| mlankhorst | bryceh/raof: Any luck in breaking things? It was meant for testing the renamed stack so no point in keeping it up publicly if it's not being broken ;) | 06:18 |
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| tjaalton | yesterday was the memorial day in the US, so bryce at least was doing something more fun I hope :) | 06:18 |
| mlankhorst | ah kk | 06:19 |
| RAOF | Ah, that's why no one was around? | 06:19 |
| mlankhorst | i guess so, it was some holiday in netherlands too but it was too warm so i just worked and will probably work less for the rest of the week to compensate :P | 06:20 |
| tjaalton | getting chilly up here :/ | 06:21 |
| mlankhorst | i wanted to bike 45 km, but it was too hot so some other time this week I will :) | 06:22 |
| tjaalton | i'm looking for a new bike, but can't decide between a cyclocross or a roadrace model :) | 06:25 |
| tjaalton | should probably just go and try them out | 06:25 |
| bryceh | yes, this weekend went to the Oregon beach near Astoria with bdmurray, kees, slangasek & families and drank whiskey, played House on Haunted Hill, Small World, other assorted games. Oh and built a Star Wars puzzle. And watched bdmurray's boys fish and row around on the lake. | 06:26 |
| bryceh | whatever work that got done was accidental :-) | 06:26 |
| tjaalton | i saw some emails by slangasek ;) | 06:27 |
| bryceh | he did sneak off with his laptop a few times | 06:27 |
| bryceh | fun weekend though in any case. I think I won 80% of the games. :-) | 06:29 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, btw I did chat with slangasek a bit about the debian versioning on the xorg packages for the lts | 06:30 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: what games | 06:31 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: re games; you're a pro ;) | 06:31 |
| tjaalton | cullaby lake? | 06:32 |
| bryceh | he agreed that while the minor versioning issue by debian seems valid, since we've not needed to use it so far, it's something we can probably safely ignore for our purposes. | 06:32 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 06:32 |
| tjaalton | we'll cut corners anyway | 06:32 |
| tjaalton | also, we can minimize the backported list of drivers to the ones we care, and which get new hw support (video; ati, intel, nouveau, maybe openchrome. input; evdev, synaptics, wacom..) | 06:34 |
| mlankhorst | is this for lts backports? | 06:34 |
| tjaalton | although, if the .2 install media will have only the backported set it won't work | 06:34 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: It's less work to do all the drivers than only some specific drivers | 06:35 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: ok then :) | 06:36 |
| tjaalton | and it's probably true | 06:37 |
| mlankhorst | it is true, most drivers run flawlessly through the rename script | 06:37 |
| mlankhorst | special casing in xserver-xorg-video-all and input-all is more complex | 06:37 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: btw, are you into scifi strategy games? there's a new (finnish) game called Eclipse.. I know the artist :) | 06:37 |
| mlankhorst | if you've seen the rules of most drivers, they're so simple it incurs no extra cost | 06:38 |
| tjaalton | yep | 06:38 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: Has it won the Kennerspiel des Jahres yet? :) | 06:38 |
| RAOF | This is basically my threshold for consideration. | 06:39 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: hehe, don't think it has done that yet | 06:39 |
| tjaalton | but the ratings are good http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/72125/eclipse | 06:40 |
| mlankhorst | anyhow, i guess ill try to see if i can break the stack one more time then get some work done :) | 06:40 |
| tjaalton | (looks like it's in stock now.. should probably get it though I've noone to play it with :) | 06:41 |
| bryceh | "cullaby lake" - yes, our house had a boat landing on it, the kids went out in canoes and paddle boats on it fishing | 06:46 |
| bryceh | scifi strategy games - totally into that. will have to check out eclipse | 06:46 |
| tjaalton | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4LevjuhYqc&feature=player_embedded | 06:46 |
| tjaalton | "thematic rank: 1" | 06:47 |
| bryceh | http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/72125/eclipse | 06:47 |
| tjaalton | yep | 06:48 |
| bryceh | what games - small world (awesome! highly recommended). Betrayal at House on the Hill - fun. Impossible Machine, Word on the Street, Ticket to Ride: Europe, Bohnanza, Gardens of Alhambra. Others also played Apples to Apples, Settlers of Catan, Guillotine, Ricochet Robots. | 06:51 |
| bryceh | 900 pieces!! | 06:55 |
| tjaalton | yeah it has a few components | 07:05 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh/raof: Seems I can install xserver-xorg-dev or xserver-xorg-dev-lts-backport-quantal with the renamed stack, is this a feature or a bug? :P | 07:52 |
| RAOF | mlankhorst: I think that's indicative of a bug? Those two packages should have file conflicts? | 07:52 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: i cant install it at the same time | 07:52 |
| RAOF | Oh, no. You can install one or the other? Yeah, that should be ok. | 07:52 |
| mlankhorst | i can just install the old one atop the new stack | 07:53 |
| RAOF | I don't think that's a problem. | 07:53 |
| RAOF | It's possibly even a feature. | 07:53 |
| mlankhorst | probably | 07:54 |
| mlankhorst | but makes it annoying if anything depends on xorg-dev since it will prefer to pick the unrenamed one by default | 08:01 |
| mlankhorst | oh, seems libxatracker and libglu are not pulled in by default.. | 08:04 |
| RAOF | By what? | 08:04 |
| RAOF | Only the vmware DDX depends on xatracker, right? | 08:05 |
| mlankhorst | if i switch stacks they're happy to stay unrenamed | 08:05 |
| jcristau | libGLU hasn't changed in like 10 years | 08:05 |
| RAOF | Has that been split out of mesa yet? | 08:06 |
| mlankhorst | not sure | 08:06 |
| jcristau | i think not | 08:06 |
| mlankhorst | glw was | 08:06 |
| mlankhorst | but if vmware depends on xatracker, hmm.. | 08:07 |
| mlankhorst | yeah libxatracker1 | 08:07 |
| mlankhorst | do we care enough to force it to depend on the renamed version? | 08:08 |
| RAOF | libxatracker is built from mesa, right? | 08:08 |
| RAOF | I think we do care. | 08:08 |
| mlankhorst | ok | 08:08 |
| mlankhorst | in that case I'll update the mapping file :) | 08:09 |
| mlankhorst | hopefully that will fix shlibs depends automatically, else I'll add a vmware specific hack | 08:09 |
| mlankhorst | oh right, it would fix things | 08:20 |
| mlankhorst | ok xserver-xorg-lts-backport-quantal seems to work, it pulls in everything except libglu-mesa1, which we may or may not care about :) | 09:16 |
| * RAOF is firmly in the "not care" group | 09:23 | |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: yeah, but it might be useful for the cd, shrug. | 09:23 |
| mlankhorst | should I try to see if I can make an image with all the non-renamed packages removed? | 09:24 |
| RAOF | That'd be a good test. | 09:25 |
| mlankhorst | hm how is the livecd usually mastered? the documentation i find only mentions modify existing images | 09:29 |
| RAOF | mlankhorst: I have no idea; cjwatson or pitti would be the best candidates, I think. | 09:45 |
| mlankhorst | Otherwise I won't bother, seems it ought to work because I can install the renamed x stack and restart lightdm with it. I bet it's just copying root to a new place | 09:51 |
| mlankhorst | which would mean a boot test would be just as much validation :) | 09:56 |
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| mlankhorst | do we care about the downgrade path? eg remove quantal after install | 10:36 |
| mlankhorst | the replaces make those fun | 10:48 |
| mlankhorst | cant really think of an easy way to do it safely, even | 10:56 |
| RAOF | We generally do not support package downgrades; I don't think it's tremendously important to support it here. | 11:01 |
| mlankhorst | ok good | 11:05 |
| mlankhorst | else you can very easily end up with a broken system due to replaces | 11:05 |
| Azelphur | I'm having an issue with wine, nvidia and 64bit, I spoke to the wine people and they say I don't have the 32bit compatibility libs for my driver, which is causing wine to fall back to using an ancient OpenGL version, yet I have ia32-libs installed. Any ideas? | 11:08 |
| RAOF | Azelphur: Which driver? nouveau or nvidia-current? | 11:17 |
| Azelphur | nvidia-current (x-swat) | 11:17 |
| Azelphur | I found a wine forum post on the subject, http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=15537 | 11:17 |
| RAOF | That ships the 32bit libs itself; ia32-libs is not necessary. | 11:17 |
| RAOF | (for libGL; the rest of ia32-libs is needed, unless you're on Precise, where multiarch works) | 11:17 |
| Azelphur | I'm on precise | 11:18 |
| RAOF | As you see on the bug, it's not actually a driver problem. | 11:19 |
| Azelphur | ah, I'm still reading through it all trying to figure it out | 11:20 |
| RAOF | Looks like it's common-or-garden wine bug. | 11:20 |
| Azelphur | haha, the wine thread says it's a ubuntu bug xD | 11:20 |
| RAOF | It also applies to intel (I see it, although it doesn't affect anything I actually use). | 11:21 |
| Azelphur | \o/ | 11:21 |
| Azelphur | YAY, Bug report on launchpad workaround works | 11:22 |
| Azelphur | echo 0|sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope <-- this is what fixes my issues \o/ | 11:23 |
| Azelphur | looks like scott richie is working on that issue, so all good, :) | 11:23 |
| RAOF | Seriously, that's it? | 11:28 |
| Azelphur | yes, it causes CS:GO to crash on startup for me | 11:28 |
| Azelphur | wine is still complaining about GL_VERSION stuff not working, but at least my game works now :D | 11:28 |
| RAOF | What crazy reason does wine have to ptrace a non-child to determine GL capabilities? | 11:28 |
| Azelphur | no, I apparently have two separate issues that I thought were connected | 11:29 |
| RAOF | Ah. | 11:29 |
| Azelphur | CS:GO wouldn't start, I assumed because of wine complaining about OpenGL issues | 11:29 |
| Azelphur | but CS:GO turned out to not start because of that | 11:29 |
| Azelphur | I still have the opengl issue, but at least my game works now :) | 11:29 |
| RAOF | In which case I exclaim: what crazy reason do they have for ptracing a non-child process :) | 11:29 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* | 11:30 |
| Azelphur | http://pastebin.com/36P7d3KU is wines complaints about my OpenGL, should you be interested :) | 11:30 |
| mlankhorst | sforshee: it arrived :) | 14:27 |
| sforshee | mlankhorst, that was fast | 14:28 |
| sforshee | enjoy :) | 14:28 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, lts upgrade successful (although found a couple typos(?) in your directions | 19:05 |
| mlankhorst | ..¿ | 19:07 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, posted to list | 19:11 |
| mlankhorst | oh woops typo :P | 19:12 |
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