[00:15] home at last [00:20] from anywhere exciting? [06:29] morning everyone ! :) === astromech is now known as Knightwise [06:39] morning ! :) [06:49] hey alan_g [07:19] good morning eveyone. [07:26] \o [07:29] hey brobostigon ! hey MartijnVdS ! [07:29] how are you doing [07:31] hey Knightwise [07:31] hey MartijnVdS [07:33] will be doing an interesting topic on this weeks podcast [07:33] Ubuntu on a G4 imac [07:34] still working through some issues though [07:34] lets say an app isn't compiled for ppc [07:35] (like for example flash and stuff) [07:35] can you compile it from source code ? [07:35] Morning all [07:35] hey diplo [07:36] morning morning [07:50] hey matt [07:50] question : just to get things straight for my podcast [07:51] when you have the sourcecode of an app , you can just compile it for whatever distro you are using .. right ? [07:51] but does that also mean that you can compile it for any processor ? [07:51] reason i'm asking is : if i run Linux on my PPC Imac [07:51] and i want to run chromium .. there is no port for chromium [07:52] is it possible for me to compile it from source ? [07:54] yes, Knightwise [07:55] Knightwise: if it's written properly, it shuold work [07:55] Knightwise: as for flash, you will have to use gnash, or similer, as adobe dont release the source. [07:57] thanx brobostigon , MartijnVdS [07:58] but if they use in-line assembler, or other processor-specific tricks (or bugs!), you're out of luck (unless you know the bugs/features and can work around them) [07:58] i'll go and try Gnash and anyone have any good alternatives to chromeium ? [07:58] (i have firefox 11 on it btw) [07:58] its a lubuntu 12.04 install [07:59] Knightwise: why not just use chromium? [07:59] Knightwise: i think there is a powerpc build of chromium in debian, so you might be able to get some help there. [08:01] aha , that sounds interesting. [08:01] Knightwise: i just checked, and there is. so you maybe able to import it. [08:03] aha :) so there is a ppc deb for chromium [08:03] might take a look at that. [08:03] be back in a sec [08:03] :) [08:08] aloha [08:14] morning all [08:17] morning all [08:22] just announced: sounds like Julian Assange extradition to go ahead [08:24] morning all [08:24] morning MooDoo [08:26] SuperEngineer: It's a weird situation. If he hadn't had the incident with those women then he'd have been fine. He was moving into the media too much tho, when somebody does that stuff they should be off the radar at all times. [08:28] agreed -- but -- but so should the CIA [08:29] SuperEngineer: Lol true [08:38] neat, new nvidia driver with xrandr support seems to work well [08:41] so, lets say my new work environment has been using SLED for the last two years (for dev/sysadminning), what arguements can i make to push them back to ubuntu?:) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:55] Argh! [08:55] Something is setting off a 'doorchime' sound on my computer, and I can't trace it. Any ideas? [08:56] The sound centre isn't giving any help at all. I've excluded thunderbird, pidgin, any sound notification (I killed the binary) [08:56] * kirrus wonders if someone is pranking him [09:03] kirrus: "door chime" sound? [09:03] kirrus: transmission finishing a download? [09:04] system bell? (check sound preferences -- it has options for "Glass" and "Sonar" etc.) [09:05] in the scary old days, I used to chase such faults by pulling the soundcard out, and then looking to see which processes were stuck when the kernel started spewing DMA timeouts all over the screen [09:05] kirrus: That normally happens to me when the mess on my desk overflows onto the keyboard. [09:05] (not recommended, just feeling old) [09:09] stuphi: hehe, yeah, not quite that bad ;) [09:09] MartijnVdS: don't run transmission! :/ [09:09] shauno: *wishes that still worked* [09:10] I'm not sure it should have worked in the first place. they were never designed to be hot-swappable :) [09:11] kirrus: keep the sound preferences window open on the "connected clients" list [09:11] Didn't change when it played :( [09:12] is it your PC playing it then? [09:12] some flash page in the background somewhere? [09:12] Aye, these don't have speakers, this is the only one attached to some speakers [09:12] No, not as far as I can tell [09:17] kirrus: does turning the volume up/down work? [09:18] MartijnVdS: not tried that yet.. the chime is short enough I can't get my hands to the right place on the keyboard fast enough. I might try turning it down this evening once I can [09:20] kirrus: have you tried answering the door ;) [09:24] AlanBell: :P [09:28] kirrus: no turn down the volume to minimum, wait.. then turn up to maximum, wait [10:00] morning all [10:11] directhex: Congratulations [10:24] * davmor2 feels like he missed out on the start of this conversation, DJones, directhex why are you being congratulate [10:25] davmor2: From twitter http://hasflisshadthebabyyet.apebox.org/ [10:26] DJones: nice [10:26] directhex: Congats dude [10:27] I guess that will mean mono developent will be postboned for the foreseeable future [10:28] DJones: next 18 years :D [10:33] Morning all! :) [10:36] czajkowski: prod [10:37] davmor2: ello how be you [10:37] czajkowski: I be tired, how be you [10:45] installing 12.04 on my desktop at work ... [10:45] * mattt holds onto his butts [10:46] davmor2: good, busy but good [10:48] mattt: I'm sure you know it's not going to be a problem. 12.04 is just awesome. [10:49] yay! HSBC fast balance finally available on android. [10:49] Nafallo: howdy [10:50] morning [10:50] SuperMatt: to be fair, i mainly use my macbook :P [10:50] but i'm still excited [10:56] I'm looking forward to the quantal alpha :D [10:57] For some reason, I enjoy living on the edge === imexil1 is now known as imexil [11:08] argh once signing into g+ chat, now i see g+ contacts in pidgin . anyone km [11:08] know how to fix? [11:10] i'm confused, why would you sign in to google+ chat if you didn't want to see the google+ contacts? [11:10] i wanted to start a hangout with my missis. now i get notifications everytime popey signs in [11:11] so remove your gtalk account from pidgin? [11:11] or disable notifications [11:11] or unfriend popey [11:11] i only want to see my gmail talk contacts rather than g+ contacts in my list [11:12] it does sound more like a feature than a bug [11:12] you can disable that in G+ [11:12] I found a heap of google chat things on my android client the other day, people have been inviting me to stuff since oggcamp and I never knew it was happening [11:13] "This email was sent to gordsemail@gmail.com because you indicated that you want to receive news regarding Google Analytics integration with other Google products. If you do not wish to receive such emails in the future, please unsubscribe here: {% optout analytics promotion %} " uh... [11:13] popey, ah yes, i just found the custom list [11:14] I don't really know how the android messenger thing ties in with the google plus desktop interface [11:14] i use g+ as a twitter replacement. however since i accidentally updated the g+ app on my tablet i'm not sure i want to anymore [11:14] it's hideous [11:14] it is dreadful now [11:14] forutnately my phone is pinned on the old version [11:15] i like it [11:15] i'd go as far to say that it's broken and doesn't work [11:16] i found it a bit crampt on my phones fairly small by modern standards resolution [11:16] small icons and pics in posts end up being massive and obliterate the text [11:16] it is kind of clever that they put the pictures behind the text and mostly it stays readable [11:21] you only get two things on screen really now [11:21] twitter gets about 5 tweets [11:21] it looks hideous on a tablet [11:22] the webpage still looks ok [11:22] irssi in screen gets about 25 lines of stuff [11:22] everything looks hideous on an android tablet ☺ [11:22] plus highlights and channel list [11:22] popey: well do hurry up with the ubuntu tablets then :) [11:23] roger roger [11:23] whats the vector victor? [11:23] what's the frequency Kenneth? [11:24] this bug made me switch to gnome classic.need to wait till weekend to actually raise the bug in launchpad though :( http://askubuntu.com/questions/129265/nx-session-window-icon-shrinks-and-is-non-responsive-but-remote-session-still-a [11:31] gord: mrevell: you both coming tomorrow? [11:37] lots of stuff to do, so doubtful unless i get i make a good dent in it all today [11:58] oimon: why do you have to wait til the weekend? [11:59] czajkowski, i'm running windows on my laptop to work on an issue all week and can't reboot into linux to give screenshots/steps to repeat [12:00] btw how was flossie [12:00] good thanks [12:18] pompom pom [12:35] note to self, don't eat dodgy fish burger+chips for lunch [13:11] * hamitron scratches head [13:13] gftp transfers at 22KB/s using ssh, scp transfers at 140KB/s [13:13] has anyone ever done a wee into a bottle while at the desk on a long conf call? [13:13] tempted right now [13:14] done it into an empty bottle of cider [13:14] but not what you say [13:14] ;) [13:14] i bought a £120k setup and getting 1mb/s read speed [13:15] was hoping for more like 500MB/s [13:15] over ssh? [13:15] no, direct attached [13:15] k :/ [13:15] running vmware on a blade [13:16] connected to SAN [13:16] something's broke but we don't know what [13:17] well, I've given up with vmware again [13:17] After guys, anyone know much about MariaDB, esepecially licensing ? [13:17] but that is only workstation [13:17] :) [13:18] oimon: Is it quicker on the host (rather than in the VM guest) [13:20] diplo: it is GPL and works like mysql [13:20] daubers, yes [13:21] It's just my colleagues in Nottingham believe there is an issue with MySQL and C++ licensing that prevents us using mysql [13:21] if i live boot from an iso , hdparm gives OK speeds [13:21] atm we are using SQLite but it doesn't suit, can't find any info whether it's exactly same license for mariadb for the c++ issues [13:21] maybe a multipathing driver issue in esxi [13:21] diplo: Install Postgres? [13:22] * daubers excessivley dislikes SANs [13:22] heh, that is the other option jpds, I just suggested MariaDB as it means no massive code changes [13:22] diplo: there might be problems with mysql as oracle are going to interpret grey areas to their advantage [13:22] http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/ [13:22] http://kb.askmonty.org/en/licensing-faq/ [13:22] Guessing it's related to this, the guys up north looked into it more than I have in the last 10 minutes [13:23] MySQL before 5.1.55 also had the same FLOSS exception for the C client libraries, but the exception file and all references to it were removed by Oracle in MySQL 5.1.55. [13:24] Hmm so it defo seems to be the client connection part [13:24] I *hate* licensing! [13:24] :) [13:26] OK, so still screwed with mariadb [13:29] Is there a way to clone an SD Card with dd but in a way that the output of the device is half the size of the actual card? For example my SD card is 512 MB but the content on there only actually fills 128MB, is there a way to clone the partitions but with a smaller cylinder size? [13:31] no [13:31] kvarley: is this for raspberry pi? [13:31] MartijnVdS: Yes [13:32] kvarley: then you can make the partitions on the "target" card yourself using fdisk or gparted (1x FAT, 1x EXT4, optional: 1x swap) [13:32] kvarley: then copy the contents over by mounting both ext4 partitions (source and target) and rsyncing everything over [13:32] I think === dgjones is now known as DJones [13:32] MartijnVdS: I wanted to clone my 512MB card to an image but resize of partition sizes within the image so that people could write the image to a 256 MB card [13:35] can't you create a blank image, copy the files to it, then write the boot sectors? [13:35] you'd need to format the blank image first too ofc [13:36] hamitron: Hadn't thought of that. That may just work, what tool do you recommend for writing boot sectors? Or would it work if I mounted the image as a loop and then used parted to make partitions? [13:36] dd [13:36] well, I'd use dd for copying the raw boot sector [13:37] hamitron: Gonna use dd to make a blank image then go from there. I'll let you know how I get on - thanks for the help =] [13:38] I just recall, been able to grab the first so many bytes from a drive using dd, but sure how many and if I'm even talking sense [13:38] ;) [13:38] google will know no doubt [13:39] ooh, reminds me, my 2nd raspberry pi is out for delivery [13:39] i should keep an ear out [13:39] so good you needed another one? [13:39] Everybody needs at least 2 Pis [13:39] One stable, one to mess with [13:39] 3rd should get here next week [13:39] not sure what i could actually use a pi for [13:39] kvarley, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ [13:39] popey: You got XBMC running on it yet? [13:40] yes [13:40] hamitron: Thanks [13:40] apart from maaaybe replacing my revos, but i'm in no hurry to do that [13:40] popey: It's surprisingly good [13:40] can't you just have 2 memory cards, to swap with 1 r-pi? [13:40] ;) [13:41] I've registered my interest for my first r-pi now \o/ [13:42] What are /dev/sdb /dev/sdc called? [13:42] they are files, representing drives [13:43] Wondered if they have a specific name so I can search for how to mount an unformatted img file as one [13:44] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/mounting-img-files-328503/ [13:47] kvarley: what are you trying to do? [13:48] make an sd card for a pi? [13:48] hamitron: Thanks, got it mounted now [13:48] popey: Making a bootable image for redistribution [13:48] hamitron: Had to format the .img file first "mkfs.msdos imagefile.img" [13:48] yep [13:49] kvarley: containing what? [13:49] popey: How well does xbmc run then? I was up to buy one to get it for media box for my boys room, but failed to order and thought i'd wait out to see what improvements came over the following months before i actually ordered [13:49] popey: A OpenELEC (XBMC) [13:49] ahh [13:50] is the MBR used on the SD card with the r-pi, like a "normal" PC uses it? [13:50] diplo: Menus still need a little tweaking. Can play 1080p x264 videos no problems tho. As the menus get fully rendered by the GPU it'll free up the CPU to run programs and add-ons in the background [13:50] diplo: For the price it makes a damn swish media centre [13:51] Cool, sold still then,,, mates turned up yesterday so going to try it out. [13:51] I'd love one for the boys and my room, have a revo in the front room with xbmc already [13:51] surely the revo will kick its butt? [13:51] Any recommendations on imgs to load for XBMC ? [13:51] hamitron: at what? [13:51] hamitron: No MBR, just a "start.elf" file in a partition which is marked with flags boot and lba [13:51] Yes, but that's in the front room and £150+, I want one for the two other rooms [13:51] diplo: I'm making one now [13:52] ah right, making some improvements ? [13:52] popey, poowwwwwwwwwwwwer ;) [13:52] pi is lower power :p [13:52] diplo: Oh, sorry thought you literally meant .img. I'm making a .img of OpenELEC. OpenELEC is a lightweight linux distro which specifically runs and targets the RPi - it's the best I've tried so far for running XBMC. [13:52] oh, energy wise yeh [13:53] ah, just read up about openelec, can't say I've seen it before [13:53] but comeon..... atom vs arm [13:53] for xbmc, all you need is enough power to play 1080p content [13:53] are you trolling? [13:53] hamitron: It's GPU based though mainly [13:53] what he said [13:53] you don't need lots of power, just enough [13:53] the new revos are stupid powerful though, the black ones have a geforce 210 variant in them [13:54] Will tell him to use OpenElec kvarley thanks, glad I ordered these monitors @ work with hdmi sockets :D [13:54] so the revo is more powerful, can do more things [13:54] is all I'm saying [13:54] :) [13:54] if you only want it to do one thing, no need [13:54] not trolling..... today [13:54] ;) [13:55] vdpau has broken on my precice xbmc install, so i had to drop it down to using software decoding, it actually only hits one core and gets smooth playback at 1080p... i'm mostly putting it down to the new nvidia drivers though, xrandr means xbmc can switch the refresh rate down to 24hz [13:56] Tried the XBMC official release gord ? Or you run normal precise and ppa ? [13:56] normal precice and ubuntu xbmc [13:56] its in the repos now [13:56] which is nice because it uses system installed ffmpeg, so i get 10bit decoding support in eden [13:56] oh right [13:57] Time to upgrade for me then! [13:57] I'm running Eden but on 9.04 or 9.10, can't remember [13:58] * hamitron is loving 12.04 [13:58] diplo: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/ [13:58] * popey falls over [13:58] kvarley: is that a tarball or what? [13:59] popey: tarballs on there at the moment [13:59] popey: Image coming when I get it done [13:59] k [13:59] popey: I can give you a shout when it's up if you want? [13:59] pro-tip, put it in your ubuntu one folder, and share it [13:59] then you get an ubuntu-one url rather than a manky mediafire one :D [13:59] is ubuntu one good then? [14:00] popey: Ok =] [14:00] better than those popup sites [14:00] I sorta removed the icon :/ [14:00] you can also use dropbox or whatever if you prefer ;) [14:01] with all these terms and conditions, it gets confusing [14:01] hamitron: U1 is perfect for me [14:01] tempted to just go back to basics [14:02] is it 5GB or 20GB storage? [14:02] U1 is good, but has problems with uploading lots of files at once (fix in progress I think) [14:02] hamitron: you can access U1 via the messages indicator [14:02] 5GB free, 20GB pay pay for [14:03] any uk'ers here get xbmcflix working in UK on XBMC? [14:04] U1 seems quite a bit slower than dropbox [14:04] bubu\a: Netflix on XBMC ? [14:04] yes [14:04] what happens if i hammer a free U1 account? [14:04] diplo, its called XBMCflix [14:05] Thought it was silverlight, so only way would be on a windows xbmc install [14:05] Not seen that [14:05] ali1234: then aquarius will have a sad face [14:05] yeah needs windows install [14:05] like by using it to host all the images on my 2M hits per hour blog, for example [14:05] only reason I switched from xbmc live to XBMC ontop of win7 [14:05] and there is no UK API for it :( [14:05] it probably explicitly crawls the us site [14:05] ali1234, depends on your definition of the word "hammer". At the moment, we do not restrict how many times a published file is downloaded. [14:06] aquarius: well, i defined it ^ [14:06] I do not believe that you have a blog which is hit two million times an hour. :) [14:06] haha [14:07] buuuurn [14:07] *youtube* only gets about 70 times that much :) [14:09] all these free services have turned me into a right tight git [14:10] begrudge paying anything these days ;) [14:10] lol === Idiot is now known as Guest53211 [14:16] hamitron, U1's pretty nice, although obviously I would say that. Paying for a service is, in my opinion, a good idea, because I read http://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/ and agreed with it, and it changed my view on how I use stuff (honestly unconnected with how I work on a service which I'd like people to pay for, although I can see why you wouldn't believe me on that :) [14:17] I believe in paying for a service, to get something decent and make it viable [14:17] but I also hate paying [14:17] so end up with nothing \o/ [14:17] Mac question: mate of mine has a macbook and wants to try Ubuntu. Should I suggest that he runs it on the metal with bootcamp, or in some sort of VM, and if so in which VM? He's an architect, so he'll be using OS X a lot -- this is not a one-step total-changeover migration, but I'd like him to try Ubuntu and see what he thinks, and he's interested in it aesthetically. [14:18] it won't run properly in a VM [14:18] gord will probably try to disagree but i don't care, unity needs better 3D support than VMs can provide [14:19] I'll second what ali1234 said [14:19] resizing windows just made it feel sluggish :/ [14:20] if only unity had a 2d mode? [14:20] OK. But will everything else run properly *not* in a VM? Historically, as I understand it, we've not had great support for Mac hardware, and he's not a technical guy -- if it doesn't suspend properly or doesn't work with his TV properly or the sound doesn't work sometimes then it'll turn him off, and I'd like to impress here if I can. [14:20] bubu\a: Didn't want to pay for a license so didnt go with windows ( Not got spare cash for win7 atm ) [14:20] i've got no idea, i don't use macs [14:20] So NetFlix don't get my cash [14:20] ali1234, neither do I, which is why I'm asking to see if anyone knows. :) [14:20] there was a nice bug where it bricked some macs because of efi [14:21] but that was fixed ages ago [14:22] tbh i'm not really sure why anyone who actually likes OS X would want to switch to ubuntu [14:22] Anyone recommend places that sell little units like these, want to compare some places [14:22] http://www.tranquilpcshop.co.uk/t2i-with-2nd-generation-intel-core-processor/ [14:23] ali1234, well; he's seen Ubuntu and likes how it looks, and he's interested in trying something new -- he's not a technical person, but he enjoys technology if you see what I mean. [14:23] well i can understand that, what with unity being largely copied from OS X [14:24] it just doesn't really compare favourably if you've used both [14:24] and he's got a strong aesthetic sense (architect, after all), so I want him to experience Ubuntu being beautiful -- because he's not technical, he's hardly heard of it at all, so he's not bringing all the baggage of "oh it's linux it doesn't work", "oh it's linux you have to compile your own kernel", and so on. I think this sort of person is just who we *want* to attract. [14:24] ali1234, that's what I want to test. If he uses Ubuntu and everything works perfectly and he still doesn't like it, then I shall say "fine, we're obviously not ready to go after that segment of the market". [14:25] why would you want to use linux if you don't want to compile your own kernel? [14:25] What I'd like to avoid is it *potentially* being great for him but him being let down because the sound doesn't work, or something equally annoying. [14:25] perhaps boot from an external hdd? [14:25] well the only way you will find that out is by trying it on his machine first before you let him use it [14:25] if the livecd works ofc [14:25] ali1234, because it's beautiful and it does everything you want from a computer and the upgrades are free. That's why I use it. [14:26] i thought you said you liked to pay for stuff? [14:27] that site aquarius linked said that didn't go for software, more for services [14:27] :) [14:27] If the seller *wants* money, sure. The Ubuntu community don't *have* a way to pay for Ubuntu, because that's not what they want. They get money from sale of services around Ubuntu, which I am happy to pay -- I buy music, I'd pay for U1 if I didn't get it for nothing, I buy things from the shop. [14:28] " If they won't do it, clone them and do it yourself. Soon you'll be the only game in town! " [14:28] hamitron, exactly. The point of services is that more users costs the operator more money. The point of software is that that doesn't apply; doubling the number of Ubuntu users does not, at least in theory, double your cost to make Ubuntu. [14:28] that's not actually true at all [14:28] I still think a software project is best to have some form of income somehow, to fund support and development [14:28] more users = more bug reports and support requests [14:28] services provided as part of Ubuntu I *do* pay for (or I would for those that I use if they weren't a company benefit). [14:29] especially if said users are completely non-technical [14:29] hamitron, yep, which is why I donate, and why I support what Bryan Lunduke's doing right now. [14:29] i stopped supporting family members windows computers for free. i just say "i dunno, i don't use windows" [14:29] tbh, I'd feel happier if I had to pay for ubuntu [14:29] if you make it so that they all want me to install ubuntu i will have to switch to *bsd [14:30] hehe [14:30] aquarius: You tried any of Bryans software ? [14:31] thing is it doesn't cost canonical anything to do this because they can just point to the support package but it costs the community who provide free support [14:31] hamitron, well, one good way to support Ubuntu is to become a paying user of Ubuntu One, of course. :) [14:31] diplo, I bought Linux Tycoon fairly recently. I haven't tried the development stuff (I'm happy with my own development environment :)) [14:31] I don't pay out for things, if others can get it for free [14:31] ;) [14:32] if I'm paying £10, others can too [14:32] others *do* too... not sure I'm understanding you? [14:32] heh, keep debate trying his DE, but haven't yet.. ought to get linux tycoon just to see what it's like and to support the guy, been watching there stuff for years [14:33] aquarius, I don't see why some should contribute, when others don't [14:33] and it just makes me feel "why bother?" [14:33] Ooh SpaceX Dragon due to depart tomorrow and splash down [14:33] hamitron, I am confused. No-one gets U1 for free (or everyone does, depending on your point of view). There's no them-and-us here? [14:34] Got me interested in space again [14:34] aquarius, I'm talking about ubuntu :) [14:34] hamitron, oh, right, gotcha. :) [14:35] popey: Got a working image [14:35] if I want a service, sure I'll pay for it. but not getting a service to subsidise free software, that many just use for free [14:35] popey: Need to try and make it smaller, I want it to fit on a 256 MB card. Currently I don't think it will [14:35] awesome! [14:36] Indeed [14:36] hamitron, oh, definitely. I certainly don't think that you should think of buying U1 just to subsidise Ubuntu development! Buy U1 because you like U1. :) [14:36] it seems counter productive to buy something i don't want in order to support something that i do want which is free [14:36] ali1234, exactly [14:36] I don't think anyone's suggesting that you do that, are they? If I'm being misread as advocating that, then I'll rephrase. :) [14:36] that goes for t-shirts, hats, and over priced memory sticks too [14:37] popey, do you have thoughts on the macbook Ubuntu-in-vm-versus-baremetal question? I know you've had some experience here :) [14:37] ali1234, I agree. What I bought from the canonical shop was notebooks, because I needed notebooks and I think our ones are really nice. :) [14:38] aquarius: ask gmb [14:38] i no longer have a MBP [14:38] popey, aha, wisdom -- yeah, I know you moved away, just wondering what your previous thoughts were :) [14:38] gmb, ping! [14:38] * hamitron congrats popey [14:38] i still love the mbp, but only when it's running osx [14:39] my thoughts where i was never truly happy about it on the bare metal [14:39] * hamitron withdraws his actions [14:39] skippy touchpad, crappy nvidia, poor battery life [14:39] they do look nice though [14:39] there's a lot to like [14:40] popey, k, that's my worry, indeed. Suggestions above are that Ubuntu doesn't work right in a VM either, so the implication here is that you're just shit out of luck if you've got an MBP and want to try Ubuntu, which rather scuppers my plan [14:40] your plan? [14:41] popey, Mac question: mate of mine has a macbook and wants to try Ubuntu. Should I suggest that he runs it on the metal with bootcamp, or in some sort of VM, and if so in which VM? He's an architect, so he'll be using OS X a lot -- this is not a one-step total-changeover migration, but I'd like him to try Ubuntu and see what he thinks, and he's interested in it aesthetically. [14:41] its fine in a vm [14:41] virtualbox [14:41] unity doesn't work in current virtualbox, you get unity-2d instead [14:42] it does work in virtualbox [14:42] ali1234: it does if you enable the 3d [14:42]