[09:19] <CARCASS> hi guys, I need help with keyboard layouts in lubuntu 12.04. Somehow I deleted russian keyboard layout and don't know how to add it back to my system
[09:21] <CARCASS> i can only switch layouts in lxkeymap
[09:31] <CARCASS> fixed that! Found the file /home/user/.config/lxkeymap.cfg and added "layout = us,ru"
[11:50] <leszek> hi
[13:05] <tata> did Lubuntu 11.10 recognize wireless usb, Ovislink WL 1700 usb
[13:06] <leszek> tata: which chip ?
[13:07] <tata> chip of usb or...?
[13:10] <leszek> wlan chip
[13:10] <tata> ralink
[13:28] <fhtagn> howdy!
[13:34] <fhtagn> i am looking into installing lubuntu, and wanted to know what kind of encryption I can use, what are my options..
[13:44] <leszek> tata: ralink chipsets normally are very well supported
[13:44] <leszek> tata: but just try out a live system to test it to be sure
[13:45] <leszek> fhtagn: ubiquity uses encfs to encrypt the home folder if you check one box during the installation process
[13:46] <tata> ok, but, to test it I must to pay for it and what if it not work?
[13:48] <leszek> ah tata you don't have the stick yet ? Than try to find out what chip is in there more precisely
[13:50] <tata> ok, i try
[13:59] <fhtagn> leszek: ty, i'll look into that
[14:00] <fhtagn> and what would the encryption password be? my user account password?
[14:03] <fhtagn> ah is this it ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome#Encrypted_Home
[14:03] <whatev-1010> hi
[14:03] <whatev-1010> hello?
[14:03] <whatev-1010> is this working
[14:03] <whatev-1010> ?
[14:03] <fhtagn> whatev-1010: yhellow
[14:04] <whatev-1010> i need help formatting a drive
[14:04] <whatev-1010> i opened "Disk Utility" and i tried to format but it's giving me a "read only" error
[14:05] <fhtagn> is this your error http://askubuntu.com/questions/68809/how-to-format-usb-or-external-drive-in-11-10#comment121715_69129 ?
[14:06] <pcroque> fhtagn: Yes...that link describes it. Your home directory is unlocked when you login with your user password.
[14:06] <pcroque> fhtagn: Full disk encryption with LUKS also works well with Lubuntu, but it's a little harder to set up.
[14:07] <whatev-1010> hello? any help with my issue?
[15:30] <odrin> hello. I am interested in switching from ubuntu to lubuntu. I understand I can switch without completely reinstalling... but am unsure how to do this.
[15:30] <leszek>  /back
[15:31] <leszek> odrin: you only need to install the lubuntu-desktop metapackage. It will download and take care of the rest
[15:31] <odrin> so I just search for lubuntu in the ubuntu software center?
[15:33] <leszek> basically yes
[15:35] <leszek> but I am not sure if this will show up in the plain software center (it is hiding some packages and only showing apps, as lubuntu isn't an app it might not showing it). So you need to either do it by command line i.e. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop or with synaptic (after installing it via the software center)
[15:36] <odrin> had to search for lubuntu-desktop, showed up then
[15:37] <leszek> nice
[15:52] <odrin> ok... so i downloaded the metapackage and installed it... rebooted.. how do I actually change to the lubuntu desktop?
[15:53] <Sentynel> odrin: there should be a dropdown menu of some sort on the login screen to choose which desktop to log in to
[16:04] <odrin> ok... someone had posted the command line to manually get the lubuntu desktop and then install it... can I get those again?
[16:06] <leszek> odrin: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[16:06] <leszek> I thought you already installed it ?
[16:07] <odrin> i did... when I boot up it shows the lubuntu splash, but goes straight into ubuntu desktop with no option to switch to lubuntu
[16:09] <leszek> you need to logout and then change the session (the configure button) to Lubuntu (LXDE) and relogin again
[16:09] <odrin> k ill be back in a mi
[16:15] <odrin> thank you so much. It allready seems to be running so much faster
[16:19] <leszek> :)
[18:56] <qkslvrwolf> Does the openbox autostart work under lubuntu?
[18:58] <qkslvrwolf> or the lxde autostart?
[18:59] <bioterror> we prefer ~/.config/autostart/progam.desktop
[18:59] <qkslvrwolf> Well, two questions:  I don't have an existing .config/autostart directory. If I create one, will it pick it up?
[18:59] <bioterror> yes
[19:00] <qkslvrwolf> Second: the application I want is a console java application that needs the xserver (selenium, launches browssers)
[19:00] <qkslvrwolf> will I be able to redirect stdout stderr to files?
[19:00] <qkslvrwolf> and still read from them?
[19:02] <bioterror> exec=command
[19:02] <bioterror> what ever you use to launch your application
[19:03] <qkslvrwolf> does it need to have a .desktop file, or can I just put an arbitrary file in ~/.config/autostart and have it work?
[19:03] <bioterror> it has to be .desktop
[19:03] <wxl> there's ways around that
[19:04] <wxl> hold on gotta remember the location
[19:05] <bioterror> I'll break your fingers if you put system wide configurations
[19:05] <bioterror> ;D
[19:05] <wxl> nope
[19:05] <qkslvrwolf> :-)
[19:05] <wxl> ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[19:05] <wxl> it's a local copy of the systemwide xdg startup
[19:08] <wxl> so let's say you have a script foobar, put foobar in the autostart file
[19:08] <wxl> done
[19:08] <qkslvrwolf> does it have to be executable?  And with the straight autostart files, I just treat it like a script, right so I can just do "/usr/bin/java my.jar" at the end of the autotart file,right?
[19:09] <wxl> or if you want to run something like "ssh -tCi /home/foo/some.key someone@somewhere.tk tmux -u2 attach" you can put that in there too
[19:09] <wxl> yep
[19:09] <wxl> if memory serves me correctly it does NOT have to be excuteable
[19:10] <wxl> might have to be excuteable
[19:10] <wxl> the systemwide one is
[19:10] <wxl> hm
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> does it log what it tries to do someplace?
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> i can't get it to do anything
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> I even threw a "zenity --about &" in there.
[19:14] <wxl> now THAT'S a good question.
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> lol
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> ooops
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> don't have zenity.
[19:14] <wxl> why don't you get it to touch some file
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> lol
[19:14] <qkslvrwolf> good call.
[19:14] <wxl> that will be pretty obvious
[19:15] <qkslvrwolf> ok, so it touches the file
[19:15] <qkslvrwolf> but the java app still isn't runnign
[19:16] <wxl> that's curious
[19:16] <qkslvrwolf> nor even attempting to run
[19:16] <wxl> you could always > somewhere
[19:16] <qkslvrwolf> that's what I'm doing
[19:16] <wxl> /usr/bin/java my.jar > my.jar.log
[19:16] <qkslvrwolf> the redirectlys aren't even creating a file
[19:16] <qkslvrwolf> not even an empty file.
[19:16] <wxl> hm
[19:17] <wxl> assumedly you've tried to run it from the command line already? i know that's a dumb question.
[19:17] <qkslvrwolf> no, not dumb, but yes I have and it works
[19:17] <qkslvrwolf> with or without the redirects
[19:18] <wxl> if you do the redirects, you get output?
[19:18] <qkslvrwolf> yes
[19:18] <wxl> is there anything else in autostart?
[19:18] <qkslvrwolf> just the touch that works
[19:19] <wxl> and if you remove the touch, still the autostart does not work?
[19:19] <qkslvrwolf> let me try changing the order...java first, then touch.
[19:21] <qkslvrwolf> yeah
[19:21] <wxl> did work?
[19:21] <qkslvrwolf> the touch creates the file, but java still produces nothing
[19:21] <qkslvrwolf> it's like it's skipping that command.
[19:21] <qkslvrwolf> hmm...
[19:21] <wxl> maybe it's an evironment issue
[19:22] <wxl> http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Autostart
[19:22] <qkslvrwolf> yeah, read that
[19:22] <qkslvrwolf> :-/
[19:22] <qkslvrwolf> I'm using full paths, though
[19:22] <qkslvrwolf> and the jar file is self-contained, so I don't need a classpath.
[19:22] <wxl> not for my.jar!
[19:22] <wxl> /usrbin/java is full path
[19:22] <wxl> my.jar is not
[19:22] <wxl> that's it i bet
[19:22] <bioterror> java == jar jar binks :D
[19:23] <wxl> hgahahahah
[19:23] <qkslvrwolf> lol
[19:23] <bioterror> you can execute that program from the terminal without a problem?
[19:24] <qkslvrwolf> the full line is /usr/bin/java -jar /opt/selenium/selenium-server-standalone-2.21.0.jar -role node -hub http://192.168.0.10:4444/grid/register > /var/log/selenium/sgrid.out 2> /var/log/selenium/sgrid.err &
[19:24] <qkslvrwolf> and yes, I can.
[19:24] <qkslvrwolf> hmm...gonna try echoing the exit code instead of touchig a file...
[19:24] <wxl> /var/log may be your problem
[19:25] <qkslvrwolf> /var/log/selenium is chowned to my user.
[19:25] <wxl> um
[19:25] <wxl> don't know that autostart runs as your users
[19:25] <qkslvrwolf> oh.
[19:25] <qkslvrwolf> really?
[19:25] <qkslvrwolf> how would it not?
[19:25] <wxl> dunno
[19:25] <qkslvrwolf> if I was gonna run a graphical app, wouldn't it need my x session?
[19:26] <qkslvrwolf> ok
[19:26] <qkslvrwolf> lemme try the outputs to /tmp instead
[19:26] <wxl> indeed openbox is running as my user
[19:26] <wxl> but you might try other locations for sure
[19:26] <wxl> including your home and/or tmp
[19:28] <bioterror> qkslvrwolf, wget  this to your desktop, for example: http://ricecows.org/lubuntu/selenium.desktop
[19:28] <bioterror> and can you execute it?
[19:30] <qkslvrwolf> bioterror:  double-clicking it doesn't work.
[19:30] <qkslvrwolf> wxl: /tmp, same thing.
[19:31] <bioterror> qkslvrwolf, really?
[19:31] <bioterror> it does not launch it?
[19:31] <qkslvrwolf> correct, it doesn't do anything.
[19:31] <bioterror> you dont see it in a ps aux
[19:31] <qkslvrwolf> nope.
[19:31] <qkslvrwolf> no java
[19:31] <bioterror> then that line has something wrong with it
[19:31] <wxl> freaking java
[19:31] <qkslvrwolf> but I can run it from teh terminal.
[19:32] <qkslvrwolf> I mean, i'll grant it could be an environment somehow
[19:32] <wxl> i don't see how unless it's a userissue
[19:32] <wxl> OH
[19:32] <wxl> is /var, /var/log, /var/log/selenium and the two log files chowned to your user?
[19:33] <qkslvrwolf> no, but I shouldn't have to actually write to /var/ or /var/log.  They're read/execute for other, which means I can traverse to /var/log/selenium, which I can write to.
[19:34] <qkslvrwolf> and that doesnt' explain why it didn't work when I changed it to /tmp
[19:34] <wxl> hm
[19:34] <qkslvrwolf> doublechecked teh command works as it's in the selenium.desktop file.
[19:34] <qkslvrwolf> are you sure terminal=false is correct?
[19:35] <qkslvrwolf> what if I set terminal=true?
[19:35] <qkslvrwolf> it'd actually be fine for it to launch in a term
[19:36] <qkslvrwolf> nope, still doesn't work.
[19:36] <wxl> that is something mighty bizarre
[19:54] <qkslvrwolf> I wonder if I need to nohup it?
[19:57] <qkslvrwolf> no hup
[19:57] <qkslvrwolf> that's the secret
[19:57] <qkslvrwolf> nohup.
[19:57] <qkslvrwolf> jeez
[19:58] <qkslvrwolf> well, kind of.
[19:59] <wxl> ?
[19:59] <qkslvrwolf> I made a script in /usr/bin/
[19:59] <qkslvrwolf> did a nohup <everything> & in the script
[19:59] <qkslvrwolf> then just called the script in autostart
[19:59] <qkslvrwolf> now I'm gonna see if nohup works directly in autostart.
[20:02] <qkslvrwolf> nope
[20:02] <qkslvrwolf> gotta use the script
[20:02] <qkslvrwolf> weird.
[20:03] <wxl> bizarro
[20:06] <qkslvrwolf> something else weird...maybe this is just nohup.  the parent process of the java becomes 1
[20:08] <wxl> Yes, in the case where you logoff and you have a nohup'ed command running, the parent PID becomes 1 (init) and the process continues to run
[20:09] <qkslvrwolf> huh...so somehow that was getting logged out.
[20:09] <qkslvrwolf> that is WEIRD.
[20:09] <qkslvrwolf> specially 'cause I started launching a firefox instance as well
[20:09] <qkslvrwolf> and that didn't get logged otu
[20:09] <wxl> in autostart???
[20:09] <wxl> with nohup
[20:09] <qkslvrwolf> nope, no nohup
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> but it appeared and ran with my user
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> but it executed teh next thing without a backgrounding
[20:10] <wxl> hm
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> I'm just confused
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> but I got it working
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> so {shrug}
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> another day
[20:10] <qkslvrwolf> thanks for all the help!
[20:10] <wxl> np
[20:26] <fhtagn> howdy!
[20:26] <fhtagn> testing lubuntu on a live usb
[20:26] <fhtagn> wifi appears to be working. Anything obvious I should check=
[20:26] <fhtagn> obviously my keyboard needs to be changed...
[20:26] <Unit193> Basically that all drivers work.
[20:27] <Drunk> Additional Drivers.
[20:27] <fhtagn> yay fn keys work.
[20:27] <fhtagn> youtube, currently html5, doesn-t...
[20:27] <Drunk> What's ya laptop ya usin'?
[20:28] <Drunk> lubuntu restriced extras.
[20:28] <fhtagn> asus x55s or so
[20:28] <fhtagn> will look into thar
[20:28] <fhtagn> that
[20:28] <Drunk> Go into Synaptic package manager.
[20:28] <Drunk> Search for "Restriced Extras".
[20:28] <Drunk> Install the Lubuntu one.
[20:28] <Drunk> That will give you flash, etc..
[20:30] <Drunk> Incase you have any problems with the install of the extras (I did with one of MS fonts), you need to press tab to get access the "OK" in the terminal graphic, if it comes up during the install.
[20:31] <fhtagn> lol weird, looks like a curses GUI inside a regular GUI
[20:31] <fhtagn> but got it.
[20:33] <fhtagn> hmm `Failure to download extra data filesName-ar.UTF-8:<lots of characters in several languages`
[20:35] <fhtagn> youtube works.
[20:35] <Drunk_> Nice.
[20:35] <fhtagn> http://www.captainforever.com/captainforever.php doesn-t..
[20:36] <fhtagn> i would reboot, but i am still `in` the live usb
[20:36] <fhtagn> and i did restart chromium.
[20:36] <Drunk_> LibreOffice from the "Lubuntu Software Centre" might be a better alternative to AbiWord and Nmumeric.
[21:12] <AngelForget> good very good lubuntu 12.10 vers. test
[21:41] <silverlion> hey every1. anyone an idea for a presenter software that is not libre/open office? those packages keep producing system failures with me
[21:44] <Drunk_> Silver, have you tried AbiWord, Gnumeric?
[21:44] <Drunk_> KOffice is another.
[21:44] <Drunk_> Google Docs.
[21:45] <silverlion> Drunk_: question 1: affirmative using AbiWord and Gnumeric already
[21:46] <silverlion> Question 2: Koffice is not the favorite, Question 3 honestly i prefer an offline version
[21:47] <silverlion> Drunk_: but thx anyway
[21:47] <Drunk_> Okay.
[22:16] <pcroque> silverlion: Are you using libreoffice 3.5? I am seeing a big jump in stability from 3.4 to 3.5.
[22:21] <silverlion> pcroque: i just installed the package from the synaptic
[22:21] <silverlion> and that was 3.5
[22:22] <silverlion> then tried to dl 3.4 from the webpage but only could get a RC
[22:27] <pcroque> Well, unfortunately, I don't know of any other presentation programs for linux.
[22:28] <pcroque> Maybe libreoffice will get there for you in time. They seem to be heading in the right direction now.
[22:29] <silverlion> pcroque: honestly i switched libre from my laptop to star office as well
[22:32] <Drunk_> There are two other Linux office suites that might be of use: Calligra Suite, or Siag Office.
[22:33] <silverlion> Drunk_: tested calligra already but the environment is not my favorite
[22:33] <silverlion> havent got any Idea about Siag Office
[22:33] <Drunk_> http://siag.nu/
[22:35] <silverlion> Drunk_: thx ... but as far as i understood there is no presenter program like impress / Powerpoint in it
[22:36] <Drunk_> It might be an idea to run Microsoft's Office Suite, Excel, Word, and PowerPoint under Wine, if you can't find a Linux compatible program you like.
[22:38] <silverlion> Drunk_: thought about that as well but then i would have to pay license ;)
[22:39] <silverlion> i am still looking
[22:39] <Drunk_> Yeah.
[22:45] <Drunk_> How about IBM Lotus Symphony office suite? I don't know how much different it is to OpenOffice, now that it's started its merger with OpenOffice, but it's worth a shot.
[22:45] <Drunk_> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/
[22:46] <UBuxuBU> are you saying its free?
[22:46] <silverlion> UBuxuBU: its free ... yeah but you need a registration to get it ... and that is what makes me refusing...
[22:47] <UBuxuBU> hmmm, i wonder why thye require registration?
[22:48] <silverlion> UBuxuBU: its IBM?
[22:48] <silverlion> :D
[22:49] <silverlion> but anyway. seems like libreoffice has just brought up a new stable release
[22:49] <Drunk_> There's GNOME office, I guess.
[22:50] <silverlion> Drunk_: gnome office has no presenter
[22:50] <Drunk_> But, it looks like it's just bringing together a list of tools we've mentioned already.
[22:50] <silverlion> ;)
[22:50] <Drunk_> Right.
[22:50] <silverlion> anyways its nearly 1AM. i gotta sleep now :D
[22:51] <UBuxuBU> is everything ok with libraoffice?
[22:52] <silverlion> UBuxuBU: well the version i installed from synaptic (3.5.3) kept getting me system-crashes
[22:52] <silverlion> i will try to test .4 tomorrow after shift
[22:52] <UBuxuBU> ok ty
[22:53] <UBuxuBU> i hate to admit it, but i still like OO the best.
[22:54] <silverlion> gn8