[00:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Things that compile to JavaScript - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/05/29/things-that-compile-to-javascript
[00:08] <shauno> directhex: upboated all the things!  except cats.  I don't get it.
[07:02] <AlanBell> directhex: can you ask Daniel Sor to put a proper license on that bit?
[07:22] <directhex> AlanBell: i've filed a bug upstream about the issue, and they've implied that they're going to try and do that
[07:24] <directhex> they're taking the issue seriously, which is nice
[07:34] <diplo> Morning all
[07:44] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:09] <christel> heya petal :)
[08:15] <czajkowski> christel: hows you darling?
[08:15] <christel> not too shabby
[08:20]  * mattt is a grump today
[08:23] <MooDoo> hi christel czajkowski mattt
[08:26] <christel> HELLO LOVELY
[08:26]  * christel squidges MooDoo and matti 
[08:26] <christel> mattt*
[08:27] <MooDoo> awwww :) christel <3 x
[08:27] <christel> <3
[08:30] <AlanBell> morning christel
[08:30] <AlanBell> and others
[08:31] <diplo> Install Vbox or KVM+VirtManager peeps?
[08:31] <diplo> Thoughts?
[08:31] <AlanBell> diplo: for local stuff?
[08:31] <diplo> yeah
[08:31] <christel> hello AlanBell :)
[08:31] <AlanBell> if you want 3d accellerated guests then virtualbox
[08:31] <diplo> CentOS 4.8 dev work :(
[08:31] <diplo> nah no 3d
[08:31] <AlanBell> if you want to have a setup that is like you might have running on a server then kvm
[08:31] <diplo> just cli, creating new rpm packages for our customers on 4.8 :/
[08:31] <diplo> Ta
[08:32] <AlanBell> virtualbox is easier and gui stuff works better
[08:32] <AlanBell> but kvm is possibly a more useful thing to learn about
[08:32] <diplo> ah I remember I had a pain in my **** with doing the network side of kvm last time
[08:32] <diplo> Oh defo
[08:32] <AlanBell> yeah, it is still a pita
[08:33] <diplo> :(
[08:33] <mattt> morning moodoo, christel :)
[08:33] <AlanBell> nat is easy, but bridging can be challenging
[08:33] <diplo> I'll install both and play I guess, get's me used to them again
[08:33] <AlanBell> christel: you will have to pop in to the office for a cuppa
[08:33] <christel> yes! i must
[08:33] <christel> :D
[08:39] <directhex> bridging is easy
[08:39] <directhex> as long as you have a bridge device :D
[08:41] <diplo> hmm failed to install anyway.. so virt box for now and find out why kvm packages failed later
[08:45] <popey> AlanBell: do you use kvm on your hetzner box?
[08:46] <AlanBell> yes
[08:47] <diplo> sorry desktop locked up there, do you use Virtmanager to connect remotely, or use cli ?
[08:47] <popey> how do you allocate disk space to the VMs?
[08:48] <diplo> lol so report a problem (apport) crashed whilst reporting a problem
[08:48] <diplo> :P
[08:56] <AlanBell> popey: just with virt-manager, most of our VMs don't need much space
[08:56] <popey> AlanBell: i mean, do you use lvm or files for the filesystem of the VMs
[08:56] <AlanBell> and I now let it do the sparce file thing
[08:57] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :)
[08:58] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:58] <AlanBell> popey: they are .img files in /var/lib/libvirt/images and I just stick ext4 on them
[08:58] <Azelphur> my room has officially turned into Logitech all the things \o/
[08:59] <Azelphur> G19, G13, G930, M570 xD
[08:59] <popey> so they're ext4 on top of ext4?
[08:59] <AlanBell> no lvm
[08:59] <AlanBell> yes, etx4 filesystem in a file that is in an ext4 filesystem
[09:00] <AlanBell> which is journaling in journaling I suppose
[09:01] <AlanBell> but seeing as either the guest or the host could have an unplanned shutdown it is probably nice to have journaling on both
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:04] <popey> on lug.org.uk we use LVM on the host and xen presents those to the guests
[09:04] <popey> we're moving lug.org.uk to bitfolk - well, it's moved already
[09:04] <AlanBell> that sounds quite efficent
[09:05] <popey> has worked for us for $years
[09:06] <Azelphur> hmm that's odd, my new mouse has buttons 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 and 9. I wonder where 6 and 7 went o.O
[09:08] <diplo> Someone stole them!
[09:08] <diplo> Theif!
[09:08] <Azelphur> Button ninjas! :O
[09:09] <Azelphur> I'm wondering if there's 2 secret buttons that I am missing or something haha
[09:10] <diplo> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Get_All_Mouse_Buttons_Working_(%E6%AD%A3%E9%AB%94%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87)
[09:10] <diplo> Maybe some pointers there ?
[09:11] <Azelphur> maybe, I'm not sure if I actually have more than 7 buttons though, from what I can see I have 4 buttons and a scroll wheel
[09:16] <AlanBell> scroll wheel is 4 and 5
[09:16] <AlanBell> does it have tilt too?
[09:17] <Azelphur> nah, no tilt
[09:17] <Azelphur> maybe 6 and 7 are reserved for tilt if you have it
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:09] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:10] <davmor2> morning czajkowski
[10:10] <SuperMatt> fuck to the yeah! I've tweak radiance to get a theme that matches spotify :D
[10:12] <DJones> SuperMatt: Can you tone the language down a bit, remember this is meant to be a family friendly channel
[10:13] <SuperMatt> sorry
[10:13] <SuperMatt> I thought I was in another channel
[10:13] <SuperMatt> my bad
[10:13] <SuperMatt> I keep doing this
[10:13] <DJones> No worries :) Accidents happen
[10:13] <gordonjcp> I hate the phrase "family friendly"
[10:13] <gordonjcp> what a meaningless string of tosh
[10:19] <czajkowski> !ask AlanBell
[10:20] <AlanBell> !tell czajkowski
[10:20] <AlanBell> :)
[10:20] <czajkowski> heh
[10:23] <SuperMatt> http://www.supermatt.net/radiance-spotify/
[10:24] <oimon> can anyone recommend a good pico projector?
[10:24] <Azelphur> I'm having a bit of a wine/nvidia related issue it seems that I'm missing my 32bit compatibility libs for the nvidia drivers so wine reverts to a really old OpenGL version, any ideas on how I'd fix that?
[10:26] <oimon> or any cheap portable projector really
[10:27] <gord> Azelphur, ia32-libs ?
[10:27] <Azelphur> gord: already installed
[10:53] <Azelphur> In fedora, the package I need is xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs I think
[10:53] <Azelphur> but it looks like ubuntu doesn't have a similar package :(
[10:56] <popey> thats nvidia-current
[10:56] <Azelphur> popey: figured it might be bundled in there, I need the 32bit libraries rather than the whole driver though
[10:56] <popey> nvidia-current:i386
[10:57] <popey> probably wont do what you expect/want
[10:57] <Azelphur> that's obviously gonna explode things as it'll stall the kernel modules and stuff
[10:58] <Azelphur> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/852873 looks like this bug
[10:58] <Azelphur> the bot lies, it says unassigned confirmed on launchpad o.O
[11:02] <popey> no
[11:02] <popey> its a dupe, the status is for bug #852873
[11:03] <popey> sorry I mean the other way round
[11:03] <popey> its the status for the main bug not the dupe
[11:04] <Azelphur> ah
[11:10] <Azelphur> http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=15537 oO, my exact issue :D
[11:55] <bubu\a> hi guys, i've been given a .p12 cert by a windows admin which is needed to connect https between their server and our ubuntu server. how can i convert to a .pem or .crt file so I have my privatekey.key and my crt?
[11:56] <penguin42> bubu\a: http://www.sslshopper.com/article-most-common-openssl-commands.html
[11:56] <penguin42> bubu\a: It's got a section called 'Converting Using OpenSSL'
[12:20] <bubu\a> cool thx
[12:20] <bubu\a> have found a few
[12:20] <bubu\a> converted several times now
[12:21] <bubu\a> but when i curl -i https://hisserver:443 I get SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed
[12:21] <bubu\a> and am not sure why ... have installed other .crt/.key certs ok before
[12:22] <bubu\a> I get the same error if i curl -i https://127.0.0.1:44
[12:22] <bubu\a> 443*
[12:34] <Knightwise> hey guys
[12:34] <Azelphur> Santander just sent me an email to explain what a cookie is
[12:34] <Azelphur> "‘Cookies’ enable users to navigate around websites"
[12:34]  * Azelphur stabs
[12:34] <popey> heh, yeah
[12:34] <popey> and note the domain its sent from
[12:34] <popey> "yoursantander"
[12:34] <Azelphur> haha
[12:35] <Azelphur> "This email is intended for Mr Day, 2AR" ... what?
[12:35] <Knightwise> i was looking to install vuze on my ppc mac , and it askes me to install jde (or jre)
[12:35] <popey> their attempt to prove it's from them
[12:35] <Azelphur> haha
[12:36] <Knightwise> is that an apt-get i should do ?
[12:37] <popey> Knightwise: http://kapsulax.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/java-plugin-under-linux-ppc.html
[12:39] <Knightwise> thanx popey  !
[12:39] <Knightwise> gonna give it a try
[12:39] <Knightwise> got Lubuntu working on my 17 inch G4 imac
[12:39] <Knightwise> beautiful piece of tech
[12:39] <Knightwise> If i can get Java working on it it will make a very pretty server :)
[12:40] <popey> sweet
[12:41] <Knightwise> yep :) will be doing a podcast on it this week
[12:41] <Knightwise> and did a videoblog on it yesterday
[12:42] <Knightwise> Jury is still out if its gonna be lxde or xfce in the long run
[12:46] <penguin42> I don't suppose anyone has an android dev/ndk setup that they fancy checking to see whether build instructions I've written work for anyone else?
[14:24]  * Azelphur is eating fish fingers and custard :D
[14:25] <davmor2> Azelphur: you are not doctor who :P
[14:25] <Azelphur> I am now!
[14:26] <Azelphur> it's actually quite nice
[14:27] <DJones> Somebody was talking about eating pancakes with gravy the other day, that sounded vile until they said its the same as yorkshire pudding & grivy
[14:30] <Azelphur> 10 fish fingers, £1. Tin of Devon custard, 89p. Eating like a time lord: priceless :D
[14:30] <davmor2> DJones: nope it still sounds vile
[14:31] <davmor2> Azelphur: I was aiming more for eating like a time lord: Prat! ;)
[14:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:49] <Azelphur> Anyone here have a 4 directional scroll wheel and mind running xev and telling me what button numbers the left and right are?
[15:04] <Hornet> Azelphur: that would be unlimited rice pudding
[15:04] <Azelphur> xD
[15:12] <vedreamer> I'm trying to build a kernel on a vm with a small disk. I think I just need the virtual .deb files. Anyone know how I can do this
[15:12] <vedreamer> I used fakeroot debian/rules binary
[15:56] <AlanBell> choo choo
[15:57]  * brobostigon joins in making choochoo sounds.
[15:59] <czajkowski> choo choo July 14th :)
[16:00] <brobostigon> rat
[16:00] <penguin42> ?
[16:03] <AlanBell> yes, that one does make all the right noises
[16:04] <gord> really am disappointed by the lack of chooing that modern trains do
[16:07] <mattt> yes, what we need are trains w/ more choo
[16:07]  * mattt stares at gord
[16:10] <gord> they also need to go chugga-cha-chug. chugga-cha-chug more
[16:10] <gord> so i can nap
[16:10] <gord> and occasionally just as i am going to sleep, one should be sent out to make pleasing noises in the distance
[16:13] <czajkowski> gord: you should have that as a ring tone !
[16:44] <AlanBell> afternoon naps are nice
[17:01] <mattt> AlanBell: on holiday this week?
[17:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Afternoon peeps :)
[20:18] <DJones> Whats happening at RIM? Just seen a stock market alert saying their shares have been suspended
[20:19] <dogmatic69> I have heard shares get suspended if there is a big jump in a few minutes, quite normal apparently
[20:20] <DJones> Just looking at news, sounds like they're reporting very poor results
[20:20] <dogmatic69> stocks up .7%
[20:20] <dogmatic69> google says they lost a senior exec
[20:21] <dogmatic69> *another
[20:21] <dogmatic69> chief legal officer is retiring
[20:21]  * DJones makes a note not to buy a RIM phone
[20:21] <ali1234> RIM is toast
[20:21] <ali1234> because they failed to understand who was buying their phones
[20:21] <dogmatic69> also, they are cutting 1000's of jobs
[20:22] <dogmatic69> 14 yo girls...
[20:22] <ali1234> exactly
[20:22] <DJones> ali1234: toast is good, I get the feeling that rim isn't doing good :)
[20:22] <dogmatic69> but its a 'business' phone
[20:22] <ali1234> exactly!
[20:22] <dogmatic69> DJones: good time to short some shares...
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> I don't want to do business with 14 yr old girls
[20:22] <ali1234> their developer offering is entirely geared towards "enterprise" developers
[20:23] <dogmatic69> ali1234: well, marketing found that is what 14 yo girls need
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: and it's a bad sdk too..
[20:23] <dogmatic69> help with cookie sales and all...
[20:23] <DJones> director at work has just replaced his blackberry with an iphone because the blackberry was rubbish at internet based things
[20:23] <ali1234> it's not particularly bad, it just isnt designed for making angry birds and social apps
[20:23] <dogmatic69> BBM!
[20:24] <ali1234> now nokia has the exact opposite problem: their main market (symbian) is business users, but their ecosystem is designed around ... angry birds and social apps that business users do not want
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: it doesn't even use the internet.. it uses RIMs butchered version
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> so you always need a RIM server/subscription
[20:24] <dogmatic69> ye
[20:24] <ali1234> BBM was extremely popular with teenagers because it is much much cheaper than SMS
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> which is why I use gtalk
[20:27] <ali1234> BBM is cheaper than "unlimited" internet
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> not anymore here
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> they're making you buy both here
[20:28] <ali1234> true, that's another reason why RIM is toast
[20:29] <ali1234> i see the facebook phone announcement failed to lift the share price
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> there's an announcement?
[20:30] <ali1234> yeah. bbc don't print rumours unless they're official off the record rumours
[20:43] <DJones> This would explain the share notice http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/05/29/205256/rim-may-need-to-write-off-1-billion-in-inventory?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[20:46] <shauno> RIM are rather scary.  I can't remember the last time I heard any good news from them at all
[22:13] <dogmatic69> anyone familiar with doxygen?
[22:14] <dogmatic69> I want to use terminal version only, eg doxygen <command> but the installer wants to dl 600mb. This is 11.10 server and guessing its that big due to the doxygen gui parts
[22:15] <dogmatic69> well, 420mb, 680 installed http://bin.cakephp.org/view/773503325
[22:39] <gord> dogmatic69, nah, doxygen is just huuuuge
[22:43] <dogmatic69> gord: cool, I will just do it and hope for the best... :D
[22:45] <gord> the gui tool is basically just a quick and dirty application that just runs the command line anyway :)