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desrtrobert_ancell: arrive 25, depart 202:28
robert_ancelldesrt, me too! snap!02:29
RAOFrobert_ancell: I should have a system-compositor that could be used for some testing in the next couple of days. I'm not entirely sure how to go about testing it, though.02:38
robert_ancellRAOF, we get it into main and have it optionally enabled from lightdm02:44
robert_ancelland then find victims, er I mean willing testers02:44
RAOFI was hoping for something slightly less total :()02:45
robert_ancellRAOF, well, why not?  I guess we could PPA the system compositor part and then still have support in lightdm02:45
RAOFI guess I need to develop a testing dm harness, basically.02:45
robert_ancelloh, I see02:45
robert_ancellyou'd need to simulate the kernel interfaces for that right?02:46
RAOFNot really, no; it could be run under X11.02:47
RAOFAt least, the system compositor part of it can be. The dm needs to be a singleton, so there's fun interaction between the testing dm and the *actual* dm.02:47
RAOFBut the interface between system-compositor and dm should be able to be tested under an existing user session.02:48
robert_ancellwhen does the compositor contact the dm?02:48
RAOFWhen interesting stuff happens - namely, when clients are ready to switch to.02:49
robert_ancellisn't the dm just the thing that ran the compositor from it's point of view02:49
RAOFRight, but the dm needs to talk to the compositor to do all its dm bits - handing off client fds, switching between user sessions, etc.02:49
RAOFAlso, why doesn't C have a bulit-in hashtable type.02:50
RAOFStupid primitive language :/02:50
robert_ancellSo you have to write a stub dm right?02:52
RAOFYeah, that's what I'm thinking.02:52
RAOFI was just talking myself into it.02:53
robert_ancellRAOF, where is the repo?02:53
RAOFIt's on github on the basis that I have a github account and weston's in git. https://github.com/RAOF/weston ; it's not yet in a state to do anything interesting. I need to finish off a bit of the init work, then fold up patches in a more sensible order, then there'll be something to test.02:55
lifelessis there a code import for it ? :)02:55
robert_ancellRAOF, so will it be the weston package or will we fork and cut down and make "unity-system-compositor"02:56
RAOFlifeless: Not yet, no. I'll wait until it's at least marginally useful ;)02:56
RAOFrobert_ancell: At this point I think it can be a part of the weston package.02:56
RAOFrobert_ancell: That's how I'm developing it, and I haven't any hit serious roadblocks yet.02:57
RAOFIt'll also be easy to fork weston and strip out the non-system-compositor bits if it turns out that we need to.02:58
robert_ancellRAOF, so it will be flexible in terms of supporting multiple transitions and upstream will be happy to take the changes?02:58
RAOFYes, and I believe so.02:59
RAOFThe transitions should all be handleable strictly within the system-compositor plugin, or we could do something slightly more annoying like pluggable transitions. Either way, weston already has a reasonably nice way to get the compositor to animate stuff.03:00
lifelessRAOF: do you know how I can get my middle trackpad button back?03:28
lifelessRAOF: so that paste is immediate, not 2 seconds later03:28
RAOFIt is immediate here...03:29
lifeless><03:29
RAOFYou're talking about a real third button, right?03:29
lifelessyes, x201s03:29
lifelessthree buttons, pad, two buttons top to bottom03:29
lifelessRAOF: if I chord on the bottom two, its instant03:30
RAOFUrgh.03:30
RAOFUm...03:30
lifelessI'm guessing its the 'you can scroll with this button' ''feature''03:30
RAOFSo, the answer to your question is "I don't know"03:30
RAOFI don't see why that would be the case; you've already finished the tap, which means you can't possibly want to scroll with it.03:31
RAOFProbably just a garden-variety bug.03:31
pittiGood morning03:40
didrocksgood morning05:29
pittibonjour didrocks, ca va?05:30
didrocksguten morgen pitti! I'm great, thanks, and you?05:30
didrockslong week-end with the whole family in Lyon, was nice :)05:30
pittididrocks: we went to visit some friends for three days, returned yesterday05:45
pittitoo much beer and too little sleep, but we really enjoyed it :)05:45
Sweetsharkmoin.07:38
pittihey Sweetshark, how are you?07:41
Sweetsharkbetter than yesterday. had a circulatory collapse in the gym ....07:46
pittiurgh07:51
RAOFOooh. Going too hard?07:53
Sweetsharkyeah, likely just undersugared and underhydrated in a sultry warm climate.08:00
Sweetsharktaking it slow today - the medics wanted to confiscate my bike so that I dont try to ride home ;)08:01
RAOFThe sultry warm climate of northern Europe? What's going on up there?!08:01
SweetsharkRAOF: well, not climate -- weather.08:02
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:02
RAOFHey ho chrisccoulson08:02
chrisccoulsonhi RAOF!08:03
SweetsharkRAOF: its all relative. We northern europeans are weenies wrt that ;)08:03
didrockshey chrisccoulson, Sweetshark, RAOF :)08:04
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks, how are you?08:04
chrisccoulsonhi Sweetshark!08:04
didrocksI'm fine thanks chrisccoulson, yourself?08:04
didrocksalready mostly setup my new laptop yesterday evening. Finishing the install to be up to work :)08:05
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: congrats to the 15 killed kilograms. arent you brits supposed to use funny units of measure?08:08
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, yeah, but 15kg is better than 33lb 1.2oz :)08:08
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: ;)08:09
* Sweetshark updated his release devbuilder too over the weekend. now the quadcore i7 with 16 GB RAM has a 512GB SSD. Also makes the notebook lighter although you wouldnt notice before removing the power pack (which I usually do when not travelling).08:11
chrisccoulsoni think my next machine is going to have to have 16GB of RAM08:15
didrockschrisccoulson: oh btw, what was the option again to have a global thunderbird setting of "check in all imap folders"?08:21
didrocksI'm under the impression that it's not needed anymore, isn't it?08:33
didrocksor that it's on by default?08:33
seb128hey didrocks, what is not needed?08:37
larsudidrocks, it's mail.server.default.check_all_folders_for_new. it was off by default for me08:42
larsuit should really be on by default08:43
seb128is that the "actively refresh all subfolders"?08:44
seb128larsu, hey ;-)08:44
larsuseb128, hey!08:44
larsuyes, that's it08:44
seb128they were discussing making it default during the oneiric cycle I think, dunno if that happened08:45
didrockshey seb128 ;)08:52
didrocksgood morning larsu08:52
larsuhey didrocks, had a nice weekend?08:52
didrockslarsu: yeah, nice week-end with the family, thanks! Also got my new laptop so, finishing the setup I started yesterday evening :)08:52
didrocksseems I don't have notification on weechat yet ;)08:53
larsudidrocks, nice!08:53
didrockslarsu: and yourself?08:53
larsudidrocks, very nice also, went to a ropes course yesterday with friends. loads of fun08:54
didrocksgreat ;)08:54
chrisccoulsondidrocks, will have a look in a bit. trying to get to the bottom of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754554 first ;)08:56
ubot2Mozilla bug 754554 in JavaScript Engine "Various JIT test failures related to FloatArrays when compiled with gcc 4.7" [Normal,New: ]08:56
chrisccoulsonso i can play angry birds again!08:56
didrockschrisccoulson: larsu gave me the url already :)08:57
didrocksweird, the boolean is set to false, but I get randomly some new emails in *some* folders without clicking on them08:58
didrocksthe heuristic is weird08:58
ritzchrisccoulson, morning :)09:12
ritzgood to hear about angry bird09:12
ritzchrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1000885 :(09:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 1000885 in firefox "ff crashes on xslt transformation when using oracle java plugin" [Critical,New]09:15
seb128pitti, bug #1004992 ... are you still interested in floppy mounting issues? :-)09:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1004992 in gvfs "Does not detect hotplugged storage device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100499209:46
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pittiseb128: "still"? I have never been :)09:46
seb128hehe09:47
seb128pitti, it had been a while that we didn't get a bug about floppy, I though they finally stopped being used09:48
seb128pitti, but seems not totally yet ;-)09:48
pittiit might actually be slightly better with udisks2 now09:48
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seb128pitti, speaking about udisk2, did you see bug #100564310:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 1005643 in policykit-desktop-privileges "Internal volumes are now requiring authenication to mount, or unmount " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100564310:29
pittiseb128: ah, thanks; will fix10:29
seb128pitti, danke10:29
tjaaltoni have a pdf file thunderbird thinks is a truetype font, but 'file' & nautilus both recognize as valid pdf11:06
tjaaltonbut since it's my paycheck I'd rather not share it :)11:08
seb128tjaalton, is it attached to an email?11:09
tjaaltonseb128: yep11:09
seb128tjaalton, look at the email source? is there a mimetype in the source?11:10
tjaaltonseb128: hah, good point. it's faulty11:11
tjaaltonso, sender issue11:11
tjaaltonthis was an old email anyway, hasn't happened twice11:12
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seb128tjaalton, ok11:13
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desrthappy tuesday!12:43
ogra_heh12:43
ogra_to you too12:43
bcurtiswxgood morning13:04
mterrypitti, where can I see submitted crash reports and make a bug out of them?  If I'm reading the code right, they get auto-sent to daisy.u.c now with the new apport.  I can't see my crash in errors.u.c.13:08
pittimterry: good morning13:09
mterrypitti, (good morning! :))13:09
pittimterry: that's a question for ev, but it should be visible on errors.u.c. somewhere13:09
mterrypitti, OK, thanks13:09
pittimterry: you can also re-enable sending to LP in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf if you want13:09
pittimterry: comment out the line with 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package'],13:10
mterrypitti, or add Crash, I believe13:11
pitti*nod*13:11
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larsduesingAm I here right for questions with apport?13:18
larsduesingdevel-questions13:18
bcurtiswxgood morning kenvandine, gwibber issue (not sure if bug or feature request) but when I get new messages (shown on the unity launcher count) and click into the program, it doesn't get rid of the number, I have to click on either the envolope or the home icons to turn it off..13:20
bcurtiswxkenvandine, well i keep forgetting you have a channel for gwibber, so I'll continue over there :)13:22
seb128larsduesing, you can ask there or on #ubuntu-devel13:23
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ritzchrisccoulson, ping13:43
seb128is anyone on precise using proposed who could ack that software-center 5.2.2.1 still works fine for them on bug #1002271?13:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 1002271 in software-center "REGRESSION: crash in cell renderer" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100227113:56
desrtseb128: any areas in particular to check?14:00
seb128desrt, not especiall, browse a bit around, maybe install something14:01
desrtohhh.  software centre14:01
* desrt read control centre14:01
desrtoo.  gparted.  that sounds nice!14:02
* desrt installs14:02
seb128;-)14:02
seb128desrt, hey btw, happy tuesday! ;-)14:03
desrtthanks :D14:03
desrtour categorisation in the software centre is some kind of a disaster14:03
seb128desrt, isn't what everyone says about any categorisation? :p14:04
seb128desrt, I was ready a bug from an user some days ago complaining about music categorization is a disaster as well :p14:04
desrtseb128: so i go to developer tools14:06
desrtone of the toplevel items is haskell14:06
desrtseems a bit weird, but whatever.. haskell is cool14:06
desrti click on haskell and there is a single item in there14:06
desrtand it's not obviously related to haskell14:06
desrt'threadscope'14:06
seb128yeah, "lisp" is the same14:07
seb128mpt, ^ hey, is that a known design issue?14:08
seb128"libraries" is the same, over 3k technical items hidden, 1 visible entry14:08
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mitya57didrocks: hey, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/compizconfig-settings-manager/sync-with-debian/+merge/107786 ?14:36
mitya57(it's part of our efforts to get rid of python-central)14:36
didrocksmitya57: hey, in fact, all compiz packaging is changing as upstream is going with one source only14:37
didrocksmitya57: I already have some working package that I'm just finishing (adding distro patches back right now)14:37
didrocksmitya57: and it doesn't use python-central anymore14:37
mitya57didrocks: really? I heard only of compiz + compiz-core + compiz-plugins* merging14:38
didrocksmitya57: everything, with python-compizconfig and ccsm14:38
didrocks(look at lp:compiz, which is compiz upstream trunk)14:38
mitya57didrocks: ok, you may still grab some bits from my branch (like the manpage, working d/watch, etc)14:40
didrocksmitya57: do you want to contribute to it? I think you can cherry-pick some work and apply to the new branch?14:40
didrocksmitya57: the new branch should be ready in really just 30 minutes, I'm finishing building using trunk and applying latest distro patches. If you are interested, I can poke you then :)14:41
mitya57didrocks: my primary interest was python helper things and I don't use compiz myself so I don't think I'm interested in this14:42
mitya57:(14:42
didrocksmitya57: ok, sorry for that, you should have poke me first to ensure about what changes in the packaging (but it was a long week-end and I was way…). I'll see what I can pick from here. thanks!14:43
didrocks(rejecting the branch for now)14:43
mitya57didrocks: I've just deleted the mp14:44
didrocksmitya57: ah, and I was juts blaming launchpad ;)14:44
mitya57:)14:45
didrocksmitya57: it would have help me though to see if we can pick the manpage for instance14:45
didrocksI'll use the branch, no worry :)14:45
mitya57didrocks: thanks14:45
mitya57dobey: hi15:02
dobeyhi?15:02
mitya57did you manage to port  python-oauth to py3k?15:02
dobeyyes, somewhat15:02
mitya57are you going to provide a distro-patch for that or contact upstream?15:03
dobeythere is no upstream, and i have provided a distro-patch for it, but it seems to still have a bug or 3015:03
mitya57can you please include a patch from http://code.google.com/p/oauth/issues/detail?id=64 if you'l' be going to perform a new upload?15:04
mitya57(I'm maintainer of python-gdata and it needs this patch)15:04
dobeyi'm not performing an upoad of it15:04
barrydobey: i should get back to testing your branch in the next day or so15:04
mitya57barry, dobey: pygdata currently includes a bundled version of15:05
mitya57oauth with some fixes (http://paste.debian.net/171749/),15:06
dobeyyou shouldn't do that15:06
mitya57if at least the fix for upstream #64 will be merged, this will allow me to use the external version instead of the bundled one15:06
mitya57see also http://bugs.debian.org/61942815:07
dobeythat patch looks very broken15:07
mitya57do you mean the changed class name?15:08
seb128chrisccoulson, was is "aurora" for firefox?15:09
dobeymitya57: i mean PLAINTEXT != RSA_SHA115:09
mitya57hm, yes, it's quite broken15:10
* mitya57 will now look at python-gdata's version and see what has been done there15:11
dobeyso no, we won't ship that patch in debian15:11
dobeymitya57: you almost certainly don't want to use python-oauth if you can avoid it15:12
mitya57dobey: google ships an old and buggy version and doesn't worry about that :(15:13
mitya57dobey: ok, if it's all about debian patches, I can perform a team upload myself when I'll sort out how it should be fixed15:14
dobeygoogle ships?15:15
mitya57python-gdata is a google's project :)15:15
jbichakenvandine: could you do another light-themes release? there's some nice fixes for GNOME Classic in bzr15:18
dobeymitya57: you should get google to fix their code then15:20
kenvandinejbicha, i can look15:21
mitya57dobey: they don't like to respond to bugs/patches, unfortunately15:21
mitya57kenvandine, jbicha: it'll be also good to have this SRUed15:22
dobeymitya57: then there isn't much you can do. drop it from the archive maybe :)15:24
dobeymitya57: btw, their "CHANGES.txt" file lists a few "support for python 2.2" items, which is quite scary15:24
mitya57dobey: drop python-gdata? it has some 10 reverse dependencies15:25
dobeyclean archive is a happy archive? :)15:25
mitya57dobey: ... and some 38009 users according to popcon :)15:26
dobeymaybe they'd be happy to take it over from google then?15:26
dobeysomeone needs to fix it. and that someone is not me15:27
mitya57dobey: in the worst case I can leave it as is15:27
mitya57which is not bad at all15:28
dobeyanyway, need to get food15:30
seb128re15:30
seb128didrocks, pitti, kenvandine, mterry, chrisccoulson, mlankhorst, Sweetshark, tkamppeter: it's meeting if anyone had an agenda or something to discuss15:31
seb128(seems not from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-29)15:31
kenvandinenothing from me15:31
mterrynothing from me15:31
didrocksnothing as well15:31
seb128Ursinha, Laney, cyphermox, whoever else I forget ;-) : ^15:32
cyphermoxnothing to add ;)15:32
mitya57have to quit now15:33
seb128ok, seems no meeting then, thanks all ;-)15:43
Laneyis this our last pitti meeting?15:44
pittiif we would have had one, yes :)15:44
pittibut I won't drop off IRC next week15:44
* Laney gives you the goodbye bumps :-)15:44
Laney:P15:44
pittithanks! *bow*15:45
pittidon't make seb128's life too hard!15:45
seb128;-)15:45
seb128pitti, I will not say that we will miss you since you are not going anywhere far but still we will do miss you in some ways ;-)15:46
mlankhorstseb128: nothing for the agenda :)15:47
* pitti hugs everyone15:51
* bcurtiswx hugs pitti back15:58
bcurtiswxwhere you goin' ?15:58
pittibcurtiswx: not that far, I'll move to the QA team to do upstream QA technology/test suites15:59
pittibcurtiswx: http://www.piware.de/2012/05/to-boldly-go-where-no-test-has-gone-before/15:59
bcurtiswxpitti, good luck there :) you'll be missed16:00
mlankhorstpitty is putting the Q in QA *runs*16:04
pitti:)16:07
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aquariushow do I create a launcher (that is, a .desktop file, not the Unity launcher :)) for a script, without typing it in by hand? Many moons ago you used to be able to right-click the desktop and say "create launcher", but that doesn't work any more (because nautilus doesn't run the desktop, and because the launcher creation tool is part of gnome-panel, which is not installed)16:24
aquariusthe only ways I can find to do it are (a) create it by hand in gedit or (b) run the thing I want to launch, pin it to the Unity Launcher, then dig around in ~/.local/share/applications to find the desktop file and copy it somewhere else :)16:25
seb128aquarius, the idea was to use something like https://launchpad.net/unity-launcher-editor but I don't think that project is actively worked on or got anywhere, so either of the ways you listed are the current solutions16:26
aquariusseb128, ah, OK. Just wanted to check there wasn't some hugely obvious way that I was missing :)16:27
seb128aquarius, no, creating custom launcher is not something high on the design list, I guess most users don't do that, they just run things they install which provide a launcher16:27
aquariusseb128, oh, definitely. This is so I can run a bunch of scripts without getting the "this is an executable script; do you want to edit it, run it, or run it in the terminal" when I *know* it's an app I want to run16:28
aquariusnot a massively common use case, so if it's not doable easily, I'm fine with that :)16:28
pittigood night everyone!16:57
didrockshave a good night pitti!16:57
* didrocks will follow shortly16:57
didrockstime for exercising, see you tomorrow everyone!17:06
mterrytremolux, is there a way to make software-center think it's in a different distro release?  So that it will look at precise's paid-apps and such?17:25
tremoluxmterry: heyo!! yes, there is, just use SOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME="precise" software-center17:26
mterrytremolux, fancy!17:26
tremoluxmterry: that will get you the precise banners as well17:26
tremoluxmterry: :D17:26
mterrytremolux, do you know that it seems to be broken in quantal about "set_data" errors?17:27
mterrytremolux, (software-center in general, not just with your trick you just showed me)17:27
tremoluxmterry: give it a minute after startup for the caches to get updated (we have some delayed processes to optimize startup time)17:27
tremoluxmterry: yes, that's bug 1000238, super-unfortunate17:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 1000238 in software-center "Software-Center crashes on starting" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100023817:27
mterrycool17:28
tremoluxmterry: as it's just a one-liner that needs to be removed from an old workaround that's not needed anymore :/17:28
tremoluxmterry: mvo is out today, but I have a note in that we need to get this released asap17:29
florida- if a  laptop has a battery runtime of 3 hours. what would be at sleep. roughly? and can anyone tell what parts are active at sleep mode?17:30
tkamppeterronoc, hi18:43
seb128micahg, hey, how is the firefox 13 testing going? did you have time yet to do a test run on the current candidate?19:29
seb128jbicha, hey, just as a warning you might want to update your clutter SRU19:29
seb128jbicha, the mandate now the details listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates (impact, dev fix, regression potential etc)19:30
jbichaseb128: I don't really have a test case and I didn't think that all of that was needed for GNOME point releases19:39
seb128jbicha, well, they started being stricter on that19:40
seb128jbicha, also packaging changes are usually not very welcome in a SRU19:40
seb128jbicha, like that SRU is a merge on Debian which adds extra diff which is not required in precise19:41
seb128jbicha, that always carries extra chances to create issues19:41
seb128but let's see what they say about that, I'm not in the SRU team19:41
dobeyseb128: what's with that new mandating btw? :-/19:48
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i'm not going to be popular with jo tomorrow21:09
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jasoncwarner_hey robert_ancell TheMuso bryceh and RAOF could you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-29 and make sure any agenda items are there?22:55
robert_ancellno items from me22:56
TheMusoDone, and no agenda items from me.22:56
jasoncwarner_thanks robert_ancell and TheMuso22:56
jasoncwarner_and, good morning22:56
RAOFGood morning!  No agenda items from me.22:56
* bryceh waves22:59
brycehnone from me either22:59

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