[03:05] <rick_h_> man, even TWiT is getting hard to listen to any longer
[03:10] <snap-l> What happened now?
[03:10] <rick_h_> just listening to the latest podcast
[03:10] <rick_h_> hard to listen to, just seems sucky
[03:10] <snap-l> who did they have on?
[03:10] <rick_h_> John C, the guy in Tx, and someone else
[03:11] <rick_h_> last few have been a bit hard to get through though imo
[03:11] <snap-l> Harry McCracken
[03:11] <snap-l> He's got a voice for print
[03:12] <snap-l> Plus the topics are pretty meh
[03:12] <rick_h_> yea
[03:13] <snap-l> I find the ones I listen to are TWIG and Scurity Now
[03:13] <rick_h_> yea, but twig can get kind of nuts and over their head
[03:13] <snap-l> mostly because they tend to stay on some semblence of a target
[03:13] <rick_h_> I've never gotten into security now
[03:13] <snap-l> It's OK. It's a little basic at times, but it makes for light listening when doing the dishes
[03:14] <snap-l> A thte very least, I feel like I got what I put into it
[03:14] <rick_h_> what's his name gets a bit predicable and carries on too much if you listen for a long time
[03:14] <snap-l> SOmetimes I get that with TWiG
[03:14] <rick_h_> Jarvis, he's starting to turn into nails on chalkboard
[03:14] <snap-l> Jeff Jarvis?
[03:14] <snap-l> Heh
[03:15] <snap-l> He doesn't bother me that much, but he does get into his grooves
[03:15] <rick_h_> he didn't before, but you bring up a topic and I can almost tell you what he's going to say
[03:16] <rick_h_> and when he tries to hang in the developer bits I roll my eyes :P
[03:16] <rick_h_> anyway, past my bed time. See you all later.
[03:16] <snap-l> Laterness. :)
[11:25] <rick_h_> morning
[11:26] <rick_h_> doh, was just a bit too early with my morning to catch brousch
[11:39] <brousch> i am here
[11:39] <brousch> sorry, left my computer open all night. it may have given the impression that i was actually looking
[11:40] <shakes808> Morning all
[11:43] <brousch> Morning one
[11:44] <rick_h_> ugh, so tired
[11:44] <rick_h_> and damn, weekend w/o contacts and not the left one one get comfy today
[11:46] <brousch> You'd better fix that before you blow up Launchpad with typos ;)
[11:47] <rick_h_> boom!
[11:47] <rick_h_> no, it'll just make me hate this django stuff more :P
[11:49] <brousch> What'll it take to get you to ride the pink pony with pride and happiness?
[11:50] <rick_h_> rm -rf django
[11:50] <rick_h_> git xa "Remove django" && git push origin :master
[11:53] <brousch> Did you see my PyOhio talk ideas email?
[11:54] <rick_h_> brousch: no, where did you send it?
[11:54] <brousch> ubuntu-us-mi email list
[11:54] <rick_h_> oh, yea no I don't read that very often
[11:54] <brousch> heh
[11:55] <brousch> I haven't gotten any responses from that list. Its possible it failed
[11:55] <rick_h_> no, I see it now
[12:02] <brousch> All bed?
[12:02] <brousch> bad?
[12:02] <rick_h_> no, good stuff
[12:03] <rick_h_> the last one would be interesting from the py3 angle, but you might get some big time framework people in there so beware
[12:03] <rick_h_> the first one is cool, pyohio, intro stuff is good
[12:03] <rick_h_> the second one I'm not sure just because of how big/vague it can be
[12:04] <brousch> yeah, i would make sure it's know #3 is a beginner level talk
[12:05] <brousch> #2 would be a series of "Here's an open source program that does cool stuff. Here's how you can use Python in it"
[12:08] <brousch> I've only seen Mark Ramm at PyOhio. What other framework people have been there?
[12:08] <rick_h_> there's some django higher ups (they were ones staying my SA tutorial last year)
[12:08] <rick_h_> and just that there's lots to get told how to do/fix/etc in the web framework world
[12:10] <brousch> I put the Django one on there because there was nothing last year. Bunch of geekers.
[12:10] <rick_h_> yea, and I'd ping the pyohio guys on that one just in case several people notice that and submit similar topics
[12:11] <rick_h_> but if no one has, that's a really good beginner thing to have there
[12:12] <brousch> Devlin and Floehr are both on the GRPUG list, so I was hoping they'd notice
[12:18] <brousch> snap-l: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/05/29/0015231/open-source-bach-project-completed-score-and-recording-now-online
[12:19] <snap-l> brousch: That's pretty cool
[13:21] <snap-l> brousch: This is indeed a find.
[13:21] <snap-l> I have a few copies of the Goldberg Variations, and this is right up there.
[13:22] <brousch> I'LL HAVE TO GIVE IT A LISTEN
[13:23] <brousch> sorry
[13:23] <snap-l> OK!!!!
[13:25] <brousch> NOW READ MY EMAIL AND GIVE ME YOUR OPINION
[15:31] <rick_h_> http://blog.bitly.com/post/23998132587/welcome-to-the-new-bitly
[15:31] <snap-l> bitmarks
[15:32] <snap-l> Interesting
[15:32] <brousch>  utoh
[15:32] <rick_h_> it's the old delicious
[15:32] <rick_h_> don't do content though still
[15:32] <rick_h_> iphone app, wonder if it works mobile
[15:33] <rick_h_> I'm sure they'll add it though
[15:33] <snap-l> This confuses me: I'm not sure how to rage-quit it. :)
[15:34] <snap-l> THERE IS CHANGE! I MUST RAGEQUIT CHANGE!
[15:34] <rick_h_> it does make perfect sense for3 bitly though, have to give them credit for finally doing it
[16:42] <snap-l> I <3 impersonal e-mails from Best Buy
[16:42] <snap-l> "Just a quick note to say thank you for your recent purchase. We hope you love every second of your new technology."
[16:42] <snap-l> We bought a refrigerator for my father-in-law.
[16:42] <snap-l> I'm sure he's eagerly reading the manaul as we speak, looking through the vast options of enjoyment
[16:43] <snap-l> "It has 6 settings, 0 - 5"
[16:43] <snap-l> Woooooooow.
[17:03] <rick_h_> about time you joined the modern age
[17:03] <rick_h_> can you even toss out that old 'ice box'?
[17:14] <brousch> Ooooh 50% off all Javascript O'Reilly books
[17:22] <snap-l> rick_h_: He had an older Haier college-dorm-room fridge that just up and quit
[17:22] <snap-l> so we got him a new one. (assisted living, blah blah)
[17:23] <snap-l> brousch: I think ihave 50% of them.
[17:23] <brousch> now you can get the other 50% for 50% off!
[17:23] <rick_h_> I can probably give you the other 50% :P
[17:23] <snap-l> Wow, lots of new ones.
[17:23] <rick_h_> linky?
[17:23] <snap-l> http://oreilly.com/javascript/index.html
[17:24] <snap-l> I really hate the titles that are essentially blog posts.
[17:24] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920025887.do?code=CFFCJS
[17:24] <snap-l> 20 pages? Seriously?
[17:24] <snap-l> Although it's free.
[17:24] <snap-l> Hmm.
[17:25] <brousch> FREE
[17:25] <snap-l> (*whistles*)
[17:25] <brousch> If it's free, gimme three!
[17:25]  * snap-l spent enough time on the west-side to have the free bug
[17:26] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022565.do <- wtf?
[17:26] <snap-l> I have never heard of this
[17:27] <snap-l> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
[17:27] <snap-l> ye gods
[17:27] <rick_h_> me either
[17:27] <rick_h_> there goes snap-l ...
[17:28]  * snap-l and complex video games do not go hand-in-hand
[17:28] <snap-l> I like challenge. I don't like having 500 things to remember
[17:29] <snap-l> and I HATE grinding in video games
[17:30] <_stink_> Final Fantasy 1, anyone?
[17:31] <_stink_> i remember that as the definition of grinding in a video game.
[17:31] <greg-g> snap-l: my buddy @pete is really into dwarf fortress
[17:31] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinding_(video_gaming)
[17:32] <greg-g> he was telling me the rules regarding lava and animal cages, holy batman complex
[17:33] <snap-l> heh
[17:33] <_stink_> yeah
[17:34] <snap-l> The ones that irk me are  how you're supposed to be a great warrior, yet after the fifth attack by a roly poly duck and a man-eating plant, you're essentially rubbish
[17:34] <_stink_> leveling up because the next major step has mobs too hard for now
[17:34] <greg-g> I mean, 15 years ago and I would be all over that kind of stuff, but now, not so much
[17:34] <snap-l> Yeah, I have enough games that I don't play because of that
[17:35] <rick_h_> note to self, don't ever start a grep that grabs the django source on accident
[17:35] <snap-l> I guess there's some thrill in seeing your level 1 fighter become a major player, but I'd rather play a game than clock-in
[17:35] <snap-l> Also, collecting pointless side quests drives me insane
[17:36] <rick_h_> come on, if you don't put in the time how can you expect to feel like you got your $60 worth?
[17:36] <greg-g> d00d, the journey IS the destination
[17:36] <snap-l> "You must save the world, but first my pig sty needs cleaning"
[17:36] <greg-g> This IS it.
[17:36] <greg-g> (apologies to Alan Watts)
[17:37] <snap-l> "Dear sir, I realize the world is about to end by some evil wizard, but I've lost my cat. His name is fluffy. Please go out to the forest of anal raping to see if you can find him"
[17:37] <rick_h_> """
[17:37] <rick_h_> URLConf for mazaserver.
[17:37] <rick_h_> """
[17:37] <rick_h_> oops
[17:54] <snap-l> Heh, I think I need to turn off radio stream scrobbling
[17:54] <snap-l> JoDee is listening to UK radio, so I'm getting things like Blink 182, Keane, and Arctic Monkeys in my last.fm stream
[17:55] <snap-l> Oh fuck, now I'm listening to Adele
[17:55] <rick_h_> heh, you should see my netflix suggestions on day
[17:56] <brousch> Sharing accounts like that is not a good idea. That's how I end up with Vince Gill and Enya in my streams
[17:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh totally. JoDee watched some kung-fu movie. Now we're getting recommendations for other kung-fu movies
[17:56] <snap-l> brousch: That's grounds for divorce.
[17:56] <rick_h_> I'm starting to get kids stuff based off the curious george and thomas the train, vampire stuff, nutsy things (she's watched archer, parks and rec)
[17:57] <rick_h_> I feel like it's not even my account any more
[17:57] <brousch> Kung Pow! is the best Kung-fu movie
[17:57] <snap-l> I haven't seen Archer. How is that?
[17:57] <rick_h_> I'm not a fan of that kind of thing
[17:57] <rick_h_> but she loved it
[17:57] <rick_h_> she watched them all and we bought the current one off amazon
[17:57] <snap-l> J started watching Eureka
[17:57] <brousch> I watched maybe 1.5 seasons of Eureka. It was OK
[17:58] <snap-l> Yeah, it looks like it could run out of steam pretty rapidly.
[17:58] <brousch> After I realized I had watched 4 episodes just for the smart, hot women, I stopped
[17:59] <snap-l> brousch: heh
[17:59] <snap-l> There we go. Listening to Goldberg Variations
[17:59] <snap-l> and not Adele.
[18:00]  * brousch is afraid to look up Adele
[18:00] <greg-g> yay, goldberg variations!
[18:00] <snap-l> greg-g: The Kimiko Ishizaka ones released recently
[18:01] <greg-g> the public domain recordings?
[18:01] <greg-g> (right?)
[18:01] <snap-l> Yep
[18:01] <greg-g> yeah, downloaded them last night for this flight
[18:02] <greg-g> (and wee, the plane finally made it to the gate, only delayed like 30 minutes now)
[19:35] <rick_h_> I still want one :/
[19:35] <rick_h_> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/next-step-in-chrome-os-journey.html
[19:35] <brousch> So get one!
[19:36] <brousch> Unfortunately they aren't bringing the new interface to my Cr-48 :(
[19:36] <rick_h_> yea, I gave my cr-48 to my brother who loves it
[19:36] <rick_h_> sad it's not getting upgraded
[19:36] <brousch> One annoying thing is I reboot it way more often than Linux
[19:36] <rick_h_> I'd love to get the wife the 'desktop' and take her laptop away
[19:37] <brousch> Seems to get locked up on Flash more frequently, and has frequent updates
[19:37] <rick_h_> yea, but that's good that it's getting firmware updates
[19:38] <brousch> Also I think it has survived the longest of any of The Boy's computers
[19:38] <brousch> faiirly resistant to milk spills and crumbs in the keyboard
[19:38] <rick_h_> yea, it's definitely the kind of thing I'd hand a kid
[19:39] <rick_h_> I did like the cr-48 almost like a tablet, casual device
[19:39] <rick_h_> sitting around the couch, hand to people that came over, etc
[19:46] <snap-l> Drupal is great right up until the second I use it
[19:46] <snap-l> then I want to shove it into a cannon and blast it into space.
[19:47] <rick_h_> always been my experience
[19:58] <rick_h_> and the review for the new chromebook http://goo.gl/a0T7y
[19:58] <snap-l> The website encountered an unexpected error. Please try again later.
[20:01] <brousch> snap-l++
[20:01] <rick_h_> oh hmm, worked for me
[20:01] <rick_h_> well link is at the bottom there
[20:01] <rick_h_> I'll have to figure out why that failed
[20:01] <rick_h_> http://readable.bmark.us/view/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.readwriteweb.com%2Farchives%2Fnew-chromebook-chromebox-are-good-enough-to-grab-minds-market-share.php
[20:01] <rick_h_> that work?
[20:02] <rick_h_> nope
[20:02] <rick_h_> oh, heh, the original server is having issues
[20:02] <rick_h_> I got the error page from RWW
[20:02] <rick_h_> nice, need to get my caching going on there so that when I share a link like that it just pulls the cache
[22:42] <snap-l> This will probably mean more to greg-g thank anyone here, but OMC now has it's own collection page: http://archive.org/details/openmetalcast
[22:43] <snap-l> I think it's still in the process of refreshing
[22:48] <gamerchick02> oooh. that's pretty cool, snap-l
[22:48] <snap-l> Thanks, gamerchick02
[22:48] <gamerchick02> and hey, i'm here in the irc. i haven't been in a long long time.
[22:48] <gamerchick02> for that, i feel bad.
[22:50] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Don't feel bad
[22:50] <snap-l> just get caught up, and life will be good
[22:50] <snap-l> life's too short for regret.
[22:50] <gamerchick02> good point. i miss everyone here when i'm at work.
[22:50] <gamerchick02> i doubt i can get leeway for IRC/web.
[22:51] <gamerchick02> "you want to do what now?"
[22:51] <gamerchick02> "no."
[22:51] <gamerchick02> yep. that's the reaction i'll get from upper management.
[22:58] <gamerchick02> i'm going to inflame the masses in here, but what do people think of the macbook air?
[22:58] <gamerchick02> *awaits torches and pitchforks*
[23:38] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Well, if you want a macbook, and prize portabiity over performance, it's a good fit
[23:38] <snap-l> also good for cutting read
[23:38] <snap-l> bread
[23:39] <gamerchick02> cutting bread?
[23:39] <gamerchick02> referring to the sharp edge?
[23:39] <gamerchick02> ;)
[23:39] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: I think you have to state your OS choice before asking that question
[23:39] <rick_h_> if you want OSX, many an OSX fan love it see jrwren
[23:39] <snap-l> and that's rick_h_, being diplomatic
[23:39] <gamerchick02> i just need the thing for portable web and writing
[23:40] <gamerchick02> i'm OS agnostic right now toward it
[23:40] <rick_h_> if you want to run linux on it, then enjoy, it can be a bit bleeding edge with hardware though there are canonical employees that run it and some document getting bits to work
[23:40] <gamerchick02> if i was going to get an ultrabook, i'd want ubuntu on it.
[23:40] <gamerchick02> if i'm going to get an Air, i'll be running OSx.
[23:40] <rick_h_> in a couple of weeks the new lenovos come out and I'm eagerly awaiting those
[23:40] <gamerchick02> OSX, even. dangit
[23:40] <gamerchick02> oooh. how are the prices and battery life on them?
[23:40] <rick_h_> system76 annouced a couple of new laptops this past week
[23:41] <gamerchick02> nothing small though.
[23:41] <rick_h_> yea, looking now, guess not
[23:41] <gamerchick02> i'm looking 11-13"
[23:42] <gamerchick02> 14" is fine, but i can get a dell for cheaper in that category. and dells usually play well with ubuntu.
[23:42] <rick_h_> hmmm, I need a way to dump an email thread from mutt
[23:42] <gamerchick02> also: weight.
[23:42] <gamerchick02> i have no idea how to do that, rick_h_. mutt?
[23:43] <gamerchick02> i keep trying thunderbird but keep going back to gmail in the browser.
[23:43] <rick_h_> yea, I've got a thread disucssing that from work
[23:43] <Milyardo> rick_h_: use alpine
[23:43]  * Milyardo ducks
[23:43] <gamerchick02> Milyardo, i used pine back in school
[23:43] <gamerchick02> it was functional. and it made me feel geeky to use the text email thingo. :)
[23:44] <gamerchick02> also, the webmail interface they had for the school email was bollacks.
[23:44] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: check out the samsung series 9, asus zenbook, precise runs on the air well with one bug in booting that there's a work around for and some thunderbolt lacking since it's not fully supported in linux
[23:45] <gamerchick02> ah. i will look at those too. thanks
[23:45] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: those were the three discussed to varying degrees all with positive users
[23:45] <gamerchick02> thank you.
[23:45] <rick_h_> each has a small gotcha, if you want the details I can try to pull the messages out, but it's a 20ish message thread
[23:45] <gamerchick02> what about battery life (that's the elephant in the room)?
[23:46] <rick_h_> yea, most of them do well, the samsung not as good as the air, but over 4hrs it seems.
[23:46] <gamerchick02> Apple claims 5 hours on the Air 11".
[23:46] <rick_h_> tehse are all running ubuntu, so will vary
[23:46] <gamerchick02> ah
[23:46] <gamerchick02> ok
[23:46] <gamerchick02> they claim 7 hours on the 13".
[23:46] <rick_h_> just going off of what people said, no first hand knowledge here
[23:47] <gamerchick02> but yes, i'm going to a build-your-own desktop (this weekend in fact) and some sort of portable (ultra-portable?) laptop.
[23:47] <snap-l> If you're looking for a basic thin, light, 11" ultrabook, the Thinkpads are also a nice choice.
[23:47] <gamerchick02> :) i've heard loads of good things about the thinkpads. and they will run ubuntu with minimum of fuss, yes?
[23:47] <rick_h_> yea
[23:47] <gamerchick02> :-D sweet
[23:47] <rick_h_> I'm going to be getting my 5th one I think
[23:47] <rick_h_> or 6th
[23:48] <snap-l> I think 12.04 will run pretty well on the thinkpads.
[23:48] <gamerchick02> you're almost married to the thinkpad. hah!
[23:48] <gamerchick02> how long have you been using that brand, rick_h_?
[23:48] <snap-l> gamerchick02: I think it's a little more than marriage
[23:48] <rick_h_> no one touches it, not my wife, my boy...
[23:48] <snap-l> more like symbiosis
[23:48] <gamerchick02> it's your first love.
[23:48] <gamerchick02> :-D
[23:48] <rick_h_> well, I had a thinkpad and went away from it back around 2001 or 2 I think
[23:49] <rick_h_> toshiba and dell, ran back to thinkpads ever since
[23:49] <gamerchick02> over 10 years. wow. that's a good run on a brand
[23:49] <gamerchick02> it has the rick_h_ seal of approval.
[23:49] <rick_h_> everyone wants me to recommend a laptop and it's the only ones I'll vouch for
[23:50] <gamerchick02> well. you know what you're talking about when it comes to computers.
[23:50] <gamerchick02> so does everyone in this chat room.
[23:51] <gamerchick02> we all have our favorite brands, but we know what we like.
[23:51] <gamerchick02> *shrug*
[23:53] <snap-l> I knooooow what I liiiiike, and I liiiiike what I knoooow.
[23:53] <gamerchick02> :-D
[23:54] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_EYU75uhKk
[23:56] <gamerchick02> ok, switching to wireless. why is this not seamless?
[23:56] <gamerchick02> i might go offline for a sec
[23:57] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Different MAC addresses for different network cards
[23:57] <snap-l> so essentially you'll get a new IP address if you switch between the two, unless you can somehow bridge them
[23:59] <gamerchick02_> i'd love to bridge them