| === rhorstkoetter1 is now known as rhorstkoetter | ||
| rhorstkoetter | hi edubuntu team. I'm currently rather confused by a default edubuntu 12.04 setup and I hope to get help here. | 12:27 |
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| rhorstkoetter | I had ubuntu 12.04 running with ltsp installed, thin clients booting etc (installed myself from scratch) | 12:27 |
| rhorstkoetter | now, I decided to switch to edubuntu and nothing works anymore :p I checked ltsp server during install and was greeted with a strange misconfiguration. let me explain | 12:28 |
| rhorstkoetter | edubuntu configured 192.168.0.254 as a dhcp server address in /etc/network/interfaces | 12:29 |
| rhorstkoetter | thin clients won't boot. then I discovered that dhcp server in /etc/ltsp/dhcp(d).conf was at 192.168.0.1 instead | 12:30 |
| rhorstkoetter | cannot work | 12:30 |
| rhorstkoetter | then I adjusted /etc/network/interfaces to be 192.168.0.1 to match the /etc/ltsp/dhcp(d).conf | 12:30 |
| jonathan_ | that's odd, could you paste your dhcpd.conf file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ? | 12:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | but still thin clients won't boot while they did with my own setup (built from scratch) | 12:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | jonathan_: sure enough, wait a second please | 12:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | need to ssh (hope that works) | 12:32 |
| jonathan_ | on the machine you could also type "pastebinit -i /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf" | 12:33 |
| jonathan_ | and it would do it for you | 12:33 |
| rhorstkoetter | jonathan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1014673/ | 12:33 |
| ogra_ | heh, highvoltage incognito :) | 12:33 |
| rhorstkoetter | I haven't changed anything, i.e. it's just the default | 12:33 |
| jonathan_ | (fine) | 12:34 |
| === jonathan_ is now known as highvoltage | ||
| highvoltage | ogra_: I had a power failure at home and am connected via laptop :) | 12:34 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: hey you're not quite "ogra" either ;) | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | ah, i saw you had issues with a panda ? | 12:34 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: this is /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/1014674/ | 12:35 |
| highvoltage | ah that wasn't a panda, at least | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | true ... but i'm to lazy to configure my IRC proxy for auth | 12:35 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: this has been the default http://paste.ubuntu.com/1014677/ - I should mention that edubuntu also switched network interface naming eth0/eth1 during install/installed system. thus the change from eth0 to eth1 | 12:36 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: hmm, ok, that's not nice | 12:37 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: do you see any issues? what else you go wrong here? is there a need to rebuild the client chroot when editing /etc/network/interfaces while leaving /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf intact/default? | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | no | 12:38 |
| rhorstkoetter | s/you/could | 12:38 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: I guess you should change "eth0" to "eth0" in your /etc/network/interface file and restart networking and the dhcp server | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | did you restart the dhcpd after changing the config ? | 12:39 |
| highvoltage | (sorry I'm a big groggy just woke up and haven't had coffee so if there's typos, that's why :) ) | 12:39 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: I rebooted twice | 12:39 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: change eth0 to what? network configuration is OK already (matched to dhcpd.conf) | 12:39 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: eth1 is internal ltsp/dhcp interface 192.168.0.1 matching dhcpd.conf, eth0 is to the outside world | 12:41 |
| * rhorstkoetter confused | 12:41 | |
| highvoltage | ah, your interfaces file that you pasted only had eth0 set to 192.168.0.254 | 12:41 |
| highvoltage | 192.168.0.254 is usually the default used for LTSP setups | 12:42 |
| highvoltage | (for the server) | 12:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: wait please. we misunderstand each other | 12:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | sure I understand that | 12:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | but | 12:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | that cannot work | 12:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | if dhcp server is configured as 192.168.0.254 in interfaces and 192.168.0.1 in dhcpd.conf (and that has been the default after edubuntu came up for the first time) - how should that work? | 12:43 |
| rhorstkoetter | the eth0/eth1 switch was just another misconfiguration of edubuntu | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | the server IP isnt configured anywhere in dhcpd.conf usually | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | only DNS and gateway | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | (gateway should point to the server IP though) | 12:44 |
| rhorstkoetter | ah, I see, you're right | 12:45 |
| rhorstkoetter | still, the setup doesn't work and it worked with a self-configured ubuntu install just half an hour ago with the same thin client (10, all working) | 12:45 |
| rhorstkoetter | so, I assume something is wrong with edubuntu default config (for me at least). what else may I try (assumed you testify my confs are correct)? | 12:46 |
| rhorstkoetter | rebuild the client chroot? | 12:46 |
| ogra_ | how would that help ? | 12:47 |
| ogra_ | and how does your client not boot, whats the error ? | 12:47 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: it doesn't find the dhcp server | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | and you are sure there is only one dhcp server running in your network ? | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | PXE booting usually breaks if there are two that arent configured identically | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | (pointong both to the same tftp server etc) | 12:49 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: I also don't think it helps. I'm just out of ideas as the cabling is the same, the clients are the same, the server is the same. ubuntu self-configured worked, edubuntu does not | 12:49 |
| highvoltage | my guess is that since he has 192.168.0.x range IPs on eth0 and eth1, (at least from what I could put together), dhcpd might actually be listening on the wrong interface | 12:50 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: certainly yes | 12:50 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: eth1 is 192.168.1.0/24, eth0 is 192.168.0.0/24 | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | it should tell to which interface it listens in the logs | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | can you ping the outside world from the server ? | 12:51 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: the other way around sorry | 12:51 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: yes | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | then it looks like the wiring is fine | 12:52 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: the wiring is just the same as before, as is the network configuration | 12:52 |
| rhorstkoetter | the difference just is that at first I configured ltsp myself in ubuntu and now I let edubuntu configure it | 12:53 |
| ogra_ | did you check the logs = dhcpd should actually tell you things when starting | 12:53 |
| rhorstkoetter | during install | 12:53 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: syslog? | 12:53 |
| ogra_ | or messages, not sure | 12:53 |
| ogra_ | i still use lucid on my server machines ... that predates the log changes | 12:54 |
| ogra_ | (so i have a daemon.log which you wont) | 12:54 |
| rhorstkoetter | seems (according to the logs) that dhcp listens on the right interface | 12:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | I mean interfaces and dhcpd.conf is configured correctly | 12:56 |
| ogra_ | and you see it running with "ps ax|grep dhcp" ? | 12:57 |
| rhorstkoetter | I don't know. I guess I'll reinstall ubuntu and do the configuration myself again. that worked absolutely perfect | 12:57 |
| rhorstkoetter | 1375 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd -f -q -4 -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 12:58 |
| rhorstkoetter | only difference between installs that I notice is an interface lxcbr0 | 12:59 |
| rhorstkoetter | may this be an issue? not sure what it's for | 12:59 |
| ogra_ | for LXC (linux containers) | 13:00 |
| rhorstkoetter | ok, need to research this to be honest. never heard about yet | 13:01 |
| rhorstkoetter | hm | 13:01 |
| * rhorstkoetter wants edubuntu to work ;) | 13:01 | |
| rhorstkoetter | ok, I thank you for your time ogra_ and highvoltage. I'm still not sure what's going on here as I can't find errors in my configs, neither in the logs | 13:05 |
| rhorstkoetter | at least you also can't find errors. that's good :) | 13:05 |
| rhorstkoetter | hi. it actually seems to be a client related issue | 13:30 |
| rhorstkoetter | my collegue switched network cards and I was unaware actually | 13:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | I'm VERY sorry | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | heh | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | np | 13:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | switching network cards to the worse actually | 13:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | atheros > sis BOOM | 13:32 |
| rhorstkoetter | you may look (still) at the ethernet card switching during install/installed system | 13:32 |
| rhorstkoetter | should I file a bug report regarding that issue | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | highvoltage, ^^^ ? | 13:33 |
| rhorstkoetter | i.e. eth0/eth1 switched | 13:33 |
| highvoltage | "09:29 < rhorstkoetter> my collegue switched network cards and I was unaware actually" <- that might have had something to do with it? | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | only if he also switched the server ones | 13:38 |
| highvoltage | ah I see | 13:38 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: if you file a bug, please include the installer logs from the server, | 13:38 |
| highvoltage | (you could find them in /var/log/installer/ iirc) | 13:39 |
| rhorstkoetter | ok, I see | 13:39 |
| highvoltage | along with any other information you can provide, like that you chose to install LTSP, on which interface, what kind of network cards they are... | 13:40 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: I've tested the edubuntu installation on quite a few different real-life and virtual machines and haven't come across a bug like that yet, but nothing is impossible :) | 13:40 |
| rhorstkoetter | me neither yet | 13:40 |
| rhorstkoetter | now trying to get etherboot into the ethernet card bootrom | 13:41 |
| rhorstkoetter | cross fingers for me | 13:41 |
| rhorstkoetter | collegue ordered 30 of these and turns out sis900 pxe is pita | 13:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | i.e. not working | 13:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | lol | 13:42 |
| rhorstkoetter | there is a german saying that fits almost perfectly | 13:43 |
| rhorstkoetter | regarding the sis network cards | 13:43 |
| rhorstkoetter | einem geschenkten gaul schaut man nicht ins maul | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | so you got them for free ? | 13:43 |
| rhorstkoetter | yes. as a donation | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | lucky you them :P | 13:44 |
| rhorstkoetter | I am | 13:45 |
| rhorstkoetter | I actually plan a rather big ltsp/edubuntu rollout at a school and I'm currently testing the setup/gathering hardware at various places etc | 13:46 |
| highvoltage | ah that expression exists in english too: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dont-look-a-gift-horse-in-the-mouth.html | 13:46 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: lol, I see. I wasn't that sure if it's an idiom to the german language or not | 13:47 |
| * ogra_ didnt know there was an english equivalent | 13:48 | |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: you're german? | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | surprising, german spells rarely translate directly := | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | yep | 13:48 |
| rhorstkoetter | ah | 13:48 |
| rhorstkoetter | me too :p | 13:48 |
| * ogra_ assumed so :) | 13:49 | |
| rhorstkoetter | yeah, thinking about, I guess my nick is rather obvious | 13:49 |
| ogra_ | could be dutch or belgian too though | 13:50 |
| ogra_ | or danish ... just because there is an oe in it doesnt necessarily mean german ... | 13:50 |
| ogra_ | but quoting german *and* having an oe in your name makes it pretty obvious :) | 13:51 |
| rhorstkoetter | true. at least I finally understood where "ogra" comes from | 13:51 |
| rhorstkoetter | true | 13:51 |
| ogra_ | my first provider gave it to me for my first internet dialup account ever :) | 13:51 |
| ogra_ | it just stuck since :) | 13:51 |
| rhorstkoetter | lol, mine has a rather similar history | 13:52 |
| rhorstkoetter | my pc-pool account in university | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | :) | 13:53 |
| rhorstkoetter | although, if I remember correctly it has been rhorstkoe rather than rhorstkoetter | 13:53 |
| rhorstkoetter | anyways | 13:53 |
| rhorstkoetter | if I had the same isp back then I'd most likely be known as "rhor_" today | 13:54 |
| rhorstkoetter | just kidding | 13:55 |
| rhorstkoetter | almost sounds like thor | 13:55 |
| rhorstkoetter | another funny thing actually is that whenever I come across sis hardware (in whatever regard) I have problems | 13:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | interesting insight | 13:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | not too funny though as I just noticed that 3 new/donated laptops that just arrived here today also have the very same sis900 pxe bootrom and guess what? | 13:57 |
| rhorstkoetter | they don't boot (yet) | 13:57 |
| * highvoltage tries to avoid things with 'sis' and 'via' written on them | 13:58 | |
| highvoltage | (but yes, given horses, etc) | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | remember the ebox 1000 think client ? | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | *thin | 13:58 |
| highvoltage | yeah :) | 13:58 |
| rhorstkoetter | yes, the given horses again ;) | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | that was an *all SIS* device | 13:58 |
| highvoltage | yeah SIS Vortex or something like that iirc | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | works fine as my firewall here though ... but i never managed to make something else out of it | 13:59 |
| rhorstkoetter | I had a medion desktop once and bought an usb camera for it | 13:59 |
| rhorstkoetter | I actually returned it twice to the store (silly me, that has been beginner days) until I found out the real cause of the problem | 14:00 |
| rhorstkoetter | guess what? > sis chipset. bought an intel pci usb card and it worked awesome | 14:00 |
| highvoltage | yeah, despite not agreeing with the anti-competitive nature of the intel company, I do like their hardware :) | 14:01 |
| rhorstkoetter | now the sis nightmare is about to return :) 30 pci network cards + 3 laptops with the very same bootrom = 33 potentially not working (yet) thin client | 14:01 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: me too. nowadays I try to exclusively use thinkpads just for this very reason | 14:02 |
| rhorstkoetter | but there is one positive thing to faulty hardware still | 14:03 |
| rhorstkoetter | the learning curve | 14:03 |
| rhorstkoetter | without things not working out of the box one wouldn't learn that much about getting them to work | 14:03 |
| rhorstkoetter | so, thanks a lot gericom, sis, medion, acer etc etc | 14:04 |
| rhorstkoetter | btw in regard of edubuntu, I found out a VERY simple solution to save ram on the server side by disabling X altogether. I mean an easy opportunity to set it up | 14:07 |
| rhorstkoetter | you just need (thanks to upstart > 1.3) to setup /etc/init/lightdm.override with "manual" in there | 14:08 |
| rhorstkoetter | most likely you know that but I'd say this would be something for docu at edubuntu | 14:09 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: indeed, we're in dire need of some "tips and tricks" documentation | 14:09 |
| rhorstkoetter | if you then want to get X back just "sudo mv lightdm.override lightdm.override_ | 14:09 |
| highvoltage | how much ram does that save, btw? | 14:09 |
| rhorstkoetter | 100mb | 14:09 |
| rhorstkoetter | approx | 14:10 |
| rhorstkoetter | I currently have around 50mb ram usage (htop) after a fresh boot | 14:10 |
| rhorstkoetter | and that's pretty slick | 14:10 |
| rhorstkoetter | I also disabled network-manager | 14:11 |
| rhorstkoetter | so by disabling that one and X I got down to around 50 megs | 14:11 |
| rhorstkoetter | next thing will be to experiment with zram | 14:12 |
| rhorstkoetter | I feel that as a good approach to deal with memory peaks | 14:13 |
| rhorstkoetter | assumed you have a fast processor | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | just install the zram-conf package in your chroot | 14:13 |
| rhorstkoetter | in chroot? | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | even works nocely on slow processors | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | well, if you want zram on the client, do it in the chroot, yes | 14:13 |
| highvoltage | hmm, I haven't tried zram on an ltsp application server before | 14:13 |
| alkisg | rhorstkoetter: does your server have so little ram that saving 50mb is worth the trouble? | 14:13 |
| rhorstkoetter | I would have installed it at the server fs | 14:13 |
| rhorstkoetter | alkisg: this is just a test server with 1gb ram | 14:14 |
| alkisg | You supposedly need about 256 mb ram per client... | 14:14 |
| rhorstkoetter | alkisg: and there is not much trouble involved but editing 3 text files | 14:14 |
| alkisg | You could just pass "text" in grub | 14:15 |
| rhorstkoetter | I think 50 megs worth of memory is 50 megs worth of memory even with a quad core and 8gb ram, isn't it? | 14:15 |
| alkisg | I spent an afternoon to save 0.5 mb ram per thin client (the openvt memory) | 14:15 |
| alkisg | ...but no, for the server, I wouldn't bother for 50mb | 14:15 |
| rhorstkoetter | alkisg: true, that would be another opportunity for X | 14:15 |
| rhorstkoetter | the override thing also is just one file edit though | 14:16 |
| alkisg | I mean, for a real server with enough ram | 14:16 |
| rhorstkoetter | I'd be more interested in getting rid of plymouth without uninstalling it | 14:16 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: I tend to agree with you that 50MB of RAM is always worth saving | 14:16 |
| rhorstkoetter | seems to be controlled by upstart as well | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | you cant | 14:16 |
| highvoltage | plymouth is essential in ubuntu, but you can disable the actual graphical splash it shows, at least | 14:17 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: plymouth? | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | there are plenty bits that at least need libplymouth | 14:17 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: have you tried to disable the upstart job yet? | 14:17 |
| rhorstkoetter | just curious | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | yes | 14:17 |
| rhorstkoetter | and? what happens? | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | you can disable it, but you cant remove it | 14:17 |
| rhorstkoetter | I wouldn't want to remove it, just disable it | 14:18 |
| rhorstkoetter | to save ram | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | else your initrd mountall process would commit suicide, it needs libplymouth for communicastion | 14:18 |
| rhorstkoetter | but plainly disabling it should be no matter or? I mean libplymouth still is on hdd that way | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | it wont save any ram though | 14:19 |
| rhorstkoetter | ok, I see | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | plymouth kills itself right after boot (before switching to X) | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | (or before enabling ttys, depends how you look at it) | 14:19 |
| rhorstkoetter | I guess I'm too ambitious to put as much <service>.overrides in /etc/init as possible | 14:19 |
| rhorstkoetter | lol, seems my new hobby | 14:20 |
| alkisg | You can remove plymouth from the initramfs but as ogra says it doesn't matter after the initial boot, it's only worth it for 64mb ram clients which can't boot otherwise | 14:20 |
| rhorstkoetter | alkisg: I see, thx for sharing experiences | 14:20 |
| alkisg | rhorstkoetter: there's an RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES lts.conf variable | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | yeah, if you need a minimal initrd you should divert the initrd scripts and hooks actually | 14:20 |
| alkisg | Please do send your comments about additional services needed to be enabled/disabled there | 14:20 |
| rhorstkoetter | alkisg: lol, you know what? you seem to me like being lts.conf expert top notch | 14:21 |
| alkisg | All the persons you're talking to now are ltsp devs ;) | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | given that he is one of the current core programmers of LTSP it would be scary if he didnt | 14:21 |
| rhorstkoetter | that's correct and I appreciate your companion | 14:23 |
| rhorstkoetter | btw, as I'm talking to ltsp devs. is someone of you using another linux distro for these kind of setups than ubuntu? | 14:24 |
| rhorstkoetter | just curious | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | well, thats an odd thing to ask in the edubuntu channel ... what answers would you expect ? :) | 14:25 |
| * highvoltage occasionally does some testing for debian-edu, but doesn't use it in any day-to-day scenearios | 14:25 | |
| ogra_ | if you want other distros, try #ltsp ... there you will also find gentoo, fedora and debian | 14:26 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: right, we're in edubuntu. anyways, I'd expect an honest one | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | and that ltsp fork that opensuse uses | 14:26 |
| rhorstkoetter | I myself would never use anything else but ubuntu (always did, despite my opensuse cloak :p) | 14:27 |
| rhorstkoetter | occasionally use archlinux as I like the tinkering | 14:27 |
| highvoltage | I don't get any more money or credit of any kind no matter what you use, so I like to think that my answers isn't particularly biased :) | 14:27 |
| highvoltage | s/isn't/aren't/g (aparently I can't do english today) | 14:27 |
| rhorstkoetter | ogra_: I do not want to use something else myself. ubuntu works for me and always did | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | i didnt assume you wanted :) | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | but to get a more representative overview #ltsp is surely better | 14:28 |
| rhorstkoetter | no need for it actually. just chitchatting a bit out of curiousity | 14:29 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: btw, are you feeling better? | 14:29 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: most likely your english is better than or ogra_'s or mine. should be at least | 14:30 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ubiquity seems to work fine for today's image, at least :) | 14:30 |
| rhorstkoetter | alkisg: btw, as a follow-up to our discussions yesterday, my graphics problems/artefacts gone away once I switched back to gtk based DEs. they only occured in both KDE and razorqt | 14:31 |
| rhorstkoetter | haven't tried the lts.conf variable though as I anyway decided to provide a GTK based DE to the pupils and as these worked (LXDE, Xfce, Gnome, Unity) there wasn't any need for tweaking anymore | 14:33 |
| alkisg | rhorstkoetter: did you try X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH? | 14:33 |
| alkisg | ok | 14:33 |
| rhorstkoetter | nope. it's in my cheat sheet though | 14:33 |
| rhorstkoetter | in case I have another steak of madness to give KDE a try (happens once a year approximately and lasts an hour usually) :p | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | highvoltage, yeah, since a wekk already | 14:35 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: great | 14:35 |
| rhorstkoetter | s/steak/streak | 14:35 |
| rhorstkoetter | as I'm dealing with ltsp devs here. reading (in parallel) about etherboot, it seems that it's now called gpxe and then ipxe | 14:37 |
| rhorstkoetter | is this correct | 14:37 |
| rhorstkoetter | ? | 14:37 |
| highvoltage | rhorstkoetter: yep | 14:41 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: so, I guess since stellarium is highly unlikely to run well on arm, we should probably just drop it for kstars? | 14:41 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I guess so, I dropped it yesterday anyway | 14:46 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ah, cool | 14:46 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: ok, thx. I guess I need to read the ipxe docu now as the sis900 isn't booting neither from internal bootrom nor from ipxe live cd (i.e. just let it boot without any config) | 14:47 |
| rhorstkoetter | hope I get this settled as atheros bootrom works just fine | 14:47 |
| rhorstkoetter | just the sis900 seems to be a major pita | 14:47 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I see the gnote task is marked as complete, does that mean that tomboy notes are migrated? | 14:48 |
| stgraber | no idea, but we didn't ship tomboy in 12.04 so I don't really care :) | 14:48 |
| stgraber | I just added gnote to the seed | 14:48 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines | 14:48 |
| === jbicha is now known as Guest70781 | ||
| highvoltage | gnote doesn't seem to add a menu in gnome fallback session | 14:55 |
| highvoltage | (as in, a panel menu or indicator or whatever you call it these days) | 14:56 |
| * highvoltage checks under unity | 14:56 | |
| * ogra_ calls it "thing" | 14:57 | |
| ogra_ | thats never wrong :) | 14:58 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 14:58 |
| highvoltage | hmm, only way to seem to access it is by pressing alt+f12. perhaps Guest70781 will have some more insight on what we could do there | 14:59 |
| highvoltage | the gnote applet works in gnome-fallback. not sure how to add it in unity though | 15:03 |
| highvoltage | it crashes though :-/ | 15:03 |
| === Guest70781 is now known as jbicha_ | ||
| highvoltage | ooh, gimp 2.8 has landed in quantal | 15:14 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: is xdiagnose something we should have in the menus? (it's under accessories currently) | 15:32 |
| rhorstkoetter | hi again | 15:33 |
| rhorstkoetter | have you ever dealed with the sis900 nic before. I think I remember highvoltage said something earlier | 15:34 |
| rhorstkoetter | problem is that this card is driving me crazy and I hope you have some ideas still. plugging in the very same cable to my netbook (atheros pxe) works perfect | 15:35 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I see it in Ubuntu too, so if it shouldn't be there, it should be changed in the package itself, not in Edubuntu | 15:35 |
| rhorstkoetter | sis900 doesn't even receive an ip address via dhcp | 15:35 |
| rhorstkoetter | tried with builtin bootrom and now with ipxe boot disc with the very same result | 15:36 |
| rhorstkoetter | no dhcp | 15:36 |
| rhorstkoetter | have you ever encountered some issue like that .. at best with sis900 nic? google isn't that helpful either | 15:36 |
| rhorstkoetter | unfortunately | 15:37 |
| rhorstkoetter | the cabling and dhcp setup is perfectly correct. I plug the cable out of sis900 nic and into the netbook and it boots right away | 15:38 |
| rhorstkoetter | plugging it back to sis nightmare and neither builtin bootrom nor ipxe is able to get dhcp | 15:38 |
| rhorstkoetter | I even tried to configure static ip via ipxe and I cannot even ping from dhcp server/edubuntu | 15:39 |
| rhorstkoetter | while ipxe properly recognizes sis900 it doesn't seem to work at all and I'm curious if some of you came across that very issue already sometimes in the past | 15:40 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: saw you -artwork upload, are you overriding both /ubuntu and /gnome-classic now or just /gnome-classic (the later would be wrong I think) | 15:51 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: both | 16:11 |
| stgraber | good | 16:11 |
| highvoltage | (since I guess we don't want to see them un unity either) | 16:11 |
| stgraber | right | 16:11 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I told the guys in #kubuntu-dev about it too... | 16:12 |
| highvoltage | (I'll probably file a bug for it because they were like "oh yeah, that", but didn't particularly seem to care about fixing it atm) | 16:12 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: or just change it and propose the branch for merging, that way a patch pilot will merge it and the kde folks will just have to deal with it ;) | 16:14 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: hmm, every time we make an artwork change we have to download the whole wallpapers binary package too | 16:41 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: is there a way to have its version seperate? what was the rationale again for moving it to the edubuntu-artwork meta-package? | 16:41 |
| highvoltage | source package, even | 16:42 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I see there's a comment file for the northern lights wallpaper. where is it displayed in the UI? It seems kind of an awesome way to teach people things via wallpapers | 16:52 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: no idea :) | 16:55 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I can't remember the reason to merge -wallpapers in -artwork, could have been related to the gconf/dconf schema and the rest of the integration being in that source | 16:56 |
| highvoltage | mgariepy: I took a stab at a menueditor icon | 17:47 |
| highvoltage | mgariepy: any ideas or objections? http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/quantal/edubuntu/icons/menueditor.svg | 17:47 |
| highvoltage | (still making some small tweaks for alignment, etc) | 17:48 |
| mgariepy | highvoltage, cool :) | 17:51 |
| mgariepy | it looks very nice :) | 17:51 |
| rhorstkoetter | I guess I need some help still with for me very curious network issues | 17:52 |
| rhorstkoetter | do you people have some spare time to help again please? | 17:52 |
| highvoltage | (or a png: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/quantal/edubuntu/icons/menueditor2.png) | 17:52 |
| rhorstkoetter | I try to explain ... | 17:52 |
| rhorstkoetter | the ltsp server has two interfaces (sis900 and rtl8139) sis900 to the outside, rtl8139 to the inside | 17:53 |
| rhorstkoetter | the only client that's able to boot is an n450 netbook with atheros ethernet (not sure about the exact chipset) | 17:54 |
| rhorstkoetter | two other client (sis900 and a thinkpad r32) won't boot | 17:54 |
| rhorstkoetter | I tried for hours reading about lots of pxe issues booting from sis900 | 17:55 |
| rhorstkoetter | then I tried the thinkpad just to see that it won't boot either | 17:55 |
| rhorstkoetter | then ... | 17:55 |
| highvoltage | have you tried booting from a gpxe iso? | 17:55 |
| rhorstkoetter | yes. | 17:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | etherboot, gpxe, ipxe | 17:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | all won't boot | 17:56 |
| highvoltage | what do they say? | 17:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | then I got suspicious against the server (rtl8139) | 17:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | dhcp timeout | 17:56 |
| highvoltage | mgariepy: should I change it in the package too? I think it looks good in the menus (tested it in a VM) | 17:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | highvoltage: now it comes ;) | 17:56 |
| rhorstkoetter | thinkpad said no cable connected when booting | 17:57 |
| rhorstkoetter | and trust me the cable was on there | 17:57 |
| rhorstkoetter | in fact the very same successfully booting the netbook 10 times in a row | 17:57 |
| rhorstkoetter | I got to the conclusion that it's neither the sis900 client nor the thinkpad failing but the rtl8139 on the server side | 17:58 |
| rhorstkoetter | I thus switched the interfaces: sis900 to the inside this time, rtl8139 to the outside | 17:58 |
| rhorstkoetter | please don't be confused … server also has ONE sis900 | 17:59 |
| rhorstkoetter | and guess what? netbook boots, sis900 client does not, neither does the thinkpad - on the very same cable with the very same error | 17:59 |
| rhorstkoetter | I almost got to the conclusion to be too silly to plug in ethernet but I triple checked and the cable definately works on netbook | 18:00 |
| rhorstkoetter | my gosh … this doesn't seem to come to an end | 18:01 |
| rhorstkoetter | so, long story short (sorry but it gets more complex by the hour) | 18:01 |
| rhorstkoetter | my current conclusion is that the netbook somehow "tells" the server (sis900 + rtl8139) that it is actually connected | 18:02 |
| rhorstkoetter | I know this sounds crazy but I have no other explanation why the netbook boots in all configurations while the thinkpad and the sis900 client refuse to boot | 18:02 |
| rhorstkoetter | what do you think? any recommendations? | 18:03 |
| rhorstkoetter | I mean my very own network knowledge came (almost) to an end | 18:03 |
| rhorstkoetter | thanks in advance | 18:03 |
| highvoltage | anyone around for an edubuntu meeting? | 18:59 |
| * highvoltage heads over to #ubuntu-meeting | 19:00 | |
| stgraber | kinda | 19:01 |
| highvoltage | good enough :) | 19:01 |
| * highvoltage just gave a quick summary anyway | 19:18 | |
| highvoltage | oash. we still have geogebra on the slideshow | 20:30 |
| d1zzYLuLz | so, as a school project we tried to start a charity (www.connectingourfuture.org) we're going to put edubuntu on some old systems to donate to local daycares | 21:11 |
| d1zzYLuLz | i'd like to use xfce or lxde, somethign lightweight...do you think it'd be easier to use xubuntu + edubuntu repos or edubuntu and install xfce? | 21:11 |
| alkisg | d1zzYLuLz: how old systems? How much RAM? | 21:14 |
| alkisg | If they're very old, you might want to consider LTSP, i.e. use them as thin clients instead | 21:15 |
| d1zzYLuLz | they're pretty old..im goin to max out there ram | 21:16 |
| d1zzYLuLz | LTSP though, it's not much | 21:16 |
| d1zzYLuLz | it's like 2 computers here, 3-4 there... | 21:16 |
| alkisg | Ah, ok. So you think about 512 ram? | 21:16 |
| d1zzYLuLz | otherwise, the whole project was a pretty bad flop | 21:16 |
| d1zzYLuLz | yeah maybe a little more than that..def no more than 2GB in the best one | 21:17 |
| alkisg | With 1-2 Gb you could just install edubuntu, no need for lxde/xfce | 21:17 |
| d1zzYLuLz | but im guessing between 512-1gb | 21:17 |
| alkisg | For that ^ yeah something lighter would probably be better | 21:17 |
| d1zzYLuLz | and use the gnome fallback? | 21:17 |
| alkisg | Yeah, it's easier for older PCs | 21:17 |
| alkisg | For 512 I'd use LXDE, for 1 Gb, gnome-fallback | 21:18 |
| alkisg | So if you're going to have 512 mb clients, maybe go with lxde for all of them... | 21:18 |
| d1zzYLuLz | okay...so do you think lubuntu w/ edubuntu repos, or edubuntu and install lxde | 21:18 |
| alkisg | For 512, the first | 21:19 |
| alkisg | E.g. some might only want gtk apps to avoid the kde libs | 21:19 |
| alkisg | That would save them lots of ram | 21:19 |
| alkisg | (btw there are no "edubuntu repos", it's just main/universe etc) | 21:20 |
| d1zzYLuLz | oh, okay..i thought their were special edubuntu repos.. | 21:20 |
| d1zzYLuLz | so i'll have to find a list of good games | 21:20 |
| v4169sgr | Hello, I have a question about Dell FX170 thin clients and LTSP | 21:31 |
| v4169sgr | Is this the right place to ask? | 21:31 |
| === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage | ||
| === jbicha_ is now known as jbicha | ||
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