JonathanD | Morning. | 09:23 |
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rmg51 | Morning | 09:38 |
JonathanD | hey rmg51 | 09:49 |
rmg51 | Yo | 09:51 |
JonathanD | Whats up? | 09:53 |
rmg51 | nothing at the moment | 10:34 |
rmg51 | just heading to the kitchen for breakfast | 10:35 |
waltman | Morning | 10:58 |
JonathanD | Hey waltman | 11:01 |
waltman | Yo. | 11:04 |
JonathanD | Whats up/ | 11:06 |
waltman | Oh, not much. You? | 11:17 |
JonathanD | Nothing. | 11:17 |
JonathanD | I'd like to go for a bike ride. | 11:17 |
waltman | This was my day yesterday: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4508921/multi_inspectors.jpg | 11:18 |
JonathanD | looks fun :) | 11:18 |
JonathanD | aren't you a little old to play with crayons, though? ;) | 11:18 |
waltman | It got a little scrunched when I had to switch back to my little laptop screen. | 11:18 |
JonathanD | Yeah. | 11:19 |
waltman | My crayons didn't have licorice :) | 11:19 |
JonathanD | thats not the laptop screen, then? | 11:19 |
JonathanD | thats an external? | 11:19 |
waltman | Most of the day I was on an external monitor. | 11:19 |
JonathanD | waltman: this is why I had such a hard time picking my laptop. | 11:19 |
waltman | oh? | 11:19 |
JonathanD | I wanted a 1680x1050. but they are gone. | 11:19 |
JonathanD | no one makes them anymore. | 11:20 |
JonathanD | Just 1080 screens on laptops the size of RI. | 11:20 |
waltman | that's 1280x800 | 11:20 |
JonathanD | yes | 11:20 |
JonathanD | and it's already crowded :P | 11:20 |
waltman | It's not crowded on my 20" monitor :) | 11:20 |
JonathanD | well | 11:20 |
JonathanD | it looks crowded :P | 11:21 |
waltman | But it's a pain to set that up. | 11:21 |
JonathanD | waltman: https://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/06/lenovo_dual_screen.jpg&sa=X&ei=KbHET9KFGMX76gHmxYXDCg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGsgkc4imE_zdtdGKmQLEGyp_gjrQ | 11:21 |
JonathanD | You should get that ;) | 11:21 |
JonathanD | and get me one, while you're at it... | 11:21 |
waltman | Wait, is that a laptop with a built-in number pad? | 11:22 |
JonathanD | yes. | 11:22 |
JonathanD | and an extra screen. | 11:22 |
waltman | and...yes | 11:22 |
JonathanD | the thing on the wrist rest is a wacom tablet. | 11:22 |
waltman | Plus you don't have to go to the gym, because lugging that around everyday is a great workout! | 11:23 |
JonathanD | yup | 11:23 |
JonathanD | 2 inches thick | 11:23 |
JonathanD | not suprising, given the mechanism for a slide out screen... | 11:23 |
waltman | The real reason I took that screenshot was to show that I had multiple inspector windows open. That's kind of a hidden feature of Keynote. | 11:24 |
JonathanD | 11 lbs | 11:24 |
waltman | yow! | 11:24 |
JonathanD | + 2 more for the power brick. | 11:24 |
waltman | normally when I run keynote I'd have a lot fewer windows open. | 11:24 |
JonathanD | I imagine it's an extra special power brick for the 2KW that thing probably needs. | 11:24 |
JonathanD | probably has 2 power cords, you're supposed to plug each into a seperate circuit ;) | 11:25 |
JonathanD | waltman: yah. | 11:25 |
JonathanD | waltman: I figure the 2nd monitor on that thing would be practical for uses where you have lots of secondary windows/dialogs. | 11:26 |
JonathanD | Which is why I bring it up. | 11:26 |
waltman | You probably have to plug it into a 220V outlet :) | 11:26 |
JonathanD | heh | 11:26 |
JonathanD | waltman: did I ever tell you about the AIX thinkpad? | 11:26 |
JonathanD | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:860 | 11:27 |
JonathanD | check out that bad boy :p | 11:27 |
waltman | nice | 11:28 |
JonathanD | waltman: they are rather rare. | 11:28 |
JonathanD | waltman: but there was an accesory available for it. | 11:28 |
JonathanD | a 7 disk scsi array, with wheels. | 11:28 |
JonathanD | Hope wherever you're going has an elevator... | 11:29 |
waltman | First laptop I ever used on a regular basis was a compaq I got from work in 1995. To move the mouse pointer around, you used a tiny trackball built into the monitor! | 11:30 |
JonathanD | waltman: I uh... still have that one. | 11:31 |
JonathanD | compaq LTE | 11:31 |
JonathanD | https://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.obsolete-tears.com/photos/compaq_lte_elite_c440cx.jpg&sa=X&ei=wLPET4eWCOKF6QHC1PXhAQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHeqHx8BYjxqo5AWdl-omj9emQoIw | 11:32 |
JonathanD | with the mouse buttons on the outside of the case. | 11:32 |
waltman | yep! | 11:33 |
JonathanD | waltman: jason uses it. | 11:33 |
waltman | Mine might've have been a slightly different model, but that was the basic design | 11:33 |
JonathanD | That things gotta be 12 years... more even? | 11:33 |
waltman | this one would have been 17 years ago. | 11:33 |
JonathanD | geez | 11:34 |
JonathanD | still works, too | 11:34 |
JonathanD | don't make em like they used to, waltman :p | 11:34 |
waltman | I installed Windows 95 on it. From floppies. Multiple times. :) | 11:34 |
waltman | Good times. | 11:34 |
JonathanD | course laptops don't cost as much as new cars anymore, either. | 11:34 |
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JonathanD | I recall 95 being s lot of disks:D | 11:35 |
waltman | Apple's do! :) | 11:35 |
waltman | OK, time for breakfast ! | 11:35 |
InHisName | Morning | 12:19 |
JonathanD | hey InHisName | 12:21 |
* JonathanD off to work now | 12:21 | |
JonathanD | Morning again. | 13:08 |
rmg51 | that dang JonathanD is acting up again ;-) | 13:17 |
JonathanD | sorry. | 13:18 |
JonathanD | See, I have the cable strung under my floor mat, and sometimes the chair rolls over it... | 13:18 |
rmg51 | try to be more careful :-D | 13:20 |
JonathanD | rmg51: well, it's better than having people trip over it. | 13:22 |
rmg51 | I'll have Teddy make you a keep out sign | 13:24 |
JonathanD | 40 | 14:31 |
adom | howdy | 14:50 |
JonathanD | hey. | 14:50 |
adom | been awhile. | 14:50 |
adom | whats new in here? | 14:51 |
JonathanD | nothing much, that I'm aware of? | 14:51 |
JonathanD | adom: you missed the geeknic :P | 14:51 |
adom | geeknic!? | 14:52 |
adom | oh wait, in philly | 14:52 |
adom | ? | 14:52 |
JonathanD | near | 14:53 |
JonathanD | warminster | 14:53 |
adom | then meh. im up in erie still. looking for nerd jobs in Pittsburgh. | 14:53 |
JonathanD | you could have made it :P | 14:53 |
JonathanD | it's only, what, 7 hour drive? | 14:53 |
JonathanD | I've done it a couple times :p | 14:53 |
InHisName | you're in Erie and looking to commute to Pitts ? | 15:45 |
JonathanD | hey InHisName | 15:46 |
MutantTurkey | Pittsburg ish ya mon | 15:46 |
MutantTurkey | i'll be at pitt next weekend - any good places to go? | 15:46 |
InHisName | They might have a MickyDs there. | 15:47 |
JonathanD | MutantTurkey: aquarium. | 15:48 |
JonathanD | walk through the submarine. | 15:48 |
MutantTurkey | JonathanD: yeah I used to live over in pitts so I've done the zoo, the parks, the public works stuff | 15:48 |
MutantTurkey | which is always fun | 15:49 |
JonathanD | the zoo is nice too yeah. | 15:49 |
MutantTurkey | I love the zoo | 15:49 |
JonathanD | and that park ... with the coaster... | 15:49 |
JonathanD | kennywood? | 15:49 |
MutantTurkey | plus the inclines are always fun. | 15:49 |
JonathanD | heh | 15:49 |
MutantTurkey | anyway I'll probably end up just hanging out doing nothing LOL | 15:49 |
waltman | MutantTurkey: there's a HofbrÀuhaus on the south side by the river. | 16:07 |
MutantTurkey | meh | 16:08 |
MutantTurkey | i've been to the real Hofbrauhaus | 16:08 |
waltman | the inside is crazy, but they have a big outdoor eating area which is much saner. It can be quite pleasant to sit outside drinking beer and eating German food by the river. | 16:09 |
waltman | there are some museums over by CMU that look fun, but I've never been inside them. | 16:10 |
waltman | MutantTurkey: Have you been to the Church Brew Works? | 16:10 |
MutantTurkey | CMU is awsome | 16:11 |
MutantTurkey | i know the dean of CS, he's a very cool guy | 16:11 |
MutantTurkey | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bryant/ | 16:11 |
waltman | http://www.churchbrew.com/ | 16:11 |
MutantTurkey | why do all professor pages no matter where you go look the same | 16:11 |
waltman | Because they all did their pages in 1997? | 16:13 |
MutantTurkey | lol basically | 16:21 |
MutantTurkey | rah | 18:45 |
MutantTurkey | with Vim can you have it always open in tabs | 18:46 |
MutantTurkey | without specifying vim -p file file2 file3 | 18:46 |
SamuraiAlba | good bacon to all! | 19:09 |
JonathanD | hey SamuraiAlba | 19:12 |
JonathanD | we missed you yesterday. | 19:12 |
JonathanD | Everyone was crying and stuff. | 19:12 |
SamuraiAlba | Sorry :( | 19:13 |
JonathanD | It's ok. | 19:13 |
SamuraiAlba | Anyone care to pick up a server, 48 port 10/100 Cisco switch, and a m0n0 firewall? | 19:13 |
JonathanD | Next ones at your house? | 19:13 |
SamuraiAlba | Free to a good organization that helps people with FOSS :) | 19:14 |
SamuraiAlba | Next one can be at my place | 19:14 |
SamuraiAlba | :) | 19:14 |
JonathanD | Hows Saturday? | 19:16 |
JonathanD | :P | 19:16 |
SamuraiAlba | sunday better :) | 19:17 |
SamuraiAlba | Will be in sicklerville on Sat | 19:17 |
JonathanD | I can't do Sundays (most of the time) | 19:17 |
SamuraiAlba | hmmm | 19:17 |
JonathanD | I wasn't serious about this sat, though | 19:17 |
SamuraiAlba | LOL | 19:17 |
JonathanD | I can't keep up that pace :p | 19:17 |
JonathanD | Besides, sadin will want to come. | 19:17 |
SamuraiAlba | If Sadin comes, he can take a server home :) | 19:17 |
sadin | I CANT O.o | 19:17 |
sadin | waaaaa | 19:18 |
* sadin packs his things | 19:18 | |
JonathanD | sadin: why can't you? | 19:18 |
sadin | How am i getting there my dad works i dont have my license yet my mom thinks people on the internet are child abductors.... | 19:18 |
sadin | :( | 19:18 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: you said the server is not that loud? | 19:18 |
SamuraiAlba | not loud at all | 19:18 |
SamuraiAlba | Dual Xeon 5120's | 19:19 |
JonathanD | moment | 19:19 |
MutantTurkey | sadin: don't worry at least your mom won't call the police on jedijf | 19:19 |
MutantTurkey | ;x | 19:19 |
* sadin cires cause he wants that server | 19:19 | |
sadin | cries* | 19:19 |
SamuraiAlba | I need a van... license plate "KIDNPR" | 19:19 |
sadin | lol | 19:19 |
JonathanD | sadin: we'll find a way :p | 19:19 |
MutantTurkey | anyone see the I_CAPE_RATS | 19:19 |
MutantTurkey | on reddit | 19:19 |
MutantTurkey | that got my laugh up | 19:19 |
SamuraiAlba | Mutu! | 19:19 |
JonathanD | We had highschool students at this last one. | 19:19 |
JonathanD | If that helps. | 19:19 |
MutantTurkey | SamuraiAlba: sup? | 19:20 |
SamuraiAlba | High school students dont taste as good as baby | 19:20 |
MutantTurkey | exactly | 19:20 |
SamuraiAlba | nm, man. What u been up to? | 19:20 |
JonathanD | I don't think sadin is a baby? | 19:20 |
MutantTurkey | us athiests love some warm babies | 19:20 |
MutantTurkey | SamuraiAlba: working at drexel doing research for the summer | 19:20 |
SamuraiAlba | Little cumin, paprika, cayenne, mandarin orange juice... | 19:20 |
MutantTurkey | don't need a server right now... have access to drexel's | 19:20 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: I'd like one for hive. | 19:20 |
JonathanD | I think they will want to trade it out for the noisy death server they have. | 19:20 |
JonathanD | and if not, I'll find a place for it to live where they can use it. | 19:21 |
SamuraiAlba | Need an vmware license set, too? | 19:21 |
SamuraiAlba | *a vmware | 19:21 |
JonathanD | ESXi is probably good enough... | 19:21 |
SamuraiAlba | yeah | 19:21 |
JonathanD | unless theres more than one. | 19:21 |
SamuraiAlba | Just need to find 6 more GB of FB-ECC DDR2 | 19:21 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: how much is in it? | 19:22 |
SamuraiAlba | 2gb | 19:22 |
SamuraiAlba | it maxes at 8 | 19:22 |
JonathanD | enough for a couple linux VMs | 19:22 |
SamuraiAlba | but still nice toy | 19:22 |
JonathanD | what the ram tech? | 19:22 |
SamuraiAlba | and if you grab two 5300 series Xeons AFTER a bios upgrade, it can do dual quads | 19:22 |
SamuraiAlba | It's FB-ECC DDR2 DIMM | 19:22 |
JonathanD | Ok. | 19:22 |
JonathanD | I may have some. | 19:22 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: is this tower form factor? | 19:23 |
SamuraiAlba | I think I can grab a poweredge 840 off my boss for free, too, but I will have to ask | 19:24 |
SamuraiAlba | Tower form BTX I think | 19:24 |
JonathanD | that would be perfect | 19:24 |
JonathanD | nestle it in a corner somewhere. | 19:24 |
JonathanD | have you been to hive? | 19:24 |
SamuraiAlba | I cant get FREE Rack ones, but I can pint you towards cheap racks, too | 19:24 |
SamuraiAlba | No I have not | 19:24 |
SamuraiAlba | what is it like? | 19:24 |
SamuraiAlba | If you want, I can drop Ubuntu 12.04 server on the tower and then add the GUI | 19:25 |
JonathanD | it's a little hackerspace. | 19:25 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: I'll do an ESXi install on it myself, probably. | 19:25 |
SamuraiAlba | okie | 19:25 |
JonathanD | We have a couple of those here. | 19:25 |
JonathanD | They're ok on network gear and stuff. | 19:25 |
JonathanD | But really you should come check it out on open house night :) | 19:25 |
SamuraiAlba | Need a Firebox X500 1.2Ghz Celly? | 19:26 |
SamuraiAlba | It has m0n0 | 19:26 |
SamuraiAlba | 1.8b | 19:26 |
JonathanD | not that I'm aware of. | 19:26 |
JonathanD | At least, not for anything foss related :P | 19:26 |
SamuraiAlba | It's running FOSS :) | 19:27 |
MutantTurkey | sigh i hate all these liberals on facebook who are arguing with these conservatives | 19:27 |
MutantTurkey | i just laugh... | 19:27 |
JonathanD | I know ,I mean, I don't know of any suitable use for it that wouldn't be completely self-serving ;) | 19:27 |
SamuraiAlba | That's bad | 19:27 |
SamuraiAlba | lol | 19:27 |
MutantTurkey | I called them both "statists" and people were like "we're not a statistic"... | 19:27 |
SamuraiAlba | They can be LOL | 19:29 |
* SamuraiAlba loads the paintball gun | 19:30 | |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: hive is a hackerspace in CC. It's a small space, lots of nifty things in it though. 3d printing, electric music on equipment built there, all sorts of things. | 19:31 |
JonathanD | a working spy hunter arcade console... | 19:31 |
SamuraiAlba | Has anyone played with http://www.sarducd.it | 19:31 |
SamuraiAlba | ? | 19:31 |
sadin | Fedora17 just pushed out yay! | 19:31 |
* sadin realizes no one cares :P | 19:32 | |
SamuraiAlba | woot? | 19:32 |
sadin | Im a fedora contributor :P | 19:32 |
SamuraiAlba | nice! | 19:32 |
MutantTurkey | sadin: artwork/ | 19:32 |
MutantTurkey | ? | 19:32 |
sadin | artwork | 19:32 |
MutantTurkey | LOL | 19:32 |
sadin | and i contribute to xfce now too | 19:33 |
MutantTurkey | artwork? | 19:33 |
sadin | MutantTurkey hmm? | 19:33 |
MutantTurkey | sadin: but really, contributing to projects is awesome | 19:33 |
MutantTurkey | what are you working on with xfce? | 19:33 |
sadin | Shimmer project building themes for xfce and i help the xubuntu design team now | 19:33 |
sadin | Maintaining the themes xubuntu uses and that anything with xfce can use really and keeping them modern. | 19:34 |
SamuraiAlba | JonathanD, cool beans | 19:34 |
SamuraiAlba | I need to stop up | 19:34 |
SamuraiAlba | when is the next open house? | 19:34 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: every weds | 19:37 |
SamuraiAlba | cool beans | 19:39 |
JonathanD | 7pm | 19:39 |
JonathanD | 9th and spring garden, or pretty near there. | 19:39 |
SamuraiAlba | which city? | 19:40 |
JonathanD | Philly. | 19:40 |
JonathanD | the only real city :P | 19:40 |
SamuraiAlba | Not Camden? | 19:41 |
waltman | hmm, maybe I can stop by there sometime in June... | 19:41 |
SamuraiAlba | Oh you meant REAL NOT CRAPPY CITY | 19:41 |
JonathanD | waltman: you should | 19:41 |
JonathanD | waltman: let me know though and I'll come down too | 19:41 |
waltman | not tomorrow. and probably not 6/27. | 19:42 |
JonathanD | I won't be there tomorrow, I don't think. | 19:42 |
JonathanD | I'm still shot from this weekend. | 19:42 |
waltman | I was shot from *last* week. I mostly just chilled and worked at home this weekend. | 19:43 |
SamuraiAlba | I chilled beer in the freezer | 19:44 |
MutantTurkey | sadin: you should get your hands dirty with code | 19:46 |
JonathanD | waltman: is the mac thing this weekend? | 19:46 |
sadin | MutantTurkey I do program with JS or Ruby | 19:47 |
sadin | sometimes PHP | 19:47 |
waltman | JonathanD: yes | 19:47 |
MutantTurkey | sadin: the xfce code is clean and nice (C) so it's good to work with | 19:47 |
sadin | cool | 19:47 |
MutantTurkey | though I quickly gave up on it. | 19:48 |
sadin | Id still use ubuntu over fedora if when i started out with linux i knew about Xubuntu | 19:49 |
MutantTurkey | use Arch. | 19:50 |
sadin | Nah... i love arch i just dont feel like it :/ | 19:51 |
sadin | besides im obligated being part of fedora and all... | 19:51 |
SamuraiAlba | JonathanD, when do you wanna swing on out to grab some hardware goodies? | 19:51 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: where? | 20:01 |
SamuraiAlba | 605 Doris Avenu Millville, NJ 08332-1403 :) | 20:01 |
MutantTurkey | IM COMING FOR YOU | 20:02 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: I have no idea :) | 20:02 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: we share a car, so it isn't always up to me. | 20:02 |
SamuraiAlba | I'll be nekkid and have the strawberry jam :) | 20:02 |
MutantTurkey | lol | 20:02 |
SamuraiAlba | and my Runescape acct was hacked MONTHS ago and I cant get it back :( | 20:03 |
SamuraiAlba | I let it lapse for a bit | 20:03 |
SamuraiAlba | and had to have the bank stop payment >.< | 20:03 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: anyway, I don't know. Bring it to hive? :p | 20:48 |
* JonathanD looks up millerivlle | 20:49 | |
SamuraiAlba | Millville :P | 20:50 |
SamuraiAlba | I would need to find a ride. | 20:50 |
SamuraiAlba | It's about 30lbs | 20:50 |
SamuraiAlba | LOL | 20:50 |
JonathanD | eeh thats far | 20:50 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: we'll get it on our way to cape may? :p | 20:53 |
JonathanD | lets do a cape may geeknic. | 20:53 |
SamuraiAlba | when will that be? | 21:01 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: whenever you plan it for? | 21:06 |
JonathanD | jedijf: hey, can us-pa put down the geeknic as thing? | 21:06 |
SamuraiAlba | We should get a geeknic going on my property or in cape may :) | 21:12 |
sadin | well my parents are kicking me off the internet in 45min because they think i need to get a life which im very angry about considering i dont play games i m actually always doing work | 21:12 |
JonathanD | my parents used to do that. | 21:13 |
SamuraiAlba | If I get kicked off, I shut off the router and take the power supply | 21:14 |
SamuraiAlba | no phones then :) | 21:14 |
SamuraiAlba | or a squid proxy time... | 21:15 |
SamuraiAlba | Blocked a whole /24 last night | 21:15 |
SamuraiAlba | Youtube | 21:15 |
sadin | SamuraiAlba no thats what they do to me. | 21:18 |
SamuraiAlba | they shut the router off and take the PSU?4 | 21:19 |
SamuraiAlba | no 4... | 21:19 |
SamuraiAlba | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=SC1430-186X2-R&cpc=RESX | 21:23 |
SamuraiAlba | specs on the poweredge | 21:23 |
sadin | Yes | 21:23 |
SamuraiAlba | O_o | 21:23 |
JonathanD | SamuraiAlba: I'm all for a cape may thing | 21:24 |
JonathanD | not sure where we could hold such a thing. | 21:24 |
SamuraiAlba | not sure either | 21:25 |
JonathanD | my sister has a condo down there but not enough yard space for.. anything | 21:26 |
SamuraiAlba | that's stinky | 21:28 |
sadin | i need to come to one of these things... | 21:28 |
SamuraiAlba | Aye | 21:28 |
SamuraiAlba | I might have a Dell Poweredge 840 Dual core Xeon server for you by then :) | 21:29 |
SamuraiAlba | Like I said, I would have to ask the boss. | 21:29 |
MutantTurkey | someone randomly depositied several hundred dollars in my account | 21:30 |
MutantTurkey | i have no legal implications correct? | 21:30 |
MutantTurkey | actually i haven't checked where it's from | 21:30 |
SamuraiAlba | check | 21:30 |
MutantTurkey | my guess ithat it's the IRS though | 21:30 |
SamuraiAlba | double check | 21:31 |
JonathanD | I put it there by accident. Please send it back. | 21:31 |
JonathanD | :D | 21:31 |
JonathanD | Later folks. | 21:31 |
SamuraiAlba | late | 21:32 |
sadin | i need to come to one of these things... | 21:33 |
SamuraiAlba | you do | 21:35 |
SamuraiAlba | If at my house (decent yard). I have about 400 feet of wifi :) | 21:35 |
JonathanD | lets do it | 21:40 |
SamuraiAlba | I'll have to clean the yard and trim things ;) It's a bit out since I've been working 2 jobs and doing 18 credit hours LOL | 21:45 |
SamuraiAlba | I have some folding tables tho | 21:46 |
SamuraiAlba | and I;ll get gas for the grill | 21:46 |
SamuraiAlba | and cheddar brats :) | 21:46 |
SamuraiAlba | LAN party, too? | 21:49 |
SamuraiAlba | Quake? | 21:50 |
SamuraiAlba | Kickin it old skewl | 21:50 |
MutantTurkey | peace boys | 21:51 |
MutantTurkey | and ladies | 21:51 |
JonathanD | Quake yard party. | 22:25 |
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