=== smb` is now known as smb | ||
* smb mornings | 07:06 | |
ppisati | moin | 07:35 |
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cooloney | ppisati: moin, | 07:40 |
smb | ppisati, cooloney morning guys | 07:46 |
smb | (or whatever time) | 07:46 |
cooloney | smb: hey, man | 07:47 |
tgardner | apw, so, are you reworking 'UBUNTU: [Config] linux-image-extras needs full postinst' ? | 12:21 |
apw | tgardner, yep, have it here, forgot to send it out :/ | 12:22 |
tgardner | apw, http://tech.surveypoint.com/make-grub2-boot-the-last-operating-system-you-used.html | 13:43 |
apw | tgardner, thats not quite the same ... hmm | 13:45 |
tgardner | apw, not quite, but there are some clues there | 13:45 |
apw | tgardner, i am sure its a doable indeed. | 13:49 |
apw | ogasawara, ok i've enhanced the config checker so it basically has teh same predicate language for configuration settings ... i've made a preliminary alpha1 review page for comparison: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/QKernelConfigReview/Alpha1 | 14:17 |
ogasawara | apw: thanks, /me will review | 14:18 |
ppisati | apw: can you send the script used to generate the matrix? | 14:18 |
ppisati | *send me | 14:18 |
apw | ppisati, its all in kteam tools, you need the before release and after release git repos, both checked out at the branch tip you want to compare | 14:19 |
ppisati | apw: ack, what's the name of the script? | 14:19 |
apw | then you do like .../kteam-tools/devel/devel-config-summary ubuntu-precise ubuntu-quantal >SUMMARY | 14:19 |
apw | ppisati, but let me push the latest | 14:20 |
apw | ppisati, ok pushed | 14:20 |
ppisati | apw: so in my case, to do a comparison between master and omap4 branchesi need two dirs with Q/master and Q/omap4, right? | 14:20 |
apw | ppisati, to compare a non-standard branch with a standard b | 14:20 |
apw | branch, you can checkout the say ti-omap4 at the tip you want, and then fdr genconfigs, then checkout master-next again and regenerate | 14:21 |
apw | and you will get the configs mixed together | 14:21 |
ppisati | uhm, ok | 14:21 |
ppisati | let me try | 14:21 |
hallyn | So I've got this lenovo s10-3. since start of maverick, it hasn't resumed from suspend, and Len Brown basically threw his hands in the air saying the bios is doing something wrong. Now, as of a few weeks ago, the precise kernel seems to leave the wireless NIC in a bad state (broadcom) iwth phy0 rfkill hard off | 14:34 |
hallyn | i have to boot into lucid, suspend, resume, and then it's back up (until i boot precise) | 14:35 |
hallyn | anyone heard of such a thing? | 14:35 |
hallyn | i'm about to resign myself to running lucid on it... (or holding down paper with it) | 14:35 |
tgardner | cking, didn't you work on this one ^^ | 14:37 |
cking | tgardner, I can't recall any fix I worked on for that machine | 14:37 |
apw | ppisati, success ?? | 14:37 |
tgardner | cking, the s10 sounds like a model the hwe worked on. | 14:37 |
apw | vanhoof, ^^ | 14:38 |
cking | bah, laptop just died | 14:40 |
apw | cking, you need to fix that | 14:40 |
cking | apw, it's called get a new one | 14:40 |
cking | apw, henrix, shall I check for flights for the sprint then? | 14:47 |
henrix | cking: hmm... actually, not sure yet as i may be flying from lisbon | 14:47 |
cking | henrix, ack | 14:48 |
henrix | cking: anyway, i'll let you know later today (or most probably tomorrow) | 14:48 |
henrix | cking: and thanks for asking | 14:48 |
cking | hallyn, I've see another S10-3 which only suspend/resume on worked on natty | 14:52 |
apw | cking, yeah i may want to go out earlier will find out tonight | 14:52 |
hallyn | cking: for awhile in maverick/natty you could make suspend/resume work (not 100% reliably) by not using intel_idle. but that stopped. | 14:52 |
hallyn | still, not resuming was a pain but not a showstopper. no wireless is more of a showstopper. | 14:53 |
cking | hallyn, apparently using kernel parameter "nohpet" seemed to have helped that particular user | 14:53 |
hallyn | i just don't understand why suspend/resume unblocks wireless | 14:53 |
hallyn | right. nohpet never worked for me, but i've seen that. | 14:53 |
apw | hallyn, bios is run during those two | 14:53 |
hallyn | why isn't bios run during boot? :) | 14:53 |
apw | hallyn, literally _anything_ can happen | 14:54 |
hallyn | oh, the kernel driver must muck it up? | 14:54 |
apw | hallyn, some bits of it are, but who knows if its working right | 14:54 |
apw | hallyn, likely the kernle is doing what the bios asks, and that is not working | 14:54 |
cking | you did say it was broadcom wireless- I suspect that's the binary blob wl driver | 14:54 |
apw | hallyn, which chipset is it? perhaps brcmsmac will work better for you | 14:55 |
hallyn | cking: i could try blacklisting that (thought about it( but the brcmsmac driver hangs my laptop completely | 14:55 |
hallyn | interesting! | 14:55 |
hallyn | in lucid it reports a different model # :) Broadcom Corporation Device 4727 (rev 01) | 14:55 |
hallyn | pretty sure in precise kernel it said 43xx (not sure what the xx were ) | 14:56 |
hallyn | i'm upgrading the precise partition under chroot right now, hoping for a hail mary | 14:56 |
apw | hallyn, that prolly means its a pciid 4727 and lucid doesn't know it | 14:57 |
tgardner | hallyn, have you tried the Q kernel ? sforshee has done good stuff for brcmsmac. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport | 14:57 |
* cking notes it could be a collection of issues, wifi, firmware, etc, so teasing it out with a Q kernel may be a good starting place | 14:59 | |
hallyn | ok, i'll try the q kernel (if i can successfully upgrade under chroot) | 15:00 |
hallyn | thanks | 15:00 |
cking | hallyn, if you are feeling adventurous and can bear to download 650M of .ddeb, you can also try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S3SystemTapDebug | 15:01 |
ppisati | apw: cut&pasting all the config diff is such a PITA... | 15:04 |
apw | ? | 15:04 |
apw | ppisati, from where to where ? | 15:04 |
hallyn | cking: probably worth it, will try, once wifi is up | 15:06 |
ppisati | apw: after config generation into a wiki page | 15:08 |
apw | ppisati, editmoin ? | 15:08 |
ppisati | apw: do you have any smarter way to get the data there? | 15:08 |
ppisati | apw: never used | 15:08 |
apw | thats the smarter way | 15:08 |
* ogasawara back in 20 | 15:09 | |
apw | ogasawara, where are we with alpha1 kernel, i am doing some config review goop, and wondering if you'd want that in or out of a1 | 15:16 |
tgardner | apw, I've been pushing config review related changes | 15:21 |
apw | tgardner, ok ta | 15:23 |
ogasawara | apw: push it, I'm gonna upload our Alpha-1 kernel first thing Monday | 15:29 |
apw | ogasawara, will do, a _few_ more do to sign | 15:29 |
apw | sigh | 15:29 |
apw | smb, CONFIG_XEN_ACPI_PROCESSOR ... any idea why that is on for amd64 and off i386 | 15:47 |
smb | apw, I think it was changed because we don't really support a dom0 on i386 | 15:47 |
smb | hrmpf | 15:48 |
smb | which was true last release at least but I just did apt-cache search... | 15:49 |
tgardner | apw, smb: I don't think we want to support an i386 dom0 | 15:50 |
hallyn | cking: well i've got deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/q-lts-backport/ubuntu precise main, but i'm not getting the kernel from that | 15:51 |
apw | hallyn, you'd have to opt in ... tgardner whats todays meta packag for the lts kernel ? | 15:52 |
hallyn | d'oh | 15:52 |
tgardner | hallyn, apw: one of the packages in linux-meta-lts-backport-quantal | 15:53 |
tgardner | linux-image-generic-lts-backport-quantal | 15:53 |
hallyn | thanks. i'd tried just 'linux-lts-backport-quantal' but tha didn't help | 15:53 |
tgardner | hallyn, it didn't help because its not a package ? | 15:54 |
tgardner | hallyn, p.s. the name of the meta package is going to change. rick doesn't like 'backport' in the name | 15:55 |
hallyn | right i guess it's the source pkg name? anyway i'm now tethered over my phone to wifi so have a wider pipe. installing, thanks :) | 15:55 |
tgardner | hallyn, do you normally live at the end of a 19K baud serial line ? | 15:56 |
hallyn | how i wish for 19K! 300, acoustically coupled | 15:57 |
tgardner | what a dinosaur | 15:57 |
smb | tgardner, apw Somehow I would think at least the options should be right if there is a i386 hypervisor around. Which I thought was not but seem to be wrong | 15:57 |
hallyn | all right not really. | 15:57 |
tgardner | smb, -ENOPARSE, huh? | 15:58 |
apw | tgardner, he is saying even if we don't support it its there and the options should be right in it | 15:58 |
smb | *sigh* yeah, what he said | 15:59 |
tgardner | apw, agreed. I just don't wanna support it regardless. | 15:59 |
tgardner | some crazy outfit will bet their business on 32 bit dom0 using 10 year old Dell servers. | 16:01 |
smb | zul, Can you refresh my memory why the xen source package is in main but the binaries seem all to be in universe... | 16:01 |
zul | smb: the hypervisor? | 16:01 |
smb | tgardner, There probably already are them doing it with kvm and openstack | 16:01 |
smb | zul, that and the utils too | 16:01 |
smb | zul, at least | 16:01 |
zul | smb: because libxen is in main since its a dep for libvirt the rest isnt in main | 16:02 |
tgardner | smb, perhaps, but we don't have to give them more ways to hang themselves. | 16:02 |
smb | tgardner, if I am not just going mad (more than the usual) we already have the config in a way to enable it on i386 (at least precise) | 16:08 |
tgardner | smb, I'm sure we do, but I want it dropped by the time 14.04 is released. no better time to cut those ties then right now. | 16:10 |
hallyn | sigh, that didn't give me a nic at all. fraid i need to put it aside for a bit. | 16:11 |
tgardner | hallyn, wtf kind of nic do you have ? | 16:12 |
smb | tgardner, apw I would not want to make that decision just factually. Right now a different setting for the acpi processor in quantal sure does not make sense with the other options being what they are | 16:12 |
apw | smb, yeah i would say i'll harmonise them to stop the errors i am seeing | 16:12 |
apw | and you can argue with server and get it gone | 16:12 |
hallyn | tgardner: broadcom somesort | 16:12 |
tgardner | hallyn, you're gonna have to get a dmesg before we can figure out whats happening | 16:13 |
smb | apw, Right, if that makes sense. Just that this is sort of a new decision/new target. | 16:13 |
hallyn | yeah, if i don't throw it out the window first, i'll open a bug with dmesg output and such next time i turn the thing on | 16:14 |
hallyn | really would be nice to have it working, but since i still have no hope for resume anyway, it'll never be what it once was :) | 16:14 |
apw | hallyn, if you are going to throw it out send it to sforshee | 16:14 |
rtg_ | smb, there is no CONFIG_XEN_ACPI_PROCESSOR in precise. | 16:15 |
smb | rtg_, There should be. At least it is in what I got in master. And what I have been testing in -proposed | 16:16 |
apw | ppisati, do omap boards have 8250 serial ? | 16:17 |
hallyn | apw: is he building a beowulf cluster of netbooks? | 16:17 |
apw | hallyn, no but he has a fine hammer | 16:17 |
smb | rtg_, 15ca7f9c2a2dd8fdf263963c57504d0da6fbd84e | 16:17 |
hallyn | apw: it's my best laptop to use in the car, so i'm all talk - would more likely pick up a $15 wireless-n usb stick | 16:18 |
rtg_ | smb, ok, it would help if I was looking at the _tip_ of master-next. | 16:20 |
smb | rtg_, or tip of master now | 16:20 |
apw | hallyn, i was thinking he could try and fix it, is easier with the device in your hand | 16:20 |
smb | (its the change that is currently under verification) | 16:20 |
* apw pokes ppisati | 16:21 | |
ppisati | apw: there's an omap serial config, dunno if it exploits 8250 | 16:21 |
ppisati | apw: let me check | 16:21 |
rtg_ | smb, so I don't understand your objection to dropping this in quantal 32 bit. | 16:21 |
smb | rtg_, The objection is that it does not make sense to drop that single bit from 32bit then | 16:22 |
rtg_ | smb, thats circular. | 16:22 |
apw | rtg_, i think he means you have to turn off all of XEN host in 32bit or this option should be harmonised even if we offer no support | 16:23 |
smb | rtg_, Not when it is set y in common config | 16:23 |
smb | in precise | 16:23 |
apw | ogasawara, do yo u have a list of options you dinged for build failures on arm back in the day ? | 16:24 |
rtg_ | apw, so what we _shold_ do for quantal is CONFIG_XEN_DOM0=n | 16:24 |
smb | rtg_, But that is actually a new decision | 16:24 |
ogasawara | apw: I'd have to grep the logs, just a sec. I did give them all similar commit subjects so I could find them again. | 16:25 |
rtg_ | smb, so? we make new decisions about config options all the time. | 16:25 |
smb | Which has not been discussed, asked for, yada, yada | 16:25 |
ogasawara | apw: 1bd2e66f5ab6063b153e7638453d0bcf719f842f UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_AX88796 on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | df954481918bae6b7f93320b1be5fc0b6db42192 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_TI_CPSW on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | be637dbbc9c3cf51f91efec7236bef1f054c4a2f UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | 32e2f0b7eef1c46494ef4244646bccaa34d3b0e8 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_LIS3L02DQ on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | 37962f948cb20ee7fc1def0a3a8bff40abddc524 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_MFD_OMAP_USB_HOST on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | b1dad7778d5965bd81499ad7f44214453e5a94d6 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_EZX_PCAP on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | 59e1b9557ddc329e6181891ef4716ec4f2c6e1b2 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_EGALAX on arm | 16:26 |
ogasawara | b45ba114bef30fbdd10c57309963f8774e8f01a9 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_EETI on arm | 16:26 |
apw | rtg_, that is cirtainly an option indeed. for me i would just leave it on and docuemnt it unsupported ... | 16:26 |
smb | rtg_, What I want to say is that we should bring this topic to next uds and then move forward and not just do it in q | 16:26 |
apw | if we are going to change it, we should at least start a thread about it | 16:27 |
smb | I guess at least that. Otherwise (or even with it) it ends up as the we drop non-pae | 16:27 |
ppisati | apw: totally different stuff (omap_serial vs 8250) | 16:28 |
ppisati | drivers/tty/serial/omap-serial.c | 16:29 |
* smb goes off to have a pint of fermented apple juice... | 16:29 | |
apw | ppisati, ok so that doesn't need to be builtin for arm* then yes? 8250 serial drivers ? | 16:30 |
ppisati | apw: nope | 16:31 |
ppisati | apw: actually i'm talking about omap here | 16:31 |
apw | ppisati, as am i, omap only | 16:31 |
ppisati | apw: if you are doping another arm soc, it's a totally different thing | 16:31 |
ppisati | ok | 16:31 |
apw | omap3 only indeed | 16:31 |
apw | master branch only | 16:31 |
ppisati | ack | 16:31 |
apw | ppisati, thanks | 16:32 |
ogra_ | do we have an equivalent to the linux-version tool from debian ? (from linux-base) | 16:35 |
apw | ogra_, no but that one should be installable now after tgardner fixed it | 16:35 |
apw | ogra_, as to whether it works ... is another question, if not poke me | 16:35 |
ogra_ | ah, great, seems the new flash-kernel uses it | 16:35 |
ogra_ | yeah, i got f-k on my TODO for tomorrow to fix the rough edges | 16:36 |
apw | ogra_, ok let me know, i need some u-space to play with | 16:36 |
ogra_ | k | 16:36 |
hallyn | tgardner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1015033/ has dmesg and lspci -v output fwiw (with q-backport kernel) | 16:37 |
rtg_ | ogra_, all I dropped from linux-base was /usr/bin/perf. /usr/bin/linux-version should still be intact. | 16:37 |
apw | rtg_, my memory is it may need ubuntuisation, but ogra_ can test that, and if it does we can fix it | 16:37 |
ogra_ | rtg_, awesome | 16:38 |
ogra_ | yeah, i will work through the bits and pieces tomorrow and let you guys know if i stumble | 16:38 |
rtg_ | apw, possibly, but thats a different problem. | 16:38 |
hallyn | oh that's before i modprobe brcmsmac | 16:39 |
rtg_ | hallyn, why do you have to modprobe it? do you have black lists ? | 16:39 |
apw | hallyn, do yo have wl installed, that blacklists brcmsmac by default, and bcma which it needs | 16:39 |
rtg_ | hallyn, what apw said. plus you may need linux-firmware-nonfree | 16:40 |
hallyn | oh riht that might have happened, i can't check right now bc after i tried to soft-unblock phy0 (with fn-f5) it hung | 16:40 |
hallyn | do i need linux-firmware-nonfree only to use wl, or also for brcmsmac? | 16:41 |
rtg_ | hallyn, just for brcmsmac | 16:41 |
hallyn | these names just kill me. is brcmsmac supposed to replace b43? | 16:48 |
apw | hallyn, i believe so yes | 16:49 |
hallyn | actually bcma-pci-bridge is what has started auto-modprobing | 16:49 |
hallyn | heh, but no change. when i unblock phy0, the thing hangs | 16:49 |
hallyn | cking: d'oh, i assume ddebs.ubuntu.com won' thelp me when i'm running the q-backports kernel | 16:56 |
rtg_ | hallyn, correct | 16:57 |
cking | hallyn, yep | 16:57 |
dileks | http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/all/linux-firmware/filelist | 17:18 |
dileks | http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/all/linux-firmware/filelist | 17:18 |
dileks | are there missing fws for ath6k? | 17:19 |
bjf | rtg_: when you get some free time, gomeisa could use htop | 17:23 |
rtg_ | bjf, done | 17:24 |
apw | dileks, there appear to be fewer in quantal, presumably we don't need them there as we only have 3.4 kernels ... rtg_ ^ | 17:25 |
cking | bjf just wants to see how hard he is driving it | 17:25 |
* bjf likes to make her squeal | 17:26 | |
rtg_ | dileks, right, I removed some older firmware files. did I get overzealous ? | 17:26 |
dileks | cant test as I have no ath6k wificard. I was asking bwh whuzzup on debian as ath6k was activated recently for trunk. | 17:28 |
dileks | is linux-firmware the correct place or should it be in -nonefree pkg? | 17:29 |
dileks | I mean whats the criteria to put fws in the one or other pkg? | 17:31 |
rtg_ | dileks, its must be redistributable | 17:32 |
jwi | rtg_: oh, that's a nice surprise for folks bisecting through older kernels... | 17:33 |
dileks | if its in linux-firmware.git its "freely redistributable"? | 17:33 |
rtg_ | jwi, we don't support kernels older then 3.2 on precise. | 17:34 |
rtg_ | dileks, yep. | 17:34 |
jwi | rtg_: i think the ar9170* are no longer used (replaced by carl9170); ar7010 looks fairly old too (htc_7010 now?) | 17:36 |
dileks | rtg_: thank you for enlightenment | 17:37 |
rtg_ | jwi, I mostly went by the MODULE_FIRMWARE statements in the kernel. there may well be some old cruft that I missed. | 17:37 |
rtg_ | I should get back and finish up a more thorough review | 17:38 |
rtg_ | I was just looking to save some space on the LiveCD | 17:38 |
apw | ogasawara, ok i've updated the summary a few more times, added a 'BUILD FAILURES' section for the ones you t | 17:43 |
apw | turned off | 17:43 |
ogasawara | apw: ah nice | 17:44 |
ogasawara | apw: so did you just hardcode the build failure ones? or should I stick with the same commit subject so it can be auto extracted? | 17:45 |
rtg_ | apw, when using quilt in a debian package it appears you cannot patch anything under the debian directory. Is that your experience ? | 17:45 |
apw | rtg_, right you can just edit those is my understanding | 17:45 |
apw | ogasawara, they are listed in the overrides right now | 17:45 |
rtg_ | apw, thats what I've done after struggling a a bit | 17:46 |
jwi | rtg_: dropping support is fine; but missing firmware is gonna make it a little harder to even *run* an older kernel (for testing purposes, to investigate a regression, ...). | 17:48 |
jwi | but i guess those folks know where to get the files manually | 17:48 |
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* ppisati is off | 17:56 | |
dileks | is that apt-pinning really necessary? | 17:56 |
dileks | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed | 17:56 |
dileks | especially -security and -updates | 17:57 |
dileks | if there is a higher ubuntu-version, this will be taken | 17:57 |
apw | dileks, i beleive that lets you not get proposed items you didn't specificially ask for | 17:57 |
dileks | giving -proposed 400 will not automatically update pkgs | 17:58 |
dileks | not using a preferences file will give -proposed 500 | 17:58 |
apw | dileks, i believe the intent of those is to let you make -proposed optin like -backports now is, i have no idea if that will work as written | 17:59 |
dileks | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-precise.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1015170/ | 18:00 |
dileks | I put that extra and partner repo stuff into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-precise-partner-and-extras.list | 18:02 |
dileks | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1015175/ | 18:02 |
dileks | dunno why /etc/apt/sources.list.d/$file is not used | 18:03 |
dileks | its much nicer than a big fat sources.list | 18:03 |
apw | dileks, presumably cause all the code which fiddles with it from the UI would have to change | 18:12 |
apw | even if ti could be cleaner and simpler now | 18:12 |
apw | ogasawara, am just buildtesting my config changes on x86 and then will push | 18:12 |
ogasawara | apw: ack | 18:12 |
apw | ogasawara, not bad for an afternoons effort, some 20 or so purples gone | 18:13 |
ogasawara | apw: nice | 18:13 |
apw | the new predicate based matching is helping get rid of 'em | 18:13 |
apw | ogasawara, more tommorrow :/ | 18:14 |
dileks | apw: what do you mean by "UI"? | 18:14 |
tgardner | ogasawara, you won't send out the LTS kernel email soon, will you ? I'm futzing with meta package names still. | 18:40 |
ogasawara | tgardner: am coordinating with nick skaggs, we're thinking of sending out some sort of announcement next Thurs to align with Alpha-1 | 18:41 |
ogasawara | tgardner: that enough time? | 18:41 |
tgardner | ogasawara, thats plenty of time. thanks. | 18:42 |
apw | dileks, the config manager thing for sources | 18:45 |
tgardner | ogasawara, uploaded new LTS kernel and meta packages to Q-series LTS Backport with -backport removed from all names. they should appear in awhile. | 20:10 |
ogasawara | tgardner: ack | 20:11 |
ogasawara | balloons: ^^ | 20:11 |
tgardner | ogasawara, gotta keep rick happy :) | 20:11 |
balloons | ack, thanks | 20:11 |
ogasawara | tgardner: heh, yah I informed nick we should strip all uses of the word "backport" from the announcement | 20:11 |
tgardner | ogasawara, cool. I'll confirm everything looks good in the morning. I'm EOD. | 20:12 |
ogasawara | tgardner: ack, I can test here too | 20:12 |
* tgardner -> EOD | 20:14 | |
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