[00:24] <nuntius> OIC
[02:05] <dbenson> hi all
[02:05] <GridCube> !hi | dbenson
[02:06] <dbenson> maybe a dumb question (if so, sorry) but how can I select two or more folders and find out how much space they are taking on the drive?
[02:06] <dbenson> xfce...
[02:07] <GridCube> mmhm
[02:07] <GridCube> i don't know
[02:07] <GridCube> you can do it with one folder at each time
[02:08] <dbenson> is there a better place to ask?
[02:08] <GridCube> :) yes
[02:08] <dbenson> ah
[02:09] <GridCube> lol i understood "is this the best place to ask"
[02:09] <dbenson> oh...
[02:09] <GridCube> just have some patience
[02:09] <dbenson> okay...  so I did find the right place...  I'm new to irc...
[02:09] <GridCube> :D
[02:10] <ruien> I'm not sure how to do it in the file manager (Thunar), unfortunately. Usually I just right-click, do "Open Terminal Here", and then "du -hs folder1 folder2 folder3"
[02:11] <ruien> sorry, "du -hsc"
[02:12] <GridCube> :D thats pretty neat ruien
[02:12] <ruien> :)
[02:13] <dbenson> wow...  just tried it, that will work!
[02:14] <dbenson> i don't need to do this often enough for it to ruin my day so this is perfect...
[02:14] <ruien> to get a quick list of the sizes just do "du -hs *"
[02:27] <dbenson> hey, I was just reading that thunar can be extended (like send-to)... how hard would it be to create an extension around ruien's tip?
[02:42] <GridCube> :D
[02:42] <GridCube> dbenson, ruien
[02:42] <GridCube> :D
[02:43] <ruien> ?
[02:43] <GridCube> i made a costum action
[02:43] <GridCube> to do du -hsc
[02:43] <GridCube> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-280512-234258.php
[02:43] <GridCube> du -hsc %F | zenity --list --title "Tamaño" --text "Tamaño total de los archivos seleccionados" --column "tamaño | carpeta"
[02:43] <GridCube> :D
[02:44] <ruien> wow that was fast
[02:44] <GridCube> :3
[02:45] <GridCube> it works pretty nice
[02:45] <ruien> yes, I didn't know about zenity
[02:45] <GridCube> i just found about it XD
[02:47] <GridCube> :D love it, it works pretty nice
[02:47] <ruien> yes, it works perfectly
[02:47] <ruien> I just added it
[02:47] <GridCube> :D
[02:48] <GridCube> (you can change the text to other language not spañish if you want ;) )
[02:48] <ruien> du -hsc %F | zenity --list --title "Total" --text "Total of selected archives" --column "total | file"
[02:48] <ruien> yeah
[02:49] <GridCube> i marked it to work with everything on the second tab
[02:49] <GridCube> :D
[02:49] <GridCube> so it can measure files aswel
[02:51] <GridCube> dbenson, :D
[04:49] <xubuntu641> Hey everyone, will this run better with a IBM 2005 R51 then Ubuntu?
[04:50] <xubuntu641> .
[04:50] <xubuntu641> Hello?
[04:54] <chelz> xubuntu641: you should test :)
[05:03] <ICWeiner> Can someone help me with Runescape in Wine?
[05:06] <Unit193> Runescape in wine? Runescape is a browser game that just requires java.  Can you also /nick logankemp?
[05:07] <logankemp> there
[05:07] <Unit193> Thanks.  Do you already have "openjdk"?
[05:08] <logankemp> I think so
[05:08] <Unit193> So it should run.
[05:09] <astraljava> Browser plugin missing?
[05:12] <astraljava> Ahh... is it bundled in nowadays? I couldn't find any packages with the usual keywords.
[05:12] <Unit193> astraljava: I may have forgotten icedtea, yep.
[05:13] <astraljava> icedtea6-plugin is in suggests, true.
[05:18] <xubuntu688> hi, we are looking to get some commercial support on 10.04 and 12.04
[05:19] <Unit193> astraljava: Not it, so you're up.
[05:20] <xubuntu688> we are really sure canonical is the right choice. does anyone have any info on them?
[05:20] <chelz> xubuntu688: at the bottom of http://xubuntu.org/help/ it has a "Commercial Support" section
[05:21] <Unit193> Well, there's their site, but you're looking to get Xubuntu support?
[05:21] <xubuntu688> smiles.. thats canonical
[05:22] <xubuntu688> we are looking for a group that can support our servers on an ongoing basis in an isp environment so we can focus on our business
[05:22] <xubuntu688> we have about 20 servers online currently
[05:23] <chelz> xubuntu688: hm that's a bit more than support. that's more like system administration
[05:24] <xubuntu688> yes it is. we have been doing all of our sys admin for the last 10 years. looking to get out of it or find someone to join our team i guess
[05:24] <xubuntu688> pretty much open to a solution that lets us focus on our business
[05:25] <ruien> You can always contact canonical to see if they offer anything like that (http://www.ubuntu.com/business/services/contact), but you may be better off just hiring a good sysadmin
[05:26] <xubuntu688> has anyone here set up the sftp with proftpd on 12.04 yet? i do have some direct questions about this if anyone is up to it?
[05:26] <chelz> that contact page can get you a free assessment for canonical cloud offerings, also could ask about consulting towards hiring sys admins
[05:26] <xubuntu688> thks ruien for the link
[05:27] <xubuntu688> thats a good idea chelz!  I will follow up with that for sure
[05:28] <ruien> depending on your needs, you could always go with a shared webhost, so you don't need to actually do the sysadmin (no root access) but can still build and install stuff in your home directory
[05:30] <xubuntu688> ach! we host a lot of domains, i dont think the shared web host thing is a economically viable for us
[05:30] <xubuntu688> we have our own rack space in Canada
[05:31] <xubuntu688> seems everyone is ducking the proftpd thing.  im not surprised. its not working out for me either :)
[05:32] <dbenson> ruien and gridcube: THANK YOU!!  I just got back from the store and saw the custom action you wrote for showing folder/file sizes in Thunar and it is awesome!
[05:33] <xubuntu688> ok guys.. thanks.. i thought i would take a poke in here and see what came of it.
[05:33] <Unit193> I just use (s)ftp terminal command, and ssh/scp for server part. :P
[05:33] <chelz> xubuntu688: if you have a specific issue you could ask about that
[05:34] <chelz> xubuntu688: there are jobs boards on places like stackexchange where pretty good sysadmins probably would look
[05:34] <xubuntu688> ok chelz,, heres the problem.  i have set up a test 12.04 and installed the binary pkg proftpd that is supposedly bundled with mysql and the sftp
[05:35] <xubuntu688> i have no problem getting it to talk to my db server to auth but when i add the mod_sftp it craps out on a lot of errors that no one seems to have posted about
[05:35] <chelz> xubuntu688: did you install from the repos?
[05:35] <xubuntu688> yes
[05:37] <chelz> xubuntu688: this might be a bit more #ubuntu-server oriented btw
[05:38] <xubuntu688> it almost seems that on the proftp.org site that all of setup in the proftpd.conf is virtual server based for each user?  it seems to me there should be a single <ifmod> for the sftp and that it should be able to work off the mysql db of users for auth
[05:38] <ruien> xubuntu688: which port(s) does it listen on?
[05:38] <xubuntu688> yes its definitely server issues..i appologize in advance if im in the wrong place?
[05:38] <xubuntu688> 22
[05:39] <ruien> so, you're not running an SSH server?
[05:39] <xubuntu688> sshd is on 2202
[05:39] <ruien> ah, i see
[05:39] <ruien> quick question: why did you decide against the normal solution of using SSH on 22 plus an sftp-only shell for FTP users?
[05:39] <chelz> xubuntu688: i only mention that as you might get people familiar with proftpd there
[05:40] <ruien> /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server
[05:40] <xubuntu688> its the recommended solution on proftpd.org
[05:41] <xubuntu688> ruien? yes sftp-sever is there..thats part of ssh right?
[05:42] <ruien> well that is like reading a sichuan chinese cookbook and seeing that the recommended breakfast is spicy noodles. yes, if you look on the proftpd page you'll get a proftpd solution :) but the normal solution is to put SSH on port 22 and then give the /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server shell to the users who should only have SFTP access and no SSH access.
[05:42] <ruien> and that is why none of us are familiar with proftpd
[05:42] <xubuntu688> if thats what you are refering to it only support 'real' users.. we have hundreds of users that have to be supported from a db
[05:42] <ruien> also for normal ftp I think vsftpd is more common
[05:43] <xubuntu688> let me google that one
[05:44] <xubuntu688> vsftpd does look interesting
[05:44] <ruien> hm, well if proftpd supports using authentication from the MySQL user list then maybe you are correct and it is the correct solution. But i'm not so sure that any package really supports that right out of the box
[05:45] <ruien> what we do on our systems is create a separate linux user for each customer, then would make a mysql user for each one too..
[05:45] <ruien> that way they stay in sync and you can use the normal /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server too
[05:46] <ruien> then we use vsfptd for port 21 ftp and that's the whole solution for us
[05:48] <xubuntu688> i thought about that ruien.  it may be we have no choice.. you know its funny how back in the day we gave everybody a shell ..then the community turned against that for security reasons.. now with some of the security solutions like suexec we are back to puting real users on the box.. scarey huh?
[05:49] <ruien> we give everyone a shell, and then allow them to create separate SSH and/or SFTP users. Hasn't ever been a problem as long as you have a guy (or two) who focus on watching security every day. It comes with the job
[05:49] <ruien> so, yeah
[05:50] <xubuntu688> thats  a big job when you have hundreds of users.  we currently have about 500 sites with ftp access
[05:51] <ruien> but back to your task-at-hand, authenticating via MySQL, it shouldn't be that hard. Have you considered just making some python glue layer to turn the mysql username thing into something like /etc/passwd ?
[05:51] <ruien> yes it's a big job, but it scales well. We have 20000 users but the work in keeping stuff updated isn't much worse than 500 users.
[05:51] <ruien> you have stuff like adminbot and fabric
[05:52] <xubuntu688> yes we could do that, even with php.. ok i think i have a couple of ideas ruien.  just a quick question .. do you guys chroot your apache?
[05:53] <ruien> no, we use php-as-cgi with suexec
[05:53] <ruien> but not everything uses apache. In fact, most applications will have a private apache or mod_wsgi in the user's home directory
[05:53] <ruien> then the front-end server just uses a proxypass to send requests to that
[05:53] <ruien> so, it's really safe
[05:54] <xubuntu688> we went thru hell getting that to work.. lol.. wow that is interesting.. we never thought of doing anything like a private apache.. how does that work? doesnt it have port issues?
[05:54] <xubuntu688> sorry i really feel like a newb
[05:55] <ruien> no, not at all, it's trivial
[05:56] <ruien> build a local mod_wsgi like this: http://community.webfaction.com/questions/8936/installing-apache-242-with-mod_wsgi-33
[05:56] <ruien> apache is even easier - it's just one ./configure --prefix=$HOME/myapache
[05:57] <ruien> at first you'd think that it's some really huge problem to have many users running a separate apache but really it's never once been a problem in 7 years for us
[05:58] <astraljava> Unit193: I'm up, for what?
[05:58] <astraljava> That's the package openjdk7-jre suggests. I don't know any better.
[05:59] <Unit193> astraljava: Joke, about official support and me knowing nothing.
[05:59] <chelz> commercial support*
[05:59] <astraljava> Sure. :)
[05:59] <chelz> money must exchange hands, dirty money
[06:00] <xubuntu688> ok I will go read ruien.. you have given me some ideas that i will need to research
[06:00] <chelz> also change hands, i need slepd
[06:00] <ruien> sure, but like the others i'd say you might as well just hire one sysadmin guy. Probably cheaper too :)
[06:00] <ruien> have a good one
[06:00] <xubuntu688> i will put the vsftpd on one or our test boxes this afternoon here
[06:01] <xubuntu688> by the way im working out of our SE Asia office but we are based in Canada
[06:01] <xubuntu688> take care
[06:01] <ruien> take care
[06:07] <theuser> having a bunch of issues with xubuntu
[06:08] <ruien> sure, what's up?
[06:08] <theuser> well first of all and most pressing
[06:08] <theuser> is that after upgrade to 12.4
[06:08] <theuser> i was able to log in a few times
[06:09] <theuser> but on the 3rd reboot
[06:09] <theuser> for no obvious reason
[06:09] <theuser> i just get an empty screen
[06:09] <theuser> well the background from the login manager
[06:09] <theuser> but nothing else
[06:09] <theuser> i created a blank user
[06:09] <theuser> and i can loginto the new user account just fine
[06:10] <theuser> so must be dingy config file
[06:10] <theuser> or something like that
[06:10] <theuser> ?
[06:10] <theuser> a nother issue is first time i try to open the file manager after login
[06:11] <theuser> it takes about 30 seconds before i get a window
[06:11] <theuser> + a error message about some conection failure
[06:11] <theuser> to something
[06:11] <ruien> okay, I might have a solution for both, but worst case just a solution for one
[06:12] <ruien> as your main user which cannot log in, if you do Ctrl-Alt-F1 and use the terminal, can he log in okay manually?
[06:12] <theuser> thats how i made the new user
[06:12] <theuser> wich can log in just fine in xdm
[06:12] <ruien> hm yeah
[06:12] <theuser> seems the problem occurs after its handed over to the windowmanage
[06:13] <theuser> or xfce
[06:13] <theuser> if you will
[06:13] <ruien> when you try to log in, and it freezes, at that point where it's frozen can you still switch to Ctrl-Alt_F1 and log in, or does the system completely freeze as if by a kernel panic
[06:13] <theuser> no panic
[06:13] <theuser> just its like the xfce handover fails
[06:14] <theuser> xdm login disapears as it shoul
[06:14] <theuser> shoul
[06:14] <theuser> should
[06:14] <ruien> hm, okay, if you do that, then you get root and do "service lightdm stop" and "service lightdm start", any success?
[06:15] <theuser> let me try
[06:16] <chelz> heh
[06:16] <chelz> i think it works
[06:20] <theuser> crazy shit
[06:20] <theuser> so i log out of this user to log in to the user that produce the problme
[06:20] <theuser> problem
[06:21] <theuser> and first attempt it works
[06:21] <theuser> so i log back out
[06:21] <theuser> and in again
[06:21] <theuser> the i get the same problem again
[06:21] <theuser> so i stop the display manager
[06:21] <theuser> and it wont start
[06:22] <chelz> theuser: do you get an error message?
[06:23] <chelz> that could be good
[06:23] <theuser> not in the terminal
[06:23] <chelz> to find out what's really wrong
[06:23] <theuser> it gets compleetly unresponsive for 10sec
[06:23] <theuser> then i get some message about the dm is running with pid....
[06:24] <theuser> sometimes i really miss the slack w/windowmaker   setup i use to run back in the day
[06:24] <chelz> theuser: that could be the error
[06:25] <theuser> seems with these "modern" systems thers always something
[06:26] <theuser> i think all this new "hip" ways of doing things dont always work as they were intended
[06:27] <theuser> so best way to fix is with a hammer or hacksaw?
[06:32] <ruien> theuser: while we're here, go ahead and fix your file manager (thunar) with http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=15792.0
[06:32] <ruien> that takes a couple of seconds and should work
[06:32] <ruien> then test it and let me know if it's good
[06:33] <xwalk> I'm running into a problem that is causing the audio with youtube videos to layer. Sometimes I hear two different instances of the same video being played, and when I pause the video audio keeps going even though the video itself is stopped.
[06:34] <xwalk> I don't know anything about Linux audio, so this may be a simple fix.
[06:34] <chelz> ruien: is that thunar thing a bug that applies to xubuntu 12.04?
[06:35] <ruien> yes, but i'm not sure if it's technically a bug.
[06:35] <ruien> it's definitely unwanted behavior
[06:35] <ruien> but it could be working as designed.
[06:35] <chelz> hmm
[06:36] <ruien> I had to do it on both my desktop and on my netbook (same issue, same xubuntu 12.04)
[06:36] <chelz> since maybe an update should go out that fixes that or something. i know i don't want stuff slow by default
[06:36] <chelz> ah
[06:36] <chelz> is there any list of caveats like that for xubuntu?
[06:37] <ruien> no, that's the only one I know of. Also - well - it's slow because it's trying to discover some network drive thing. So that might disable network drive discovery and that's not a better default
[06:37] <ruien> well it is a better default for 90% of the people but it leaves the last 10% really confused
[06:38] <chelz> hmm i guess i prefer efficiency over 'magically working'
[06:39] <ruien> documentation would be good. For example, Xubuntu notes, one being "Network drive discovery in Thunar is disabled by default; to enable it, change the AutoMount option in /usr/share/gvfs/mounts/network.mount"
[06:39] <ruien> that would solve both problems
[06:40] <chelz> yeah
[06:43] <theuser> ok so the filemanager is not dicking with me anymore now
[06:43] <theuser> and the login issue seems to be gone for now
[06:44] <theuser> but there is a whole bunch of minor glitches all through out
[06:44] <theuser> that is not present on this secondary user account
[06:44] <theuser> so should i
[06:44] <theuser> move everything over to this account or just murder the xfce config directory
[06:44] <theuser> on the old account
[06:47] <chelz> theuser: you can move the config dir rather than deleting it, so you can put it back or use it later
[06:47] <theuser> what dirs do xfce use
[06:48] <theuser> hm
[06:49] <theuser> have some strange file issues
[06:49] <theuser> wonder if its the crypt fs thing or my ssd that is craping on it self
[06:49] <theuser> but i seem to remember the gvfs being the source of problems many times before
[06:51] <theuser> i've gotten lazy over the years and quite frankly i love the simplicity of not having to chase drivers.... most printers work without doing a damn thing etc etc....
[06:51] <theuser> but some times
[06:51] <chelz> one place is ~/.cache/sessions
[06:51] <chelz> removing that tends to fix some problems
[06:51] <theuser> i really miss the rock solid barebone setups of my youth
[06:52] <chelz> theuser: as long as you don't connect it to the internet or ever give it external media (discs, usb sticks, floppies, etc) you can run any software you want :)
[06:53] <chelz> or connect it to any networks, or let it have active bluetooth/wifi/etc
[06:53] <theuser> I remember ms windows work pretty good before 3.11
[06:54] <theuser> Making networking an integrated part of the os was one of the biggest mistakes thy ever did
[06:54] <theuser> Novell Netware + Windows 3.1
[06:54] <theuser> solid combo for most enterprise use
[06:56] <theuser> what other directories does .xfce use
[06:56] <theuser> i dont see a particular .xfce
[06:56] <theuser> so i may just makea "broken" directroy
[06:57] <theuser> and dump
[06:57] <theuser> all the .dirs im not sure about into that one
[06:59] <theuser> also my primary user seem to have alsa issues the secondary user do not
[06:59] <theuser> mother f*k
[07:00] <theuser> I dont mean to be an asshole.... but this stuff is driving me slightly nuts and its eaten up half my workday
[07:03] <theuser> oh also should you be able to copy or move a folder to it self?
[07:07] <ruien> theuser: which distro did you upgrade from?
[07:07] <theuser> last one
[07:07] <theuser> 11 somthing
[07:08] <chelz> theuser: fresh installs sometimes avoid weird bugs
[07:08] <ruien> yes, I did a fresh install of 12.04 and it's been working really well
[07:10] <ruien> anyway for xfce, the shared directories are in /usr/share/{xfce4,xfwm4} and each user has a $HOME/.config/xfce4
[07:10] <theuser> so move or delete ~/.config
[07:10] <theuser> so move or delete ~/.cache
[07:10] <theuser> ??
[07:14] <theuser> still have the login problems
[07:15] <ruien> I would just blow away the user completely, but that's me
[07:15] <ruien> obviously there is some incompatibility with the config file from the previous xfce
[07:15] <theuser> so ill just move my files to this user and do a fresh install when i have time
[07:16] <ruien> i would remove ~/.config/xfce but i'm not sure if xfce will regenerate it or not
[07:16] <Unit193> You can blow away the entire .config dir and get the default.
[07:16] <Unit193> Backing up that first would always be recommended.
[07:19] <chelz> poor man's not-really-backup: mv ~/.config/xfce ~/.config/xfce-old
[08:11] <dennisk> ,
[08:21] <Philby> Looking to use Xubuntu as a desktop for a headless server. Anyone got any recommendations?
[08:25] <theuser> hi
[08:26] <theuser> i removed all the .dirs in my home folder
[08:26] <theuser> still the login problem presists
[08:26] <theuser> im guessing in the wild that there muct be some issue with the cryptfs
[08:28] <theuser> im hoping i dont move the issue with me when i change to the new user
[08:31] <ruien> Philby: I'm not sure what you're asking, exactly. You want to use Xvfb and then connect with VNC right?
[08:33] <ruien> theuser: that's what I was referring to earlier. Just back up the important data which couldn't cause such an issue, and then blow away your user and re-create him from scratch. Not fun, but I think it's the right solution
[08:37] <xwalk> Is there a fix for an issue regarding flash videos where audio will split into two instances and play over top of each other?
[08:41] <drt054> anybody here?
[08:42] <drt054> Anyone set up Xubuntu 12.04 with dual monitors yet? Does the config stick when logging on/off?
[08:43] <theuser> drt054,  usualy works fine with ubuntu
[08:44] <drt054> sigh.. ok, been working hours with Linux Mint 13 MATE, Cinnamon, LM 12 KDE and none of the settings stick when changing sessions.  I hate Unity though. I will try Xubuntu then
[08:44] <xwalk> drt054: I haven't had an issue yet. The display manager even seems to notice when I move my mouse between the two and will move the login box to which ever screen I'm in.
[08:45] <drt054> thats fun
[08:45] <drt054> thx
[08:45] <theuser> drt054, just plug in the screen
[08:45] <theuser> and go to settings manager
[08:45] <theuser> and "Display"
[08:46] <drt054> it always is.. my desktop setup has a 19" LCD on VGA and a 23" on HDMI
[08:46] <theuser> make sure you  click all the proper ok /apply buttons
[08:46] <drt054> thx.. will try
[08:46] <theuser> and log out propperly
[08:47] <theuser> i used mint for about 6months
[08:47] <theuser> but some minor things kept pissing me of
[08:47] <theuser> and im not in the mod to fix stuff anymore
[08:48] <drt054> right.. I have been using Mint 12 KDE on my laptop and is awesome but want to migrate my desktop off of Winblows because really not looking forward to Win8
[08:48] <theuser> I just wan't stuff to work the way i want and is used to, out of the box
[08:48] <theuser> i got of the windows wagon after 3.11
[08:49] <theuser> i booted win95 once
[08:49] <drt054> nice..
[08:49] <theuser> cause i bought computer with it preinstalled in 96
[08:49] <theuser> Now many things is easyer in linux
[08:49] <drt054> I would be completely off of it if weren't for Netflix and I am an Android themer.. it is just easier on Windows
[08:49] <theuser> Well hers my suggestion
[08:50] <theuser> to you
[08:50] <theuser> use virtual box
[08:50] <theuser> with windows xp or windows 7
[08:50] <theuser> if you really need windows for something
[08:50] <theuser> that is the way to go
[08:50] <drt054> yup.. looks to be where I am heading
[08:50] <theuser> VirtualBox is probably the best VM out there
[08:51] <theuser> I just really wish someone would expand the virtualbox guest os package for windows
[08:51] <theuser> to replace the windowmanager in windows
[08:52] <drt054> with KDE for Windows? lol  was looking at that a bit ago.. interesting
[08:52] <theuser> no
[08:52] <theuser> no
[08:52] <theuser>  no
[08:52] <drt054> lol
[08:52] <theuser> i mean
[08:52] <theuser> there is a "seam less mode"
[08:52] <drt054> ah
[08:53] <theuser> but all it does is kind of "cut out" the windows
[08:53] <theuser> and overly it on linux desktop
[08:53] <theuser> and its kind of glitchy
[08:53] <theuser> but if you replace the windowmanager
[08:54] <theuser> you have better control over each window
[08:54] <theuser> and you can through some virtualnetwork bus comunicate with a daeamon on the linux side that makes individual tabs in linux for the individual windows progs
[08:55] <theuser> So you would have kind of like a "daemonized copy of windows XP runing in the background
[08:56] <theuser> Also it would be useful to throttle down the windows VM when u detect no major programs is running
[08:57] <theuser> Since windows is a greedy bitch that swallows all the resources she gets access to
[09:12] <bazhang> !language | theuser
[09:13] <theuser> !language | ubottu
[09:13] <bazhang> theuser, dont do that
[11:14] <xubuntu750> hello i have question please
[11:15] <gordonjcp> don't ask to ask...
[11:18] <Fudge> hi guys, how can i tell xfce to suspend, is ther e a panel icon?
[11:18] <Fudge> xubuntu-desktop 4.10
[11:27] <laite> Fuge: at least panel item 'action buttons' can do that
[11:28] <laite> from right click on panel -> add new items
[11:30] <Fudge> laite  Thank you but my problem is I can not access the panels
[11:30] <Fudge> anyway to have it accessible from the menu?
[11:31] <laite> isn't there an option to suspend from 'log out'
[11:33] <Fudge> oh ill check
[11:34] <Fudge> laite  there is, though using orca when I tab I only see logout button. If I flat review which is like using the numpad to move the pointer around I then see the other options which I did not know they were there
[11:35] <laite> oh
[11:35] <Fudge> well least I found out it is there thanks
[11:35] <laite> np :)
[11:37] <Fudge> :)
[11:38] <Fudge> I wish I knew how to read the panels, they still may not be accessible to a screen reader
[11:39] <Fudge> might be able to use gnome panel
[12:03] <Lejda> hey guys
[12:04] <Lejda> i've a problem
[12:04] <Lejda> i can't change keyboard layout en to tr
[12:04] <Lejda> how can i change it ?
[12:05] <Lejda> any idea
[12:15] <Lejda> and there is no such file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:16] <laite> Lejda: check /etc/default/keyboard
[12:16] <Lejda> latie i checked. in file my keybord is correct
[12:17] <laite> hm, is everything correct in settings manager -> keyboard -> layout?
[12:17] <Lejda> XKBMODEL="pc105"
[12:17] <Lejda> XKBLAYOUT="tr"
[12:18] <Lejda> i checked but its only shows en
[12:18] <Lejda> not tr
[12:18] <Lejda> it's really weird
[12:18] <laite> Lejda: You can add / edit layouts in settings manager -> keyboard -> layout
[12:19] <Lejda> no. i can't
[12:19] <Lejda> it's empty
[12:19] <laite> not even with "add"-button?
[12:19] <Lejda> when i push the add button the select box in empty
[12:19] <laite> :0
[12:20] <laite> I'm afraid my expertice ends here :/
[12:20] <laite> sorry
[12:20] <Lejda> it's realy sucks
[12:20] <Lejda> thank you
[12:22] <Lejda> i'm trying to fix it via xorg.conf file
[12:22] <Lejda> but there is no such file as /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:23] <knome> Lejda, xorg.conf doesn't exist by default in newest ubuntu's
[12:24] <Lejda> knome: why. i need that file for fixing my problem
[12:24] <knome> Lejda, because most of the systems do well without. there are tools to create xorg.conf though
[12:25] <Lejda> ok. please tell me which tools they are
[12:25] <Lejda> i really need them
[12:25] <knome> Xorg -configure
[12:25] <knome> run with sudo; sudo Xorg -configure
[12:27] <Lejda> Fatal Error: X already runnig
[12:27] <Lejda> wait i'm gonna kill X serer
[12:28] <Lejda> ok.
[12:28] <Lejda> but it's not created X
[12:28] <Lejda> xorg.conf
[12:28] <knome> it creates the file in the directory you are
[12:28] <knome> you have to copy the file to /etc/X11/
[12:31] <Lejda> now i reboot the computer
[12:31] <Lejda> thank you for your help knomw
[12:31] <Lejda> knome
[12:31] <knome> np
[12:37] <Lejda> no chance
[12:37] <Lejda> problem still continues
[13:07] <zieglerk> Hi, can somebody please tell me how to make apt-get update check for Packages.gz if Packges does not exist?
[13:16] <ochosi> zieglerk: i think you have to specify what you want to do exactly
[13:18] <zieglerk> @ochosi: I run apt-get update and receive plenty of "404 file not found" error messages, where apt-get tries to download the Packages file, but the repo only has a Package.gz in that directory
[13:18] <zieglerk> sorry: Package*s*.gz
[13:20] <ochosi> zieglerk: are these debian repos you're using or could it be that you have to wrong url for that specific repo?
[13:23] <zieglerk> ochosi: These are the ubuntu repos in sources.list, e.g. http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages
[13:23] <zieglerk> ochosi: I can even browse there with a webbrowser and see the Packages.gz there, just not a Packages file itself.
[13:23] <ochosi> zieglerk: you could simply try to switch to another mirror, maybe there's something wrong with this particular one
[13:23] <ochosi> zieglerk: 404
[13:23] <ochosi> gah
[13:23] <ochosi> zieglerk: 404s can also be a dns problem
[13:24] <zieglerk> I have never switched the mirror before on purpose.  How do you do that?
[13:24] <ochosi> open the update-manager, go to "settings" (left bottom corner)
[13:24] <ochosi> then you're in the software-sources menu
[13:25] <ochosi> go to the tab "ubuntu software"
[13:25] <ochosi> then choose a different mirror from the download-from drop-down menu
[13:25] <ochosi> you can also let the app select the fastest mirror (by ping-testing) for you
[13:25] <ochosi> which is what i'd recommend
[13:26] <ochosi> especially if you're not switching networks all the time (i.e. desktop)
[13:27] <zieglerk> ochosi: thanks a lot; the test for the fastest mirror is running just now.
[13:27] <ochosi> zieglerk: np
[13:27] <zieglerk> ochosi: I was never aware of that option, because mainly using command line so far.
[13:28] <ochosi> zieglerk: it's possible that there is a cli for searching for the fastest mirror as well, i've just never used it
[13:33] <magnus__> think it would be a nice touch, if when you have grouping of windows selected, it shows the one thats currently open in a different shade. I often more than one window open with the same title and think it would be very handy indeed.
[13:40] <ochosi> magnus__: you mean in the panel?
[13:45] <magnus__> yea
[14:23] <cypher-neo> Hi. I recently installed LibreOffice on XFCE, and when I went to use the program none of the menus displayed correctly. I Googled about it and discovered the popular fix was to turn off compositing and make the desktop ugly.
[14:23] <cypher-neo> Is there any other compositing manager that works well with LibreOffice on XFCE?
[14:24] <knome> compositing should work okayish with LO
[14:24] <cypher-neo> It doesn't seem to. Let me show you a screenshot knome.
[14:25] <knome> cypher-neo, sure
[14:25] <cypher-neo> knome, http://sta.sh/01xitgvx5i4m
[14:25] <knome> LO doesn't work perfectly with gtk themes anyway...
[14:25] <cypher-neo> knome, This is what LO looks like on XFCE Voyager 12.04 with compositing enabled.
[14:25] <knome> humm, that's weird.
[14:25] <knome> did you try some other theme?
[14:25] <cypher-neo> knome, I even tried disabling compositing and using a different compositer like xcompmgr
[14:26] <knome> wait, voyager...
[14:26] <knome> that's not supported really
[14:26] <cypher-neo> knome, The theme doesn't seem to affect this problem. I've tried a lot of themes, but not all of them.
[14:26] <knome> i haven't seen any such problems reported with pure xubuntu, so better to ask voyager support
[14:27] <cypher-neo> knome, Do you know if there's an IRC room for Voyager support?
[14:27] <knome> cypher-neo, sorry, nope
[14:30] <cypher-neo> knome, There's an option during startup to switch from XFCE to Xubuntu. I'll try switching and see if the same problem happens on xubuntu as well.
[14:31] <cypher-neo> knome, Thanks for looking though. :)
[14:31] <knome> np
[14:35] <florida-> #ubuntu-unity
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[14:35] <florida-> Notify OSD, sound menu, keyboard menu, etc.
[14:35] <florida-> 	
[14:35] <florida-> #ubuntu-devel
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[14:35] <florida-> Ubuntu development coordination
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[14:35] <florida-> mdz
[14:35] <florida-> #xubuntu-devel
[14:35] <knome> Pici, beat me. :)
[14:51] <xubuntu702> Hello from Spain, i have installed Xubuntu 12.04, but when system boots, grub makes out of sync in my monitor, some trick to fix it??? Thanks
[14:55] <laite> xubuntu702: do you mean that grub doesn't show due to screen setting? if so, you can edit /etc/default/grub to switch gfxmode or use plain "textmode"
[14:55] <laite> just remember to run 'sudo update-grub' after changing that file
[14:55] <xubuntu702> ok, thanks for your advice
[14:56] <xubuntu702> bye, i'm gooing to reboot and probe it
[17:47] <aquix> Why can't I find a image viewer that let me set an image as desktop background?
[17:47] <aquix> read that thats hard coded into gthumb
[17:47] <knome> aquix, set with thunar?
[17:49] <aquix> knome yup, thats what I do now, but I would like a dedicated image viewer like gthumb that can sort images to the last modified, and allow me to set it as background. I don't need a setting shortcut since I download or resize to my resolution.
[18:08] <laite> aquix: Ristretto can set wallpaper at least for me
[18:09] <aquix> yup, but it sucks ballsacks :)
[18:10] <laite> won't argue you there =)
[18:10] <knome> aquix, try to be more family-friendly, please
[18:10] <laite> in mirage you can set 'custom actions'
[18:10] <knome> isn't mirage Qt?
[18:10] <knome> just wondering, since i went through the image apps too
[18:10] <laite> knome: don't think so
[18:11] <knome> right, something weird was with it
[18:11] <laite> "Mirage 0.9.5.1 - fast GTK+ image viewer"
[18:11] <knome> right. i wonder what it was then
[18:11] <knome> maybe just didn't fit my needs :)
[18:11] <knome> or not mine, but, yeah...
[18:11] <aquix> tried mirage too, no go
[18:56] <piglizard9> Hello everyone. Just started using Xubuntu and I was curious about how to connect to a network share. I'm able to do it in Ubuntu just fine, just can't figure it out in Xubuntu.
[19:13] <epzil0n> do you mean with the file manager?
[22:23] <Anger_On> Howdy all
[22:23] <GridCube> !hi | Anger_On
[22:45] <Anger_On> Im new to linux. Does anyone have good advice for what distribution would be considered best for truly learning linux?
[22:46] <GridCube> one you are happy with
[22:48] <Anger_On> Ive tried ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu, puppy, lds, and a few lesser known distros. Im happy with most, but I was wondering what you guys might have to say about Gentoo and/or LFS
[22:48] <GridCube> you are asking on #xubuntu ... so
[22:48] <Anger_On> haha good point
[22:49] <GridCube> in any case :) this is not support questions, so please ask on #xubuntu-offtopic :D
[22:49] <Anger_On> Maybe I should join one of those channels. Thanks for the pointer!
[22:49] <Anger_On> Thank a ton