[00:18] <harushimo> when installing maas, do I need install the server version of ubuntu?
[00:18] <harushimo> I'm using a vm to do it
[00:20] <fosterdv> http://people.canonical.com/~gavin/docs/lp:maas/install.html
[00:20] <bigjools> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS is better
[00:21] <harushimo> I checked this out
[00:21] <harushimo> it doesn't really answer the question
[00:21] <harushimo> I'll check it out again
[00:21] <harushimo> thank you
[00:21] <bigjools> yes it does
[00:21] <fosterdv> I think he was talking about mine.
[00:22] <harushimo> I haven't seen the other link
[00:22] <bigjools> it's a redirect from maas.ubuntu.com
[00:22] <fosterdv> The one you gave is pretty nice, thank you for that.
[00:22] <bigjools> my pleasure
[00:22] <harushimo> thank you for both of those links
[00:23] <harushimo> I checked out wiki.ubuntu.com one quite a few time
[00:23] <harushimo> the second one answers it
[00:23] <harushimo> the way it looks like to me, you need to have ubuntu server installed and then install maas
[00:24] <harushimo> the second link from canonical answers it
[00:24] <harushimo> thank you
[00:24] <bigjools> you don't *need* it for the server, I run it on my desktop installation.  But you need the server image for nodes.
[00:24] <harushimo> I'm doing a vm anyways
[00:24] <harushimo> I just install server and do it that way
[00:25] <harushimo> right which you need to import right
[00:25] <bigjools> ok
[00:26] <harushimo> its easier
[00:26] <harushimo> last time I install maas, apt-get broke
[00:26] <harushimo> correction I broke apt-get somehow
[00:28] <harushimo> that is why I decided to do a vm
[00:29] <harushimo> if my vm breaks, I can delete it and do a reinstall
[00:56] <JeffSi> Hello, I was working on getting a squid proxy server running which I eventually did get running, however, I just did a kernel update and something must have broke it. The problem is that I have no idea what may have broken it. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[01:11] <JeffSi> Any help would be appreciated if anyone gets a chance.
[01:25] <escott> JeffSi, its such an unlikely cause "changing the kernel affecting a userspace service" that its hard to figure how that might happen? Where did you get this kernel? What was its config?
[01:27] <JeffSi> escott: Thats what I was thinking but the only thing I did to the system was upgrade the kernel and reboot
[01:28] <JeffSi> I did an aptitude upgrade to get the kernel and what do you mean what was the config?
[01:33] <escott> JeffSi, if you got it through aptitude its a standard ubuntu config. i was wondering if you compiled your own
[01:37] <harushimo> is everything done in the command line on ubuntu-server
[01:37] <harushimo> I mean it doesn't have a front end
[01:38] <JeffSi> yes
[01:38] <harushimo> yes everything done in the command line?
[01:39] <harushimo> no front-end?
[01:39] <harushimo> I'm guessing yes to both of those questions
[01:39] <JeffSi> Sorry, yes
[01:41] <escott> harushimo, you could install one, but thats less "server-y"
[01:41] <harushimo> I'm just asking
[01:41] <harushimo> I figured
[01:42] <harushimo> I thought servers would have gui interfaces too
[01:42] <harushimo> my assumption was wrong
[01:42] <harushimo> how to install all the updates on server?
[01:43] <escott> harushimo, with windows and mac that may be true, but thats because their command lines are (historically) crippled and there are things you can only do through the gui
[01:43] <fosterdv> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:43] <harushimo> really
[01:43] <harushimo> I didn't know
[01:43] <harushimo> lets not go into macs
[01:43] <harushimo> those computers are they own breed
[01:44] <harushimo> because they don't fall any unix/linux behavior
[01:44] <harushimo> it is so different
[01:44] <harushimo> I like ubuntu desktop
[01:44] <harushimo> this is my first time using desktop version
[01:44] <fosterdv> apt-get update will search for available updates.. and apt-get upgrade will push your updates.
[01:45] <fosterdv> You can run them together by using the &&
[01:45] <JeffSi> I have no idea what to do to troubleshoot this
[01:45] <harushimo> I did the update part
[01:45] <harushimo> I forgot about the upgrade command
[01:46] <harushimo> would the command be sudo apt-get upgrade & apt-get update?
[01:46] <harushimo> like that
[01:53] <fosterdv> Yeah
[01:53] <harushimo> perfect
[01:53] <fosterdv> actually, no.
[01:53] <fosterdv> wait.
[01:53] <harushimo> ok
[01:53] <harushimo> what's up
[01:53] <harushimo> go ahead
[01:53] <harushimo> how does the command work?
[01:53] <fosterdv> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:53] <fosterdv> That's how it would go.
[01:53] <harushimo> perfecto
[01:53] <harushimo> I miss one
[01:53] <harushimo> hehe
[01:53] <fosterdv> ;)
[01:54] <harushimo> thanks everyone. I'm heading out.
[01:54] <fosterdv> Cya
[02:45] <escott> JeffSi, i would start by running the daemon from the cli and seeing what it outputs
[04:09] <manmeetbhangu_> hi
[04:09] <manmeetbhangu_> is there anyone who can help me in a small issue @ linux
[04:11] <RoyK> !ask
[04:11] <twb> RoyK: or !anyone
[04:14] <RoyK> !anyone
[04:15] <fosterdv> !patience
[04:18] <twb> He's gone, btw
[04:21] <ScottK> !gone
[04:21] <ScottK> Should have one for that too.
[04:21] <fosterdv> Lol, yeah
[04:23] <twb> ScottK: in #emacs, where I can edit the bot, I have about 70% of my IRC messages built into the bot
[04:23] <twb> e.g. /msg fsbot salespitch
[04:23] <twb> /msg fsbot twb-fix
[08:35] <SpinningWheels> i was copying a large amount of data from one drive to another using cp. at some point it stopped  what is the best way to continue the copy process ensuring that there isnt an incomplete file from random stop? if this is not a trivial task, i will start over and loose a few hours copy time
[08:35] <twb> SpinningWheels: learn rsync
[08:37] <SpinningWheels> from what i know about rsync it is slow for local copies and any way that i know of to use rsync to ensure proper copy is to checksum each file which would likely add even more overhead than starting over. correct me if im wrong.
[08:37] <SpinningWheels> cant use by date because the dates are the same (or the date of the copied file is newer, dont remember what cp does by default)
[08:41] <twb> SpinningWheels: rsync is not significantly slower than cp
[08:41] <twb> If I'm doing a cp -a of anything more than, say, 50MB or 1000 files, I will do rsync to begin with, and not even start with cp
[08:45] <SpinningWheels> rsync -rb src dest accomlish my task?
[08:50] <twb> I usually do rsync -ai src/ dst/
[08:50] <twb> rsync cares about trailing slashes, the easiest rule of thumb is just to always put them there
[08:51] <twb> The -a includes -r, the -i tells you what changes as it goes past.  You can omit -i if it's too noisy, you may also like --stats (which is printed at the end).
[08:51] <twb> rsync has a lot of options so you should get comfortable with the common ones
[08:52] <SpinningWheels> thank you for your help. :)
[08:53] <jolaren> Gah!! All of a sudden everything stopped working ;p .. i did some changes to my sshd_config file but backed it up first and removed the edits and pasted the old one that functioned.. still can't connect over ssh and my teamspeak server is no longer running either
[08:53] <andol> Doesn't hurt to reread rsync(1) now and then. Somehow there is always some useful option you had failed to notice the last time :)
[08:53] <jolaren> rly strange
[08:55] <jolaren> I did a "ip a" and I can now see that eth0 is giving me "no-carrier, broadcast, multicast, up"
[08:55] <twb> jolaren: the cable is inplugged
[08:55] <jolaren> wtf lol
[08:55] <jolaren> two fucking hours of error searching
[08:55] <jolaren> thanks twb
[08:56] <twb> "no carrier" in ip link, means the cable from the server to the switch is unplugged
[08:56] <twb> Note that it can only "see" the nearest cable segment
[08:56] <jolaren> I didn't pick up on it, but now I'll never forget it
[08:57] <jolaren> Stupid box, I have a LED behind the network cable.. so it looks like it's plugged in
[08:57] <twb> Also it won't be reported if the link is not already up (i.e. "ip link set dev eth0 up"
[08:57] <twb> jolaren: check BOTH ends of the cable
[08:57] <twb> Also could be pins aren't quite mating &c, try a different cable
[08:57] <Tm_T> jolaren: language, please
[08:57] <jolaren> Someone must have pulled it out twb .. ;p
[08:57] <jolaren> And I'm sorry for the language. I'll refrain myself.
[08:59] <twb> You're lucky, I've been yak shaving for FOUR hours
[08:59] <twb> haha, and it just crashed in a new way
[09:00] <jolaren> This was so imcredibly stupid.. I wonder who pulled the chord and why.. the only solution I can think of would be the maintainance lady
[09:00] <SpinningWheels> without yaks there would be no life.
[09:01] <SpinningWheels> dont feel bad, i just spent a few hours on a simple mac address change during a virtual box import. sad thing is, i knew it did that, just never clicked with me that it actually... does that...
[09:01] <twb> SpinningWheels: it does that without asking?
[09:02] <SpinningWheels> yep. its part of the default behavior to prevent the other "oh **** why isnt this working now?" of having multilple vm's with identical mac addresses on the same network
[09:06] <twb> Sigh
[09:06] <twb> Personally I base my MACs on the hostnames, so if I make a new host to replace an old one, the MAC doesn't change
[09:07] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/171888/
[09:08] <SpinningWheels> heh, interesting
[09:09] <Japje> a/w 156
[09:09] <Japje> meh
[09:10] <yaboo> got a ivy bridge machine, when I try to install ubuntu, it goes through the motions, but it will not boot after the install
[09:10] <SpinningWheels> how many drives? did you install grub on the right one?
[09:11] <SpinningWheels> is it multi-boot?
[09:11] <yaboo> SpinningWheels, yes grub on the right one, and not multiboot
[09:12] <SpinningWheels> ok, the other basic stuff, sure your bios is booting off the right drive? (drive order, etc)
[09:12] <yaboo> yes it is
[09:13] <SpinningWheels> well that pretty much covers my fk ups. best thing i can think of is live boot and reinstall grub. was more painless than i anticipated.
[09:14] <yaboo> SpinningWheels, ok, will try
[09:16] <twb> Oh bollocks, I hope this isn't the x86 board that doesn't do PAE
[09:16] <SpinningWheels> o,0
[09:17] <twb> Hm, how can I test that easily when I cannot boot off a HDD or USB, only PXE?
[09:17] <SpinningWheels> heh, i never got around to doing PXE dispite my interest.
[09:18] <twb> In precise, what does this become?  sed -i /etc/default/console-setup -e '/^FONTFACE=/cFONTFACE=TerminusBold' -e '/^FONTSIZE=/cFONTSIZE=12x6'
[09:18] <twb> (i.e. the brute-force alternative to dpkg-reconfigure console-setup)
[09:19] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:19] <twb> Ah, I think console-setup is just not installed yet
[09:22] <yaboo> SpinningWheels, able to boot my ivy bridge laptop with a live usb, I can mount my install ubuntu partition, how can I check its bootable
[09:23] <SpinningWheels> i just reinstalled grub. afaik wont hurt anything if its already there.
[09:24] <yaboo> SpinningWheels, how do I do this again please
[09:28] <SpinningWheels> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=installing+grub
[09:34] <twb> yaboo: did you check the Ubuntu Server Guide and the Installation Guide for documentation on that?
[09:38] <jolaren> I'm searching for a reliable place to store a domain and also somewhere where they have many domains to choose from(.com/.net/.cc) etc
[09:40] <twb> jolaren: what is your budget?
[09:41] <jolaren> I just want the domain.. a few 10s a year?
[09:41] <twb> Do you just want to drop a few files somewhere people can get at them, or do you want to run an ecommerce site.  etc.
[09:42] <twb> To buy a domain you must talk to a domain registrar.  To host it you must run your own DNS server, or pay for DNS hosting.
[09:42] <SpinningWheels> godaddy has made me lazy
[10:28] <yaboo> SpinningWheels, seems I needed to have a efi partition, this ivy bridge ultra book to work.
[10:29] <yann3> hello!  I've got mysql-client behaving weirdly in ubuntu 12.4 - it doesnt like the --defaults-file  or --defaults-extra-file options... http://pastealacon.com/30290   anyone inspired ? :(
[10:34] <qbitza> Afternoon peeps
[10:35] <qbitza> Tries to do a virsh snapshot-create <domain> and it took a looooooooong time
[10:35] <qbitza> So 1: is there anyway of making faster, and 2:I stopped the process, and now the VM stays in paused state
[10:36] <qbitza> Is it busy performing the snapshot or is it in a broken state?
[11:03] <simoneke> Good evening - having installation issues with some ruby application and cannot get it fixed. Someone here who can have a quick look? :)
[11:19] <zul> good morning
[11:21] <ogra_> rbasak, FYI https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-May/035266.html
[11:22] <lynxman> zul: morning!
[11:22] <rbasak> thanks ogra_
[11:27] <ogra_> rbasak, you want to look at /usr/share/flash-kernel/db/ (there should also be a README about the format) to add new HW
[11:27] <rbasak> ok
[12:51] <tony_787> Hey i guys.. i have a question
[12:53] <tony_787> Mounting using this command " mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/Storage " is safe in ubuntu server 12.04 LTS ?
[12:54] <Fidelix> Hello, I want to format with ext4 an USB disk that I'll only be using for very large files. Any custom settings I should be using?
[13:08] <RoyK> Fidelix: no
[13:08] <RoyK> Fidelix: just mkfs -t ext4 /dev/blah
[13:09] <Fidelix> K. Thanks.
[14:09] <gmcinnes> Hi yall. I'm trying to increase the size of the ebs root volume provided by the latest 12.04 on amazon ec2.  I've tried: unmounting the vol, taking a snapshot, making a new larger vol from that snapshot, and attaching the new vol as the root device, but the instance won't boot.
[14:09] <gmcinnes> Any ideas?
[14:13] <ironm> hello. short info: for installations of MariaDB 5.3 or 5.5 on ubuntu-server 11.10 or 12.04 in off-line mode ... http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/mariadb/ubuntu/mariadb-ubuntu-local-repo.pdf
[14:14] <ironm> hanks in advance for any feedback
[14:14] <ironm> thanks
[14:56] <reisi> anyone here with experience with mini-sas hba adapter cards and ubuntu server? any recommendations?
[15:30] <maxtmahem> Probably an easy question, but I'm not sure where I went wrong. I was trying to add a dns search suffix to my server, so I made the appropriate changes to my network/interfaces file.
[15:30] <maxtmahem> While doing that, I noticed my nameservers weren't set there either, so I added them as well.
[15:31] <maxtmahem> After a networking restart however, I notice my resolv.conf has two sets of my nameservers in it.
[15:31] <maxtmahem> Removing them manually and restarting networking results in the extra nameservers being regenerated. Where are these comming from?
[16:09] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: the interfaces file, if you're using precise
[16:10] <maxtmahem> pmatulis: yes, I'm using 12.04, but the interfaces file had no dns-nameservers options in it untill I edited it.
[16:10] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: using dhcp?
[16:11] <maxtmahem> pmatulis: not for this server.
[16:12] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: so you have nameservers in the interfaces file now, you restart networking, anything wrong?
[16:12] <maxtmahem> pmatulis: Well not wrong per-say, but the nameservers are now appearing twice in my resolv.conf
[16:14] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: perhaps pastebin your interfaces file
[16:15] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: using any other kind of networking setup that may be related (ex: vpn or multi-homed)?
[16:18] <pior> gmcinnes, you may be able to do it with cloud-init
[16:18] <pior> maybe not straightforward, but there is a resize-fs step I think
[16:21] <maxtmahem> http://pastebin.com/gJEaNSiz
[16:25] <maxtmahem> pmatulis: shouldn't be anything but plain static networking.
[16:31] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: well, you have put 2 in there
[16:31] <maxtmahem> right, but I'm seeing 4 addresses in my resolv.conf
[16:33] <maxtmahem> resolve.conf http://pastebin.com/uVGxJ09W
[16:44] <pmatulis> maxtmahem: strange
[16:45] <blendedbychris> Is this some sort of halt? http://screencast.com/t/vtDYbHh78f8
[16:52] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: is your server software up to date?
[16:52] <blendedbychris> yes? i was in the middle of upgrading when it did that but i think it just does that eventually with normal running
[16:52] <blendedbychris> this is precise with a few upgrades not up to date
[16:53] <blendedbychris> pmatulis: what exactly am i looking at btw?
[16:54] <zul> smoser: can you review/approve the openstack-qa spec
[16:54] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: it looks like a problem with hardware (seeing a lot of "irq")
[16:54] <blendedbychris> pmatulis: this is a hyper-v box :|
[16:56] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: probably has to do with the virtual stuff then
[16:56] <blendedbychris> pmatulis: any idea what i can look at to troubleshoot specifically?
[16:56] <blendedbychris> like to determin what piece of "hardware" is failing
[16:58] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: no.  i would contact microsoft first
[16:59] <blendedbychris> uh
[16:59] <blendedbychris> you crazy
[17:00] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: why?  isn't hyper-v a microsoft thing?
[17:01] <blendedbychris> i'd need to gather some sort of useful information to troubleshoot
[17:05] <blendedbychris> pmatulis: is what i am looking at stored in syslog?
[17:06] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: probably.  may also be in kern.log
[17:06] <blendedbychris> thanks
[17:06] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: but is there an actual problem?  does the server stop responding?
[17:06] <blendedbychris> pmatulis: yea it halts
[17:07] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: ok, that's bad.  runs for how long?
[17:07] <blendedbychris> well i'm not sure that's why i'm trying to find this in the log
[17:07] <blendedbychris> what's the number on the left translate to?
[17:08] <blendedbychris> "157.60.."
[17:09] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: it's the way the kernel monitors the uptime
[17:09] <blendedbychris> ah okay so it had been up for 150 secs?
[17:09] <blendedbychris> is there a logical reason one should use apparmor on a server?
[17:11] <blendedbychris> weird thing is i can't find anything that correlates to that in syslog or kern.log
[17:11] <jmedina> for security reason :)
[17:11] <blendedbychris> that screenshot oi posted
[18:23] <zul> Daviey: the scripts were done waaaaaay back
[18:23] <Daviey> zul: i remember :)
[18:23] <Daviey> zul: What efficiencies does using sqlite help with?
[18:23] <Daviey> ie, does it still poll all the data on each run?
[18:24] <zul> Daviey: caching the information on running
[18:24] <zul> it does
[18:25] <Daviey> zul: so.. is it still worth it?
[18:25] <zul> Daviey: its not hurting anyone :)
[18:25] <zul> Daviey: if someone wants to rewrite it then im all for it
[18:27] <zul> Daviey: but if there is several scripts that use the same information then you dont have to query launchpad for each script, you just pull down the information once
[18:27] <Daviey> right
[18:27] <zul> so in that way its still worth it
[18:44] <streulma> hello, does someone know how can I relay somename@domain-a.com to somename@domain-b.com ?
[18:45] <streulma> with postfix
[18:45] <streulma> somename is different
[18:45] <streulma> all mail that's come in on domain-a.com must be translated to domain-b.com
[19:03] <adam_g> roaksoax: ping
[19:03] <roaksoax> adam_g: pong
[19:04] <adam_g> roaksoax: so cobbler ships as part of MAAS currently, right?
[19:04] <roaksoax> adam_g: not exactly, maas-provision (a new package)
[19:04] <roaksoax> adam_g: it is a simplified version of cobbler
[19:05] <adam_g> roaksoax: okay, so is there any way i can install cobbler-web alongside that? seems i can't because of conflicts with its dependency on cobbler
[19:05] <roaksoax> adam_g: yeah, there's no way, unless you remove the depends on cobbler for cobbler-web (i.e. dowload the source, modify debian/control, rebuild, install)
[19:06] <adam_g> bahh, okay
[19:06] <adam_g> also, what is the correct profile for nodes ot be assigned to be used with MAAS+juju. is it $distro-$arch-juju, or maas-$distro-$arch ?
[19:06] <adam_g> roaksoax: ^
[19:07] <roaksoax> adam_g: maas-$distro-$arch
[19:07] <adam_g> thanks
[19:24] <hallyn> jamespage: around?
[19:24] <hallyn> actually maybe i should jump straight to : zul: around?
[19:24] <zul> hallyn: hah no
[19:24] <hallyn> zounds!
[19:25] <hallyn> zul: samba came up at the uds bug triage session, but not enough.  looking at bug 995817 .  the guy wants to share things over samba with nautilus.
[19:25] <hallyn> IMO, this should be targeted at nautilus, yes?
[19:25] <hallyn> I dont' want to retarget and then be called names and have it bounced back, but this is not a bug in samba
[19:26] <zul> hallyn:  yeah i think so, just wear your absestos shirt
[19:26] <hallyn> (and poor jamespage didn't know waht to do with it, apparently has never opened nautilus inhsi life :)
[19:26] <hallyn> alrighty
[19:26] <hallyn> thanks
[19:41] <jamespage> hallyn, for the life of me I could not figure out how to do what the reporter was doing :-)
[19:41] <hallyn> jamespage: right click on a folder in nautlius and choose 'sharing options'
[19:41] <jamespage> hallyn, yeah - I don't get that option!
[19:42] <jamespage> hence my confusion - maybe I'm hitting my own bug
[19:43] <adam_g> jamespage: oh, you're still up. what was the plan for supporting quantal deployments in CI with MAAS? i see there are multiple juju envs defined, was that to be a work around?
[19:43] <hallyn> iiinteresting
[19:43] <hallyn> jamespage: on a standard desktop install?
[19:43] <jamespage> hallyn: yep
[19:44] <jamespage> adam_g, other than make it work somehow I'd not got that far
[19:44] <jamespage> I suspect we will need to run maas from PPA to support quantal
[19:44] <jamespage> same with juju
[19:44] <adam_g> jamespage: ah, okay. was looking into it now, didn't realize how unsupported it really was
[19:44] <jamespage> I could not get it todo anything other that 12.04 when I tried a few weeks ago
[20:18] <esuave> anyone know how i can rename a volume group if it has logical volumes that are in use?
[20:19] <esuave> specifically the root logical volumes..
[21:04] <hallyn> stgraber: I guess actually the premounting of cgroups in a container would be better done through one of your hooks than through /var/lib/lxc/container/fstab - bc we want to mount each cgroup the current kernel knows about (not those existing at container create)
[21:05] <hallyn> so...  what's the status of the hooks?  :)  were you going to wait on a patch until the api is done?  (in which case i need to get coding!)
[21:11] <stgraber> hallyn: well, I'm quite busy on other work items at the moment but the hooks really should just be a few one-liners for the calls and a function to actually call them, so I'm not really waiting on the API before working on them
[21:32] <hallyn> stgraber: ok
[21:32] <hallyn> maybe we can get someone else on lxc-devel to hack them up :)
[21:32] <hallyn> or highvoltage :)
[21:52] <JonEdney> Whats the difference between the minimal system and OEM install?
[22:05] <donvito2> how can i make /var/www/ to be readable?
[22:44] <JonEdney> Any networking gurus around?
[23:03] <Patrickdk> !ask
[23:17] <harushimo> i like command line but is it possible to have gui interface behind ubuntu-server
[23:17] <harushimo> I'm just curious
[23:18] <fsd> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-gui-in-ubuntu-server.html
[23:23] <grendal-prime> grrr i need a radius server
[23:24] <harushimo> thank you
[23:24] <harushimo> I love command line but not this much
[23:24] <jmedina> harushimo: you can try zentyal
[23:25] <harushimo> zentyal?
[23:25] <harushimo> tell me some about this program
[23:25] <genii-around> harushimo: It's a web based control interface to ubuntu-server
[23:26] <harushimo> okay
[23:26] <harushimo> how will it load on the server?
[23:26] <genii-around> harushimo: As a web page
[23:26] <harushimo> when I install...don't you still need access to a browser
[23:26] <harushimo> I'm talking about on the server side here
[23:26] <harushimo> right now, my server has nothing
[23:27] <jmedina> harushimo: you can download the full iso, or you can add zentyal repos and install single packages
[23:27] <jmedina> just try it
[23:27] <grendal-prime> like a webmin thang?
[23:27] <jmedina> much better
[23:28] <grendal-prime> ya i do something similar to that..
[23:28] <grendal-prime> looks like its a ya small business server
[23:29] <grendal-prime> looks cool though
[23:29] <harushimo> okay I will
[23:29] <grendal-prime> does it do radius
[23:29] <harushimo> thanks everyone
[23:30] <genii-around> harushimo: The usual thing is that the server sits someplace on the network and serves webpages, files, whatever it is you have it doing. Then you have other machines which have graphical desktop and browser, one of those is what you use to access the server.
[23:30] <harushimo> right
[23:30] <harushimo> I'm just learning about the server side
[23:30] <genii-around> ( through ssh, or by something like zentyal ( or previously webmin ) )
[23:30] <harushimo> to me, I find a gui useful even in servers
[23:31] <harushimo> that is just me because it a little more efficent
[23:31] <harushimo> you can click and go
[23:31] <genii-around> For a server, it is not efficient
[23:31] <harushimo> it is good to know the command  line
[23:31] <harushimo> why
[23:31] <harushimo> memory hog
[23:31] <genii-around> Because X uses a ot of space and resources
[23:31] <harushimo> I didn't know that
[23:32] <harushimo> you have a lot of memory in these servers
[23:32] <harushimo> sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions
[23:32] <harushimo> I'm learning here
[23:35] <donvito2> but i think webmin is not compatible to ubuntu?
 webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system.
[23:36] <genii-around> donvito2: Thats why I said "or previously webmin"
[23:36] <donvito2> sory
[23:36] <donvito2> :)
[23:37] <donvito2> ebox is more compatabile with ubuntu/deb
[23:37] <genii-around> ebox and zentyal are different names for the same product
[23:38] <donvito2> but i remember
[23:38] <com7> hi everyone
[23:38] <donvito2> i had problems with ebox
[23:40] <com7> are you guys familiar with ubuntu 12.04?
[23:41] <com7> as many things have changed since 9.,
[23:42] <genii-around> com7: Do you have a more specific question?
[23:42] <com7> do you start services at buutuo still in /etc/rc.2d or so or is there something new, like service xxx
[23:44] <com7> no worries
[23:45] <hazmat> com7, there's a new init system called upstart, it has compatibility with sysv init scripts though
[23:45] <hazmat> see /etc/init/ for some examples of upstart scripts for services
[23:45] <hazmat> there significantly simpler imo
[23:45] <hazmat> you can use service xyz start|stop etc
[23:46] <genii-around> com7: Everything is being moved to upstart, which uses start/stop/restart servicename and the files are in /etc/init    . The old systemV stuff in /etc/init.d/ still gets run with /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf
[23:47] <genii-around> hazmat: I think it's service xyz start/stop    for the sysinitv stuff and start/stop xyz for native upstart
[23:47] <com7> thank you
[23:47] <com7> i ll check that
[23:52] <genii-around> com7: If you will be writing your own startup scripts, probably want to look into initctl, it basically has the function what the old update-rc.d did
[23:52] <com7> thank you so much!
[23:53] <com7> its then new way to start i think
[23:54] <com7> my old php-programs had deprecated functions...
[23:54] <com7> fixed now
[23:59] <erichammond> smoser: jbrowne indicates he submitted a merge proposal for the AWS ELB package.  What's the next step for this? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-awstools