[05:25] <micahg> ochosi: will look at scrollback
[06:14] <ochosi> micahg: hey, so a quick summary of the proposed changes for gmb in debian/ubuntu:
[06:14] <ochosi> 1) remove mpg321/ogg123/flac123 from depends
[06:14] <ochosi> 2) move libgstreamer-perl from recommends to depends
[06:14] <ochosi> 3) add libintl-perl to recommends (or depends)
[06:14] <ochosi> (mpg321 recommands libaudio-scrobbler-perl which depends on  libwww-perl which depends on lots of perl libraries that are  not used by gmb)
[06:15] <ochosi> micahg: ^
[06:18] <micahg> all sounds fine
[06:19] <ochosi> micahg: ok cool, would you forward that?
[06:19] <micahg> forward where?
[06:20] <ochosi> to the debian maintainer
[06:20] <ochosi> or wait, are you the debian maintainer? :)
[06:22] <micahg> alessio's been making the changes as of late and I still don't have a key in alioth
[06:22] <ochosi> ok, are you in touch with him or shall i try to get a hold of him?
[06:25] <micahg> you can probably reach him in #debian-multimedia on oftc
[06:26] <ochosi> ok, thanks, i'll try that
[06:27] <ochosi> micahg: his nick is simply alessio?
[06:27] <micahg> yeah
[06:27] <ochosi> ok, thanks, i'll try to hang in there :)
[06:28] <ochosi> are you very busy atm? i have a xubuntu packaging question
[06:42]  * micahg isn't feeling well and about to go to bed
[06:42] <ochosi> oh, in that case it can wait
[06:42] <ochosi> get well again soon!
[09:16] <astraljava> ochosi: The changes for gmb are done.
[09:16] <ochosi> astraljava: you mean in debian?
[09:16] <astraljava> Yup.
[09:17] <ochosi> alessio was kind enough to send me an email about it :)
[09:17] <astraljava> He rawks.
[09:17] <ochosi> but thanks :)
[09:17] <ochosi> astraljava: do you feel like coding a bit?
[09:18] <astraljava> Later this evening, sure. I'm on support duty at work, so can't do it until I get spare time.
[09:19] <ochosi> sure, no hurry
[09:19] <astraljava> What did you have in mind?
[09:19] <ochosi> i was just generally thinking about the video-player for xubuntu roadmap item again...
[09:19] <astraljava> Ok.
[09:19] <ochosi> and i'm afraid that audience will not be a perfect choice due to the clutter-dependency
[09:19] <ochosi> it's not very smooth on all computers
[09:19] <ochosi> and i'm not sure we really want that
[09:20] <ochosi> so there are several courses of action
[09:20] <astraljava> Right, I have no experience but I'll take your word on it.
[09:20] <ochosi> well, even with my nvidia card i didn't have a 100% smooth experience
[09:20] <ochosi> so i don't even wanna think about people without dedicated graphics
[09:21] <astraljava> Sounds sub-optimal.
[09:21] <ochosi> one course of action is to improve parole
[09:21] <ochosi> it's not _that_ bad, but it desperately needs an interface-refresh
[09:21] <ochosi> or we can look for alternatives
[09:21] <ochosi> no clue whether this would be interesting for u-studio guys as well
[09:22] <astraljava> Totem has been there, I believe, but we could talk. I just use vlc.
[09:22] <ochosi> vlc is not an option due to qt
[09:23] <astraljava> I know, and will not try to get it as a default app.
[09:23] <ochosi> and totem, well, i haven't looked at the dependencies yet
[09:23] <astraljava> But it's something I always install, along with chrome, vim and t-bird. :)
[09:24] <ochosi> mhm
[09:24] <ochosi> yeah, vlc is maybe the best media player out there
[09:24] <astraljava> I'm afraid totem is not very fitting for us.
[09:24] <astraljava> But yeah, who knows.
[09:24] <ochosi> yeah, personally i'd rather not use totem...
[09:26] <ochosi> problem with refreshing parole is that its code uses an ancient version of glade
[09:26] <ochosi> i'm not proficient in these things, but it might even be that a rewrite is better :/
[09:27] <astraljava> Probably. I've used glade a small eternity ago. :)
[09:28] <ochosi> so anyway, i don't know what would be more work. what i somehow would prefer would be a tiny, yet functional player in gtk3/vala
[09:28] <ochosi> or c
[09:29] <astraljava> Well I wouldn't write another player myself, but I'm willing to enhance an existing one that we'd choose to promote.
[09:30] <astraljava> There's already way too much "from scratch" mentality in the linux community. :)
[09:30] <ochosi> yeah, i agree
[09:30] <ochosi> i mean porting parole would be just as good :)
[09:30] <Unit193> And a lot of forking...
[09:31] <ochosi> i already made several mockups for how i would simplify its UI
[09:31] <laite> how do you feel about some mplayer-interfaces? e.g. gnome-mplayer
[09:32] <astraljava> ochosi: I could go with that, sounds good if you have existing plans already.
[09:32] <ochosi> astraljava: yes, it's not that i dislike parole, i actually use it every now and then.
[09:32] <ochosi> laite: haven't really used them yet
[09:34] <ochosi> laite: i'm wondering though why it _depends_ on ligpod
[09:35] <laite> personally I use mainly smplayer, due to it's ability to search subtitles (with good success rate) straight from program
[09:35] <laite> it's qt-based
[09:36] <Unit193> qt was part of the reason to cut out VLC.
[09:36] <knome> Qt is not happening, really
[09:51] <ochosi> astraljava: this is/was the plan: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui
[09:51] <ochosi> astraljava: there were also actual mockups of parole's UI, not just the textual description
[09:53] <knome> "were"?
[09:53] <ochosi> well, they're not in the xfce wiki for some reason, although i thought they were there
[09:53] <knome> :|
[09:53] <ochosi> so maybe they got removed or something
[09:53] <ochosi> i dunno
[09:53] <ochosi> i should still have them at home
[09:53] <ochosi> and i still know what i had in mind, so no biggy
[09:53] <knome> heh
[09:57] <laite> is there no option for having subtitles in parole?
[09:58] <laite> doesn't matter for me so much, but might be an issue to some
[09:59] <ochosi> yeah, it's not 100% feature-complete
[10:03] <ochosi> bbl
[10:41] <astraljava> ochosi: Thanks, I'll ask for the mock-ups when I get to actual implementation phase.
[11:08] <bluesabre-laptop> astraljava:  I look forward to testing that!  Especially if you get subtitle support working'
[11:47] <ochosi> astraljava: cool, i'll take a quick look whether i can find the mockup/s
[11:51] <ochosi> astraljava: ok, uploaded one of the mockups to the xfce design wiki page: https://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui
[11:53] <laite> that looks really nice =)
[11:53] <ochosi> thanks
[11:54] <ochosi> it's just a cleanup, nothing special ;)
[16:08] <knome> the xubuntu blueprints are being handled by skaet right now
[16:08] <knome> mr_pouit, ^
[16:40] <mr_pouit> yep, my mailbox agrees :P
[16:40] <mr_pouit> thanks ;-)
[16:40] <knome> np
[19:01]  * knome just added a lot of work items for the blueprints, please add more if you think something obvious is missing (if you are unsure of the assignee, set a team, like xubuntu-art, as the assignee, or if you are still unsure, set xubuntu-team)
[19:04] <knome> madnick, what's the status of the lightdm settings gui?
[19:10] <madnick> knome: hm, the gui exists, some functionality exists, but iirc its rather incomplete in terms of config getting
[19:10] <knome> madnick, do you think it's realistic to get that done for q?
[19:10] <knome> madnick, i mean, should i just repostpone, or should we try?
[19:10] <madnick> its probably the easiest thing to do (if they have not changed it entirely)
[19:10] <madnick> of all the things
[19:11] <knome> madnick, also, look at the "new plymouth/lightdm theme" -blueprints
[19:11] <knome> and add any items you see fit
[19:11] <knome> or that you need from others
[19:11] <knome> okay, then let's keep the work items for now
[19:11] <madnick> will do
[19:11] <knome> thanks
[19:11] <madnick> who will provide art btw?
[19:11] <madnick> ochosi?
[19:11] <knome> i added xubuntu-art for that
[19:11] <knome> so ochosi or me probably
[19:11] <madnick> okay
[19:12] <knome> you can use the xubuntu-art team for artwork stuff where you are unsure
[19:13] <madnick> You (i think) was talking about just modifying the ubuntu greeter?
[19:13] <madnick> unity greeter*
[19:13] <knome> umm, i was talking about maintaining that in addition ;]
[19:14] <madnick> hehe
[19:14] <knome> i think it was ochosi if you have talked about just modifying that
[19:14] <madnick> ah okay
[19:14] <knome> but that's not the most important thing
[19:14] <knome> we can sort that out later
[19:14] <knome> we need to get the work items in shape for thursday
[19:14] <knome> so we are able to track progess more meaningfully
[19:14] <knome> plus, that's the feature definition freeze day
[19:14] <knome> ;)
[19:15] <knome> i don't think we will be completely done, but it's good to at least try
[19:15] <knome> (that's why i'm on the blueprints/work items now!)
[19:16] <madnick> you know the greeter theme for 8.04?
[19:16] <madnick> I sorta like the simplicity of that
[19:17] <knome> http://www.screenshots-archive.com/files/images/02_logon_screen_0.png that?
[19:17] <knome> or are you maybe referring to http://www.generation-linux.fr/public/avr09/gdm_xubuntu.png ?
[19:17] <knome> i'd love something like the latter (again) !
[19:18] <knome> [knome] take more nature-photograps: TODO
[19:18] <knome> ;)
[19:18] <madnick> i was talking about the first one, but the second one is even better in simplicity (if one centers that menu)
[19:18] <knome> i'm running out
[19:18] <madnick> top menu
[19:19] <knome> i don't think anything should be necessarily centered
[19:19] <knome> but we can look at that :)
[19:19] <madnick> hehe
[19:20] <madnick> i have tons of pictures i took when i was flying helicopter up in the mountains up north
[19:21] <madnick> but they are poor quality, good res tho, if one manipulated them, it might look good
[19:21] <madnick> think 12mp camera
[19:33] <knome> madnick, bad quality doesn't matter really
[19:33] <knome> madnick, i can give you an example later today
[19:33] <knome> bbl
[19:37] <sadin> knome Fedora17 just pushed out!
[19:37] <sadin> im upgrading then getting back to work on the icons for you :D
[19:58] <knome> sadin, congrats
[20:50] <knome> micahg, ?