] DONE this week: [15:05] - Implemented patch pilot for the charm store [15:05] - Shipped a bunch of swag to juju folks and Nick's QA heroes. [15:05] - Webinar planning [15:05] - Event planning for juju charm schools at OSCON and stuff, see http://juju.ubuntu.com/Events [15:05] - Blueprints all accepted. [15:05] TODO this week: [15:06] - Creating patch pilot calendar and schedule people. [15:06] - juju in Debian hopefully soonish thanks to Clint [15:06] - Organize WI and other dumb bookkeeping, won't take long. [15:06] - Catch up with IS wrt. forums upgrade [15:06] Questions! [15:06] I've got one [15:06] are people at Debian excited about getting juju in there? [15:07] o/ jcastro [15:07] go go patch pilots! [15:07] it's not anything awesome yet [15:07] it's the client only right now [15:07] but cloud-init is there now [15:07] or about to be [15:07] to get the same kind of awesome juju thing Debian would need cloud-init enabled images, etc. [15:07] right, the pieces are there [15:07] there's infrastructure work to do [15:07] we're working on a "this is what debian would need" document [15:08] but it's a start. [15:08] nice [15:08] thanks jcastro [15:08] any other questions? [15:08] what is the update on the forum upgrade? [15:08] the last update I got was that the openid plugin is broken [15:08] and they need to OSS it so people can fix it [15:09] it was working before and then it stopped working [15:09] i know it went from broken -> fixed -> broken :-( [15:09] right [15:09] s-fox: welcome to openid [15:09] anyone keep a backup? lol [15:10] I'll know more when I talk to michael [15:10] Great, thank you for the update. [15:10] alrighty [15:10] next up! [15:11] ...Star Wars XX: Return Of The Quicklist, mhall119! [15:11] now with more Jar Jar Binks [15:11] watta ting [15:11] well, on that note... [15:12] Unity Quicklists are now available in Gnome Shell via extension [15:12] so all the work of getting them added and upstreamed last cycle will now benefit folks using GS as well as Unity [15:12] nice :) [15:13] on to the actual list: [15:13] Discussed concerns with the FC about new App Dev forum [15:13] There was one outstanding question at the FC's meeting last week, but I sent them an answer this morning, so we should be all set now [15:13] Finished (mostly) a Juju charm for Summit that was 90% generated from the Django project meta-data [15:13] \o/ [15:14] I need to setup an LP project for this code, need a cool name [15:14] Investigated what needs to be done to include pkgme in the app developer process [15:14] discussed with dpm, dholbach and jono what our next steps are [15:14] which led to: [15:14] Started learning how to write a pkgme backend [15:15] Facilitated Ubuntu TV discussions between Canonical and new community contributors [15:15] it's great to see someone from the community actively hacking on the TV project, if anybody sees bobweaver online tell him he's awesome [15:16] and finally... [15:16] Fixing Unity documentation bugs identified during UDS [15:16] so I was able to knock out at least a few work items [15:16] all done, any questions? [15:16] nice [15:17] Is there any document on how to get started hacking on Ubuntu TV? [15:17] yes, but it's all based on the deprecated unity 2d codebase [15:17] there will need to be new docs for the 3d port, once there is a 3d port in progress [15:18] gotcha [15:18] alrighty [15:18] next up... [15:18] ...the bell tolls when you ask the last question... [15:19] ...dpm! [15:19] o/ [15:19] no soundtrack, just raw actions for you [15:19] App developers [15:19] • Created a document to assess the current app review process in MyApps and provide a set of improvement proposals to lower the barrier for contribution for reviewers [15:19] • Call with mhall119, jono, dholbach about the app review process [15:20] • Asked and answered a bunch of questions in Askubuntu to use it and promote its usage (the application-development tag is doing well in terms of questions, but we need to grow the number of subscribers) [15:20] I was telling the other guys earlier on, I've found it to be a very useful resource for app devs [15:21] • Call with dholbach to better understand some concepts about packaging and got some help with qreator. Thanks! [15:21] • Just had another what's-up-in-the-apps-world catch up call with dholbach and mhall119 [15:21] Lots of app developer calls this week :) [15:21] • Worked with angeloc on the Quickly Qt template. He's finished it, it's got a few bugs pending, but it's fully functional and available on a PPA - https://launchpad.net/quickly-ubuntu-qt-template here's a demo: http://ubuntuone.com/5Aitbvi3gHqPph9pmjJ1TL [15:21] ...we're serious :) [15:21] absolutely, even with dead animal caps on [15:22] • Talked again with KenVandine to write the Social Networking integration tutorial. He's started, but the tutorial actually working is blocked on a Gwibber SRU that he is planning to upload today [15:22] • Worked on spare time on a branch to fix translations for Quickly apps to work in /opt. mterry merged the fix and prepared an SRU with a bunch of other /opt fixes for the ARB. SRU upload pending on feedback from other Quickly developers to give it a +1 [15:22] [15:22] Translators [15:23] • Translations call - UDS summary, updated Trello board at https://trello.com/board/translations-team/4f621c87861db54230b9ca39 [15:23] • Updated translations roundtable actions and got blueprint approved [15:24] Actually, I do have a soundtrack... [15:24] To close the update, here's the Rhythm Junkies for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3kRgsgBeaM [15:24] check out the Hare Krishna cameo near the end of the video [15:24] and that was me, questions? [15:24] any questions? [15:25] alright [15:25] next up! [15:26] ...pure, unfiltered, quality...balloons! [15:26] :-) [15:26] I got nothing.. I mean, I got alot of ideas.. but nothing.. [15:26] so in we go [15:26] quality balloons, guaranteed to never break [15:26] *Discussed with martin and product strategy teams plans for cycle regarding unity testing [15:27] *Had an interview with amber graner about last cycle and my role as qa community coordinator. It even includes a surprise "guest" -- and I do mean surprise ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUEldL5-mIg&list=UU1wVYZ7Md7qNvMnLraQIJeQ&index=33&feature=plpp_video [15:28] *Cleaned up ubuntu-testing team and laid out plans for next cycle: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/05/quality-in-quantal-community.html [15:28] *Took part in first release team meeting of the cycle :-) This should help ensure us qa community folks are represented and have a voice and insight into what's going on all cycle from all of the teams. [15:28] *Prepping for iso-testing Alpha 1, getting emails sent out to folks from last cycle and organizing testers around iso's. Testing begins this week get ready [15:29] *Held the first qa community irc meeting for the cycle. They are weds @ 1400 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting, please do come out and attend if possible! Consider this your cordial invitation. [15:29] *Made plans to kick off the first of the 'calls for testing' this cycle using the improvements to the qatracker tool (yay!). Instructions for participation should go out today/tomorrow :-) [15:29] *%100, actually, no lie, got all my blueprints and work items approved and ready to go for the cycle. (changes likely) [15:30] changes are *always* likely [15:30] ohh and let's see.. I got popey'd [15:31] * balloons wonders, that was last week right? [15:31] that sounds...painful? [15:31] that's all from me? [15:31] lol.. I can be definitive on this.. That's all from me! [15:31] anything else? [15:31] when would be the best time for us to upgrade to Quantal on our main machines in order to help testing? [15:32] any questions? [15:32] mhall119, alpha 1 is a good time I think.. Help out with iso testing the iso you would use on your machine.. [15:32] ok, cool [15:32] if everything looks good, upgrade :-) [15:32] alpha testing kicking off soon! :-) [15:33] thanks balloons [15:33] alright, I will wrap this baby up [15:33] * Team: [15:33] - Finalized remaining elements of 12.10 blueprints - I will blog a summary this week. [15:33] - Meetings with each member of the team catching up, post-UDS. Things look synced up now. [15:33] - Approving expenses and vacation and other house keeping bits and pieces. [15:33] * App Developers: [15:33] - Continued developing our strategy. [15:33] - Asked the team to prepare three reports to start collating together our strategic focus around the ARB, wider developer participation, and packaging. [15:33] - Started a weekly call to coordinate this work - app developers is going to be a strong focus in 12.10. [15:33] - Coordinating with legal around how we can lower the bar to deliver flash games in Ubuntu, thus opening up Ubuntu to thousands of potential apps. [15:34] * QA: [15:34] - Building plans around three phases of QA: (1) ISO Testing (2) Package Testing, and (3) Experience testing. [15:34] - Worked with balloons to start finalizing how we refine (1) and (3), with 12.10 kernel on 12.04 as a primary focus for (3). [15:34] * Travel: [15:34] - Still working on finalized UDS date/venue confirmation. Sorry, folks, I am waiting on the events team. [15:34] - Coordinating travel to OSCON and other events. [15:34] * Ubuntu Accomplishments: [15:34] - Worked on the preferences dialog, auto-start of the daemon on login, better docs, and hiding U1 bubbles. [15:34] - We are now feature-complete for 0.2 which is released in a few weeks. [15:34] - Wrote up a spec for the Ubuntu Accomplishments Web Gallery project - see it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Specs/WebGallery - we need Django developers, so if you want to help, let us know! [15:35] this was a shorter week due to a holiday, so a little less from me [15:35] any questions? [15:35] alrighty [15:35] lets wrap it [15:35] thanks, everyone! [15:36] #endmeeting [15:36] \o/ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-community.html || Don't forget to "flesh them out a little bit" || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): work items || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5 [15:36] Meeting ended Tue May 29 15:36:00 2012 UTC. [15:36] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-05-29-15.00.moin.txt [15:36] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-05-29-15.00.html [15:36] :) [15:36] hurray! [15:37] :-p [15:38] jcastro, hey [15:38] what kind of credentials does AskUbuntu take to log in? [15:38] email/pass? [15:38] I don't remember [15:38] jono: openid [15:38] jcastro, interesting [15:38] jono: there's a launchpad button [15:38] just click it [15:38] so s-fox mentioned that there is an API for it [15:39] I would like to explore getting AskUbuntu badges into Ubuntu Accomplishments [15:39] yeah [15:39] http://api.askubuntu.com/1.1/usage/methods/badge-recipients [15:39] but I assume that we would need to store the users openid URL and password [15:39] not sure, marcoceppi? ^^^ [15:40] so we need a means of encrypting the password over to the validation server [15:40] jono: I think you are supposed to have the user complete the SSO login, then store their openid identity url [15:40] jono: users email address are md5 hashes, so you could possibly look up a user in the API if they provide you with their email [15:41] marcoceppi, can I look up any user in the API using the md5 hash? [15:41] jono: yes [15:41] marcoceppi, ahhh, and can we get the hash locally/ [15:41] shouldn't accomplishments use only public/anonymous APIs? [15:41] mhall119, this API sounds public [15:41] jono: Ask Ubuntu also has OAuth [15:41] otherwise the remote validation would have to also have your user credentials [15:42] mhall119, right, I am wondering if we could do this [15:42] jono: I meant public data, sorry, things that you can read without having to authenticate [15:42] provide a means of encrypting passwords [15:42] like the LTP api [15:42] mhall119, but it sounds like marcoceppi is saying you can look up any user from the API [15:42] so I could look up jcastro if I wanted to [15:43] yeah, if you can do that without authenticating, that should work fine [15:43] mhall119 jono the basic Ask Ubuntu is open, there's a number of criteria anyone can look up at anytime. [15:43] Ask Ubuntu API* [15:43] right, the badges are already public [15:43] marcoceppi, so if I wanted to look up any user, could I find their list of badges? [15:44] jcastro, are there also a list of pre-defined badges on AskUbuntu [15:44] yep [15:44] http://api.askubuntu.com/1.1/usage/methods/user-badges [15:44] try it [15:44] jono: yes, the user object returns a user's ID, which will allow you get badges: http://api.askubuntu.com/1.1//users/41/badges [15:44] put in my user # there, 235 [15:44] jcastro, that doesnt help [15:45] http://api.askubuntu.com/1.1/users/235/badges [15:45] hey jcastro look what I found! http://popey.com/~alan/jorge_bird.jpg [15:45] jcastro, I mean is there a set list of badges that are then awarded to users [15:45] you wanted to see all my badges right? [15:45] oh, yeah [15:45] http://api.askubuntu.com/1.1/badges [15:45] popey: hah, awesome [15:46] cool that is what I needed, jcastro [15:46] http://api.askubuntu.com/1.0/usage [15:46] has them listed [15:46] I just clicked on them and then there's a button [15:46] marcoceppi, ok, so how would I look up a particular users ID - what credentials would I need to ask them for? [15:46] can I look it up based on email address? [15:47] jono: you don't need any creds to access the API unless you're going to be doing more than 250 requests an hour, then you need to sign up for a free API key [15:47] jono: you can search "email_hash" which is an md5 hash of the user's email [15:47] jono: you still short on sponsors for cls? [15:47] * marcoceppi works on a quick example [15:47] bkerensa, yep [15:47] marcoceppi, is that requests from a particular user? [15:47] or IP? [15:47] IP [15:48] marcoceppi, if you could write an example script, that would be handy [15:48] marcoceppi, ideally the script will only take an email address in plain text as the auth info [15:48] I can work with that [15:49] bkerensa, do you have someone who can help? [15:49] jono: I can give you the URL endpoint, I'm not too good with python, so if you can make it take a name and convert that name to an md5 hash, you'd just plug it in to the end point and consume the JSON output [15:49] marcoceppi, when you say name, do you mean email address? [15:50] jono: well... how about Oracle or have you talked to Ross Turk? [15:50] bkerensa, I tried Oracle [15:50] jono: sorry, yes, email not name [15:50] =/ [15:50] ahh [15:50] haven't talked to Ross [15:50] might hit him up [15:50] he might have some ideas if he isnt interested [15:50] bkerensa, that would be great [15:50] bkerensa, I wanted to talk to you anyway about promo in Portland [15:50] bkerensa, can we hop on a G+ later? [15:51] jono: sounds good ping me [15:51] marcoceppi, cool, I have never used MD5 hashing from Python, but should be simple [15:52] mhall119, btw, I finally got to install Gimp 2.8 from the PPA, I'm loving the single window UI :) [15:52] it's learning tuesday! [15:52] >>> import md5 [15:52] >>> m = md5.new() [15:52] >>> m.update("jono@ubuntu.com") [15:52] >>> m.digest() [15:52] easy :-) [15:53] * jono loves Python [15:55] dpm: press alt in the single-window UI [15:55] mhall119, btw, [15:55] it'll change the way you use Gimp forever [15:55] :-) [15:55] any chance you could have the accoms you committed to done this week? [15:55] hud ftw! [15:55] I want to get them into the 0.2 release [15:56] which did I committ to again? Global events and event organizer? [15:56] mhall119, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-growing-ubuntu-community-accomplishments [15:57] jono: no series goal set for that one, no wonder it's not on my status.u.c list [15:58] mhall119, oops [15:59] mhall119, done [16:05] * bkerensa got CLS up on Calagator [16:09] ok, calling it a day, but lingering for a bit here... [16:10] dholbach: there? [16:10] jcastro, in a meeting - what's up? [16:11] nm, I got it [16:11] just messing with the pilot thing [16:11] ok [16:14] jono: question about [mhall119] write accomplishment for Approved LoCo Team Member: TODO [16:15] that is something that may be true at one point, but false at a later point in time [16:15] TIL that the Debian way is usually better than the Ubuntu way when it comes to packaging (Our Development Wikis are so out of order :P) [16:20] bkerensa, you should be looking at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging instead of the wiki ;-) [16:25] dpm: that guide does not cover updating debian packages from new source tarballs from upstream [16:25] ;) [16:31] bkerensa, now there's an opportunity for you to write a new chapter ;-) [16:32] dholbach, I hear Ben volunteering :) ^^ [16:33] :-)) [16:33] dholbach: you should ping slangasek since he was the one who said wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate was incorrect [16:33] ;) [16:33] he is more qualified than me to write such doc [16:34] yes, that's part of the docs we want to replace [16:34] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging is maintained, the wiki isn't [16:35] dholbach: ^ seems more catered to upstream developers trying to get their apps into Ubuntu versus Community Contributors who want to hack on packages (Update/Packae/etc) [16:36] bkerensa, not really :) [16:36] or at least if you have a look at the guide itself [16:36] this page is more like an introduction, so we can embed it in the more general developer.u.c [16:37] ah [16:37] ok, I see what you mean [16:40] jcastro, any plans for askubuntu to move to a newer version of the api? You guys seem to be running v1.0 [16:40] no clue, marcoceppi? ^^ [16:41] s-fox: All stack exchange sites run api versions 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0 [16:42] 2.0 isn't a site specific API endpoint, so api.stackexchange.com/2.0?site=askubuntu will search the AU endpoint [16:42] ahhh [16:42] I see, thanks marcoceppi :) [16:42] jono: can I have multiple accomplishment dependencies now? [16:42] no problem! [16:43] All sorted now marcoceppi , thanks again [16:45] The 2.0 api is super powerful from what I've seen [16:47] ATM our needs are simple, the main thing we wanted was an api key as we may be making several requests without one could be seen as abusive marcoceppi :) [16:48] will it be a 1:1 mapping from accomplishments to badges? [16:48] s-fox: yeah, an API key will get you 10,000 requests a day I believe [16:49] jcastro, i really don't know yet. I suppose start with some basics and work upwards. Of course help would be awesome [16:49] the accomplishments system is all about firsts, so perhaps not all badges would be appropriate [16:49] like if you had one for X gold answers for example [16:51] ^ jcastro [16:51] marcoceppi, i bet that would be okay for now :) [16:51] we don't want to DOS the api, lol [16:52] cprofitt: ping [16:53] s-fox: the API is heavily cached, the throttle point is 30 req/s from an IP. At that point API starts dropping your connections. It also has a back_off field in the response wrapper that, when present, will give you the amount of seconds your app needs to wait before it makes another request to that specific endpoint [16:53] so it'll try to work with you regarding rate limiting [16:54]