[02:28] robert_ancell: arrive 25, depart 2 [02:29] desrt, me too! snap! [02:38] robert_ancell: I should have a system-compositor that could be used for some testing in the next couple of days. I'm not entirely sure how to go about testing it, though. [02:44] RAOF, we get it into main and have it optionally enabled from lightdm [02:44] and then find victims, er I mean willing testers [02:45] I was hoping for something slightly less total :() [02:45] RAOF, well, why not? I guess we could PPA the system compositor part and then still have support in lightdm [02:45] I guess I need to develop a testing dm harness, basically. [02:45] oh, I see [02:46] you'd need to simulate the kernel interfaces for that right? [02:47] Not really, no; it could be run under X11. [02:47] At least, the system compositor part of it can be. The dm needs to be a singleton, so there's fun interaction between the testing dm and the *actual* dm. [02:48] But the interface between system-compositor and dm should be able to be tested under an existing user session. [02:48] when does the compositor contact the dm? [02:49] When interesting stuff happens - namely, when clients are ready to switch to. [02:49] isn't the dm just the thing that ran the compositor from it's point of view [02:49] Right, but the dm needs to talk to the compositor to do all its dm bits - handing off client fds, switching between user sessions, etc. [02:50] Also, why doesn't C have a bulit-in hashtable type. [02:50] Stupid primitive language :/ [02:52] So you have to write a stub dm right? [02:52] Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. [02:53] I was just talking myself into it. [02:53] RAOF, where is the repo? [02:55] It's on github on the basis that I have a github account and weston's in git. https://github.com/RAOF/weston ; it's not yet in a state to do anything interesting. I need to finish off a bit of the init work, then fold up patches in a more sensible order, then there'll be something to test. [02:55] is there a code import for it ? :) [02:56] RAOF, so will it be the weston package or will we fork and cut down and make "unity-system-compositor" [02:56] lifeless: Not yet, no. I'll wait until it's at least marginally useful ;) [02:56] robert_ancell: At this point I think it can be a part of the weston package. [02:57] robert_ancell: That's how I'm developing it, and I haven't any hit serious roadblocks yet. [02:58] It'll also be easy to fork weston and strip out the non-system-compositor bits if it turns out that we need to. [02:58] RAOF, so it will be flexible in terms of supporting multiple transitions and upstream will be happy to take the changes? [02:59] Yes, and I believe so. [03:00] The transitions should all be handleable strictly within the system-compositor plugin, or we could do something slightly more annoying like pluggable transitions. Either way, weston already has a reasonably nice way to get the compositor to animate stuff. [03:28] RAOF: do you know how I can get my middle trackpad button back? [03:28] RAOF: so that paste is immediate, not 2 seconds later [03:29] It is immediate here... [03:29] >< [03:29] You're talking about a real third button, right? [03:29] yes, x201s [03:29] three buttons, pad, two buttons top to bottom [03:30] RAOF: if I chord on the bottom two, its instant [03:30] Urgh. [03:30] Um... [03:30] I'm guessing its the 'you can scroll with this button' ''feature'' [03:30] So, the answer to your question is "I don't know" [03:31] I don't see why that would be the case; you've already finished the tap, which means you can't possibly want to scroll with it. [03:31] Probably just a garden-variety bug. [03:40] Good morning [05:29] good morning [05:30] bonjour didrocks, ca va? [05:30] guten morgen pitti! I'm great, thanks, and you? [05:30] long week-end with the whole family in Lyon, was nice :) [05:45] didrocks: we went to visit some friends for three days, returned yesterday [05:45] too much beer and too little sleep, but we really enjoyed it :) [07:38] moin. [07:41] hey Sweetshark, how are you? [07:46] better than yesterday. had a circulatory collapse in the gym .... [07:51] urgh [07:53] Oooh. Going too hard? [08:00] yeah, likely just undersugared and underhydrated in a sultry warm climate. [08:01] taking it slow today - the medics wanted to confiscate my bike so that I dont try to ride home ;) [08:01] The sultry warm climate of northern Europe? What's going on up there?! [08:02] RAOF: well, not climate -- weather. [08:02] good morning everyone [08:02] Hey ho chrisccoulson [08:03] hi RAOF! [08:03] RAOF: its all relative. We northern europeans are weenies wrt that ;) [08:04] hey chrisccoulson, Sweetshark, RAOF :) [08:04] hey didrocks, how are you? [08:04] hi Sweetshark! [08:04] I'm fine thanks chrisccoulson, yourself? [08:05] already mostly setup my new laptop yesterday evening. Finishing the install to be up to work :) [08:08] chrisccoulson: congrats to the 15 killed kilograms. arent you brits supposed to use funny units of measure? [08:08] Sweetshark, yeah, but 15kg is better than 33lb 1.2oz :) [08:09] chrisccoulson: ;) [08:11] * Sweetshark updated his release devbuilder too over the weekend. now the quadcore i7 with 16 GB RAM has a 512GB SSD. Also makes the notebook lighter although you wouldnt notice before removing the power pack (which I usually do when not travelling). [08:15] i think my next machine is going to have to have 16GB of RAM [08:21] chrisccoulson: oh btw, what was the option again to have a global thunderbird setting of "check in all imap folders"? [08:33] I'm under the impression that it's not needed anymore, isn't it? [08:33] or that it's on by default? [08:37] hey didrocks, what is not needed? [08:42] didrocks, it's mail.server.default.check_all_folders_for_new. it was off by default for me [08:43] it should really be on by default [08:44] is that the "actively refresh all subfolders"? [08:44] larsu, hey ;-) [08:44] seb128, hey! [08:44] yes, that's it [08:45] they were discussing making it default during the oneiric cycle I think, dunno if that happened [08:52] hey seb128 ;) [08:52] good morning larsu [08:52] hey didrocks, had a nice weekend? [08:52] larsu: yeah, nice week-end with the family, thanks! Also got my new laptop so, finishing the setup I started yesterday evening :) [08:53] seems I don't have notification on weechat yet ;) [08:53] didrocks, nice! [08:53] larsu: and yourself? [08:54] didrocks, very nice also, went to a ropes course yesterday with friends. loads of fun [08:54] great ;) [08:56] didrocks, will have a look in a bit. trying to get to the bottom of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754554 first ;) [08:56] Mozilla bug 754554 in JavaScript Engine "Various JIT test failures related to FloatArrays when compiled with gcc 4.7" [Normal,New: ] [08:56] so i can play angry birds again! [08:57] chrisccoulson: larsu gave me the url already :) [08:58] weird, the boolean is set to false, but I get randomly some new emails in *some* folders without clicking on them [08:58] the heuristic is weird [09:12] chrisccoulson, morning :) [09:12] good to hear about angry bird [09:15] chrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1000885 :( [09:15] Launchpad bug 1000885 in firefox "ff crashes on xslt transformation when using oracle java plugin" [Critical,New] [09:46] pitti, bug #1004992 ... are you still interested in floppy mounting issues? :-) [09:46] Launchpad bug 1004992 in gvfs "Does not detect hotplugged storage device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004992 [09:46] * seb128 hides [09:46] seb128: "still"? I have never been :) [09:47] hehe [09:48] pitti, it had been a while that we didn't get a bug about floppy, I though they finally stopped being used [09:48] pitti, but seems not totally yet ;-) [09:48] it might actually be slightly better with udisks2 now === JanC_ is now known as JanC [10:29] pitti, speaking about udisk2, did you see bug #1005643 [10:29] Launchpad bug 1005643 in policykit-desktop-privileges "Internal volumes are now requiring authenication to mount, or unmount " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005643 [10:29] seb128: ah, thanks; will fix [10:29] pitti, danke [11:06] i have a pdf file thunderbird thinks is a truetype font, but 'file' & nautilus both recognize as valid pdf [11:08] but since it's my paycheck I'd rather not share it :) [11:09] tjaalton, is it attached to an email? [11:09] seb128: yep [11:10] tjaalton, look at the email source? is there a mimetype in the source? [11:11] seb128: hah, good point. it's faulty [11:11] so, sender issue [11:12] this was an old email anyway, hasn't happened twice === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [11:13] tjaalton, ok === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === Guest55695 is now known as Pici === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:43] happy tuesday! [12:43] heh [12:43] to you too [13:04] good morning [13:08] pitti, where can I see submitted crash reports and make a bug out of them? If I'm reading the code right, they get auto-sent to daisy.u.c now with the new apport. I can't see my crash in errors.u.c. [13:09] mterry: good morning [13:09] pitti, (good morning! :)) [13:09] mterry: that's a question for ev, but it should be visible on errors.u.c. somewhere [13:09] pitti, OK, thanks [13:09] mterry: you can also re-enable sending to LP in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf if you want [13:10] mterry: comment out the line with 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package'], [13:11] pitti, or add Crash, I believe [13:11] *nod* === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [13:18] Am I here right for questions with apport? [13:18] devel-questions [13:20] good morning kenvandine, gwibber issue (not sure if bug or feature request) but when I get new messages (shown on the unity launcher count) and click into the program, it doesn't get rid of the number, I have to click on either the envolope or the home icons to turn it off.. [13:22] kenvandine, well i keep forgetting you have a channel for gwibber, so I'll continue over there :) [13:23] larsduesing, you can ask there or on #ubuntu-devel === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:43] chrisccoulson, ping [13:56] is anyone on precise using proposed who could ack that software-center 5.2.2.1 still works fine for them on bug #1002271? [13:56] Launchpad bug 1002271 in software-center "REGRESSION: crash in cell renderer" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002271 [14:00] seb128: any areas in particular to check? [14:01] desrt, not especiall, browse a bit around, maybe install something [14:01] ohhh. software centre [14:01] * desrt read control centre [14:02] oo. gparted. that sounds nice! [14:02] * desrt installs [14:02] ;-) [14:03] desrt, hey btw, happy tuesday! ;-) [14:03] thanks :D [14:03] our categorisation in the software centre is some kind of a disaster [14:04] desrt, isn't what everyone says about any categorisation? :p [14:04] desrt, I was ready a bug from an user some days ago complaining about music categorization is a disaster as well :p [14:06] seb128: so i go to developer tools [14:06] one of the toplevel items is haskell [14:06] seems a bit weird, but whatever.. haskell is cool [14:06] i click on haskell and there is a single item in there [14:06] and it's not obviously related to haskell [14:06] 'threadscope' [14:07] yeah, "lisp" is the same [14:08] mpt, ^ hey, is that a known design issue? [14:08] "libraries" is the same, over 3k technical items hidden, 1 visible entry === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [14:36] didrocks: hey, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/compizconfig-settings-manager/sync-with-debian/+merge/107786 ? [14:36] (it's part of our efforts to get rid of python-central) [14:37] mitya57: hey, in fact, all compiz packaging is changing as upstream is going with one source only [14:37] mitya57: I already have some working package that I'm just finishing (adding distro patches back right now) [14:37] mitya57: and it doesn't use python-central anymore [14:38] didrocks: really? I heard only of compiz + compiz-core + compiz-plugins* merging [14:38] mitya57: everything, with python-compizconfig and ccsm [14:38] (look at lp:compiz, which is compiz upstream trunk) [14:40] didrocks: ok, you may still grab some bits from my branch (like the manpage, working d/watch, etc) [14:40] mitya57: do you want to contribute to it? I think you can cherry-pick some work and apply to the new branch? [14:41] mitya57: the new branch should be ready in really just 30 minutes, I'm finishing building using trunk and applying latest distro patches. If you are interested, I can poke you then :) [14:42] didrocks: my primary interest was python helper things and I don't use compiz myself so I don't think I'm interested in this [14:42] :( [14:43] mitya57: ok, sorry for that, you should have poke me first to ensure about what changes in the packaging (but it was a long week-end and I was way…). I'll see what I can pick from here. thanks! [14:43] (rejecting the branch for now) [14:44] didrocks: I've just deleted the mp [14:44] mitya57: ah, and I was juts blaming launchpad ;) [14:45] :) [14:45] mitya57: it would have help me though to see if we can pick the manpage for instance [14:45] I'll use the branch, no worry :) [14:45] didrocks: thanks [15:02] dobey: hi [15:02] hi? [15:02] did you manage to port python-oauth to py3k? [15:02] yes, somewhat [15:03] are you going to provide a distro-patch for that or contact upstream? [15:03] there is no upstream, and i have provided a distro-patch for it, but it seems to still have a bug or 30 [15:04] can you please include a patch from http://code.google.com/p/oauth/issues/detail?id=64 if you'l' be going to perform a new upload? [15:04] (I'm maintainer of python-gdata and it needs this patch) [15:04] i'm not performing an upoad of it [15:04] dobey: i should get back to testing your branch in the next day or so [15:05] barry, dobey: pygdata currently includes a bundled version of [15:06] oauth with some fixes (http://paste.debian.net/171749/), [15:06] you shouldn't do that [15:06] if at least the fix for upstream #64 will be merged, this will allow me to use the external version instead of the bundled one [15:07] see also http://bugs.debian.org/619428 [15:07] that patch looks very broken [15:08] do you mean the changed class name? [15:09] chrisccoulson, was is "aurora" for firefox? [15:09] mitya57: i mean PLAINTEXT != RSA_SHA1 [15:10] hm, yes, it's quite broken [15:11] * mitya57 will now look at python-gdata's version and see what has been done there [15:11] so no, we won't ship that patch in debian [15:12] mitya57: you almost certainly don't want to use python-oauth if you can avoid it [15:13] dobey: google ships an old and buggy version and doesn't worry about that :( [15:14] dobey: ok, if it's all about debian patches, I can perform a team upload myself when I'll sort out how it should be fixed [15:15] google ships? [15:15] python-gdata is a google's project :) [15:18] kenvandine: could you do another light-themes release? there's some nice fixes for GNOME Classic in bzr [15:20] mitya57: you should get google to fix their code then [15:21] jbicha, i can look [15:21] dobey: they don't like to respond to bugs/patches, unfortunately [15:22] kenvandine, jbicha: it'll be also good to have this SRUed [15:24] mitya57: then there isn't much you can do. drop it from the archive maybe :) [15:24] mitya57: btw, their "CHANGES.txt" file lists a few "support for python 2.2" items, which is quite scary [15:25] dobey: drop python-gdata? it has some 10 reverse dependencies [15:25] clean archive is a happy archive? :) [15:26] dobey: ... and some 38009 users according to popcon :) [15:26] maybe they'd be happy to take it over from google then? [15:27] someone needs to fix it. and that someone is not me [15:27] dobey: in the worst case I can leave it as is [15:28] which is not bad at all [15:30] anyway, need to get food [15:30] re [15:31] didrocks, pitti, kenvandine, mterry, chrisccoulson, mlankhorst, Sweetshark, tkamppeter: it's meeting if anyone had an agenda or something to discuss [15:31] (seems not from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-29) [15:31] nothing from me [15:31] nothing from me [15:31] nothing as well [15:32] Ursinha, Laney, cyphermox, whoever else I forget ;-) : ^ [15:32] nothing to add ;) [15:33] have to quit now [15:43] ok, seems no meeting then, thanks all ;-) [15:44] is this our last pitti meeting? [15:44] if we would have had one, yes :) [15:44] but I won't drop off IRC next week [15:44] * Laney gives you the goodbye bumps :-) [15:44] :P [15:45] thanks! *bow* [15:45] don't make seb128's life too hard! [15:45] ;-) [15:46] pitti, I will not say that we will miss you since you are not going anywhere far but still we will do miss you in some ways ;-) [15:47] seb128: nothing for the agenda :) [15:51] * pitti hugs everyone [15:58] * bcurtiswx hugs pitti back [15:58] where you goin' ? [15:59] bcurtiswx: not that far, I'll move to the QA team to do upstream QA technology/test suites [15:59] bcurtiswx: http://www.piware.de/2012/05/to-boldly-go-where-no-test-has-gone-before/ [16:00] pitti, good luck there :) you'll be missed [16:04] pitty is putting the Q in QA *runs* [16:07] :) === eeejay` is now known as eeejay [16:24] how do I create a launcher (that is, a .desktop file, not the Unity launcher :)) for a script, without typing it in by hand? Many moons ago you used to be able to right-click the desktop and say "create launcher", but that doesn't work any more (because nautilus doesn't run the desktop, and because the launcher creation tool is part of gnome-panel, which is not installed) [16:25] the only ways I can find to do it are (a) create it by hand in gedit or (b) run the thing I want to launch, pin it to the Unity Launcher, then dig around in ~/.local/share/applications to find the desktop file and copy it somewhere else :) [16:26] aquarius, the idea was to use something like https://launchpad.net/unity-launcher-editor but I don't think that project is actively worked on or got anywhere, so either of the ways you listed are the current solutions [16:27] seb128, ah, OK. Just wanted to check there wasn't some hugely obvious way that I was missing :) [16:27] aquarius, no, creating custom launcher is not something high on the design list, I guess most users don't do that, they just run things they install which provide a launcher [16:28] seb128, oh, definitely. This is so I can run a bunch of scripts without getting the "this is an executable script; do you want to edit it, run it, or run it in the terminal" when I *know* it's an app I want to run [16:28] not a massively common use case, so if it's not doable easily, I'm fine with that :) [16:57] good night everyone! [16:57] have a good night pitti! [16:57] * didrocks will follow shortly [17:06] time for exercising, see you tomorrow everyone! [17:25] tremolux, is there a way to make software-center think it's in a different distro release? So that it will look at precise's paid-apps and such? [17:26] mterry: heyo!! yes, there is, just use SOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME="precise" software-center [17:26] tremolux, fancy! [17:26] mterry: that will get you the precise banners as well [17:26] mterry: :D [17:27] tremolux, do you know that it seems to be broken in quantal about "set_data" errors? [17:27] tremolux, (software-center in general, not just with your trick you just showed me) [17:27] mterry: give it a minute after startup for the caches to get updated (we have some delayed processes to optimize startup time) [17:27] mterry: yes, that's bug 1000238, super-unfortunate [17:27] Launchpad bug 1000238 in software-center "Software-Center crashes on starting" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000238 [17:28] cool [17:28] mterry: as it's just a one-liner that needs to be removed from an old workaround that's not needed anymore :/ [17:29] mterry: mvo is out today, but I have a note in that we need to get this released asap [17:30] if a laptop has a battery runtime of 3 hours. what would be at sleep. roughly? and can anyone tell what parts are active at sleep mode? [18:43] ronoc, hi [19:29] micahg, hey, how is the firefox 13 testing going? did you have time yet to do a test run on the current candidate? [19:29] jbicha, hey, just as a warning you might want to update your clutter SRU [19:30] jbicha, the mandate now the details listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates (impact, dev fix, regression potential etc) [19:39] seb128: I don't really have a test case and I didn't think that all of that was needed for GNOME point releases [19:40] jbicha, well, they started being stricter on that [19:40] jbicha, also packaging changes are usually not very welcome in a SRU [19:41] jbicha, like that SRU is a merge on Debian which adds extra diff which is not required in precise [19:41] jbicha, that always carries extra chances to create issues [19:41] but let's see what they say about that, I'm not in the SRU team [19:48] seb128: what's with that new mandating btw? :-/ [21:09] hmmm, i'm not going to be popular with jo tomorrow === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:55] hey robert_ancell TheMuso bryceh and RAOF could you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-29 and make sure any agenda items are there? [22:56] no items from me [22:56] Done, and no agenda items from me. [22:56] thanks robert_ancell and TheMuso [22:56] and, good morning [22:56] Good morning! No agenda items from me. [22:59] * bryceh waves [22:59] none from me either