[05:46] <inetpro> good morning
[05:47] <mazal> Good morning inetpro 
[06:35] <mazal> I don't suppose anybody can help us with Novell client , Zenworks for Desktops and ConsoleOne for Win 7 ?
[07:06] <charlvn> morning all
[07:06] <charlvn> mazal: that would be pretty far off topic for a linux channel :)
[07:06] <charlvn> and besides, novell client? zenworks?
[07:07] <charlvn> that's all completely windows
[07:11] <mazal> Charlvn: I know , that was purely out of desperation of having to struggle with the junk and hoping someone maybe could have helped. If it was my choice it would have gone out the door very quickly
[07:14] <charlvn> mazal: np i know the feeling
[07:15] <mazal> I am not allowed to say why I am forced , but I think you can draw your own conclusions being this time of day and all :P
[07:17] <Kerbero> interesting
[07:17] <Kerbero> i know a lot of people dropped novel for windows domains/AD
[07:18] <superfly> even though the Novell solution was technically superior (from what I've heard)
[07:19] <Kerbero> yeah
[07:19] <Kerbero> i can't say
[07:19] <Kerbero> just heard it was easier to use
[07:19] <Kerbero> and more stable
[07:19] <mazal> Before Suse came yes
[07:20] <mazal> Novell 5 had great stability
[07:20] <mazal> But from 9 upwards , a nightmare
[07:21] <mazal> But anyway , wasn't my intention to start and off-topic thing. Just in need of those software and hoped someone have it
[07:32]  * Kerbero can only point mazal to websites named after a cove where immoral thieves put their ships
[08:31] <inetpro> Maaz: superfly++
[08:39] <superfly> ?
[08:53] <inetpro> superfly: for talking a lot of sense :-)
[09:16] <Squirm> hello
[09:16]  * Squirm sighs
[09:16] <Squirm> I set up a transparent proxy with squid
[09:16] <Squirm> in the false hope it'd limit skype users
[09:16] <Squirm> but I never thought to think that it only monitors http traffic :/
[09:20] <charlvn> lol
[09:20] <charlvn> skype is a master at getting around firewalls but i'm sure with some careful filtering you could block it using iptables ?
[09:22] <Kerbero> i doubt it
[09:22] <Kerbero> skype tunnels over http too
[09:23] <Squirm> that's the thing. I don't want to block it. I want to cap the users
[09:23] <charlvn> oh yeah, so you have to do deep packet inspection (or whatever the buzzword for that is)
[09:23] <Kerbero> i havn't had it myself yet, but it heard it can relay via someone else on your network with internet access
[09:23] <Squirm> so, limit their use
[09:23] <charlvn> limit their use?
[09:23] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:23] <Squirm> they each have a defined IP
[09:24] <Kerbero> your proxy method might work then yes
[09:24] <Squirm> charlvn: cap them. so each user gets say 50mb a day to use how they please
[09:24] <charlvn> ok
[09:24] <Kerbero> but then you'll need to block all other access to the internet
[09:24] <Kerbero> skype via a proxy is not that nice though
[09:25] <Squirm> it works, but I'm yet to see that setting on an Android/iPad
[09:25] <Squirm> ok
[09:25] <Squirm> I'm going to paste
[09:25] <charlvn> pastebin please :)
[09:25] <Squirm> not that many lines
[09:25] <Squirm> it's just previous chat
[09:25] <charlvn> ok *holds breath*
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. basically everything runs through a squid proxy with user authentication
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. we have a little perl script called squish which then browses the access.log and caps the user when they reach their quota
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. but unfortunately devics like iPads don't seem to be able to authenticate. so we've set up a transparent proxy
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. squish is working
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. but we want the users to be able to use apps like Skype, except we want to cap them
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. cap them by IP address
[09:26] <Squirm> .:mdm:. Sounds like you need to do it at a lower level
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. (because we don't authenticate with a transparent proxy, we have each user assigned an IP address)
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. and squish then caps by IP rather than authentication
[09:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. but Skype, alas. bypasses Squid alltogether
[09:26] <Squirm> .:mdm:. Yeah you probably need IP-level filtering/limiting
[09:26] <Squirm> .:mdm:. I assume that's what ISPs do
[09:26] <Squirm> ok, it was a few
[09:26] <Squirm> :P
[09:26]  * Squirm hides
[09:27] <Kerbero> mdm is correct
[09:27] <charlvn> yup
[09:28] <Kerbero> i would just do something with a mikrotik router as gateway
[09:28] <Squirm> hmm
[09:28] <Kerbero> something like a RB750
[09:28] <Squirm> well, I have a linux box as the gateway
[09:28] <Kerbero> cheap and powerfull
[09:28] <Kerbero> ok
[09:28] <charlvn> you should be able to do it with linux yeah
[09:28] <Squirm> and we have a Mikrotik with 2 ethernet ports
[09:28] <Kerbero> iptables should be able to do it too
[09:28] <charlvn> i build a system like this some time ago using iptables
[09:29] <charlvn> yeah exactly
[09:29] <Squirm> I know it's easy to limit speed with IPtables
[09:29] <Squirm> but cap?
[09:29] <charlvn> iptables does some bandwidth accounting but i don't know how accurate it is
[09:29] <charlvn> afaik it's the -vv option or something like that
[09:29] <Kerbero> ...flows... something
[09:30] <Kerbero> Squirm, just cap by adding a reject firewall rule for that ip
[09:30] <Kerbero> or drop
[09:30] <charlvn> yeah it's the -v verbose option
[09:31] <charlvn> check it periodically, if it goes past your limit, just move the person to deny
[09:31] <charlvn> the ip i mean
[09:31] <Kerbero> Squirm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetFlow is generally used for accounting i heard
[09:31] <charlvn> important thing to remember is that you might need to do uploads and downloads separately
[09:31] <Kerbero> but charlvn's method seems easier
[09:32] <charlvn> never tried it but looks interesting http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipt-netflow/
[09:32] <charlvn> iptables module
[09:32] <charlvn> i built a custom linux-based hotspot / internet cafe thing a long time ago
[09:34] <charlvn> used something like iptables -vx
[09:51] <Reenen> hi all
[09:52] <Reenen> I'm on Vodacom with nightowl and just installed Ubuntu, and before the end of the month comes, I have 3gb worth of data that I can use on updates and package installations... How do I set a cron job to install wine and wine-tricks?
[09:53] <charlvn> Reenen: if it's a once-off thing, it might be better to just run a script with a long sleep ?
[09:54] <Reenen> for now
[09:54] <Reenen> but I wouldn't mind setting my updates to also just happen between 00:00 and 05:00
[09:54] <charlvn> otherwise just use crontab and add a job that runs at midnight (for example) with apt-get install wine wine-tricks
[09:54]  * Reenen is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[09:54] <charlvn> for updates you need apt-get upgrade -y
[09:55] <Reenen> I am newb
[09:55] <charlvn> and for installing you need apt-get install -y [list of packages]
[09:55] <Reenen> thanks!
[09:56] <charlvn> also a handy reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron
[09:56] <charlvn> i would also add the -q switch to apt-get
[09:56] <Reenen> how would I do it with a script
[09:56] <charlvn> from the man page: "Quiet; produces output suitable for logging, omitting progress indicators."
[09:56] <charlvn> and then pipe all the output to a file so that you can review it later
[09:56] <charlvn> you mean crontab triggering your own script?
[09:57] <Reenen> I have never set a cronjob
[09:57] <Reenen> or created a script to execute at a said time
[09:58] <charlvn> np, my best suggestion would be to start by practising writing basic shell scripts and running some test cron jobs
[09:59] <charlvn> what you also could take a look at: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/redirecting-stderr-to-stdout/
[10:00] <charlvn> so in the shell script itself, i would do this: apt-get upgrade -yq &> /tmp/aptlog
[10:00] <charlvn> and remember to run this as root
[10:00] <charlvn> so you will need to have this in the root user's crontab
[10:01] <charlvn> there's an example of that on the ubuntu help page: sudo crontab -e
[11:39] <mazal> exit
[11:39] <mazal> ag , lol
[11:40] <mazal> It's not the terminal you clown hehehehe
[11:40] <mazal> Bye all
[13:05] <Reenen> lol@mazal earlier
[13:06] <Kilos> afternoon superfly nuvolari and all others
[13:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:07] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[13:09] <inetpro> wb Kilos 
[13:09] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[13:09] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[13:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[13:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:12] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:13] <Kilos> hehe inetpro  stretched data too well, got 5m gonna expire tomorrow
[13:14] <superfly> hi Kilos
[13:17] <inetpro> yikes!
[13:17] <Kilos> lol
[13:18] <inetpro> Kilos: that will only expire at midnight tomorrow
[13:18] <Kilos> good ty
[13:18] <Kilos> so i can be online full time till then
[13:19] <Reenen> how can I run sudo in a script, so it doesn't need a password?
[13:20] <Reenen> ... or schedule my script with as root?
[13:20] <Reenen> i want to run sudo apt-get install -yq wine wine-tricks
[13:20] <Reenen> but do it at 00:05 tonight
[13:21] <Kilos> why only then Reenen 
[13:21] <Reenen> night owl data
[13:21] <Kilos> lol
[13:21] <Reenen> and it's the last night of this month
[13:21] <Reenen> :D
[13:21] <Kilos> no tomorrow night
[13:21] <Reenen> tomorrow night is technically the 1st
[13:22] <Reenen> so I am unsure how vodacom's calc's regarding night owl works
[13:22] <Kilos> oh ya after midnight yes
[13:22] <Kilos> sorry
[13:22] <Reenen> is there even a root user on a default ubuntu install?
[13:23] <tumbleweed> yes
[13:23] <Reenen> how do I log in as him?
[13:23] <tumbleweed> you shouldn't
[13:24] <Reenen> well, how do I schedule my install if I can't?
[13:24] <tumbleweed> sudo at 00:05
[13:25] <tumbleweed> (at is pretty cool)
[13:25] <Reenen> yeah, but then... I have to be awake
[13:25] <Reenen> oh
[13:25] <Reenen> that is a command?!
[13:25] <tumbleweed> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_%28Unix%29
[13:26] <Reenen> can I do "sudo at 00:00 apt-get install -yq wine winetricks"
[13:26] <Reenen> type my password and it's all done?
[13:26] <Reenen> no cronjobs etc. required?
[13:26] <tumbleweed> you don't provide the command on the at command line
[13:26] <tumbleweed> you do "sudo at 00:00"
[13:26] <tumbleweed> then type "apt-get install -yq wine winetricks"
[13:26] <tumbleweed> ctrl-d
[13:26] <tumbleweed> and you're done
[13:27] <Reenen> thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
[13:27] <Reenen> :D
[13:27] <charlvn> oh yeah i forgot about that
[13:27] <charlvn> nice one tumbleweed 
[13:28]  * Reenen copies and pastes that in an email to himself to get it right tonight
[13:28] <charlvn> the at command
[13:28] <Reenen> when will it ask for PW?
[13:29] <charlvn> Reenen: for future reference, if you want to run a cron job as root, just schedule the cron job as the root user
[13:29] <charlvn> afaik if you do sudo crontab -e then it will open up the root crontab
[13:29] <charlvn> Reenen: yes but immediately when you run the command, not later when the commands you schedule using at will run
[13:30] <Reenen> ie. just after ctrl-D
[13:30] <Reenen> ?
[13:30] <charlvn> no immediately after typing sudo at 00:00 or whatever
[13:30] <Reenen> or just after sudo at 00:05
[13:30] <Reenen> cool
[13:30]  * Reenen is happy
[13:30] <charlvn> first it will run sudo then it will run the at command
[13:31] <Reenen> should find some other packages to install onto my PC
[13:31] <charlvn> so immediately when you execute that it will ask for the password (if it needs it)
[13:31] <Reenen> I have 3g
[13:31] <Reenen> 3gb
[13:31] <charlvn> you can download a fair bit for that
[13:31] <charlvn> however be careful in how the bandwidth is being metered
[13:32] <charlvn> what will happen when you go over your 3GB?
[13:32] <charlvn> you need to take things like protocol overhead etc into account
[13:36] <tumbleweed> btw, if you want to schedule package downloads, I recommend rather doing apt-get -dy.
[13:36] <tumbleweed> then it'll download by itself, but won't install
[13:36] <tumbleweed> less chance of things going horribly wrong :)
[13:44] <Reenen> thnks will do
[13:53] <Reenen> apt-get -dy no install part?
[13:53] <Reenen> right?
[13:53] <Reenen> just apt-get -dy wine wine-tricks
[13:54] <Reenen> charlvn: well I pay R2/mb if I go over that
[13:54] <Reenen> I still have about 10mb left for the month on the non night owl stuff
[13:54] <Reenen> how much will ubuntu chow just by being on line for about 3h (lets say I go to bed at 21:00)
[13:55] <Kilos> with nothing open Reenen ?
[13:55] <Reenen> yeah
[13:55] <Reenen> just terminal open
[13:55] <Kilos> 10 or 20kB
[13:55] <Reenen> and system monitor
[13:56] <Reenen> good
[13:56] <Kilos> i dunno if the monitor looks online then it could be a bit more
[13:58] <Reenen> kk cheers all
[14:01] <tumbleweed> Maaz: tell reenan yes, you do need install
[14:01] <Maaz> tumbleweed: I don't know who reenan is. Say 'reenan on freenode' and I'll take your word that reenan exists
[14:01] <tumbleweed> Maaz: tell Reenen yes, you do need install
[14:01] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Okay, I'll tell Reenen on freenode
[15:27] <mazal> Evening all
[15:28] <mazal> I have a really strange problem
[15:28] <mazal> I did updates (didn't see everything that got updated) , now my system-monitor indicator on the top panel suddenly started flashing
[15:29] <mazal> The whole thing is flashing in a gone-there-gone-there-gone-there cycle
[16:03] <Kilos> yo maz
[16:03] <Kilos> oh my
[16:11] <lost_> hello
[16:11] <lost_> :)
[16:31] <Kilos> oh my he really is lost
[16:31] <Kilos> i been away from pc
[16:46] <charlvn> lol
[17:29] <Kilos> evening smile4linux 
[17:29] <smile4linux> hallo Kilos :)
[17:30] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[17:30] <Kilos> lo queery all well?
[17:31] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:31] <psydroid> hoi smile4linux
[17:31] <smile4linux> hallo psydroid :)
[17:32] <psydroid> ek ben nou aan die avoneten bezig :D
[17:32] <smile4linux> aandete! :p
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <smile4linux> ;)
[17:32] <smile4linux> ^^
[17:32] <smile4linux> psydroid: jy het 'n fout gemaak :o
[17:33]  * psydroid apologises for butchering afrikaans, but that's the only way to learn to speak it
[17:33] <smile4linux> psydroid: ja :)
[17:33] <psydroid> smile4linux, my leef es een groote fout :(
[17:33] <Kilos> ek is besig met aand ete  of ek eet gou aand ete
[17:34] <smile4linux> Kilos: sal jy aand ete maak? :p
[17:34] <Kilos> moenie verstik nie
[17:34] <Kilos> ek het klaar geeet dankie
[17:34] <Kilos> maar ek sal koffie bestel
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[17:35] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:35] <smile4linux> Kilos: plesier xD
[17:35] <smile4linux> ek het 'n artikel geskryf :) in afrikaans ^^
[17:35] <smile4linux> ek het 1 fout gemaak :p
[17:36] <Kilos> wie het dit gelees smile4linux 
[17:37] <smile4linux> af.wikipedia.org , Kilos 
[17:37] <Kilos> hmm jy raak slim nê
[17:37] <smile4linux> Kilos: http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middelburg,_Belgi%C3%AB
[17:38] <Kilos> kan jy dit vir my epos smile4linux as dit nie prentjies in het nie
[17:38] <queery> Hi oom Kilos
[17:38] <queery> all are well
[17:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:39] <queery> damn missed the kettle
[17:39] <smile4linux> Kilos: @ jou epos? :)
[17:41] <smile4linux> "Middelburg is 'n nedersetting in die munisipaliteit Maldegem van die Nederlandssprekende Belgiese provinsie Oos-Vlaandere. Middelburg lê in die noordweste van die provinsie, in Meetjesland, teen Nederland. Die dorp het die hoogste poskode van België." :)
[18:02] <Kilos> smile4linux, epos=email
[18:02] <smile4linux> Kilos: ek weet :p
[18:03] <smile4linux> maar ek het jou epos nie :o
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <smile4linux> maar jy kan daardie tekst lees ;)
[18:03] <Kilos> msdomdonner@gmail.com
[18:05] <Kilos> ja dit lyk goed. maar ons moenie baie lyne hier pos nie, die werkende mense sdis spam
[18:05] <Kilos> teks in afr ek dink
[18:05] <inetpro> goeie aand
[18:06] <Kilos> naand inetpro gaan dit goed boetie
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: ek sukkel so bietjie maar ek's oraait
[18:07] <Kilos> sukkel met wat inetpro 
[18:07] <Kilos> ?
[18:07] <inetpro> my bromponie se battery het vandag gevrek
[18:07] <inetpro> gelukkig het hy 'n skop dingetjie
[18:08] <Kilos> eish
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: daardie ding van jou vir die broeimasjien, ek kan dit mos net eenvoudig gebruik om die battery te herlaai?
[18:09] <Kilos> dis vrek koud hierdie tyd van die jaar op n bike
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: sal dit werk?
[18:09] <Kilos> ja jy kan
[18:09] <charlvn> konbanwa misan
[18:09] <charlvn> genki des ka?
[18:09] <Kilos> dit was gemaak as n laaier anyway
[18:09] <inetpro> mooi!
[18:09] <Kilos> kyk net die voltage
[18:10] <inetpro> 12V
[18:10] <inetpro> moet ek iets stel
[18:10] <inetpro> ?
[18:10] <Kilos> dit moet 14v wees om doed te laai
[18:10] <charlvn> ok apparently nobody here speaks japanese... at least one language that is not spoken in #ubuntu-za
[18:10] <charlvn> :)
[18:10] <inetpro> doed?
[18:10] <Kilos> ek kan nie onthou nie wat het ek als aangevang met als waarmee ek gespeel het
[18:11] <smile4linux> Kilos: dankie! ek sal jou epos toevoeg aan my kontakte :p
[18:11] <Kilos> koko nie hon ga arimasu ka
[18:11] <Kilos> ok smile4linux 
[18:11] <smile4linux> done :)
[18:11] <Kilos> charlvn, ^^
[18:12] <Kilos> smile4linux, net nie kiekies stuur nie asb. net teks
[18:12] <smile4linux> ok
[18:13] <charlvn> nice Kilos 
[18:15] <smile4linux> Kilos: wat doen jy?
[18:16] <Kilos> amper niks smile4linux ek is brein dood na n ongeluk
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe
[18:16] <Kilos> en baie oud amper
[18:17] <smile4linux> Kilos: jy het 'n ongeluk gehad?
[18:18] <Kilos> lol ja n windpomp het my kop oop gebars
[18:20] <Kerbero> dit klink soos 'n nederlandse/afrikaanse gesegde
[18:20] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:20] <Kerbero> :|
[18:21] <Kilos> you well Kerbero ?
[18:21] <Kerbero> ja
[18:35] <smile4linux> bye! :)
[18:36] <smile4linux> Kilos: bye for you, without smiley
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <nuvolari> o/
[18:59] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[18:59]  * nuvolari is so tired
[18:59] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[18:59] <nuvolari> need coffee
[18:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: kettle on
[18:59] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:59] <Kilos> goto bed lad
[18:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[18:59] <Maaz> nuvolari: There isn't a pot on
[18:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: help coffee
[18:59] <Maaz> nuvolari: Times coffee brewing and reserves cups for people. You can use it like this:
[18:59] <Maaz>   coffee (on|please)
[18:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:59] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[18:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[18:59]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:00] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[19:00] <Maaz> nuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[19:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:00] <nuvolari> Maaz: I beg to differ
[19:00] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:00] <nuvolari> how are you oom Kilos?
[19:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[19:00] <Kilos> well ty nuvolari and you?
[19:00] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[19:00] <Maaz> nuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[19:00] <nuvolari> or do i only need to ask once?
[19:00] <nuvolari> oh
[19:00] <nuvolari> I'm good thank you oom :)
[19:01] <nuvolari> I'm in an unstable state
[19:01] <Kilos> yeah coffee on and he already makes for you
[19:01] <Kilos> hehe
[19:01] <nuvolari> my eyes not feeling to bright
[19:01] <nuvolari> *too
[19:01] <Kilos> unstable?
[19:01] <Kilos> from what?
[19:01] <nuvolari> nie klop-disselboom nie oom
[19:01] <nuvolari> I dunno
[19:01] <nuvolari> spanning
[19:01] <Kilos> eish
[19:01] <nuvolari> my nek is al vir die afgelope 2 dae stywerig :(
[19:03] <Kilos> jy doen iets verkeerd
[19:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari and Kilos!
[19:03] <Kilos> te veel een hand op die muis terwyl jy skeef sit
[19:04] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:04] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:04] <nuvolari> thanks Maaz 
[19:04] <nuvolari> Kilos: ja ek dink so oom
[19:04] <nuvolari> my postuur is nie reg nie
[19:04] <nuvolari> ek wil daardie "standing desk" ding probeer
[19:04] <Kilos> sit n plank op jou kniee en werk die muis daarop
[19:05] <nuvolari> so you basically stand at a desk and work
[19:05] <Kilos> eish
[19:05] <nuvolari> I dunno if anyone around here tried it before
[19:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: from what I've read it's pretty healthy
[19:05] <Kilos> thats why we invented chairs so we dont have to stand
[19:05] <nuvolari> compared to sitting all day
[19:07] <Kilos> hi Devo 
[19:07] <Kilos> who you?
[19:07] <nuvolari> oh hi Devo 
[19:08]  * nuvolari didn't see Devo sneaking in
[19:08] <nuvolari> and keeping really quiet
[19:08] <Kilos> whois Devo  nuvolari 
[19:08] <Kilos> i been missing too much
[19:12] <nuvolari> Kilos: I dunno who it is?
[19:13] <Kilos> i go ged inna warm bed now. sleep tight all
[19:13] <Kilos> *get
[19:15] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos !
[19:15] <nuvolari> lekker slaap :)
[19:15] <Kilos> jy ook dankie